I desperately wanna go to Barcelona for this concert…but i’m still waiting to hear back from the promoters about the ticket package =/ Its only a few weeks away now and I still gotta ask my boss if I could go…
Kindly take your negativity somewhere. Don’t troll!!! Ofcourse they have to sell one concert first, before they open ticket sales for a new one. This is going to be a success!!!! JYJ FIGHTING!
Why is it that if somebody has different opinion about something they must be either antis or trolls? I hear that many times about myself too, just because I don’t worship blindly even the ground they stand on but have some healthy criticism toward them sometimes. Announcing a concert to an audience who could only long without any hope to see the boys live for years when they don’t even know if they can hold that concert… Well, it clearly falls on the “irresponsible” side in my book, too. I respect C-JeS for what they are doing for the boys and I think they do an extremly good job but that doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes. It doesn’t make you a troll if you realise these mistakes.
LoveUnchanged
Is she spanish? Or is she attending this bacelona concert and knows details that we do not know. All I read was :negative vibes”. If you have evidence that says that this concert is a mess, then share that evidence, then I won’t consider you a troll. 99% of the time, your believe is your portion; what you believe in is what you get. If this “barcelonia concet is a mess” thinking catches on and spreads from one site to another, people will believe it and those already planning on going might change their mind thinking its really is a mess, so that it truelly ends up being a mess. I hate negative vibes. Even if you think it, keep it to yourself or relay your “information” to C-Jes.
I say going to barcelona is a wonderful idea. JYJ fans who can, please support them beautifully. Its going to be a success!
vik720
@LoveUnchanged
You don’t need to be Spanish to know the details. First the news talked about a venue with 3500 seats. Then it was said they changed it to a 17000 seats one. Then they said no, it’s just a rumor, in the news they confirmed that it’s a different venue with a similar name but only with 3000 seats. After that they changed the location to the current one but there are news appearing again and again with the name of the previous location confusing the fans.
The ticket sales are totally messed up, too. Some of the fans were able to buy their tickets when they weren’t even on sale yet, nobody really knows how. And when the tickets officially started to sell, the VIP and Premium tickets were miraculously sold out already, you couldn’t even buy other ticket but the cheaper standing ones.
Those reserved ticket-plus-hotel-plus-airplain-ticket packages are strange too. Many fans were sending email to the promoters about them because they won’t say the price, you need to ask. But they don’t answer to the emails, many fans are still waiting although some of them already recieved a replay, that’s true, but many didn’t.
And about the Berlin stop I already told what I think.
It’s the same chaos as it was with the first US tour. But the next one went quite smoothly so I’m sure it will work out well next time with the European tour, too. They will learn from their mistakes.
i don’t troll. i am just angry and frustrated like many others who can’t afford flying to spain, so they hope for the concert in germany. it’s unprofessional of c-jes to announce two locations, but there is just one official confirmed. just a little official statement of them regarding the situation for the german concert would be enough. so the fans don’t have to wait or hope for nothing anymore.
@vik720
““my intution tells me the german concert won’t happen anyway”
Sadly the situation more and more resembles the one with the Hawaiian concert last year…”
Do you have more information about this “mess” you could share with us here? I haven’t been aware that they’ve been having trouble with the venues. It would be helpful for international fans who may need to book flights and hotels, etc. to know concrete details of what is going on. I’d hate to see people lose money on deposits, etc. Please elucidate…
vik720
@lilibaiyu
The admin of the European fanclub lives in Germany (and I think in Berlin if I’m not mistaken) so she has access to the venues directly. That’s what she posted on the forum a few days ago: “We’ve asked the staff from Tempodrom if they know anything about a JYJ concert. They said they were trying to get in contact with the management again but there’s still no news about that.” And that was almost a week ago and so far still nothing. It started the same way with the Hawaiian concert, too.
lilibaiyu
@vik720
“The admin of the European fanclub lives in Germany (and I think in Berlin if I’m not mistaken) so she has access to the venues directly.”
Thanks very much for that info. Also, if you can, please post a link for the German forum so people here can bookmark it and stay in touch with them. I just hate the idea of people getting their hopes up or spending money on travel, etc. until it’s stated in Germany as definitely ON.
vik720
@lilibaiyu
“if you can, please post a link for the German forum”
No problem, here’s the link but it doesn’t really works for you, that’s why I didn’t post it originally. First, Phoenix, the European fanclub is OT5, not JYJ fanclub. Second, you need to be a member of the fanclub to see many of the topics.
@Vik720
“No problem, here’s the link but it doesn’t really works for you, that’s why I didn’t post it originally. First, Phoenix, the European fanclub is OT5, not JYJ fanclub. Second, you need to be a member of the fanclub to see many of the topics. http://board.phoenixfanclub.eu/ ”
Got it. That’s fine. It’s just for reference, if any of our JYJ3 ladies are interested in checking it out with a view to attending the Berlin concert –well, there it is.
So what percentage of possibility would you say there is to the site being so biased towards hardcore OT5s and against JYJ that they are just trash-talking the whole tour with the idea of discouraging people from buying tickets and going? This is an actual question, btw–I just wondered if you had any opinion on exactly HOW OT5 they are there? I suppose I’ve learned the hard way that there are some sites you can visit and due to the acrimony against JYJ not one single “fact” they discuss so endlessly is real….
OK, I just “Liked” the page, so I’ll keep an eye on it. And thanks again.
vik720
@lilibaiyu
“So what percentage of possibility would you say there is to the site being so biased towards hardcore OT5s and against JYJ that they are just trash-talking the whole tour with the idea of discouraging people from buying tickets and going?”
What percentage? I’d say null. To tell you the truth I didn’t meet a European anti yet, I mean no anti-DBSK or anti-JYJ. I don’t know why, maybe this whole let’s-worship-our-stars is not really custom here so we don’t feel the need to jump against each others throat because of a singer. And the other possible answer is that most of the fans in Europe are more on the mature side age-wise. Not necessarily old, but 20+ or older because as you know in Europe everybody speaks a different language and you need English to find these kind of stuff on the internet for real. But English being a foreigh language to all you need certain number of years to reach a certain level of understanding of the language so you can freely find valid info about things existing on the other side of Earth only, like an Asian boyband. So those who know about the boys at all are not really the young teenage girls.
European fans are almost all without exception OT5s but not like BigEast. We know about the separation and their activities apart from each other but most European fans support both side and are genuinly happy with their achivements. Both with HoMin’s and JYJ’s too. To get back to your question, everybody in the European fanclub are dying to see JYJ already and are desperate for any info they can find out. But they would be the same if HoMin would want to hold a concert in Berlin.
lilibaiyu
@vik720
“What percentage? I’d say null. To tell you the truth I didn’t meet a European anti yet, I mean no anti-DBSK or anti-JYJ.”
I really have to say…. Thank You so much for all of the good, really interesting information you’ve given today. I really enjoyed reading your description of the European fans just now, too. I feel like I now have a far better understanding of them, I learned something I didn’t know before and that’s enough to make my day any day of the week. I felt really uncomfortable asking you that question about whether the link to the blog/Facebook page you provided was going to be full of maniac OT5 fans or not, but really, it’s a concern of mine because of all of the blogs out there where that is exactly the case.
I think liking and following JYJ should always be a joyous event, so I guess I just didn’t want to steer people to potentially biased information. (I’ve been sent to places before that were pretty outrageously biased and it can be infuriating.) But anyway, thanks again and I’ll look forward to reading your next posts.
Aaah so want to go to the concert in Spain but really wanted a VIP or priority ticket to make it worthwhile. I wish openmusic were clearer with all the package deals because they are offering only the normal tickets and no other types. I don’t know why they don’t come to London. Plenty of fans here!!! I hope everyone has a good time in Barcelona..
Also can we respect other people’s opinions about the situation. Everyone has a different experience of the whole thing and so we can learn from eachother. There is no need to claim that someone is trying to ruin it for others by claiming that the whole situation is a mess. I think we are all just cautious because of incidents that have happened in the past and so emotions are running high. Let’s keep this a happy and jyj loving community. Xxx
Ayy Girl…………….. eat your kimchi fans, where you at? xD
I AM HERE!! ROLLING DOWN MY SEXY WINDOW <333
LOL….dongsaengs anyonghaseyo!! ^^
ah my babies are so fuckin hot O_O
¡Ayyy Girl! ¡OLÉ JYJ!!
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And what about the Berlin stop??!! *cries in a corner*
I desperately wanna go to Barcelona for this concert…but i’m still waiting to hear back from the promoters about the ticket package =/ Its only a few weeks away now and I still gotta ask my boss if I could go…
I just got the email from promoter about that. We need to buy the concert ticket and then contact the travel agency for flight and accommodation.
My sis just said Barcelona is the most beautiful place she had ever been now I more and more want to go T T
Hi Zan, so re u going to JYJ concert?
sorry, but the whole organisation for the barcelona concert is a big mess!
and my intution tells me the german concert won’t happen anyway.
c-jes, next time don’t announce anything ang give fans hope until venues, etc. are officially booked and settled.
thank you *coughs*
Kindly take your negativity somewhere. Don’t troll!!! Ofcourse they have to sell one concert first, before they open ticket sales for a new one. This is going to be a success!!!! JYJ FIGHTING!
somewhere else
Why is it that if somebody has different opinion about something they must be either antis or trolls? I hear that many times about myself too, just because I don’t worship blindly even the ground they stand on but have some healthy criticism toward them sometimes. Announcing a concert to an audience who could only long without any hope to see the boys live for years when they don’t even know if they can hold that concert… Well, it clearly falls on the “irresponsible” side in my book, too. I respect C-JeS for what they are doing for the boys and I think they do an extremly good job but that doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes. It doesn’t make you a troll if you realise these mistakes.
Is she spanish? Or is she attending this bacelona concert and knows details that we do not know. All I read was :negative vibes”. If you have evidence that says that this concert is a mess, then share that evidence, then I won’t consider you a troll. 99% of the time, your believe is your portion; what you believe in is what you get. If this “barcelonia concet is a mess” thinking catches on and spreads from one site to another, people will believe it and those already planning on going might change their mind thinking its really is a mess, so that it truelly ends up being a mess. I hate negative vibes. Even if you think it, keep it to yourself or relay your “information” to C-Jes.
I say going to barcelona is a wonderful idea. JYJ fans who can, please support them beautifully. Its going to be a success!
@LoveUnchanged
You don’t need to be Spanish to know the details. First the news talked about a venue with 3500 seats. Then it was said they changed it to a 17000 seats one. Then they said no, it’s just a rumor, in the news they confirmed that it’s a different venue with a similar name but only with 3000 seats. After that they changed the location to the current one but there are news appearing again and again with the name of the previous location confusing the fans.
The ticket sales are totally messed up, too. Some of the fans were able to buy their tickets when they weren’t even on sale yet, nobody really knows how. And when the tickets officially started to sell, the VIP and Premium tickets were miraculously sold out already, you couldn’t even buy other ticket but the cheaper standing ones.
Those reserved ticket-plus-hotel-plus-airplain-ticket packages are strange too. Many fans were sending email to the promoters about them because they won’t say the price, you need to ask. But they don’t answer to the emails, many fans are still waiting although some of them already recieved a replay, that’s true, but many didn’t.
And about the Berlin stop I already told what I think.
It’s the same chaos as it was with the first US tour. But the next one went quite smoothly so I’m sure it will work out well next time with the European tour, too. They will learn from their mistakes.
i don’t troll. i am just angry and frustrated like many others who can’t afford flying to spain, so they hope for the concert in germany. it’s unprofessional of c-jes to announce two locations, but there is just one official confirmed. just a little official statement of them regarding the situation for the german concert would be enough. so the fans don’t have to wait or hope for nothing anymore.
@Junko
“my intution tells me the german concert won’t happen anyway”
Sadly the situation more and more resembles the one with the Hawaiian concert last year…
@vik720
““my intution tells me the german concert won’t happen anyway”
Sadly the situation more and more resembles the one with the Hawaiian concert last year…”
Do you have more information about this “mess” you could share with us here? I haven’t been aware that they’ve been having trouble with the venues. It would be helpful for international fans who may need to book flights and hotels, etc. to know concrete details of what is going on. I’d hate to see people lose money on deposits, etc. Please elucidate…
@lilibaiyu
The admin of the European fanclub lives in Germany (and I think in Berlin if I’m not mistaken) so she has access to the venues directly. That’s what she posted on the forum a few days ago: “We’ve asked the staff from Tempodrom if they know anything about a JYJ concert. They said they were trying to get in contact with the management again but there’s still no news about that.” And that was almost a week ago and so far still nothing. It started the same way with the Hawaiian concert, too.
@vik720
“The admin of the European fanclub lives in Germany (and I think in Berlin if I’m not mistaken) so she has access to the venues directly.”
Thanks very much for that info. Also, if you can, please post a link for the German forum so people here can bookmark it and stay in touch with them. I just hate the idea of people getting their hopes up or spending money on travel, etc. until it’s stated in Germany as definitely ON.
@lilibaiyu
“if you can, please post a link for the German forum”
No problem, here’s the link but it doesn’t really works for you, that’s why I didn’t post it originally. First, Phoenix, the European fanclub is OT5, not JYJ fanclub. Second, you need to be a member of the fanclub to see many of the topics.
http://board.phoenixfanclub.eu/
I’ve just checked. It was on their Facebook, not on the forum, sorry. 22 September: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-The-Unofficial-European-Fanclub-of-TVXQ/117051468352065?sk=wall
@Vik720
“No problem, here’s the link but it doesn’t really works for you, that’s why I didn’t post it originally. First, Phoenix, the European fanclub is OT5, not JYJ fanclub. Second, you need to be a member of the fanclub to see many of the topics. http://board.phoenixfanclub.eu/ ”
Got it. That’s fine. It’s just for reference, if any of our JYJ3 ladies are interested in checking it out with a view to attending the Berlin concert –well, there it is.
So what percentage of possibility would you say there is to the site being so biased towards hardcore OT5s and against JYJ that they are just trash-talking the whole tour with the idea of discouraging people from buying tickets and going? This is an actual question, btw–I just wondered if you had any opinion on exactly HOW OT5 they are there? I suppose I’ve learned the hard way that there are some sites you can visit and due to the acrimony against JYJ not one single “fact” they discuss so endlessly is real….
@vik720
“’ve just checked. It was on their Facebook, not on the forum, sorry. 22 September: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-The-Unofficial-European-Fanclub-of-TVXQ/117051468352065?sk=wall ”
OK, I just “Liked” the page, so I’ll keep an eye on it. And thanks again.
@lilibaiyu
“So what percentage of possibility would you say there is to the site being so biased towards hardcore OT5s and against JYJ that they are just trash-talking the whole tour with the idea of discouraging people from buying tickets and going?”
What percentage? I’d say null.
To tell you the truth I didn’t meet a European anti yet, I mean no anti-DBSK or anti-JYJ. I don’t know why, maybe this whole let’s-worship-our-stars is not really custom here so we don’t feel the need to jump against each others throat because of a singer. And the other possible answer is that most of the fans in Europe are more on the mature side age-wise. Not necessarily old, but 20+ or older because as you know in Europe everybody speaks a different language and you need English to find these kind of stuff on the internet for real. But English being a foreigh language to all you need certain number of years to reach a certain level of understanding of the language so you can freely find valid info about things existing on the other side of Earth only, like an Asian boyband. So those who know about the boys at all are not really the young teenage girls.
European fans are almost all without exception OT5s but not like BigEast. We know about the separation and their activities apart from each other but most European fans support both side and are genuinly happy with their achivements. Both with HoMin’s and JYJ’s too. To get back to your question, everybody in the European fanclub are dying to see JYJ already and are desperate for any info they can find out. But they would be the same if HoMin would want to hold a concert in Berlin.
@vik720
“What percentage? I’d say null. To tell you the truth I didn’t meet a European anti yet, I mean no anti-DBSK or anti-JYJ.”
I really have to say…. Thank You so much for all of the good, really interesting information you’ve given today. I really enjoyed reading your description of the European fans just now, too. I feel like I now have a far better understanding of them, I learned something I didn’t know before and that’s enough to make my day any day of the week. I felt really uncomfortable asking you that question about whether the link to the blog/Facebook page you provided was going to be full of maniac OT5 fans or not, but really, it’s a concern of mine because of all of the blogs out there where that is exactly the case.
I think liking and following JYJ should always be a joyous event, so I guess I just didn’t want to steer people to potentially biased information. (I’ve been sent to places before that were pretty outrageously biased and it can be infuriating.) But anyway, thanks again and I’ll look forward to reading your next posts.
Lucky lucky European fans. How i wish i could go, but im stuck in school :’-|
Get ready world, JYJ is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
European fans give JYJ your full support please!
JYJ fightiiiiing!! <33
Please keep on support the boys , hope they can make everything happen !!!!!
Love JYJ …… Hwaiting !!!!!
V@_^V
I will be there
I forced my cousin and aunt to go jajajaja
Europe must show its love for JYJ
That’s what I’m talking about. More positive attitudes like this will make the concert a success! Fighting!!
Aaah so want to go to the concert in Spain but really wanted a VIP or priority ticket to make it worthwhile. I wish openmusic were clearer with all the package deals because they are offering only the normal tickets and no other types. I don’t know why they don’t come to London. Plenty of fans here!!! I hope everyone has a good time in Barcelona..
Also can we respect other people’s opinions about the situation. Everyone has a different experience of the whole thing and so we can learn from eachother. There is no need to claim that someone is trying to ruin it for others by claiming that the whole situation is a mess. I think we are all just cautious because of incidents that have happened in the past and so emotions are running high. Let’s keep this a happy and jyj loving community. Xxx