i know i’m starting to sound like an AKP stan/broken record but i’m gonna tip this.
i like seeing JYJ news on the front page
Turkish fans are so cool
i hope we have turkish lurkers
¡EXCELLENT! I FEEL VERY PROUD OF MY BOYS JAEJOONG, MICKY AND JUNSU.
But I have to ask; ¿Why Cassiopea? Cassiopeas are TVXQ fans. JYJ is an independent group. Please, no more cassies around JYJ. I like better ex-cassies.
We “Turkish” fans still dont want to change the name Cassiopeia because we think that we wont wanna change the name just because some stupido at SM told us to. JYJ is from TVXQ, Cassiopeia is for 5 stars.. thats what we think on this moment.. Will it change? Maybe.. But when? I dont know..
Maybe JYJ can’t use the name officially but Cassiopeia are still their fans and they see it like that… The difference between TVXQ/JYJ fans and other artists fans is this.. They don’t love them for just a period, for just an album/song etc. Once they love them they love each song they sang in past & future.. they support them in every project they are in; be it a drama or musical or a football team.. These are the true fans who supported them for years and they won’t be changing their name because of a company because they are the same people and they want to show JYJ that they are the same people and they support them wherever they go, which way they choose… If you are a new fan who don’t wanna be a cassie you are welcomed but it is not possible for an already cassie to change position.. JYJ supports cassies too… They made a song called W, no? JJ wrote star star star star star (별별별별별)to his twitter.. He still calls his fans stars, and tells that they shine.. These are other things that encourage us to use that name.. Maybe JYJ is not allowed but we’ll show them that the Cassiopeia is with them.
Well girls, it seems like your heart is with JYJ. I don’t dislike cassies; it’s only that I always relate cassies with JYJ being mistreated. Not all the cassies are like you. And the actual situation is very different than the past one. Lets wait and see…….
And I respectfully ask you not to scold me for my comment. It wasn’t disrespectful in any way. You don’t know me, so please don’t dare to judge if I’m or I’m not a trustful and loyal JYJ’s fan. If I live on the other side of the world, it doesn’t mean that my feelings are different from the other fans who live next to them. And I have the right to be respected, just like you.
NOBODY better disrespect Shuheilove while I’M around!!
I’m also wary of Cassies… The reasons are clear to all who have been paying attention. They’ve been a bit too eager to sweep the real issues of the lawsuit under the rug and beg for The Five to reunite so they can continue their visual worship unimpeded.
I’m not saying ALL Cassies. But enough of them to make me a little put off and cautious.
@Lilibaiyu, thanks for your support. What you’ve stated is exactly what I’m awared of and what I fear about cassies. Always hiding something under the desk, waiting for the right moment to attack. But, as you said, NOT ALL THE CASSIES.
@Shuheilove Your comment is so ridiculous that I cant believe I talk about it. JYJ is alive now thanks to Cassiopeia if JYJ didnt quit the business it’s for the sake of Cassiopeia. JYJ is not an independent group. “JYJ from TVXQ” does it ring any bells??? All the Cassiopeia has the purest and deepest love and care for these 3 people and a few corrupted thoughts of a few people doesn’t change what Cassiopeia is. I dont think you know Cassiopeia at all. By the way TVXQ’s work is JYJ’s 95% work so far. So if you dont like TVXQ I dont think you like JYJ.
Well miss W, don’t get tough in here. I don’t know why you “Cassiopeas” think you’re the only ones who have the right to be fans of JYJ. ¿Who said that? ¡NOBODY! ¿Who said I don’t like TVXQ? ¡NOBODY! What I don’t like is foolish and naive girls like you who think that they know everything. You, girl appeared from nowhere, you don’t have the right to say whom I like or whom I don’t like because you don’t know what I’m thinking or whom I love. ¿Corrupted people? ¿Are you daring, young girl, to say that I’m corrupted? Oh, girl. You have a very long tongue. Better watch your step before your dumb feet step over your serpent tongue and make you fall off your world of fantasies. ¡YOU NEED TO LEARN TO RESPECT YOUR OLDER AND WISER ONES!
W girl, I forgot. Don’t be so arrogant. ¿”JYJ IS ALIVE NOW THANKS TO CASSIOPEAS”? ¿So, that means they don’t have any merits, any talents at all? ¿All they’ve achieved is thanks to cassiopeas? ¿You think they’re going to come running towards you to wash your mighty feet as a sign of gratitude for saving them? ¡YOU SERIOUSLY ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND! You’re the one who is not a truly JYJ fan. You are only following them until they pay what they owe you for your “salvaging” services.
@shuheilove You are sooo weird you are the one that comes between cassies and telling they shouldnt love JYJ even though the were the ones who love that 3 boys and saying we don’t know anything and don’t have the right to judge you? baby you came with your illogical assumptions and judges us in the first place even though you don’t know us at all. How old can you be to think you are older and wiser than me? Haha I am old and smart enough to dicriminate right and wrong. JYJ owe Cassies ok? You should accept that… but that doesn’t mean they didn’t earn their love by their great talents and warm hearts. Go and ask about cassiopeia to JYJ. You’ll get your ass kicked by them if they heard your words and no I am not being delusional I know them long enough to know that they care about cassies dearly and much more than anyone. If you liked them you wouldn’t try to shoo away their loved ones… what? are you being jealous? Cassies love and support JYJ maybe even more than you period. So you can’t talk about cassies as if they were some delusional girls who don’t know about JYJ but supporting them out of habit. That is really silly to think… and you are angry because I thought you don’t like TVXQ? If you like TVXQ why don’t you like their fans? wouldn’t it be silly… JYJ and TVXQ are not different at all.. If you can’t deal with their past go away seriously. I hate people like you who thinks they are being smart by critisizing and being doubtful of everything. The things I told about JYJ and cassiopiea are not my assumptions. They are simply the truth. Cassies would not want JYJ to do anything special other than being themselves but you think with your all rotten mind that their old fans don’t mean anything.. Cassies are Cassies because they LOVE JYJ. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be cassies. It is not something decided by other one or they do for earning money or sth. They are going to continue to be Cassies and be around JYJ forever. I hope you are disgusted enough to leave the planet know..
@W -
” So you can’t talk about cassies as if they were some delusional girls who don’t know about JYJ but supporting them out of habit. That is really silly to think…”
OK, ladies, I think it’s really time to tone it down a couple of notches. We are reasonable people here and reasonable people may differ in their opinions in a civilized manner.
W – I think it is a bit much to show up on a List and start firing salvos across the bow. We have had that happen fairly often and it is invariably the work of Homin trolls. I think you need to do some basic research on the unpleasant history of many, many Cassies who want “All Five Or Nothing” and who have sided with Homin and SM to defame, disparage and discredit JYJ in ways too numerous to mention. Check out the WordPress blog “JYJFiles”, “JYJ3″ and “SYC” for example after example of this deplorable behavior.
This is why many of us, NOT ALL OF US, are wary of people who still call themselves Cassies. The very name itself refers to a FIVE star constellation. There is a large contingent of Cassies that you should be aware of who are actively against the idea of JYJ continuing on with their careers as a 3 man group. Maybe there are NONE in Turkey, but there are lots of them everywhere else.
This is a fact and no amount of flowery sentiments on your part about “loving them all” can change that.
Please notice that I was not referring to you when I was explaining a little of our above history and experience. I am perfectly willing to believe, in fact, that you are NOT one of these “Five Or Nothing” Cassies. But they are out there and they have been making trouble every which way for months on end and it’s been rough on everyone, most especially JYJ, to see these supposed fans working so actively to halt their activities while still calling themselves Cassies. Again, please note: I am not generalizing, I am not saying ALL Cassies.
But certainly enough of them to make some, not all, of us distrust the name and, frankly wish for another way to describe a fandom that embraces The Three and their goals and abilities going forward.
That’s about it. No offense of a personal nature intended, of course.
@Lilibaiyu Cassiopeia are the people who supports those five people together or as individuals and they wouldn’t become a drawback or try to block their way, pushing them into something that members wouldn’t want. Cassiopeia should be the ones that supports them dearly. The people you are talking about whom call themselves cassies may be doing wrong but their wrongdoings don’t change what cassiopeia is. When you see that people kindly remind what Cassiopeia is and please dont assume the worst when you see a cassie around. I am sure most of them still cares about JYJ just as any sole JYJ fans but they are not aggressive people who would fight over something on the blogs. So, what you saw is a minority of cassies. Seeing JYJ fans talk about cassies that way hurt my feelings because I was thinking we cared about the same people but they didn’t like me which supported JYJ even before them… That doesn’t sound right at all… Please don’t speak about cassies that way again.. The real cassies are JYJ’s friends and they should be yours too.. The major groups that support JYJ such as DCTVXQ, DNBN, Ikadong etc. are made up of Cassies.. It is really wrong a JYJ fan to attack Cassiopeia… please keep your fights personal with the people you are talking about..
@ Rose –
“@Lilibaiyu Cassiopeia are the people who supports those five people together or as individuals and they wouldn’t become a drawback or try to block their way, pushing them into something that members wouldn’t want. Cassiopeia should be the ones that supports them dearly.”
Oh, yes, agreed. That is what Cassies “should” do. What I’m trying to respectfully express to you and ‘W’ is that there have been any number of cases here on JYJ3, JYJFiles, etc. etc. where something quite different has been occurring,something quite malicious and downright rude, by people calling themselves “Cassies” – people who now support YH&CM only, for instance. I would suggest to you also that you do some research into this at the various sites because it’s not good, happy, positive behavior.
Further, there are people who have been here a long while who have been, to put it politely, greatly dismayed at YH&CM’s statements and behavior in their various efforts to lend their support to the positions of SM, who continue to thwart in every way they can JYJ’s ability to conduct their business in Korea and Japan.
So there again, it is incorrect to come here and say that you as a Cassie “support all 5 unconditionally.” This is the wrong place to be, in that case. JYJ3 is a place for the fans of JYJ.
Speaking for myself alone now, I am no longer a fan of YH&CM after the way they have publicly maligned JYJ in various interviews they have given recently. I can not imagine supporting them ever again in any way, in fact, after what they did.
So again, a Cassie who “loves and supports all 5″ is someone I inherently can not understand; it’s a cause for dissension. I believe there are more than a few here who share this view.
So perhaps you could consider this point of view along with your own. I’m not trying to convince you to change yours, I’m just suggesting that these are the areas where conflict amongst us may be inevitable on JYJ3.
@Lilibaiyu I do understand your reasons.. I supported all 5 of them and I believe Homin is in wrong now and yes I don’t support them or their decisions and I am here because I want to keep myself fresh with JYJ.. I don’t think it is possible for a cassie to support them the way they do in the past.. It is just in my opinion if they were once a cassie.. even if they love one of the members now it is good for them to keep their name because I feel JYJ would like to know Cassies are with them. I believe that’s why they still use the name stars for them and actually they will always see themselves as TVXQ too so that’s why cassies can be JYJ fans too.. I am a cassie even if I don’t support what Homin do now because yes I loved the 5 member group and I still love it. But I didn’t leave Homin and I am still waiting for them.. I am sure they have their reasons but whenever they do something against JYJ I treat them as my opponent… but that doesn’t last when my anger calm down because I really loved them in the past.. being angry, disappointed, frustrated don’t make me forget them. I just want you to know that cassies you are talking about a sub-group of cassies not what a cassie is.. Just don’t generalize it and try to shoo away cassies this is wrong.
@Lilibaiyu “there have been any number of cases here on JYJ3, JYJFiles, etc. etc. where something quite different has been occurring,something quite malicious and downright rude, by people calling themselves “Cassies” – people who now support YH&CM only, for instance. I would suggest to you also that you do some research into this at the various sites because it’s not good, happy, positive behavior.” Calling themselves Cassies they are not a Cassie at all. How can you be a Cassie if you dont like JYJ. You’re talking about Hotel girls. Cassiopeia always loves and cares about JYJ. Please dont misunderstand this. We dont give up our name and TVXQ’s name cause just SM wants it. JYJ didnt give up too They are JYJ from TVXQ and they still call us our stars. JYJ has rights of this names as much as Homin. And I know about this cases you talked about so dont worry.
Please dont bashed people who wants to see them 5 again. I agree with you. You cant support both sides. I am not supporting homin. Actually I am so mad and so disappointed about them. But I just cant give up on them too. I still pray for them to come their senses back. Can you give up if your sister or brother made bad decisions and leaves you miserably? Can you just forget about him/her and move on your life? Can you hate him/ as if s/he is someone ordinary? Wouldnt you want forgive him/her and come back to you again? JYJ and Homin were brothers. JYJ still wants and waits for Homin. I am sure you read JaeJoong’s interview. JYJ made songs to Homin; W, Fallen Leaves, Nine. They sang this songs with tears on their eyes. If JYJ didnt love Homin I am sure I would hate them.
Yes Cassiopeia wants them 5 again.Is it wrong thing to want what JYJ wants, love what JYJ loves, trust what JYJ trusts? JYJ trust that that day will come.
@Rose –
“@Lilibaiyu I do understand your reasons.. I supported all 5 of them and I believe Homin is in wrong now and yes I don’t support them or their decisions and I am here because I want to keep myself fresh with JYJ.. I don’t think it is possible for a cassie to support them the way they do in the past..”
Ah! Now we’re getting somewhere. I’m glad we can agree on YH&CM’s incredibly hurtful and repeated betrayals of the members of JYJ and their continuing willingness to do the dirty work of their handlers, SM.
When you are finished reading it thoroughly, you’ll see the depths of outrage that many here feel at YH&CM’s conduct.
When you understand that you begin to see how impossible it is for many of us here to continue to “love and support all five.” Unless I’m mistaken, that is the definition of a Cassie.
@W
“Yes Cassiopeia wants them 5 again.Is it wrong thing to want what JYJ wants, love what JYJ loves, trust what JYJ trusts? JYJ trust that that day will come”
Please see my response to Rose. Also please read this page:
It appears that JYJ is moving on, confidently and happily and successfully with their careers. Artistically, they have never been stronger. They are no longer under the yoke of SM decision-making and the “idol machine.” They are FREE. YH&CM have made their decisions too and they must live with them. Wishing JYJ would go back with YH&CM means going back to SM.
That’s like wishing your friend would go back to an abusive relationship because it makes YOU feel good.
@Lilibaiyu I know all of these articles already… I think I explained why I believe used to be Cassies should continue to be Cassies even though they stop supporting all of them.. All my point was to say that Cassies love JYJ.. Cassies are the ones to support all 5 of them when all 5 of them was one and they are not now so I don’t think this definition is sufficient now. This issue is complicated and difficult to explain as any issue. I still love the old TVXQ5, I support JYJ now,and I still have the miracoulous dream of seeing them 5 again someday; why should I change my name then? I am not just a JYJ fan. That wouldn’t be enough to describe my point of view. Btw I never want JYJ to return SM.. If this reunion is gonna happen Homin will get out of there and will regret their actions… Geez they even dared to sing Rising Sun today T_T
@Rose
“All my point was to say that Cassies love JYJ.. Cassies are the ones to support all 5 of them when all 5 of them was one and they are not now so I don’t think this definition is sufficient now.”
Not all of them. Not by a long shot. I think this is our essential point of disagreement. And I have to say it kind of surprises me that you seem to be unaware of how actively a number of Cassies have been working to undermine and discredit JYJ for all of these months.
But let’s certainly agree NOW that you are most definitely NOT part of this bunch of trouble-making anti-fans.
And having read all of the background history of the lawsuit and resulting difficulties for JYJ, I hope that you can now know why insisting on calling yourselves Cassies here on JYJ3 could have been seen to be inflammatory. We have had more than our share of trolls here along with OT5 people who have been very rude, insistent and insulting, on a WordPress blog clearly designated on the homepage as being for fans and friends of JYJ, The Three, only. This is not the best place to come, for instance, if you want to reminisce about TVXQ. There are many other sites that will be more than happy to do that with you.
@Lilibaiyu Just ignore that people here or anywhere you see.. they wouldn’t reach anywhere by ignoring the truth and being delusional anyways. If it is love they feel they shouldn’t be judged. But if they come here to criticize JYJ I would seriously question their sincerity. I wouldn’t go to an Homin site and criticize them that would be sick. I am here simply because I love JYJ not for reminiscing all of them. Well there is no all of them there are two sides so everyone should know how to act in the proper places. I didn’t like the fact that they are doin this under the name of cassies but this is simply some people’s improper acts not something cassies come together and agreed on. Some people just like disturbing the peace of others. They are virtual terrorists LOL.. But please don’t judge cassiopeia by the acts of that people. Cassies are originated from Korea and most people there know how to limit their actions. But yes there are those terrorists too. many international fans divert the truth anyways. Most of them see the issue as they wanna see because they are less or misinformed I dunno. The fact that this is a JYJ site cannot isolate it from TVXQ and Homin because they are pretty related and of course that issues should be argued here too. We were the ones after the truth, no? But of course everyone should know to keep respectful to JYJ here. I seriously believe the people you are talking about are Homin biased people or disguised Hotels or something. Because supporting JYJ is the primary goal of here. They shouldn’t have come here in the first place.
It kind of peeves me off when people say that Cassies should not be allowed to love JYJ. That only ex-cassies have exclusive rights in loving JYJ. I have been a fan and an i-cassie of DBSK for a long time. My biases in DBSK were Junsu, Yoochun and Yunho but I loved the whole group of 5, though, admittedly, JYJ were the ones who kept me loving the group the way I do now because I loved their talented vocals and personalities.
When the lawsuit occurred, I supported JYJ because I felt that they were in the right. I sill consider myself a Cassie, just not a Cassie of DBSK2. I continue to love HoMin because I loved them for years. I feel like a noona to them and while their recent actions may be disappointing to me and I disapprove of their words and actions, I still check in on their activities from time to time.
I am an i-cassie (not a formal one since I did not officially register in the fan club), I love all 5 but at the moment, I support JYJ 100%.
”¿Why Cassiopea? Cassiopeas are TVXQ fans. JYJ is an independent group.”
Cas5iopeia are fans of TVXQ5 & JYJ & HoMin. Cas5ies love JYJ as much as JYJ fans love JYJ. The only difference is that Cas5ies love HoMin too (and JYJ fans don’t), there’s no difference in love & support towards JYJ. And for me, both JYJ & HoMin will forever be TVXQ, I don’t care what SM says or what other fans think.
”Please, no more cassies around JYJ. I like better ex-cassies.”
Please, no more such requests. You have no right to make them. Thank you.
People think its easy to step back from a name you called your self for 2 years.. But its not.. And as I said before.. Im not gonna step back from the name Cassiopeia.. thank you for your comment.. I do understand the new fans.. or the mad fans.. but i dont understand the fact that they dont understand us.. People think that JYJ is started to being loved in Turkey now, but thats not it.. we know them for a long time.. but its just now our projects starts to work day by day..
To me a name doesnt matter. Even if you are Turkish Cassiopeia, Korean Cassiopeia or i-cassiopeia, as long as we love, support and protect JYJ from anything, then we are on the same page. JYJ Fans, Fighting!
As Turkish Cassiopeia our ultimate purpose is to support our boys no matter what kind of a situtation they are in.That’s why we keep trying to promote them in our country in many ways as possible.The thing is we called ourselves cassiopeia for a very long time so I do not understand the people who want to see us giving up on our name.We called themselves so for years and years.It is not that easy and we don’t want to do it.We are doing a lot of projects,we are really trying hard for them to hear us and see us supporting them forever.We want them to feel that they have truly madly fans over here even in Turkey.Everday thousands of people in our group get in contact and share ideas,feelings,news,projects and so on among each other.We share our smiles,tears,happiness,sadness,enthusiasm,wishes,love and caring.JYJ Turkey is more than just a fan group but a real family because we feel each other and protect.We have the same humanity just as our boys have.We have the hope and we are doing everything not to loose that hope.We want our steps to become even grater in each time.We intend to become even greater than this.We want to carry our lives to great social platforms so that our boys can be proud of us because we will be doing all those in the name of our dear members.I just want to see every community has the same purpose.The issue is not just to bring them to our countries,buy their products and watch their videos.It is not all.Absolutely not…We loved them because they are the most majestic example of talent,humanity and quality.What we are trying to do is just to suit them as fans.We should be reflecting their understandings and feelings and perceptions.We shouldn’t be doing anything to make them feel sad or guilty or pressured.Our duty is to give them comfort happiness trust and support and show this vision to the people who are not even from cassiopeia community.Then everyone will see what kind of a world we are in.I thank JYJ3 admins because I see them seeing our trials and efforts and respect it.Besides you are open to our ideas and sharings.This is something great.What we looked for since many years is to see all cassiopeia community without inside wars challenges and sides.As Turkish cassiopeia we never defend anger,hatred,biased behaviours.In each case we try to evaluate and examine every details claims and explanations and take our manners accordingly.We believe that each national cassiopeia community should help each other because we are in fact one huge family.These words of mine is not to anyone here or to someone else.Since I find it here as a sincere place to share our feelings in peace, I wanted to spit them out to you my friends.I just do not understand how can cassiopeia get divided into parts and sides.It is not a matter suit to a community like Cassiopeia.We should be loyal,royal,calm and smart so we can keep our cool in any case and behave our true selves.I wish that nobody ever forget that we are an elite community which digged its name to the history of fan world.As Turkish Cassiopeia we are ready to do anything to keep this name so.And our doors are always open to anyone who are in the way of supporting our boys.We are ready for any help as long as we believe it is rightful and sincere.Again I want to say that I am glad about existence of JYJ3. ^^
Great job, Turkish Cas5ies. <3 It would be cool if a few bigger European countries could have JYJ on TV as well (my country is too small, but I have hope for bigger countries). Really want to see that. ^.^ Cas5ies & JYJ fans hwaiting~ <3
You are great!! Thank you for posting this
hehe JYJ on our Turkish TV !!!
i know i’m starting to sound like an AKP stan/broken record but i’m gonna tip this.
i like seeing JYJ news on the front page
Turkish fans are so cool
i hope we have turkish lurkers
every turkish fan is following this page we even translate everything that JYJ3 shares XD check: tvxqfan.com ^^
Juno I love you Lol
SO proud *tears*
thank you jyj3 admins ^^
¡EXCELLENT! I FEEL VERY PROUD OF MY BOYS JAEJOONG, MICKY AND JUNSU.
But I have to ask; ¿Why Cassiopea? Cassiopeas are TVXQ fans. JYJ is an independent group. Please, no more cassies around JYJ. I like better ex-cassies.
We “Turkish” fans still dont want to change the name Cassiopeia because we think that we wont wanna change the name just because some stupido at SM told us to. JYJ is from TVXQ, Cassiopeia is for 5 stars.. thats what we think on this moment.. Will it change? Maybe.. But when? I dont know..
@W I ♥ you ^^
Maybe JYJ can’t use the name officially but Cassiopeia are still their fans and they see it like that… The difference between TVXQ/JYJ fans and other artists fans is this.. They don’t love them for just a period, for just an album/song etc. Once they love them they love each song they sang in past & future.. they support them in every project they are in; be it a drama or musical or a football team.. These are the true fans who supported them for years and they won’t be changing their name because of a company because they are the same people and they want to show JYJ that they are the same people and they support them wherever they go, which way they choose… If you are a new fan who don’t wanna be a cassie you are welcomed but it is not possible for an already cassie to change position.. JYJ supports cassies too… They made a song called W, no? JJ wrote star star star star star (별별별별별)to his twitter.. He still calls his fans stars, and tells that they shine.. These are other things that encourage us to use that name.. Maybe JYJ is not allowed but we’ll show them that the Cassiopeia is with them.
Rose you really read my mind ^^ thank you ♥
Well girls, it seems like your heart is with JYJ. I don’t dislike cassies; it’s only that I always relate cassies with JYJ being mistreated. Not all the cassies are like you. And the actual situation is very different than the past one. Lets wait and see…….
And I respectfully ask you not to scold me for my comment. It wasn’t disrespectful in any way. You don’t know me, so please don’t dare to judge if I’m or I’m not a trustful and loyal JYJ’s fan. If I live on the other side of the world, it doesn’t mean that my feelings are different from the other fans who live next to them. And I have the right to be respected, just like you.
NOBODY better disrespect Shuheilove while I’M around!!
I’m also wary of Cassies… The reasons are clear to all who have been paying attention. They’ve been a bit too eager to sweep the real issues of the lawsuit under the rug and beg for The Five to reunite so they can continue their visual worship unimpeded.
I’m not saying ALL Cassies. But enough of them to make me a little put off and cautious.
@Lilibaiyu, thanks for your support. What you’ve stated is exactly what I’m awared of and what I fear about cassies. Always hiding something under the desk, waiting for the right moment to attack. But, as you said, NOT ALL THE CASSIES.
@Shuheilove Your comment is so ridiculous that I cant believe I talk about it. JYJ is alive now thanks to Cassiopeia if JYJ didnt quit the business it’s for the sake of Cassiopeia. JYJ is not an independent group. “JYJ from TVXQ” does it ring any bells??? All the Cassiopeia has the purest and deepest love and care for these 3 people and a few corrupted thoughts of a few people doesn’t change what Cassiopeia is. I dont think you know Cassiopeia at all. By the way TVXQ’s work is JYJ’s 95% work so far. So if you dont like TVXQ I dont think you like JYJ.
Well miss W, don’t get tough in here. I don’t know why you “Cassiopeas” think you’re the only ones who have the right to be fans of JYJ. ¿Who said that? ¡NOBODY! ¿Who said I don’t like TVXQ? ¡NOBODY! What I don’t like is foolish and naive girls like you who think that they know everything. You, girl appeared from nowhere, you don’t have the right to say whom I like or whom I don’t like because you don’t know what I’m thinking or whom I love. ¿Corrupted people? ¿Are you daring, young girl, to say that I’m corrupted? Oh, girl. You have a very long tongue. Better watch your step before your dumb feet step over your serpent tongue and make you fall off your world of fantasies. ¡YOU NEED TO LEARN TO RESPECT YOUR OLDER AND WISER ONES!
W girl, I forgot. Don’t be so arrogant. ¿”JYJ IS ALIVE NOW THANKS TO CASSIOPEAS”? ¿So, that means they don’t have any merits, any talents at all? ¿All they’ve achieved is thanks to cassiopeas? ¿You think they’re going to come running towards you to wash your mighty feet as a sign of gratitude for saving them? ¡YOU SERIOUSLY ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND! You’re the one who is not a truly JYJ fan. You are only following them until they pay what they owe you for your “salvaging” services.
@shuheilove You are sooo weird you are the one that comes between cassies and telling they shouldnt love JYJ even though the were the ones who love that 3 boys and saying we don’t know anything and don’t have the right to judge you? baby you came with your illogical assumptions and judges us in the first place even though you don’t know us at all. How old can you be to think you are older and wiser than me? Haha I am old and smart enough to dicriminate right and wrong. JYJ owe Cassies ok? You should accept that… but that doesn’t mean they didn’t earn their love by their great talents and warm hearts. Go and ask about cassiopeia to JYJ. You’ll get your ass kicked by them if they heard your words and no I am not being delusional I know them long enough to know that they care about cassies dearly and much more than anyone. If you liked them you wouldn’t try to shoo away their loved ones… what? are you being jealous? Cassies love and support JYJ maybe even more than you period. So you can’t talk about cassies as if they were some delusional girls who don’t know about JYJ but supporting them out of habit. That is really silly to think… and you are angry because I thought you don’t like TVXQ? If you like TVXQ why don’t you like their fans? wouldn’t it be silly… JYJ and TVXQ are not different at all.. If you can’t deal with their past go away seriously. I hate people like you who thinks they are being smart by critisizing and being doubtful of everything. The things I told about JYJ and cassiopiea are not my assumptions. They are simply the truth. Cassies would not want JYJ to do anything special other than being themselves but you think with your all rotten mind that their old fans don’t mean anything.. Cassies are Cassies because they LOVE JYJ. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be cassies. It is not something decided by other one or they do for earning money or sth. They are going to continue to be Cassies and be around JYJ forever. I hope you are disgusted enough to leave the planet know..
@W -
” So you can’t talk about cassies as if they were some delusional girls who don’t know about JYJ but supporting them out of habit. That is really silly to think…”
OK, ladies, I think it’s really time to tone it down a couple of notches. We are reasonable people here and reasonable people may differ in their opinions in a civilized manner.
W – I think it is a bit much to show up on a List and start firing salvos across the bow. We have had that happen fairly often and it is invariably the work of Homin trolls. I think you need to do some basic research on the unpleasant history of many, many Cassies who want “All Five Or Nothing” and who have sided with Homin and SM to defame, disparage and discredit JYJ in ways too numerous to mention. Check out the WordPress blog “JYJFiles”, “JYJ3″ and “SYC” for example after example of this deplorable behavior.
This is why many of us, NOT ALL OF US, are wary of people who still call themselves Cassies. The very name itself refers to a FIVE star constellation. There is a large contingent of Cassies that you should be aware of who are actively against the idea of JYJ continuing on with their careers as a 3 man group. Maybe there are NONE in Turkey, but there are lots of them everywhere else.
This is a fact and no amount of flowery sentiments on your part about “loving them all” can change that.
Please notice that I was not referring to you when I was explaining a little of our above history and experience. I am perfectly willing to believe, in fact, that you are NOT one of these “Five Or Nothing” Cassies. But they are out there and they have been making trouble every which way for months on end and it’s been rough on everyone, most especially JYJ, to see these supposed fans working so actively to halt their activities while still calling themselves Cassies. Again, please note: I am not generalizing, I am not saying ALL Cassies.
But certainly enough of them to make some, not all, of us distrust the name and, frankly wish for another way to describe a fandom that embraces The Three and their goals and abilities going forward.
That’s about it. No offense of a personal nature intended, of course.
@Lilibaiyu Cassiopeia are the people who supports those five people together or as individuals and they wouldn’t become a drawback or try to block their way, pushing them into something that members wouldn’t want. Cassiopeia should be the ones that supports them dearly. The people you are talking about whom call themselves cassies may be doing wrong but their wrongdoings don’t change what cassiopeia is. When you see that people kindly remind what Cassiopeia is and please dont assume the worst when you see a cassie around. I am sure most of them still cares about JYJ just as any sole JYJ fans but they are not aggressive people who would fight over something on the blogs. So, what you saw is a minority of cassies. Seeing JYJ fans talk about cassies that way hurt my feelings because I was thinking we cared about the same people but they didn’t like me which supported JYJ even before them… That doesn’t sound right at all… Please don’t speak about cassies that way again.. The real cassies are JYJ’s friends and they should be yours too.. The major groups that support JYJ such as DCTVXQ, DNBN, Ikadong etc. are made up of Cassies.. It is really wrong a JYJ fan to attack Cassiopeia… please keep your fights personal with the people you are talking about..
@ Rose –
“@Lilibaiyu Cassiopeia are the people who supports those five people together or as individuals and they wouldn’t become a drawback or try to block their way, pushing them into something that members wouldn’t want. Cassiopeia should be the ones that supports them dearly.”
Oh, yes, agreed. That is what Cassies “should” do. What I’m trying to respectfully express to you and ‘W’ is that there have been any number of cases here on JYJ3, JYJFiles, etc. etc. where something quite different has been occurring,something quite malicious and downright rude, by people calling themselves “Cassies” – people who now support YH&CM only, for instance. I would suggest to you also that you do some research into this at the various sites because it’s not good, happy, positive behavior.
Further, there are people who have been here a long while who have been, to put it politely, greatly dismayed at YH&CM’s statements and behavior in their various efforts to lend their support to the positions of SM, who continue to thwart in every way they can JYJ’s ability to conduct their business in Korea and Japan.
So there again, it is incorrect to come here and say that you as a Cassie “support all 5 unconditionally.” This is the wrong place to be, in that case. JYJ3 is a place for the fans of JYJ.
Speaking for myself alone now, I am no longer a fan of YH&CM after the way they have publicly maligned JYJ in various interviews they have given recently. I can not imagine supporting them ever again in any way, in fact, after what they did.
So again, a Cassie who “loves and supports all 5″ is someone I inherently can not understand; it’s a cause for dissension. I believe there are more than a few here who share this view.
So perhaps you could consider this point of view along with your own. I’m not trying to convince you to change yours, I’m just suggesting that these are the areas where conflict amongst us may be inevitable on JYJ3.
@Lilibaiyu I do understand your reasons.. I supported all 5 of them and I believe Homin is in wrong now and yes I don’t support them or their decisions and I am here because I want to keep myself fresh with JYJ.. I don’t think it is possible for a cassie to support them the way they do in the past.. It is just in my opinion if they were once a cassie.. even if they love one of the members now it is good for them to keep their name because I feel JYJ would like to know Cassies are with them. I believe that’s why they still use the name stars for them and actually they will always see themselves as TVXQ too so that’s why cassies can be JYJ fans too.. I am a cassie even if I don’t support what Homin do now because yes I loved the 5 member group and I still love it. But I didn’t leave Homin and I am still waiting for them.. I am sure they have their reasons but whenever they do something against JYJ I treat them as my opponent… but that doesn’t last when my anger calm down because I really loved them in the past.. being angry, disappointed, frustrated don’t make me forget them. I just want you to know that cassies you are talking about a sub-group of cassies not what a cassie is.. Just don’t generalize it and try to shoo away cassies this is wrong.
@Lilibaiyu “there have been any number of cases here on JYJ3, JYJFiles, etc. etc. where something quite different has been occurring,something quite malicious and downright rude, by people calling themselves “Cassies” – people who now support YH&CM only, for instance. I would suggest to you also that you do some research into this at the various sites because it’s not good, happy, positive behavior.” Calling themselves Cassies they are not a Cassie at all. How can you be a Cassie if you dont like JYJ. You’re talking about Hotel girls. Cassiopeia always loves and cares about JYJ. Please dont misunderstand this. We dont give up our name and TVXQ’s name cause just SM wants it. JYJ didnt give up too They are JYJ from TVXQ and they still call us our stars. JYJ has rights of this names as much as Homin. And I know about this cases you talked about so dont worry.
Please dont bashed people who wants to see them 5 again. I agree with you. You cant support both sides. I am not supporting homin. Actually I am so mad and so disappointed about them. But I just cant give up on them too. I still pray for them to come their senses back. Can you give up if your sister or brother made bad decisions and leaves you miserably? Can you just forget about him/her and move on your life? Can you hate him/ as if s/he is someone ordinary? Wouldnt you want forgive him/her and come back to you again? JYJ and Homin were brothers. JYJ still wants and waits for Homin. I am sure you read JaeJoong’s interview. JYJ made songs to Homin; W, Fallen Leaves, Nine. They sang this songs with tears on their eyes. If JYJ didnt love Homin I am sure I would hate them.
Yes Cassiopeia wants them 5 again.Is it wrong thing to want what JYJ wants, love what JYJ loves, trust what JYJ trusts? JYJ trust that that day will come.
@W I ♥ you
@Rose I love You too. ^^
@Rose –
“@Lilibaiyu I do understand your reasons.. I supported all 5 of them and I believe Homin is in wrong now and yes I don’t support them or their decisions and I am here because I want to keep myself fresh with JYJ.. I don’t think it is possible for a cassie to support them the way they do in the past..”
Ah! Now we’re getting somewhere.
I’m glad we can agree on YH&CM’s incredibly hurtful and repeated betrayals of the members of JYJ and their continuing willingness to do the dirty work of their handlers, SM.
Here is an important page for you to read:
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/yunho-and-changmin-switch-their-stance-on-jyj/
When you are finished reading it thoroughly, you’ll see the depths of outrage that many here feel at YH&CM’s conduct.
When you understand that you begin to see how impossible it is for many of us here to continue to “love and support all five.” Unless I’m mistaken, that is the definition of a Cassie.
@W
“Yes Cassiopeia wants them 5 again.Is it wrong thing to want what JYJ wants, love what JYJ loves, trust what JYJ trusts? JYJ trust that that day will come”
Please see my response to Rose. Also please read this page:
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/yunho-and-changmin-switch-their-stance-on-jyj/
It appears that JYJ is moving on, confidently and happily and successfully with their careers. Artistically, they have never been stronger. They are no longer under the yoke of SM decision-making and the “idol machine.” They are FREE. YH&CM have made their decisions too and they must live with them. Wishing JYJ would go back with YH&CM means going back to SM.
That’s like wishing your friend would go back to an abusive relationship because it makes YOU feel good.
@Lilibaiyu I know all of these articles already… I think I explained why I believe used to be Cassies should continue to be Cassies even though they stop supporting all of them.. All my point was to say that Cassies love JYJ.. Cassies are the ones to support all 5 of them when all 5 of them was one and they are not now so I don’t think this definition is sufficient now. This issue is complicated and difficult to explain as any issue. I still love the old TVXQ5, I support JYJ now,and I still have the miracoulous dream of seeing them 5 again someday; why should I change my name then? I am not just a JYJ fan. That wouldn’t be enough to describe my point of view. Btw I never want JYJ to return SM.. If this reunion is gonna happen Homin will get out of there and will regret their actions… Geez they even dared to sing Rising Sun today T_T
@Rose
“All my point was to say that Cassies love JYJ.. Cassies are the ones to support all 5 of them when all 5 of them was one and they are not now so I don’t think this definition is sufficient now.”
Not all of them. Not by a long shot. I think this is our essential point of disagreement. And I have to say it kind of surprises me that you seem to be unaware of how actively a number of Cassies have been working to undermine and discredit JYJ for all of these months.
But let’s certainly agree NOW that you are most definitely NOT part of this bunch of trouble-making anti-fans.
And having read all of the background history of the lawsuit and resulting difficulties for JYJ, I hope that you can now know why insisting on calling yourselves Cassies here on JYJ3 could have been seen to be inflammatory. We have had more than our share of trolls here along with OT5 people who have been very rude, insistent and insulting, on a WordPress blog clearly designated on the homepage as being for fans and friends of JYJ, The Three, only. This is not the best place to come, for instance, if you want to reminisce about TVXQ. There are many other sites that will be more than happy to do that with you.
@Lilibaiyu Just ignore that people here or anywhere you see.. they wouldn’t reach anywhere by ignoring the truth and being delusional anyways. If it is love they feel they shouldn’t be judged. But if they come here to criticize JYJ I would seriously question their sincerity. I wouldn’t go to an Homin site and criticize them that would be sick. I am here simply because I love JYJ not for reminiscing all of them. Well there is no all of them there are two sides so everyone should know how to act in the proper places. I didn’t like the fact that they are doin this under the name of cassies but this is simply some people’s improper acts not something cassies come together and agreed on. Some people just like disturbing the peace of others. They are virtual terrorists LOL.. But please don’t judge cassiopeia by the acts of that people. Cassies are originated from Korea and most people there know how to limit their actions. But yes there are those terrorists too. many international fans divert the truth anyways. Most of them see the issue as they wanna see because they are less or misinformed I dunno. The fact that this is a JYJ site cannot isolate it from TVXQ and Homin because they are pretty related and of course that issues should be argued here too. We were the ones after the truth, no? But of course everyone should know to keep respectful to JYJ here. I seriously believe the people you are talking about are Homin biased people or disguised Hotels or something. Because supporting JYJ is the primary goal of here. They shouldn’t have come here in the first place.
what are you saying???
It kind of peeves me off when people say that Cassies should not be allowed to love JYJ. That only ex-cassies have exclusive rights in loving JYJ. I have been a fan and an i-cassie of DBSK for a long time. My biases in DBSK were Junsu, Yoochun and Yunho but I loved the whole group of 5, though, admittedly, JYJ were the ones who kept me loving the group the way I do now because I loved their talented vocals and personalities.
When the lawsuit occurred, I supported JYJ because I felt that they were in the right. I sill consider myself a Cassie, just not a Cassie of DBSK2. I continue to love HoMin because I loved them for years. I feel like a noona to them and while their recent actions may be disappointing to me and I disapprove of their words and actions, I still check in on their activities from time to time.
I am an i-cassie (not a formal one since I did not officially register in the fan club), I love all 5 but at the moment, I support JYJ 100%.
”¿Why Cassiopea? Cassiopeas are TVXQ fans. JYJ is an independent group.”
Cas5iopeia are fans of TVXQ5 & JYJ & HoMin. Cas5ies love JYJ as much as JYJ fans love JYJ. The only difference is that Cas5ies love HoMin too (and JYJ fans don’t), there’s no difference in love & support towards JYJ. And for me, both JYJ & HoMin will forever be TVXQ, I don’t care what SM says or what other fans think.
”Please, no more cassies around JYJ. I like better ex-cassies.”
Please, no more such requests. You have no right to make them. Thank you.
People think its easy to step back from a name you called your self for 2 years.. But its not.. And as I said before.. Im not gonna step back from the name Cassiopeia.. thank you for your comment.. I do understand the new fans.. or the mad fans.. but i dont understand the fact that they dont understand us.. People think that JYJ is started to being loved in Turkey now, but thats not it.. we know them for a long time.. but its just now our projects starts to work day by day..
We’ll support JYJ even if they don’t answer out calls
JYJ Hwaiting!!!! Turkish Cassiopeia love you!!!
jyj turkish cassiopeia
To me a name doesnt matter. Even if you are Turkish Cassiopeia, Korean Cassiopeia or i-cassiopeia, as long as we love, support and protect JYJ from anything, then we are on the same page. JYJ Fans, Fighting!
always keep the faith!
thank you jyj3 admins
Turkish Cassiopeia love you
this is so cool!!! im wowing at their extensive popularity…even reaching turkey tv…sugoi!!
thank you turkish fans
turkish fans Fighting !!!!!
JYJ I LOVE YOU MORE than anything <3
WOW !! U ARE GREAT TUR. FANS .. !! U MAKE OUR BOYS APPEAR IN YOUR NATIONAL TV !! WOW GRAAAAAAAAAAAT I HOPE WE CAN DO THE SAME IN MY COUNTRY ….
Are there really 8,000 fans in Turkey? That is quite a lot.
Check it out ^^ We are now over 9000 fans ^^ http://www.facebook.com/YounGoTV#!/pages/JYJ-Showcase-The-beginning-in-Turkey/164780060206123
Fantastic vocal performance by the guys! The best one I’ve heard yet!
Thank you for your support Turkish Cassiopeia! ^___^ Please always continue to support and love the boys!
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Please vote for JYJ
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=question&id=10150166682607492
We are loosing to Suju and BigBang. I don’t mind Bigbang winning but not Suju X___X and it seems to be and official poll thingie
As Turkish Cassiopeia our ultimate purpose is to support our boys no matter what kind of a situtation they are in.That’s why we keep trying to promote them in our country in many ways as possible.The thing is we called ourselves cassiopeia for a very long time so I do not understand the people who want to see us giving up on our name.We called themselves so for years and years.It is not that easy and we don’t want to do it.We are doing a lot of projects,we are really trying hard for them to hear us and see us supporting them forever.We want them to feel that they have truly madly fans over here even in Turkey.Everday thousands of people in our group get in contact and share ideas,feelings,news,projects and so on among each other.We share our smiles,tears,happiness,sadness,enthusiasm,wishes,love and caring.JYJ Turkey is more than just a fan group but a real family because we feel each other and protect.We have the same humanity just as our boys have.We have the hope and we are doing everything not to loose that hope.We want our steps to become even grater in each time.We intend to become even greater than this.We want to carry our lives to great social platforms so that our boys can be proud of us because we will be doing all those in the name of our dear members.I just want to see every community has the same purpose.The issue is not just to bring them to our countries,buy their products and watch their videos.It is not all.Absolutely not…We loved them because they are the most majestic example of talent,humanity and quality.What we are trying to do is just to suit them as fans.We should be reflecting their understandings and feelings and perceptions.We shouldn’t be doing anything to make them feel sad or guilty or pressured.Our duty is to give them comfort happiness trust and support and show this vision to the people who are not even from cassiopeia community.Then everyone will see what kind of a world we are in.I thank JYJ3 admins because I see them seeing our trials and efforts and respect it.Besides you are open to our ideas and sharings.This is something great.What we looked for since many years is to see all cassiopeia community without inside wars challenges and sides.As Turkish cassiopeia we never defend anger,hatred,biased behaviours.In each case we try to evaluate and examine every details claims and explanations and take our manners accordingly.We believe that each national cassiopeia community should help each other because we are in fact one huge family.These words of mine is not to anyone here or to someone else.Since I find it here as a sincere place to share our feelings in peace, I wanted to spit them out to you my friends.I just do not understand how can cassiopeia get divided into parts and sides.It is not a matter suit to a community like Cassiopeia.We should be loyal,royal,calm and smart so we can keep our cool in any case and behave our true selves.I wish that nobody ever forget that we are an elite community which digged its name to the history of fan world.As Turkish Cassiopeia we are ready to do anything to keep this name so.And our doors are always open to anyone who are in the way of supporting our boys.We are ready for any help as long as we believe it is rightful and sincere.Again I want to say that I am glad about existence of JYJ3. ^^
Great job, Turkish Cas5ies. <3 It would be cool if a few bigger European countries could have JYJ on TV as well (my country is too small, but I have hope for bigger countries). Really want to see that. ^.^ Cas5ies & JYJ fans hwaiting~ <3