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Wonderful. Love the idea. Not sure where to start, though. JYJ3 is the best.
Hello Lisa. Thanks for starting things off.
Since, this is a weekly discussion board, I would like to suggest that posters please put the time in your posts also. So it will be easier to follow the sequence of conversations.
12:41 AM
I agree, the time makes sense. Gives the comment perspective.
I thought it might help, but I can see how it can get bothersome to do. So maybe instead of a time with every post, just make a page break post for each day. Whatever the case, I’m sure it will work itself out.
ps. I love your posts on positive quotes and poems.
@lisan
You’re welcome. I hope I can speak for my other quoting sisters…we share because we can, and because we hope we can make a difference in the lives of others for the better. I doesn’t cost a thing.
I don’t think that would be helpful. We all have different time zones so posting the time will just make things more confusing. Wouldn’t the order of posts (and the date that’s automatically posted) be sufficient?
I will stalk my good debate sisters here
Hello there kekekekekekek ^_____________________^
Yuuup anyone know about jyj trial in japan????????? PLEASE SHARING this situation for i-fans !!!!!!! (errr i don’t know much about it ehehehehe xp)
OHHH and what is different about weibo and baidu??????
weibo is like a combination of tumblr and twitter. baidu is a search engine like google.
@kexion thank you
So far….this is as much as I can remember…..
1. ZAK pulled out of the lawsuit because of issues
2. JYJ contract with Avex in a 3-year long contract
3. Avex is suing because they claim JYJ broke the contract by holding unofficial activities in Japan
4. C-Jes is suing for compensation on lost profits from the blocking of the concerts and activities, and the CEO is asking for personal compensation for ruining images. Also, they are asking whether the contract hold true legally.
5. Apparently ‘it is claimed’ that Avex side stated that they would be easier of some JYJ activities in Japan….because Homin are making a lot of money for them still (who knows if this will hold true though)
Please correct me if I am wrong ^^
@JJ=oxygen (@PheonixiaJJ): About 2VXQ, I heard their contract with AVEX will expire this July 2012. Haven’t heard anything about the renew one.
Oh nice~
Then let’s start! XD
About Jae’s character Kyung-Tak in Dr Jin.
What do you think about the character and how he will turn out in the end?
What do you hope to see about his character?
hmmm heyyy sis wanna ask.why everyone in DB (Dramabeans) said jaejoong saeguk too fast and weird.but why korean news praised about jaejoong????i’m very confused about it (sorry my english very poor)
Well, I don’t see how people who don’t even speak the language have the cheek to comment on the way he speaks when Koreans themselves hold good impression of Jae.
When it comes to Sageuk speech, there are 2 factors – tone and cadence/flow. Jaejoong definitely has the tone correct, but what some watchers are picking on is his flow, those who have watched a lot of Sageuk dramas are saying he is too fast, or are comparing him to the other veteran actors. Now this is a bit unfair, as this is his first Sageuk drama and by episode 2, he was already at a good pace. I am sure with future episodes he will be even better. To give another example, if you watched the drama Dong Yi, with Han Hyo Joo, an actress who was attempting Sageuk for the first time, there were issues with her Sageuk speak also, but her problem was opposite, she had the flow down, but her tone was off.
@lisan
Thank you for your informative input, Im learning a lot from you about proper appreciation of Sageuk speech. I’ll keep this in mind when I watch Dr. Jin and all Sageuk dramas in the future.
Without any knowledge about this, honestly I had difficulty immersing myself to the role of Han Hyo Joo in Dong Yi. There was something missing in her portrayal of that role. I thought she also lacked the appropriate facial expression or projection at certain parts. She didn’t move me that well unlike her portrayal in Shinning Inheritance. So maybe it was her Sageuk speech?
Thanks!
@jyj1214,
. I love Sageuks; they were my primary Kdrama for a while. I do agree with you about Dong Yi. As much as I enjoyed Han Hyo Joo in her other roles, I felt there was something missing from her Dong Yi performance. She over used the startled rabbit look (staring straight at the camera, act shocked, camera lingers, then scene fades). That drama also had a lot of issues, not related to her, such as dragging a lot in the middle, due to the unnecessary episode extension.
If you like Sageuks, I would recommend –
Dae Jang Geum (a classic)
Yi San (starring the lovely Han Ji Min)
If you like historical dramas, I can also recommend some good ones from other countries.
To Lisan
Yes, I loooooove “Dae Jang Geum” That one is really one of the best Sageuk.
A classic, one of the best Korean Dramas ever made. It is truly a treasure.
@lisan
Oh please do recommend to me Sageuk and historical dramas worth watching. I love viewing these type of dramas. Then i can join you in discussions here. Whenever I can , i would watch these in marathon during long holidays or i take a few days leave to distress myself from work. Thank you so much @lisan..
@jyj1214,
You are welcome
. Here are some you might enjoy.
Japan – Gou ~ Himetachi no Sengoku
China – Schemes of a Beauty
Thailand – Wanida (period drama vs. historical)
Korea – Yi San
Thank you so much @lisan
I’ll surely watch these and start drafting my Sageuk Viewing Plan this year
I’ll update you
hmm… this is like a paraphrased post from my post on dr. jin on soompi… lol
I noticed that most readers of Dramabeans are fond of seniors/veteran actors… maybe bec. of age bracket also??? so i think they are 30-40++??? (e.g. they spazz on Lee Beom Soo (which is ?? for me since i don’t know him.. and would probably spazz on someone of a younger age?)
Haha
i dont think so, they are just really into Kdrama. I love Lee Beom Soo and am in early 20s.
What you were saying is actually remind me to those new kpop fans who spazz madly over those new debuted kpop acts and ignored the seniors in the field, they dont who Shinwa, TVXQ and JYJ are~ so yeah, i spazz over Jae but i respect LBS tremendously and admited that LBS’s acting is in its own league, that’s the ethics, imo.
Hi May.
I don’t think so too. I think they’re just involved in K-drama since the beginning of this K-drama hype started off. They also love younger good actor like Joo Won.
I like Lee Bum Soo too. Keep on declaring my interest on his acting on my blog. LOL. He’s my handsome ahjushi. LOL
lee beom soo is a great actor, thus whatever people say about his not so pretty appearance, i’d give him much much more admiration that i’d give to song seung hun.
@noiha
“lee beom soo is a great actor, thus whatever people say about his not so pretty appearance, i’d give him much much more admiration that i’d give to song seung hun.”
Really? Are people really not liking Song Seung Hun?? I think he’s dreamy.
If I had a Dr that looked like SSH I’d be going to the doctor’s ALL THE TIME. lol
This isnt particularly about sageuk tone, but awhile ago, I found a news about experts assesed idols who venture into acting in drama and actually Jae’s score is under average.
And folks in dramabeans are particularly critical and even cynical, they generally dont satisfied by acting of all Dr Jin leads except Lee beom so an lee seo yeon.
Oh, and they make fun of Song Seng Hun ALL THE TIME XD, so yeah, if you couldn’t handle that level of critic and cynic better stay away from DB.
Dramabeans, Seoulbeats, and all those other sites are just amateur fans writing their opinions. They are just regular people (and not Korean), like all of us. They aren’t professionals or anything, so don’t put a bit of value in anything they say. Don’t let it bother you. ^^ I even have known some of the people who write for one of those sites and they are in no way professional; they are just regular fans with their own biases. I have no idea why people put any stock in those sites at all. (no offense!)
er… not to defend Dramabeans or whatever, but actually javabeans is korean… along with girlfriday (more specifically korean-americans, and they are very fluent in korean). i’m not sure about the rest of the recappers on her site tho… and her site has been up for a really long time. of course with any recap, the episode is seen from the recapper’s po,v so of course the post reflects the writer’s personal biases and dislikes.
i can’t say the same about seoulbeats tho as i don’t know anybody there/ don’t visit that site. but that’s like another akp site. and well, it doesn’t matter if they are professional journalists/ writers or personal bloggers/ recappers, some sort of bias will still come up in their work. it’s actually impossible to be 100% unbiased.
I think KT is a character that lives under alot of pressure. Currently, his only reprieve is YR’s existence and the hope that she’ll be his wife when he gains enough strength. As the story progresses and YR turns towards Jin, we can expect that he’ll become somewhat antagonistic in a bid to get her back. But judging from the fact that he’s generally a good person if not for his circumstances, it might be a very sad ending where he sacrifices himself to save someone (maybe YR, Jin, his father).
What I hope for is that the script will show his psychological changes in a reasonable manner. KT is not a man of many expressions so the only way to showcase JJ’s acting skills is through his inner world. If it’s not well-paced and there are too many sudden developments, it’ll be a turn off to viewers. I also hope KT will become someone who can defy the rules/social order for what he believes in, but then again I don’t want him to join the side that’s politically opposed to his family.
Alright, that’s my brief thoughts for now.
My sentiments exactly.
I hope the writer will concentrate on his inner developments or changes gradually.
I don’t mind if he turns out “bad” but it has to gain the viewers understandings through the circumstances first XD
Eventually I think he may repent and “sacrific himself” to save other characters.
T^T earn the tears of viewers.
@kexion, same! Agreed.
hello!! well, i think Kyung-Tak is a character that will receive a lot of pain and rejections,his capabilities and good heart will be neglected BUT his the character that will steal the heart of the viewers. as the drama progress Kyung-Tak might a little bit lean towards being the antagonist, but the kind of antagonist that has values and principles that viewers will come to understand instead of hate , and eventually a character that will never be forgotten.
But seriously i want to see a Sword Slashing-Martial Arts Expert- Flying-Fierce warrior Kim Kyung-Tak. the gun and horse is cool too,but yeah. And i’m really curious for the scenes of Jae and Lee Bum-soo(they don’t have a scene together yet),so far i can’t connect their character together, will they go againts each other, or will they be fond and help each other.
@blueazzure
im curious, were pistols available already during that time?
im used to seeing swords, spears, bows and arrows
and i want to see the fierce-sword-slashing-flying scenes too, with Takkie’s long mane and bangs down, in black warrior attire [dunno how to call it].
@jyj1214
Yes, pistols were used. In “The Immortal Yi Shun Shin” (sp), they were used. This story took place during that period and was the era of Korea’s entry into modern naval supremacy. They kicked Japan’s ass!
You must remember the time period. This was the same time period of the Am. Civil War. Hand pistols were widely in use then.
11:13 AM EDT
@shadow, I kinda expect that he turn really evil and then repent.
What do you think about the character and how he will turn out in the end?
KyungTak…. I think he character is quite heart breaking and not for the romantic aspect but his family issues. Today when I saw him reaching out for his father hand and then his brother kicking him I wanted to cry. The epitome of being unwanted.
He is so full of so many different emotions inside, but is a pretty dark character, I think.
What do you hope to see about his character?
As other people said: a reasonable development.
I don’t want him to turn out good and lovely out of nowhere. I Kind of see how he can turn into a even darker character and I would love to see an evolution while they explain more about KyungTak inner troubles.
I hope that the Dr.Jin – YR loveline is just a trick and eventually when DR. Jin comes back to modern world he gets to realize that Kyung Tak- YR are great great grandparents or something who didnt like each other at first but end up having bazillion kids LOLL
@jenknight18
Good plot you have here ^^ Takkie and YR having bazillion kids, can’t help but all smiles XD
@Carmila
I so appreciate your two questions.
I agree KyungTak is very sad and heartbreaking. He’s at the mercy of social constraints that treat even legitimate second, and third sons with less than respect than they deserve. So how unsettling is it that being the son of a concubine makes him even more vulnerable. My Western sensibilities just don’t like all the subjugation issues. I hope for development sake, KyungTak manages to find himself on the terms he wants to set for himself. I know this must be asking a great deal, but I’m going to keep hope alive.
What I hope to see about his character is that he learns it’s okay not to be what everyone else wants you to be. Those in power use and manipulate so much they never see anything but what they want to see. If he has any desire to be a strong man, learn that life is what you make come rain or shine. At the end of the day, your conscience is whom you will go to bed with each and every night.
I never saw the Japanese Dr. Jin so I have no comparisons. Here’s hoping the script writers tighten up a number or loose ends and make the story more cohesive. There is plenty of time for this to happen. I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
12:48 AM EDT
What do you think about the character and how he will turn out in the end?
I think there are so many things the writer can do with KT. A large part in the MR-KT line is her brother. Apparently her brother was KT’s best friend growing up, but he is also now a leader of the thief group. There are three things that can come out of KT finding out the truth about his best friend
a. He finds out and decides to keep his secret because of their friendship and his love for MR; but hurts himself in the process (career wise maybe….aka he may lose his position?)
b. He accidentally kills her brother and after finding out he feels pained at doing so…and MR can’t forgive him (He may let her go)
c. He decides to be hard on the brother, after finding out MR-HJ’s feelings for each other
It’s hard to see in what direction, or what side KT will choose. He already owes HJ because he saved his fathers life, but is still suspicious of him and also jealous. He may choose to stand by his fathers side or may leave his side. He seems to be leaning towards ‘Catholic’ teachings with no class divisions. So he may start to open his mouth and start finally voicing his opinions. So far he just keeps quiet about his real thoughts. OR because MR drives him away and causes him pain he may get lost in his fathers political games and become ‘evil’.
What we do get a sense of right now is that while MR cares about the poor, KT doesn’t. As a officer he seems mean because he has to ‘prove’ himself to the world, but to MR and her family he is warm hearted. We also notice that KT is someone who can be reasoned with. He can change his thoughts or actions based on how others convince him to act. For example, when everyone was telling him to just let his father rest, he trusted in HJ instead. Also, when his father was having a party, he let LBS’s character in at HJ’s request even though he wasn’t invited.
He also seems to have a ‘naive’ nature that always hopes for the best. When he told MR to come to the party, he did not seem to expect or think about how the other nobles would mock MR’s family. Also, he did not really seem to care about those people hurting MR with their words. He just wanted her to look at him.
He is being restrained down….and is always told that he is less than he actually is. It will be interesting to see how he breaks out of what others expect of him….and finally start taking initiative.
What do you hope to see about his character?
In the end I just hope he doesn’t die ‘sacrificing’ himself for someone. I also hope, that the actions he takes in the future….the choices he makes….lead to the proper rewards/penalties.
If the writer chooses to portray him as a a character that still has a warm heart throughout then I hope he does not spend the whole drama being kicked around by different people. I want him to take control of the situation as much as he can. And at least tell a few people off for how they behave towards him without just accepting everything.
Even if he ends up being a moral, sacrificing kind of character….I hope that instead of just carrying a one-sided love for the rest of his life….he finds someone else who has similar ideals to him and they create a loveline.
More than anything else….I hope that if he continues being good….then in the end he doesn’t settle for less than he deserves.
for me honestly..I more like Jae role and act in PTB..Jae act stll a bit stiff in Dr.Jin. I hope he can pull through the role. But as whole I love this drama.. I love drama about medical stuff.. I hope this drama will concentrate about medical not love line..hehe~~~
i like jj in PTB ^^. but i love jaejoong in sunao.and very love this dorama (maybe some people said this drama sooooo boring but i LOVE IT XD couse message in this drama very important to me ehehehehe XD) and DOCTOR sooooo cute and love his smile : D
me too…I think Jae act in sunao very good…i like the story and Jae are so adorable and cute..
Jae act stll a bit stiff in Dr.Jin.
This is the same criticism that Yoochun had in SKKS, but people tended to forget that Sunjoon was stiff! That was his character and Yoochun played him perfectly.
I think that Jaejoong is in the same type of role. Kyung-Tak has to be hard and emotionless, or he has to appear that way. I’m hoping that we will see that it is Kyung-Tak’s acting that is shaky, that he is not completely comfortable with what he has to do in his job, (that it’s not Jaejoong’s acting that is at fault for the inconsistencies). We will have to wait for a few more episodes to be sure.
I so agree.
It’s the character he’s portraying and that character is supposed to be like that.
Yes, as everyone keeps reminding him, Kyungtak is the son of a concubine with almost no status, yet he is desperately trying to please his father. He pushes himself to be perfect: the most skilled martial artist, the best officer, the most filial son. For a young man like this who is trying so hard, stiffness is to be expected.
@ Eliza and @ shadow
I guess the stiff/awkward comment is natural for first one/two episodes.. but once he got the hang of it.. i know Jaejoong can get it down the way Yoochun got his sageuk footing around 5th episode in SKKS.. it takes time.. so critics should at least consider a certain adjustment period .. however.. we really have the judgemental people.. who gives comment on the basis that he is an idol.. but i know Jae can prove people wrong in a short amount of time..
@jenknight18
You have a point here, perhaps Jae is sitll adjusting to the role and everyone in the production from the director, to actors and staff-and the role itself.
Two episodes will be too early to judge, although the reviews on his acting and transformation have been very positive and appreciative, shifting the focus and interest on jae’s character more than the other leads.
Both @Eliza and @shadow have a point too, perhaps that’s how the character of Takkie should be—
Well we just have to wait and see, its really too early to tell. I agree with you @jen, i have great faith in Jaejoong. Knowing Jae’s own standards for himself and how hardworking he is, he’ll prove a lot of people wrong in the end. Criticisms will ignite more his enthusiasm to show and be his best. Its a matter of time…
Speaking of time, as for me, i’ll have to content myself with pics, gifs, caps, news, reviews for now.
I will have to wait till Dr. Jin is finished airing so i can watch it marathon
My satisfaction and assessment for now is only vicarious.
Thank you so much for your posts, i’m learning a lot!
ladies do u know what I like most Kim Hyung Tak character,it was made up in this korean version there was no character like that in Japanese dr.jin so nothing to compare unlike other character & writer has freedom on the character he can put focus & flow on this character anyway he want depending on Jae.Kim hyung tak is new & own by jae will make further by jae.
@jenknight18 & jyj1214
I agree that it’s natural for actors to take some time to get to know their characters. I usually give a series 6 episodes to let the actors get their feet. What bothers me is that all actors do that. I think why Yoochun and Jaejoong are being pointed out as “wooden” is that they are restrained in the presence of this stranger (the character they are trying to play) whereas I noticed many Korean actors tend to go over-the-top almost into parody for the first few episodes.
11:20PDT
Hi @Eliza
I know, but as for me I would rather that Jae would develop and integrate himself fully into his role as he progresses along with the story line, rather than over-exaggerate his portrayal in the beginning to make an impact yet eventually unable to hold it on and flop. I notice this in some Kdramas, which is very disappointing. The bigger challenge is for him to portray his character, display the necessary gamut of emotions, project the complexity of issues he is struggling to tie up, in a very realistic manner so the viewers can relate, yet in controlled and not exaggerated way, and hold it up to the end. With Dr. Jin, as @Zan JYJ pointed out, Jae’s character would be the most flexible and he will have the challenge and opportunity to introduce it to us with his own trademark. I bet this will add to Jae’s vigor and enthusiasm to showcase his best.I hope this drama has good writers too. Let’s just wait. Thanks.
And demn softsub is really take long time…I waited about 1 week to watch ep2 of Dr.Jin…I take sub from darksmurf…so slow..can anyone suggest better place to download sub??tq.
Try asia tv…
viki if its banns in your area use ultrasurf or hotspot shield to make it available
I’, from Malaysia..cannot open vikii..okay I will try your suggestions..thanks @liza n @zan
i get my softsubs from here -> http://coolwhipkpop.blogspot.com/2012/05/k-drama-time-slip-dr-jin-english.html
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3:15 PM EDT
@BAF Missed you all too.. been busy around and distracted by twitter ahahahah.. i speak too much there that i get lazy to post here.. but anyway .. i love this Open Discussion Thread.. brings a bit of spice to our fangirl minds ^______^
@jenknight18
hi sis, welcome back again “the original ninja” – *waves*
this section will surely exercise my cerebral prowess [if i have one, lol]
but i love the idea now [coz initially i was not in favor of 2 gapps]
Now i see the wisdom of Admin in creating this, THANKS SO MUCH ADMIN!
and for @intoxicatedbyjunsu for starting the discussion
Reading the posts today is already stirring & stimulating my brain cells,
I will have to do warm up first by reading all posts and reflect.
happy homecoming sis, keep coming back, we need your views and inputs
*waves back* am i out that long?? i thought i was just creeping in and out.. ninjaing ^_______^
ok!!hmm about JYJ situation in Korea…why i see JYJ fans in Korea really calm,??cant they do some rally not just petition..huhu..I thought Cassies all .a bit crazy fanatic right??just curious~~..
At least fans r trying… How abt jyj’s artist friend. Wander how they feel. How come they didn’t help. & then the court, why the hell thay be so slow & accept every1 of sm excuse. Sigh…!!!
The situation isnt easy. What do you expect Fans, Fellow artist, or anyone related to JYJ do?
I don’t think the problems existing now will take the Korean JYJ’s Fans to be able to change quickly, it take time. It’s complicated too as there are powers (SM, backdoor, unspoken restriction) obstructing uri JYJ. It is very frustrating but they are trying. We, as their International JYJ’s Fans will be there for them and be strong too, aren’t we?
I don’t understand what you want them to do. Rallies are illegal in Korea without a permit, and it wouldn’t do any good anyway. There are protests constantly on all kinds of much bigger issues and they are ineffective. You want them to all get arrested and go to jail, what? And actually JYJ’s fans aren’t particularly crazy, nor are they “Cassies”. Most lunatic fans are young kids who like newer groups. The JYJ fans who DO act like lunatics also support SME, in general. So, yeah.
Whoever said their artist friends should help – I don’t think they want their own careers to end. That’s not really fair to them.
I just really don’t get what anyone thinks the fans can do. Are you able to effect change in your own country? :\ I would say all the fans’ actions so far have actually hurt JYJ because they have, in a larger way, made SM stronger (formation of KMP, official government support, etc.)
I’d agreed with pretty much everything you said until I read your last sentence. Are you saying that fans shouldn’t do anything at all and just let SME trample all over JYJ? Without the fans’ actions, SME has already been determined to remove JYJ out of the picture. Fans are what have kept them alive until this day. A fandom may not effectively make great changes to a country, but it certainly raises pubic awareness about that certain issue. Even more so, when you love someone, you can’t just sit by and do nothing when you see that person facing obstacles. SM may get stronger like you said, but JYJ’s fans are also growing up, becoming more united and more determined to support the boys in any way possible. Small step at a time, if nothing is done, nothing will be changed.
“SME has already been determined to remove JYJ out of the picture” … This gave me some thoughts. First of all, I am not SM lover, I hate them. And I am db5k fan and still support the other 2. Pls don’t bash me. This is to explain why I went to watch “I AM” movie of SM town artists.
They used Junsu name 2,3 times in that movie. I really have no idea why they didn’t edit out those conversations. Are they still using J.Y.J member/s name for commercial profit ? They showed DB5K & Y.J banners in the audiences too. Why they allowed that in their world-wide screening movie, if they want JYJ to be completely out of the picture. ? Anyone has any idea of what exactly SM is trying to achieve?
@Yuri_Micky: this is why we said SME has no shame and is full of conflicts. Just by looking at what SME has directly or indirectly done to JYJ, anyone can tell that SM wants to get rid of JYJ to make an example to all the singers out there that if you dare go against your company, you’ll be out of the entertainment industry. It’s so obvious that there’s no need to explain or prove my sentence that you quoted. On the other hand, SM still wants to sneak JYJ’s names or images in its marketing campaign whenever possible because it doesn’t wanna let JYJ go. Why? Because of its ego and because JYJ’s a big cash cow. It may not even bother to edit out DB5K & YJ banners because it’s useless to do so. Fans will still bring those to concerts. New fans who get to know TV2XQ, when searching for information, or past songs of them, will automatically discover their past as DB5K. Their history was too big to be hidden or erased.
@Yuri Micky (@Yuri_Micky2010)
simple answer to your thoughts… SME uses the JYJ – (Yoochun & Junsu I think) banners to gather more fans and profit… we all know that there are still others cassies who are die hard with db5k that would attend such events… that’s what you call advertisement… it is just a shame since SME uses JYJ’s members name and pictures to promote that movie even though the members don’t get paid a single cent for the promotion. Highly unethical.
2nd there are also new JYJ fans who are not familiar with the lawsuit, who could be mislead for such promotion and will end up being introduced with new idol group. Such a scam!
A very dirty trick way of advertisement/promotion… misleading people about the movie… if that happened to me, to promote someone in a movie who is not part of the movie… I’m pretty sure would request a refund for my ticket…
and as for angie’s comment “SME has already been determined to remove JYJ out of the picture”… banning them from all broadcast station and concert halls not only in Korea and also Japan, are ways of removing JYJ out of the picture, out of the entertainment world… too bad SME miscalculated JYJ fans who supported the group.
It’s really ironic for SME to use JYJ’s name for their own movie promotion whom they are banning from all broadcasting station and concert halls. Like any parasites who uses their hosts for their own benefit, a company such as SME is a parasite in the entertainment community.
In conclusion, SME is a highly unethical parasitic company who scams people, that would sell it’s soul to the devil just to gain money and power…
Yes.. Here is my thought. May be I am too optimistic. Bringing JYJ member names to their SM Town activity is somehow like advertising JYJ. Fans of SME new groups can be exposed to JYJ member and arise curiosity. I am sure, once the new fans found out who JYJ are and witness their talents, they can turn to JYJ fans.
@masi
“It’s really ironic for SME to use JYJ’s name for their own movie promotion whom they are banning from all broadcasting station and concert halls. Like any parasites who uses their hosts for their own benefit, a company such as SME is a parasite in the entertainment community.”
This is one of the best descriptions of SME ever written. Yes, they are parasites, I totally agree. Those of us who followed everything that happened from the beginning… i.e. starat of lawsuit…recognize what SM is up to. As has been mentioned, they have no shame.
To @Dr Jin, I respectfully disagree about the effect fans can have regarding this situation. If not for the Korean fans who took SM to task with the FTC, the contract of ALL artists in the music industry would not have been regulated to fairer terms. The fact that SM uses JYJ names and images, and voices is par for the course for these ‘parasites’.
Think about the fact that SM was counting on the fans to fall apart and leave JYJ stranded. This is what they really wanted. If this had occurred, in their minds, JYJ would come crawling home with their tails between their legs, like good little pets. Didn’t happen. A goodly number of fans said screw you SM and stuck with JYJ. Then SM did the unforgiveable and altered the Cassie membeship. This pretty much sealed it for the remaining Cassie who were trying to stick it out. They left. Then YC did SKKS and brought in another group of fans who appreciate JYJ for who they are, not what concept SM creates for their artists.
The scrambling around trying to block JYJ is yes a message to be sent to all the other artists. But you know what? It really doesn’t matter in the long run. Ultimately, the idol format used in SK is going to die a slow death because it is a failed format to begin with. Only the truly strong and talented will survive.
What is putting SM’s knickers in a twist, is the fact that JYJ’s international fanbase continues to grow and there is not a damn thing SM can do about it. Everything now is an act of desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. Mostly they act stupid. This pleases me to no end
3:31 PM EDT
@Yuri Micky (@Yuri_Micky2010)
one’s optimism doesn’t help JYJ but helps SME propaganda – more profit… how can a new fan be able to appreciate or get curious to JYJ in the movie when they didn’t do anything in it… JYJ won’t be able to capture this new fan for the fact that they are not part of the movie. will a picture get your attention while watching a movie? no, you’ll remember how the actors acted and what the story about but not the picture behind the actor… if I’m a new fan watching the movie… I won’t exert any effort to search those people in the pictures who were used for promotional purposes only, “why aren’t they part in the movie? maybe they’re not talented since they didn’t do anything in the movie.” this will be new fans thoughts…
Using JYJ for promotion is not to garner new fans for JYJ but to garner new fans for SME…
and it is still done unethically by SME to use them for promotion while destroying JYJ’s career by blocking them…
as an actor/actress or any person whose face or name are being use for promotion should be given a talent fee for such promotion, especially those who are really popular… but SME doesn’t pay JYJ… –
This is the reality what SME is doing to JYJ stealing one’s popularity to entice viewer for their own benefit, at the same time killing JYJ’s popularity by blocking their performances in all sides.
And besides JYJ doesn’t need SME for promotion… THEY-JYJ can pretty well promote themselves… not like SME who uses JYJ for promotion…
@butterfliesarefree2
Hi! it’s been awhile now… through thick and thin we’re still here…
“What is putting SM’s knickers in a twist, is the fact that JYJ’s international fanbase continues to grow and there is not a damn thing SM can do about it. Everything now is an act of desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. Mostly they act stupid. This pleases me to no end
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What can SME do, with the growing JYJ international fanbase but to ride on JYJ’s popularity… I’m just gonna be like a broken record to say that business ethics is not part in SME vocabulary. I just feel bad to those fans who got duped by such company…
@masi
“What can SME do, with the growing JYJ international fanbase but to ride on JYJ’s popularity… I’m just gonna be like a broken record to say that business ethics is not part in SME vocabulary. I just feel bad to those fans who got duped by such company…”
Good to see you back!
Of course SME has no business ethics. Totally agree with you. If they had any in the first place, that ‘slave contract’ would never have been written. But I digress. Their shameful tactics of trying to ride on JYJ’s popularity is really nothing new. Just about every aspect of anyone’s entertainment industry uses this concept. It happens here in the great USA.
What SME does is they are going at it for the short haul. This is their modus operandi. Hit and run if you will. Go for the instant bucks, then on to the next greatest thing. What they don’t comprehend too well is that in this day and age, short term gains will only carry you but so far. Take a look at the fiasco that was Facebook’s IPO.
Those artists who will still be around will be the ones with real long lasting talent…drumroll please…JYJ!
One other thing I would like to suggest to those who feel the pull between what SME/cohorts and the power structure, means JYJ will suffer because of public perception. Please go back and review what happened in this past legislative elections. Yes, the conservative party maintained their grip on the legislative body. BUT, and it’s a pretty big one if you ask me, the fancy foot work the CP danced was interesting to watch. How do you explain the fact they actually changed the name of their party to appear more favorably to the voting public. When you start to engage in this kind of behavior, it shows you are desperate.
Ok, you kept your majority. I’m still trying to find out by how much. But keeping power is the name of the game. If and only if Pres. Lee stays in power come the Nov. election, he will only have four more years, and that’s it. The progressives have been inching up and up. Once a new power player comes into focus, then society has a chance to evolve. I have learned in life, never say never.
SM can keep on trying to piggyback, but the one thing this fandom is good at…keeping track and having a LONG MEMORY. SM, you will not be able to continue doing this forever. Trust me.
6:06 PM EDT
@butterfliesarefree2
“The scrambling around trying to block JYJ is yes a message to be sent to all the other artists. But you know what? It really doesn’t matter in the long run. Ultimately, the idol format used in SK is going to die a slow death because it is a failed format to begin with. Only the truly strong and talented will survive.” 3:31 PM EDT
(okay, this is my first time replying and talking about this subject so i don’t really know if i’m any good)
i completely agree with what you’ve written in this paragraph and i have been thinking about this for quite a while
i think that not only SM is scared about the whole lawsuit thing, but the whole korean entertainment buisiness is
south korea may be trying to give democratic and modern look, but they are actually still far from that
(i’m not bashing SK, i’m really not, but this is what i have personally concluded)
rules and hierarchy are everthing but really EVERYTHING
jyj were just artists, working for the big boss and making him a lot of money without them being given their fair amount, they weren’t allowed to think that it actually wasn’t fair at all, that messing with their human rights is an okay thing, because they didn’t even knew
better when they signed their contract and became arrtists
About those contracts: there are people dissing them because they überhaupt signed them and they should have know better, but look at it, even someone as jung yunho signed it, doesn’t he come from a family were law is everything ?!
They were just blinded by their dreams, which is foolish but normal for boys their age
BUT they grew older, wiser, more experienced, … and they saw that everything was wrong, so they just did what i think is normal and ask for some changes, i think they didn’t even want a lawsuit at all in the beginning
)
AND what they hadn’t really been seen before and i think everyone got scared, that there would be a sudden flood of other artists ‘rebelling’ and in their little controlled world, they really can’t have that
look what happened with KARA, i don’t really know their story, but they suddenly went against their company
so to give the perfect example, block the singers jyj as much as possible and set THE example !
but soon or later the system will burst and i think it will become one dirty mess (probably interesting too but that’s the little disaster tourist in me speaking
@katy
Like anything else, things change. What all those folks who feel like giving JYJ short shrift because they dared to challenge the status quo fail to grasp, nothing stays forever.
When you are young and impressionable, eager and hungry, your eyes are wide with awe and your thirst is great, you are a sitting target. This, SME understands better than anyone else. The major key factor in SM’s rise to the top, is their marketing game. They do it like nobody else! Marketing is what they are good at. Caring about their artists not so much. They really don’t see them as human beings, only ATMs.
When you shove a contract under the nose of impressionable children and make no mistake, that is what all the members of DBSK were; and there is no legal representation for them, promise them the moon, the sun, and the stars, of course they are going to sign it. You bet your sweet bippy they will.
I have to laugh when I hear that argument. These folks all sound like jailhouse lawyers. Whatever.
The court in SK obviously has a different take on the matter seeing as how they have declared the contract a subjugating contract – slavery anyone? They simply stated, the contract was unfair because it favored only one side. What part of this don’t these jailhouse lawyers get? A contract cannot be onesided. Both parties have to get something out of it in fairness. One side does not get ALL the benefit and the other one the shaft. It just does not work this way.
I want all those who feel that it’s okay for the members of DBSK to get stiffed like this, to experience a similar situation and see how much they like it. Then come back and tell us of the fairness of said experience. Go on, I double D dare you! What it sounds to me is, they feel like someone peed in their cornflakes and they don’t like it. Too bad. Then don’t eat them. Find something else for breakfast.
We should all know better about a great many things. But somehow we still manage to do things we shouldn’t. Have I ever jaywalked? Yes. Have I ever run a red light? Yes. Have I been damn lucky nothing every happened when I did? Yes. I should know better to pay all my bills on time. Have I ever been late from time to time. Yes. But I take responsibility for my actions. I accept there will be consequences for them.
Life is filled with woulda, shoulda, coulda. But as long as we keep breathing, we have a chance to make it better. So it is with JYJ. They knew it was never going to get any better the way things were going. So, they did the next best thing. They made the decision to man up and take the risk to get something better for themselves, their families, and yes, us their fans.
Now they are experiencing what they should have had all along. Freedom. Freedom to make their own choices. Freedom to come and go when, where, and how they want to. Freedom to go to the bank and see their money. Freedom. It has a nice ring to it.
@BAFfie
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“Now they are experiencing what they should have had all along. Freedom. Freedom to make their own choices. Freedom to come and go when, where, and how they want to. Freedom to go to the bank and see their money. Freedom. It has a nice ring to it.
Call me a decadent westerner, but if I live to be a hundred I will never understand people in the 21st century who have a problem with the concept of “freedom.” And the admirable bravery of these three young men to go after their dream and get something better for themselves and their families.
Oh no no no, I don’t think fans should do nothing! I just think that, all things considered, in the long run the fans’ actions like petitions and such have actually helped SM solidify its place in Korean society and thus have hurt JYJ. My point being, it’s hard to tell what can actually, genuinely help JYJ, since SM seems to turn everything to their advantage. On the other hand, fans buying CDs and concert tickets have helped JYJ, but even those actions have a side that hurts JYJ because it has solidified the “industry” against JYJ. Overall, I don’t KNOW the best way to help JYJ! I just know that it really seems quite hopeless. Korean society is largely about covering up flaws, not correcting them, plus all Koreans see on the news is an exaggerated version of the spread of kpop around the world. Every kpop event, no matter how successful or unsuccessful, is used to bolster Korean nationalism, and since SM is responsible for a lot of those events, Korean adults support SM. . (Your point is very well taken! ^^)
And actually, fans aren’t really that united. Korean fans exclude foreign fans, Japanese fans exclude non-Japanese fans, and i-fans are very fragmented, largely because we are diverse. People have different ideas about what will help JYJ, and it’s hard to just blindly follow any random person who’s doing a “fan project.” For instance, I don’t personally (my personal opinion) see buying JYJ expensive gifts as a way of helping them, so I am cut off from all the fans that do think it’s valuable. And honestly i-fans are a little bit nasty and exclusionary toward anyone who doesn’t agree with them on every little point, as I’ve seen for the past many years, assuming those people are enemies with ulterior motives. I, too, see ulterior motives in a lot of fan behavior. C-JeS makes it worse (unintentionally) by the continued catering toward Japanese fans and the exclusion of i-fans from buying concert tickets.
@butterflies
Yes, some of what you say is true. SM did definitely get a nasty shock when people didn’t abandon JYJ. But I don’t think the complaint to the FTC helped JYJ. It helped everyone else, but not JYJ. It was morally right but it didn’t actually help JYJ. At least, I don’t think it did. I can’t actually see how it did. You have to realize that no one in Korea really realizes JYJ fans had anything to do with that; they have no idea all the things fans have done. There is no perception that anyone dislikes SM. I’m not saying the fans shouldn’t do anything, I’m just saying nothing seems effective and much of it has unfortunately helped SM.
And actually…I don’t think i-fans have a good grasp on SM’s situation in Korea, nor on the state of the SM-style business. It won’t die. Just really, it won’t. It will be propped up by the government, if need be, using taxpayer money. And the public won’t really object because they are told that SM is helping Korea’s image worldwide. Every time SM gets hurt, someone (the government, whoever) has their back because it’s “for the good of Korea.” SM wouldn’t be in that position if it weren’t for JYJ. While a few people outwardly said SM can’t be allowed to continue their current ways, in reality most people just want to hide the situation and pretend SM is wonderful, and promoting SM is the easiest way to do that. They will NEVER let SM fail because to do so would be admitting a weakness.
And as JYJ increase their international fanbases, so do other kpop artists, or at least there is the perception that they do. And actually, SM actively recruits foreign fans, flying them specially to Korea for events. C-JeS…well, C-JeS shuts them out of ticket sales. That is having an impact, sadly…
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
You bring up a lot of interesting points. They make me think a lot. I agree with you on many of your points….but also disagree on some. JYJ fans actions have not ruined JYJ’s reputation…..or hindered them in any way. If nothing else, those projects helped fans identify with a ’cause’ and become firmer supporters of JYJ. I also think that the fans that were genuinely concerned for the welfare of JYJ and supported JYJ in the fight against SME…..are the fans that will stay with JYJ for a LONG time…..even after their military duty is up.
I think that SME would have gotten ‘more’ popular anyways….and it WASN’T a result of JYJ fans actions….and the consequences thereof. A huge factor in the rise of popularity of SNSD was a. that DBSK disbanded and b. that SME stopped focusing solely on DBSK after that and put all their focus and effort into SNSD. As a result SNSD’s popularity rose dramatically in Korea. Also, it doesn’t hurt that SME is literally forcing SNSD down everyone’s throat by placing them everywhere (much like how Justin Bieber is in America).
Also, SME has already bribed their way into people’s pockets….WHILE DBSK existed….they also had their Korean sunbae and alumni connections. Also, LSM has a type of charisma where I noticed he can use his glib to get what he wants out of people. So…..even if JYJ fans did not do anything SME would have still be going down the same trajectory. JYJ fans support, if it did not effect the public….it DID effect JYJ! It gave them hope in an otherwise hopeless situation. It showed them that fans were still there and that they loved them….and gave them hope for the future again.
I also do think that SME will meet with less success as the years go on. Eventually SNSD is a fad that people in Korea will grow out of. They will age, their fans will find other hobbies, and SNSD will even get married/have relationships or move onto doing the music they individually want to do. SME cannot control these things. They will eventually happen as they do in every fandom. For Super Junior, they will go to the army, and other things will also reduce their fanbase.
With SME’s newer groups….Shinee is still does somewhat decently in Korea….but F(x) and Exo are almost flops. Considering the amount of money SME spent on Exo and promotions they did not get back as much. The thing is that the more groups SME is creating the less the groups make for the company and if this pattern continues their is only so much the ‘government’ in Korea can do to help them.
Of course, those groups still have a a large international fanbase…..but not many of those fans buy albums. The reality of pop is that even if a group is super popular internationally…..the majority of sales come from Korean fans. Even in Japan, i heard the Korean company only makes about 8-12% of the profit from sales. From my Korean friends I have heard that in Korea Exo is somewhat of a ‘joke’. Also, it doesn’t help that more and more groups are debuting. Some groups are more talented than others etc. Also, there is a reason why even the super-popular SNSD members are debuting in drama’s…..it is because those guarantee a longer term popularity.
SME is currently running on a hype machine. Even if their international concerts don’t sell out they state in media they do. Because they have so much power right now….no one really questions their claims in the media and SKorean citizens fall for the lies. Why do you think SME does this? They also really don’t care about international fans. But they also know that if they show Korea that they are so popular abroad that more Koreans will fall under the SME-charm and buy SME products.
There are many things against SME. Some of the biggest may be that when the government changes SME will lose backdoor power in Korea. Also, when all the people who are strike in Korea right now asking for freedom-of-speech in the media and the current broadcast CEO’s to retire……..when those people finally get their way, SME will also lose power.
@JJ=oxygen
It seems everyone is very defensive about what I said about the fan petitions not helping JYJ’s situation legally or in the public eye. I’m sorry, I just don’t think they did and I think they allowed SM a lot of outs. But I guess it’s impossible to calculate it out. It’s just my impression. I do wholeheartedly agree that fan efforts helped JYJ as people, though, and gave them enormous encouragement. Thank you for pointing that out!
I think I still disagree, however, that SM will run out of steam. You are correct that Exo is a flop in Korea, but if you ask most Korean adults they will tell you Exo is the next big thing that will bring glory to Korea. In fact, one actually used almost those exact words to me the other day, right after he informed me, an American, that SNSD is incredibly popular in America. As long as they have that mindset, they will allow the government to pour unlimited money and efforts into propping up SM. I guess time will tell. T_T
Last time I visited America I don’t think I saw a single Bieber thing anywhere. Bieber’s saturation is nooooothing like kpop’s (and especially SNSD’s) saturation in Korea. I literally cannot leave my house sometimes and I quit watching TV (except for Jaejoong’s commercial-less drama).
I feel like the only chance for change is if LMB loses this fall, but considering the outcome of the recent national elections I don’t have much hope. Or even if he does lose another guy just like him will probably wind up in office. Remember the guy that ran on a platform of getting rid of slave contracts and upon taking office immediately made exclusive contracts with SM? Yeah. T_T I’m such a pessimist.
@Yuri Micky,
Read your post, have an urge to tell you some of my affirmative points.
That JYJ survive well beyond LSM’s imaginary both at home and abroad.
1. LSM has been trying to enter the USA music market with his boa, and he has learned that it was costing him too much. At this moment, JYJ is his gateway into the world-wide market. Without paying JYJ, the settlement is on its way at the courtroom, extending their arms and wings into government to support the Hallyu wave, forming UAM in 2011to do the same acts, Keeping Homin alive with the TVXQ name to maximize their nationalistic kids and adults in their place.
2. LSM knows his SM’s idols are not real artists with their real creativities; all of their acts come from repetition. He can’t sell his idols with that same gimmicks to us, and he neither wants to spend money to advertise those idols nor collects more information on what makes western teenagers ticks here?
What he did recently—LSM quietly lets JYJ do all the works, sneaks up, and steals away JYJ spotlight. If he can’t make JYJ go away, why don’t he use them to his advantage. After all, JYJ are Korean. How would you name JYJ differently? JYJ pop or K-pop? Who can tell the differences?
It’s JYJ or TVXQ/JYJ.
When SME sycophants go on TV or announce K-pop news to the world.
Who have the time ? Separating the two entities? It’s all from Korea.
3. Remember the sneaky method he uses to discredit our YooChun and JJ’s popularity in their homeland with the saseang fan news. It’s dirty and shameful. That is when “made from Korea” products enter my boycott list.
4. LSM is not stupid. He knows his ability and what he is capable of doing. No matter how far, how much, or how evil LSM deeds are? He is not immortal and not invisible. People will find out. What, when and how the people will do to him? It is slowly be written in JYJ’s book through the international communities around the world ( JYJ I-fans map).
5. The card LSM is playing right now, It’s to tell everyone including us I-fans here that he is above the laws but only in SK. LOL. He is playing psychology with us here.
6. Time is on JYJ side. SM can’t sell anything to the western teens without JYJ’s name yet. LSM and the SK president know this fact too well without these I-fans supporters, there won’t be any hallyu waves.
7. JYJ will survive in their homeland and abroad in order for the waves to spread out. JYJ successes are the test for K-pop market. Is there a market for K-pop waves in this economy? Believing on this fundamental event, JYJ will have their music stage in SK very soon. Politic and economy are needed for each other right now.
8. JYJ will be the next generation for the Korea music entertainment. If they decided to take JYJ out of this music equation, the k-pop house of cards will slowly collapse in this economy.
9. LSM can’t afford big spending without the help of the government to spread the waves. But the young people in the western county have no excitement to see the SK politician except when they mention the name JYJ. Other k-pop names are not that excited compare to JYJ image and mighty spirit. Dare to fight the injustice that what make us the western so willing to embrace JYJ spirit.
Those are my time lines for the affirmative debate.
@Dr Jin
I can appreciate the fact that you are in SK and have more actual information than I, an i-fan. I also seem to sense you have some bad or unfavorable experiences being a foreigner in SK. If I’m wrong, I apologize. But the claims you are making about SME’s power and how the international fandom could possibly be hurting rather than helping JYJ, for me aren’t that foreboding.
Regarding SME’s postition in SK, I am under no delusions whatsoever as to their standing. As I’ve stated, marketing is SM’s strongest suit. They know how to play this game, they are the masters of it. Yes, having cronies in all the right places does help. The media is so complacent, this could probably be construed as conspiracy if any charges were filed. Collusion at the very least.
But again, we are also dealing with perception here. Whatever the public who follows kpop sees and hears is controlled. When you do not have a free press, you have an uninformed citizenry. At the present time, SM is getting by on smoke and mirrors. This can happen in any country. It’s going on here in the U.S. with this Teabagger party nonsense. Fox (Faux) news. But in a real democracy, you also have media that can counteract junk news info like this. This is where the U.S. has a leg up on SK.
Yes, the change in contracts mostly helped all the other artists, but JYJ doesn’t need to have the same contracts as the others. They have it better than those who are under exclusive mgmt contracts. When CJeS signs a performance contract for JYJ, JYJ makes the profit after paying all their bills. It doesn’t get any better than this. ALL monies coming to JYJ are theirs to keep. Can the artists in those other companies say the same thing?
JYJ would not be able to garner requests to use their image to promote at home or abroad if they were the scum of the Earth. The associations and agencies that request them to stand as ambassadors know what they are doing. They know these three young men represent what is good about SK, otherwise they would not request them. These associations and organizations also represent, the people of SK. So where is the downside?
In any situation there are negatives and positives. SM has a history in how to create the image it wants, so did Enron. Look what all that image creating did for them. They were not too big to fail. Granted we are talking different cultures here, but the same principle. Look around the world and see what is happening. Governments and dictators are falling like apples from a tree. No where is it written that this can’t happen to SM or the current SK government. People can get tired of the same old same old. I repeat, nothing lasts forever.
@JYJ=oxygen
“SME is currently running on a hype machine. Even if their international concerts don’t sell out they state in media they do. Because they have so much power right now….no one really questions their claims in the media and SKorean citizens fall for the lies. Why do you think SME does this? They also really don’t care about international fans. But they also know that if they show Korea that they are so popular abroad that more Koreans will fall under the SME-charm and buy SME products.
There are many things against SME. Some of the biggest may be that when the government changes SME will lose backdoor power in Korea. Also, when all the people who are strike in Korea right now asking for freedom-of-speech in the media and the current broadcast CEO’s to retire……..when those people finally get their way, SME will also lose power.”
Even with all that you stated above, the media still feels the need to also post what JYJ is doing. Yes, they put in kpop terms, but that is par for the course. Quite frankly, I don’t think JYJ would have it any other way. Just my opinion. But the funny thing is, when you don’t continue to venture forth in that international market, people will beging to ask questions.
I’m going to take a stab and give you an answer for your question – Why do you think SME does this? – They don’t want the people to see that the Emperor has no clothes?:-)
The best part of your comment was in the last part. This. Change is going to come to SK, it is inevitable. It may not come as fast as we international fans would like, but it will happen.
Your comments regarding your Korean contacts are very interesting. Given that those perceptions from Koreans on the ground point out what many of us feel is really happening, nice to know. SM’s almost fanatical drive to produce more and more is ultimately going to be their undoing. There is a reason, the other members of the Big Three don’t waste their resources this way…it’s called smarts.
@ Dr Jin sub-wanter
“@JJ=oxygen It seems everyone is very defensive about what I said about the fan petitions not helping JYJ’s situation legally or in the public eye. I’m sorry, I just don’t think they did and I think they allowed SM a lot of outs. But I guess it’s impossible to calculate it out. It’s just my impression. I do wholeheartedly agree that fan efforts helped JYJ as people, though, and gave them enormous encouragement. ”
I’ll tell you one thing the fans appear to have done to help JYJ: in the last 2 years or so they have gone from near penniless toilers for SM’s greater prestige, glory and enrichment (Yuchun and his family were going to be evicted from their home for non-payment when they went to LSM and asked for a re-negotiation of their payscale) to multi-millionaires. This influx of cash has of course helped them finance their team of lawyers in their pursuit of justice. I think needless to say we all understand that without large and very deep pockets, most artists would never be able to mount the continuing defense that JYJ has — it’s EXPENSIVE to do what JYJ is doing, that’s one of the tings SM counts on when keeping its charges toeing the line. With *what* money will they sue the company?? They have no money – that’s the problem.
@Dr. Jin
Actually I am processing what you are saying. I do know currently though that SNSD and BigBang are like the ‘Gods’ of kpop in Korea. I also know that SNSD is all over the place =____= It is SME’s marketing strategy to make them in-your-face. But I still stand by my point that SME eventually will end up making less and less profit. One day the ‘cute’ girls of SNSD will want to grow up….and SME can only do so much to shackle them up. SME will start losing steam when SNSD members decide to do more solo activities, drama’s, or get married (or have a scandal with another male). In Korea it is still mostly the male population that adores SNSD (so I’ve heard)……but what they adore is SNSD’s young fresh faces, aeygo and virginal concept. One day this will not hold true….and ‘poof’ their goes your money.
I also do think the government will back SME for a long time……even if they are losing profits in the long run.
SME’s biggest weakness is that they only know how to fully promote one group in their roster mostly…..the others are treated like backup. Case in point, SNSD only got super popular after DBSK disbanded….before that it was DBSK that was given most of SME’s budget for its albums.
Also, even though SNSD is everywhere, everyone and their mothers know that they are not naturally talented. The Koreans I’ve spoken to say that it seems that Korea loves idols, but more and more people are getting frustrated with the over-use of idols and are going towards loving the indie-scene.
Also, Japan is a key in the Hallyu propaganda machine. Once Japan gets over the KPop fad (when every random group stops bringing in money) is where the KPop downfall will initially begin from. SNSD in Japan is popular whith Kpop fans….otherwise they are not that popular in Japan. Japan already has their sexy or cute girls……and they have AKB48.
@butterfliesarefree
I’m sorry if you’ve misunderstood me, but I never intended to convey that INTERNATIONAL fans’ actions have hurt JYJ. I was talking about all of the various things ALL fans have done: the petitions, the “keep TVXQ as 5!!” newspaper ads back in the day, all of it. And I didn’t mean they have conclusively hurt JYJ, just that, well, they kind of have maybe. But if the fans hadn’t done those things, then who knows where we’d be now. But please know I wasn’t laying this on i-fans. I signed those petitions too!!
@butterfliesarefree2
You have enlightened me. “Everything now is an act of desperation. Desperate people do desperate things. Mostly they act stupid. This pleases me to no end
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@ masi (@masiling1)
When Suju member(I forgot his name) mentioned Xiah Junsu in the movie, the whole cinema cheered and screamed very very loud. That’s why I said new fans or non fans who happened to watch the movie may arise curiosity. They may want to know who is this guy, why his face isn’t in this movie? why people cheered & so exicited for a name without face?
I got what you mean. Too much optimism will not help JYJ !!
@Yuri Micky (@Yuri_Micky2010)
I know what you mean… but for the fact that SME had used JYJ in the movie, a name without the face wouldn’t leave any impression to people.
No matter what, @ the end of the day, we still sums up what is right and what is wrong. And what SME did to JYJ is still wrong… using someone without consent is still wrong no matter what’s the outcome will be. and let’s not forget how SME are treating JYJ right now…
that is why SME is using JYJ for their own benefit not the other way around… JYJ didn’t ask SME to use them for promotional purposes… nor asked them to be included their names in the movie… Everything is scripted, in other words they’re using JYJ to dupe the viewers.
Thank you Admins,
so now everybody will be happy hopefully !
A full week YAY! Thanks, Admins. Here’s the first essay:
I’ve just realized that all three guys have now had three acting roles each since leaving SME. Yoochun in SKKS, Miss Ripley and Rooftop Prince. Junsu in Mozart, Tears of Heaven, and Elisabeth. Jaejoong in Sunao ni Narenakute, Protect the Boss, and now Dr Jin.
It’s interesting that only two of these are really “leading man” roles — Tears of Heaven and Miss Ripley — and these are arguably the least favourite of all the performances (I can’t even remember the characters’ names). I think I know why, and I hope it will soften the calls for Jaejoong to “finally get the lead” in a drama.
The characters that I put in quotes as “leading men” are supposed to be an every man, someone everyone can relate to, someone that everyone can like. I tend to think of “leading man”-type actors as being very good at playing themselves. It is their personal charm that allows them success in the roles because the roles themselves are… generic. Characters like Mozart or Lee Sunjoon are very defined, the actors playing them have to risk being extreme, even unlikable. They are the leads, but they aren’t “leading men” roles.
Yoochun has a low-key personality and oozes so much charm he’s greasy with it (to use Jaejoong’s favourite expression
) He’s handsome, but he isn’t exceptional. He’s said himself that he was the only one (of the 5) that could walk unnoticed through a crowd. He could be the classic “leading man” without any problem, and he has the acting talent to make even those generic roles unique and memorable. Jaejoong and Junsu have the difficulty of being exceptional. They have striking looks and strong personalities. I’m not saying that they can’t do “leading man” roles — they’ve both proved their acting chops can well enough — but I think they are at their best when they can be in the part and don’t have to worry about getting the audience on their side.
Another advantage to the second lead comes from the (insane!) method of Korean drama production, the practice of “live writing.” I think that was a huge advantage for Jaejoong in “Protect the Boss”. When the writers saw what he was doing in the role, they started to write it for him. That isn’t as easy to do with the lead, who has a more defined character arc to move through.
Now this doesn’t mean that I don’t want to see Jaejoong in a lead in a drama, but I hope he takes care in choosing one with really great character rather than just to “get the girl.” (I have very high hopes for Jackal is Coming, by the way.
) And Junsu — is there life as a leading man after Death?
Hello Eliza, I love your essay….
I’m also optimistic Jaejoong role in the jackal will be very good, because Jaejoong starred as himself, a megastars beside that it also revolves around comedy right? but I applaud Jaejoong spirit when trying a new character I believe that in the future his acting will be improve
because Jaejoong starred as himself,
Oh, I hope not. That recipe for disaster has been over-done in his career already. He needs to create a completely separate character and hopefully there is enough in the script to help him do that.. That doesn’t mean that he can’t draw on his own experiences, but he can’t go into this with the idea that he’s playing himself. And I think he’s smart enough to know it.
i have high expectation for Jackal
I agree with you about Junsu and his ability in playing in “Leading Man”, JOON , his character in Tears of Heaven is one example of Leading Man, I saw a lot of Fancams (almost all scene with Junsu), he was good but isn’t as remarkable as Xiahzart or Xiahtod. Junsu is damn good in playing an extreme character, he can give chill from his presence alone in stage when he play Xiahtod, and all those raw emotions when his play mozart is hdsjgdefgewgj!! And there lies the problem for Junsu to act in Drama, imo. He is good in stage acting (a more exaggerated form of acting imo) but to act in a more subtle way in Drama, i dont think he get the tact yet. And this comes from a die hard Junsu Fan. I think he will be fine act in drama as long as he play an extreme character like a cold-blooded serial murderer or something, lol.
As for Jae, i hope noone kill me, but i think he still aware of camera or something. There are times when his acting is good but sometimes there are misses. the issues is consistency. His character in Jackal isnt kind of Leading man i guess, i think he will do great in it. I wonder though how will it be if Jae play musical, it would be interesting to see.
I think Junsu did just fine as Joon, but good Joon doesn’t compare with FANTASTIC!Mozart or OMG!Death.
Junsu is a character actor, he needs to be able to loose himself in the role. He will make it his own, just like with Death, but here needs to be a distance. (I don’t think I’m saying this right…I’m too sleepy!)
Jaejoong’s nerves show in the early episodes, but it might work for this character. Kyung-Tak is a man who is on edge about…something.
I have theories, I’m interested. However, I think that Jackal will be more like Protect the Boss in tone, so Jaejoong might adapt to that easier. He’s also working with someone he already knows, which should help him relax.
Oh! Nice! Debate board. LOL.
I shall start here then…
Yoochun very suitable for acting any roles in my opinion… and that is kind of an important criteria for being an actor. And I have to admit that I like him much better in Saeguk than Jaejoong. Yoochun just looks more… ‘ancient’. I think JJ will do a good job in the new movie, like he did in ptb. But JJ in Saeguk just did not sit right with me… and I am still waiting for that mind blowing moment since I only watched 2 episodes.
As for Junsu baby, he is just too dramatic for dramas… I feel. Watching past acts as DBSK… I kind of can’t get used to the idea of Junsu acting. He did scent of a woman cameo… and he was playing himself, so that was fine. Aside from that, I really kind of don’t look forward to him being in acting like his two hyungs.
Xiahtod is great… and musicals will be great for him. I hope he wins something for the awards coming up >/////<
I think the Best place for Junsu is in musical, he is very versatile on stage and i think he can do any kind of character. He is great in it like Yoochun is great in drama. They are already find their best strength, thus the idea of Junsu doing drama or Yoochun doing musical is just uninspiring tbh
but i am looking forward to them growing even bigger in their respective field. Oh, yeah Baby Su snatch the award!!
Yoochunnie = drama. Period.
I am starting to appreciate him as an actor, and he seems to be very clear about where he wants to develop, and what he wants to do in that field. That is great! Junsu baby is too… and I think it is good that they both know where they want to do in future.
As for JJ, I think.. composer and producer? He can do everything until he finds what he is most comfortable doing… I guess… drama and JJ sounds good too. Plus he seems to want to branch out into acting too… but idk. >///<
@Juliang
“.. And there lies the problem for Junsu to act in Drama, imo. He is good in stage acting (a more exaggerated form of acting imo) but to act in a more subtle way in Drama, i dont think he get the tact yet.”
Thanks for sharing. I love the sharing of our thoughts!
To start Junsu is not really just a “stage actor”.. he is a “musical stage actor” This is not just semantics. There is a difference between a “Musical Stage Actor” and a Stage/Theatrical actor. Musical stage is all about the music and the acting. So the challenge for Junsu is not that he is a “stage actor unable to act in a more subtle way in a Drama” the challenge is the lack of music when it comes to TV Dramas. Junsu lives and breaths music. His artistry/mastery is all embodied in music. Please read on to see my point here.
I bring this point up because.. I agree that Junsu probably won’t do well in your everyday Korean Drama. One of the key things to understand about Junsu for him IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC. Music is his form of communication and expression of his inner self.
Junsu LIVES & BREATHES MUSIC. Junsu excels on a musical stage because he can immerse himself in the music, he expresses the emotion of the character through the music. Junsu is also highly kinesthetic, he loves movement, physical activity. Take away the music and the movement and….well it’s like asking a violinist to perform without her instrument.
So it’s not that he does not have the “tact yet” to be in a Drama. It’s more like do we squeeze a square peg into a round hole? Junsu’s artistry/mastery is all tied to music. So until the day someone produces a Musical Dramady for television.. I don’t think we’ll see him in a Korean Drama any time soon. ( But never say never…the man surprises me almost every single day!
The wonderful thing is that Junsu knows himself. He has total clarity on what and where his strengths are and how to use them to the HIS very best advantage.
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JJ and Dramas…I loved PTB! Even so I think he is still finding his stride. I agree with you… at time he seems self-aware. PTB started out that way but he got much better once he bonded with the other leads, he became very relaxed on the screen and we saw glimpses of real life JJ right there on the screen. That’s when we began to see and feel the wonderful chemistry between the four leads. I loved him in Heavens Postman. His acting was very subtle and suited the character really well. With more opportunities he will get much better.
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Chunnie… Ahhh please the man is a Drama God now!
This post has gotten to long so I will post separate comment on Yoochun.
@A fri hello long time no chat
yes exactly my thought on JS he like to breathe music & sing every second drama is long month sleepless night & no way he can dance & sing in drama,he will do if there is musical drama or movie.
Guess what I went to musical because of him & I am totally under the spell of musical.
“Junsu LIVES & BREATHES MUSIC”
YES. i think so too. there’s something about him singing and dancing that gets me to think that he uses these two things (ops forgot to add musical acting..well, it comprises both) as a way to express himself. i love to hear the anger in his singing tone, the spiteful look in his dance, the hateful expression when he perform..his sadness in his singing voice, his expression of passion..i can go on for hours. and thats why he is so good in musical.
Drama is a bit way off for him, since it forces him into a character built by the producer/writer. In away, his musicals allows him to put himself in the characters, thus we have XIAHtod, XIAHzart and JOON. to extract himself in acting..is to disallow him to express the emotions that he knows exist (mytheryonly, i know).. i mean, we can do great in acting if we are comfortable in the role.. i think junsu need to REALLY choose the drama if he ever wants to be in one. for example, (and i say this because i saw previously…backinthedays..some fans suggestd that he act in a comedy drama…NO) something that he can relate to himself.
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and i agree with all of you. Yoochun is the king of acting!!! he’s awesome, i was gaping when i watch his first drama. and i always forgot that he’s yoochun when i watch him act. he’s that good!!!
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And Jae is also equally good. Jae is the type of person (to me) that can adapt to his surrounding so well, and get comfortable with others around him very quick, so he’s warming up to his acting. and i think he’s gonna blow our mind away as the drama continues. yes. i trust in his abilities !!
@A Friend of JYJ and everybody else in the thread
Very interesting and insightful comments on Junsu. I agree with all of them, particularly with regard to his relationship with music. However, I think we also need to point out one advantage that Junsu has over the other two — time.
A musical is in months of rehearsal. He does the full performance 3-4 times a week. He has the time to really get to know the character, to explore how he can portray it best. He really embraced that process with Death and has seen the power of it. I can’t wait to see what he does with his next role.
A drama or movie has….a couple of weeks of read throughs, if that? A movie will have the complete script, but a drama would be lucky to have the first 4 episodes. The actors have to get to know their character on screen, in front of the whole world. And when a scene is done, it’s done, there’s no going back in a couple weeks if the actor suddenly has an idea of how it could have been better.
I would like to see Yoochun try a stage production. (Is there non-musical theatre in Korea? I’ve never seen anything about it.) I think he would enjoy the opportunity to dig into the psyche of a character.
Jaejoong… should probably stick to filmed media because they have advantage of out-takes. If you fall on your ass on stage it stays in the show, there are no do-overs. The King of the NG might find it too nerve-wracking working without the safety net.
But then again, that might be just what he needs to get beyond the perfectionist issues.
June 2, 12:19PDT
this isn’t exactly a response to afojyj. but just to keep it to this particular conversation about junsu and acting. i was wondering since someone brough up the point that junsu has more time to really become his character vs yuchun and jaejoong. does korea have shows with a live audience? a drama usually runs what ,20 episodes? what about shows like “everybody loves ramon” — not the genre just the format. i know that they have variety shows that record infront of an audiene, but story telling shows like “everybody love ramond,” i think junsu would be better suited for shows like that. he would have more time to know his character and reherse as well as help build the character.
@Alsi
“i know that they have variety shows that record infront of an audiene, but story telling shows like “everybody love ramond,” i think junsu would be better suited for shows like that. he would have more time to know his character and reherse as well as help build the character.”
A few months ago I would have agreed with you completely, but now I’m not so sure. I have long pegged Junsu as JYJ’s ultimate Secret Weapon. “When all else is totally coming apart, bring in Junsu.” That was my feeling, my intuition.
Now, after having seen his various works lately, I’m of a mind that there’s probably nothing the man can not do. And do brilliantly.
Hi, I totally agree with you on Junsu. His robust personality in Mozart and Elizabeth really came through, but in Tears of Heaven, its a bit less robust, in a way. And i agree that he’s still not quite there to be in drama, not because he’s not good, but coming from also a junsu fan, i think its not quite his thing. I kinda wish he’d stick to just musical and music. and i worry for him to act in drama. but you never knew..he kept surprising us all, maybe he got the knack of it, without us realizing.
And as for jaejoong, i disagree ^^ his character is strong enough in jackal to be up against the main lead? i think he’s really ready to be a lead. hopefully he’ll get one, cuz he desrves it ^^
I think he will be fine act in drama as long as he play an extreme character like a cold-blooded serial murderer or something, lol. — damn. now i want to see that. xD
@Eliza
I am so smiling at your descriptions of our erstwhile thespians.
Agreeing with your “leading men” analysis, it begs the question to me…Was this intentional or accidental or fortuitous?
Knowing that they all three have to grope and feel their way around to make sure their footing doesn’t falter; they manage to do the impossible, pull it off no matter what. I get the feeling they learn something from each experience. Despite what may or may not be said about the quality of each project, the guys seem to wind up working with some amazing talents. From these talents, they learn a lot and build solid networks.
When I watched SKKS and YC’s progression throughout the production, I was reminded of the some of the greats in Hollywood. A great many of them said so much with just their eyes and maybe a movement with their mouths. They didn’t have to emote much to get across what they wanted to portray.
YC got a good deal of criticism about his facial expressions being so stiff. I kept wanting to scream!…If you had a father like LSJ’s you wouldn’t be Sally Sunshine either! Dear old dad was about as excitable as a wet dishrag. Being the only son and a chip off the old block, where was he suppose to learn how to be expressive? It took the J4 to bring out his amused side.
I do see him being smooth. He doesn’t have to do much to get across what he wants to convey. He really can’t help being cool. It’s just the way he is.
Yes, being in the lead sometimes is not necessary to make a big impact. The actor’s personal persona can infuse something totally unexpected. I’m reminded of the casting in Cat On A Hot Tin Roof.
With Jaejoong and Junsu, they too are able to transform. With JS being in musicals, he actually has more freedom to interpret. Each role is different, but he can make it what he wants it to be. I feel like Jaejoong is being more cautious. He can take the criticism, but I feel like sometimes he’s at a disadvantage because people want perfection from him. I don’t because I want him to grow. I want this for all three. I get the distinct feeling, they are not looking for safe. They are looking for ways to learn and grow. All that unchallenged force from their pasts is now ready to explode!
Good morning! I wanted to be awake before I answered you, but I find that I’m really just nodding along with almost everything you said. Except for one point:
I feel like Jaejoong is being more cautious. He can take the criticism, but I feel like sometimes he’s at a disadvantage because people want perfection from him.
I agree that Jaejoong is more cautious, but not because other people want perfection but because I think he demands it of himself. I think his biggest fear is letting other people down and in a production the size of a drama, that’s a lot of people. But because of that he will ensure he’s prepared, he will accept criticism as his due, and he will soak up any teachable moments like sponge. And he will be careful to choose a role where he feels he can bring something unique to the production. This is why I don’t want him to pick a role just to “get the girl”, that’s not necessarily going to be the most interesting role available.
That said, I don’t think he needs my advice.
I don’t think any of them do. They have all chosen very good roles appropriate to their skills yet test their abilities. Some worked better than others, but there are many factors in that, one being the outstanding nature of the comparative roles.
Ok, I agree with your comment about the perfection thingy. I know he does ask it of himself. I’m simply appreciating the effort they are all making to forge a new path for themselves. This is adding to their growth and longevity.
3:41 PM EDT
Just thought I’d mention that Yoochun was the lead in “Beautiful Love” in 2010 so that’s 4 roles. Junsu was in it too. Somehow, most people seem to forget this.
Junsu did the theme song. I don’t thinks that counts.
(And I keep forgetting about “Beautiful Love” because I didn’t get to see it! No good subs around. 
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I got to see Beautiful Love, for me the subs were not the issue, but the film quality was. Mysoju is trying to repair its links to it at the present time. They repaired the ones for Sunao ni Narenakute.
try this link with eng sub.. http://mychunforever.tumblr.com/post/16476478869/beautiful-love-eng-sub
however the quality is a bit low…
parkyuchun.kr has a decent quality however w/o eng sub.
http://parkyuchun.kr/zboard/view.php?id=data&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=subject&desc=asc&no=779
Beautiful Love is a mobile drama so there will be no HQ unless they release a DVD of it or something.
12.26 PM SGT (GMT +8)
Do you mean Junsu acted in Beautiful Love?? Oh, No! He only sang for the ost.
“but I think they are at their best when they —-don’t have to worry about getting the audience on their side”—–
Junsu did that in Mozart though, imo. And also in Elisabeth, but in smaller portion because the main focus is still in Eli . Mozart and Death both are leading role but clearly not your typical Leading Man, but somehow through the show while they play their eccentric and and even cruel self, both Mozart and Death also make audience understand the reason why they do all of those deeds. Xiahzart and Xiahtod behave as if they didnt care about anything but themselves, but in the end if Xiahzart and Xiahtod didn’t gain sympathy from audience, then it’s a failure of Junsu, which fortunately didnt happen
What you’re describing is just good acting.
Yeah, I think you’re right that I’m off base with that line.
As I’m going through this discussion, I”m starting to think that the characters I think of as “leading men” are really just the product of lazy writing. It’s like the drama/movie writers think, “I want a guy to do this and this and this. But I don’t really care what he’s like, let the actor figure it out,” so often the actor tends to “play himself”. But a good writer creates a fully-formed character that the actor has to work to get inside, characters like Mozart and Sunjoon and Kyung-Tak The actors add to the character, of course, but they have to fit inside a defined structure. The “leading men” characters start out a little more…flimsy.
June 2 10:25PDT
I actually realize that what i explain is actually what EVERY actor should do
But i think the point is every character will have the burden of worry to be able to get the audience on their side, except for the kind of one-dimensional character that indeed have no depth. That is product of way lazier writing i think.
*Edit
I actually realize that what i explain is actually what EVERY actor should do after i posted the comment. lol
Oooh nice discussion!
I agree with what you said about the three of them. Among Junsu’s roles up-to-date, I must say Tod would be his best so far. Mozart has a loneliness and misery that Junsu portrayed brilliantly that I think it’s up to that point where he couldn’t escape. He became Mozart and we’re drawn by that charm. Joon is a normal guy, in love and in despair for his love and he couldn’t escape the thoughts and feelings. Tod… is just brilliant. I mean, you get chills just looking at him, his eyes acting and his body language was just over the top amazing. I was amazed and awed and I would do my very best to see him if there’s ever another chance for him to act in Elisabeth again.
I’ve watched SunaNare and I like Dr being bubbly than pitiful MuWon. I love MuWon but I can’t get over the fact that he isn’t love for who he is. At least Dr was given the chance and even though he had to go through so much….yeah I kinda cringed when he had to beg to sell his stuff but I like how his character developed. But Muwon had the sweet ending with Nayoon so gotta give it to MuWon. Enough about that- Jae had more character in Dr compared to MuWon…now I don’t know which I like better-MuWon or Dr. I have to give props that Jae made me vringe and cried fir his character-WHY ON EARTH IS HE GETTING THIS ONE SIDED LOVE? But I think KyungTak will steal a lot of people’s heart. I do hope he’ll get the gisaeng coz I’m hating MyungRae now…Someone said he was stiff-but I’m pretty impressed by Jae-he had more emotion than other new actors but I must say there are times when he did look a bit stiff but you can’t blame it all on him.
Yoochun…Yoochun Yoochun…
I didn’t watch Ms Ripley-I only watch some scenes and even though I downloaded it-I just can’t get over the fact that he actually love such a woman (lol) and continued loving her…it’s just unrealistic and I don’t know if it’s stupid or being saintly. Even Yoochun said he wasn’t satisfied by his acting in MR. Going over to SKKS…he improved A LOT…He was stiff in the first few episodes but you can see how he settled down and become Seon Joon that when they were in the university-he was totally Seon Joon. I must say I love how he portrayed LSJ-he was stiff-and warm up and become the guy that I assume how LSJ really is. But hands down-his best character must be Lee Gak. I am blown away but his portrayal of Lee Gak. I wanted to say so many things so much emotions in the 20 episodes that when it ended neary two weeks ago-I still can’t get over RTP and Lee Gak-Park Ha.
And the best pairing- I among JYJ members are: JYJ – Gak Ha- Jae-Hyo for Jackal and Tod-Eli…lol
Oh, your last comment about the best pairing got me thinking about my fav pairing too and i am surprised that i get a hard time to decide which Musical pairing is the best so far for Junsu XD
-Xiahzart and Constanze are sooo playful, i love the scene where Xiahzart try to stole the kiss(es) and ask constanze to ride the broom with him, and oh my of course the scene where they tickled each other on BED >///<
-Joon and Lyn is just too sweet, can't unseen the way Joon caress Lyn's lips before kissed her *cue awwww*
-Xiahtod and Eli is one of a kind couple of couse, since i havent got any decent fancams i only can imagine when a fellow fan who watched musical describe that you can really see how Xiahtod love Eli from the way he looks at her alone ~.~
My conclusion, i love all the pairings!! LOL. what's interesting is, Female lead who act with Junsu usually got the popularity award along with him, i am curious who will get the award this time between Ock Eli and Kim Eli… please, God, dont let SoMeone's idols win it, cos it will be dead awkward -___-
June 2, 2011 5:40am
Wow, you guys are on it! I’ve had similar conversations with a close friend of mine. We both have been fans of DBSK/JYJ for a while now and watching them develop has been quite exciting. Particularly for me. As someone who thrives from the arts, watching them grow into their elements has been inspiring to me in more ways than one. Having that said for the sake of an introduction as a first time debater and usual silent reader, let’s continue with the conversations at hand.
I’ve always said this to my friend, “If Chun had not been a singer, the man could have easily been an actor and an actor only.” It just so happens he has a beautiful croon to boot [referring to his voice]. He is very expressive with not just his words and voice but with his body. It may not be easy to understand him but it’s easy to tell what he’s feeling. His expression is never stoic, in fact, being stoic is not at all natural to him. Shy? Yes. But stoic, not so much. He expresses himself with his whole body, face and voice. That characteristic of his is very valuable to him as an actor. Now that he’s learned or as he’s learning to about himself and carrying himself, becoming a character is natural. The man has a SYMPATHY for emotions and freely shows it. He knows himself very well and does not lie to himself. I think he can be whatever character he wants, so long as he’s aware of what kind of character he’s playing. He relates a character to emotions, I feel, and not so much experiences. Hence his versatility and so called “naturalness” in a characters shoes. He makes a fictional character human, he makes them real.
Now Junsu, as discussed before is a musical actor. And I think that also makes him a method actor. He becomes the character, a fictional being. That’s what makes Chun and Junsu different in their methods. He is not just reciting lines, he is singing. The emotion is already chosen for him, the identity is chosen for him … Junsu uses his ability to UNDERSTAND a character with music to become that character. Again, as mentioned before … he chooses an EXTREME approach to bring out bold personalities. That is what a musical actor does and he does it so well. I think it would take a bit more time for him to ever learn to be in a drama; doing the every day role, without music, and much to the effect of the ordinary. But I certainty don’t think it’s impossible for him to do it and to do it exceptionally.
And then there’s Jaejoong. Out of all of them, I feel he has the most conflict within himself when playing a character BUT I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Some of you mentioned that he sometimes seems nervous and too self aware and I think that’s because he is the one endures the most EMPATHY. He sees more to character than he should show. He can control his mannerism, gestures and expressions to an extent where everything can seem quite calculative as apposed to just letting them flow out like Chun or creating them based on one point perspective like Junsu. Thinking abous his abilities reminded me about how he used to say that when he was young, he was tone deaf. Now I don’t know to what extent that was true. At best I can maybe guess he meant he was untrained to an extent where he had no musical theory knowledge, sense of his range and obliviously no control. Going from that to what he is now tells me that he is one to tackle a task with intelligence and cumulative skill. This man can do anything as long as he’s determined to. I mean, that’s true with all DBSK/JYJ members for sure but with him in particular, he has no one track mind fanctor [like JUNSU] or lazy factor [like Chun] as they themselves have put it. He goes beyond his own satisfaction. I don’t think he has a problem acting but choosing a side to his character. There’s nothing wrong with a multidimensional character but that kind of fictional being takes time to create, especially within the realms of dramas where he has to drag out the development. Having that said, I think his best realm is to do more film. Where a character can be more complex almost automatically in a shorter amount of time.
There’s a difference between novels, lyrical scores and short fiction. All can be extraordinarily deep and complex but require different points of view and approaches. JYJ are exceptional talents and their strengths all differ. The arts not only require skill but emotional competence. Yeah, that’s a legitimate concept. And the way they express themselves shows different approaches to emotional expression. Yoochun is an open book, Junsu hides behind a serious or cute face and Jaejoong … well let’s just say he has a knack for innuendo. Make of that what you will. In the end, as they mature further their strengths will accumulate and I’m sure if they so desire, then can tackle anything!
Pardon any mistakes. I’m afraid a got little carried way while writing this. haha … (^_^)V
I love your post so much, I read it twice
. Wow. I hope you continue to post and share your views on different topics.
Wow, thank you. I will most definitely try to keep commenting. Blogging and posting isn’t something I’m used to so thanks again for your encouragement.
That was just…beautiful.
I really don’t have anything else to say right now (you seem to have covered it all). But I reserve the right to come back later.
June 2 11:38PDT
WOW~ You put them into finer words! Me likie!
This comment… *_*! Very well said.
Oh my, thank you for your compliments. I guess my hobby for profiling isn’t all that useless is it. I absolutely loved talking about this.
@PandaZTAR
I truly enjoyed reading your comments and thank you for expressing them. Further, you have now single-handedly convinced me: I really like this new “Open Discussion” topic. It WAS needed and it is fascinating. Thanks.
Yay! Thank you!
What are you talking about? To me Yoochun has exceptional looks. Just so you know. So don’t make any “generalized” definitions about his looks.
You may think he has exceptional looks, but be glad that others don’t. If Yoochun had exceptional looks he wouldn’t be as sought after for commercials as much as he is. He is classically handsome. He has familiar features in a very pleasing arrangement. People who make commercials want someone that the audience is going to be attracted too and be comfortable with. And that’s why they put him in roles as aristocracy and royalty, his is what is to be aspired to.
Jaejoong is unique, and for many people unique is not comfortable, it isn’t something that draws them in. Junsu is also exceptional, you can’t lose him in a crowd. He’s playing that up right now but to mixed reactions. When he doesn’t play up his uniqueness, he’s stuck in “cute” which is not where a 26 year-old wants to be all the time. As beautiful as these two men are, the fact that their beauty does not fit the standard definition the way Yoochun’s does, is actually a disadvantage in an entertainment industry as homogeneous as Korea’s.
June 2 10:00PDT
“As beautiful as these two men are, the fact that their beauty does not fit the standard definition the way Yoochun’s does, is actually a disadvantage in an entertainment industry as homogeneous as Korea’s.”
Well said. Just think of all the hardships the other members had to endure from anti-fans. I think out of all of them he’s the one with the least if any history of of it before the law suit ordeal.
@Eliza
Oh I understand what you’re trying to say.
To Koreans, Chun is a definition of who looks great to them. (Not that others don’t think so, I mean in general Korea.)
Whereas Jae to Koreans looks too feminine and not how a “typical handsome Korean” will look like.
In fact, Jae looks more Japanese than Korean which explain his extreme popularity in Japan where people currently know Jae more than JYJ as a whole. (That’s what I heard)
Quite a number of people (those I know) find Chun not extremely good looking initially but as the more they see him, the more they feel his charm and the more they feel he’s goodlooking.
Actually, whether a person appeals to you is really very subjective. So, by saying Chun is someone who attracts you gradually is not putting him down. In fact, it’s people like that, that really remains in people’s minds.
I think he’s sought after more than the others because he has that “rich”/”royal” air about him. Not because he looks ordinary. Even the DBSK boys said it themselves in one of their AADBSK vids (the one they all had to spell Junsu’s laughter). Even when they went on YSMM and he talk about his “American Experience”, the MC there, with an unconvincing face , said Chun didn’t look like someone who had gone through hard life but instead like someone who was born with a “silver spoon in his mouth”. Those advertiser in Korea don’t look for “ordinary” face like you put it, instead they look for that “rich” and “gentle” air that makes people want to be like him or be in his position. In acting, not only must you “act” out your character, you must also look like it and have the vibe your character represent. That’s why they always seek Chun out to play the “noble” (SKKS), “rich” (Miss Ripley), and the royal roles (RTP). He gives off that vibe or being upper class.It’s a God-send that he actually can act the part too. You are probably basing your assessment of the general look of Koreans on the celebrities you see on TV. But those celebrities are especially picked individuals with outstanding looks within the popualtion. Advertisers dont pick SNSD, Han Ga In etc because they look ordinary. No.
Hi! I 100% agree with you! Chun’s looks are no joke. BUT … according to my Korean friend he is the most average-like of both JYJ and DBSK. It took me a while to understand this because I made up my mind based on my standards which let me tell you … are as broad as can be. I called him a pretty boy at first but of course he’s that and also handsome. So here it goes. Based on the KOREAN standard of beauty [yeah, there's only one! Sad, but true] he’s the one that fits it in the most common way. He fits it for sure but in a more traditional sense. Out of all of them he looks the most KOREAN, born with natural good “IDEAL” looks. And that I can easily see. JJ and Junsu can pass for not being Korean. Apart from Japanese, Chinese and Korean culture and exposure, I am still fairly ignorant on other South East Asian cultures. So I don’t know about Junsu but JJ could easily pass for a native Japanese person. Hell, I thought he was Japanese the first time I saw him. And pretty much every Korean that I’ve spoken to agrees, Junsu appears Korean because of his mannerism which is very rigidly high middle class Korean BUT he looks weird. His looks aren’t traditional but his exotic looks are still considered ideal just like with JJ. Yoochun is undoubtedly a beautifully handsome flower boy but I guess he’s the least exotic of the bunch and the type of beauty you would expect out of Korea. Junsu and JJ look like imports. Either way, these boys are good looking men and unnaturally beautiful to us non-Koreans sooooo … Hurray for JYJ international!!!
LOL at your ” Junsu and JJ look like imports”!!!
i dont have a lot of knowledge on this beauty standard, but i think i kinda get what you were trying to explain. to put it simply, i get the same vibe of handsomeness from the like of Yoochun, Lee Seuggi, and …Lee Minho (the older one). I dont know in my head they kinda group up together XD While JJ, i will put him with Jang Geun Suk i guess, that guy is big too in Japan.
While Junsu… idk, help me anyone? lolol, while i can pass Junho easily as having this slightly chinese look, Junsu is complicated XD
Yeah, Junsu’s looks are a bit on the ambiguous side [not really meaning androgynous though it definitely applies too]. And coming from someone who has a quite a bit of a mixed direct ethnic background, that’s saying something. I still blame it on my ignorance for some south east backgrounds though. But he does look like he’s mixed for sure. We may never know. Human genetics are funny thing. LOL
And yeah, JJ is definitely in the same category as Geun Suk.
Oh if you want better idea of what I’m talking about in terms of “the standard of beauty” you should check out EATYOURKIMCHI on youtube. They have a few videos about the experience of the foreigner in Korea, especially when it comes to the focus on appearances. It puts it into perspective. I study a lot about mental health issues in teens so that’s where I get most of my info from but that youtube channel describes it pretty clearly as well.
@PandaZTAR
When you said you love doing profilling and from your long post on JYJ’s nature in acting i kinda get the vide that you learn or interested in Psychology, and now you reveal you study about mental health, so your direction is clinical psychology, am i right?
because i am studying psychology myself, but my eng is still bad thus i can’t be as articulate as you.
Yeah, i’ve watched it before
it is interesting.
Yes, I’m a psychology student! Nice to meet a fellow peer. You’re English is just fine my dear. It gets better with practice and exposure.
I’m not sure if clinical psychology is where I’m headed but it’s still early. Like I mentioned, I’m also into the arts and Art Therapy or Arts Administration is also very tempting. Hahaha…
This is a toughie! I think there may be a discrepancy in the idea of the word “typical” or “general.” To be honest, none of the boys look like your typical, average Korean male and this is coming from a Korean girl that has traveled all over South Korea. In fact, far far from it. But that’s to be expected cause if the average Korean had looks like that, everyone would be in the entertainment industry. And I get prickly at any of JYJ being compared to other entertainers in terms of looks b/c I find our boys so wholly unique that my brain refuses to accept any comparison. I mean take LSG’s smile and Yuchun’s smile, they are worlds apart, I just don’t get any sense of physical similarity between the two. And JGS to JJ, what? I’m sorry for anyone who is a fan of JGS, I also like a few of his dramas, but seriously he is kind of a mess right now. The lip injections and botox injections are making him look like his face is made of swollen plastic, it’s creepy. If you compare his face from BV to MSOAN, the difference is really noticeable and those dramas were only two years apart. Ok, I’ve lost myself on a tangent, cause I find plastic surgery scary and the level of comfort Koreans have for plastic surgery terrifies me.
Right, so there is the image of the Korean ideal male, gentle, sweet, healthy, well to do, and I think that is where Yuchun excels aesthetically. I don’t think it has much to do with being average at all, but the type of charisma a person exudes. His “look” is very warm, that of a good natured, kind hearted person and that is what sells to the noona to ahjumma demographic which is considered to be the demographic with the most buying power.
^___^ That is very understandable.
Right, so there is the image of the Korean ideal male, gentle, sweet, healthy, well to do, and I think that is where Yuchun excels aesthetically.
That’s what I thought I said (without being able to point out details to be able to expand on it). Thank you for the clarification.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/resilience-life-satisfaction-outlook_n_1540420.html?ref=healthy-living
I’m offering up this article from the Huffington Post for a couple of reasons.
1) I definitely think it applies to the memers of JYJ. All three have shown that resilience is what has gotten them where they are today. In the face of all the nonsense they have endured, being able to deal with it and keep on moving is making them stronger each day.
2) I hope that others will take a look at the information provided and apply it to their own lives. Anyone of us can run into a patch of difficulties and have it throw us for a loop. The key is being able to get back up and continue.
One of the hardest things in life is to deal with adversity. Whenever I think of all the BS that has come to JJ, YC, and JS, I feel there is a very real test going on here. Surviving is the only option. I’m sure when they started out on this journey the guys knew the road would not be smooth. The level of the unwillingness of the SK entertainment industry to play fair has been appalling. By opening the eyes of the international fandom, SK has only managed to cast a very unseemly light onto itself. But looking at the grace and dignity with which the three of them are handling all this gives proof that JJ, YC, and JS are indeed resilient. This is why it is amusing to some extent to see the kind of Keystone Kops Kapers SME/cohorts resort to to continue trying to derail the careers of JYJ.
If the reports are true that there is some action towards the possible end to the legal aspects of JYJ’s situation against SM, then that resiliency has paid off BIG TIME. I just wish I could be a fly on the wall when it all comes down. Oh how I wish!
For those of us who have our own issues to deal with, whether it be personal or professional, the key is learning to deal with those issues and continue on. Hardships can be a test. Tests make us pay attention to what is going on around us. We have to make decisions to find the correct answers to deal with those tests. I hope we each find the answers we need to pass those tests.
@BAF Sis
Honestly, I don’t know how “big” the Judgement on SM is gonna be, but I do have major doubts if that is going to change the current situation JYJ is facing. It’s like an unspoken agreement amongst sm and the broadcasters and now even other companies to block JYJ. How will the law then be able to protect JYJ when evidences to expose those people are almost non-existence.
It’s saddening to see really.
But regardless, I’ll always be there to supoort JYJ and I do hope fans’ great support will bring them to places.
I would venture to say that whatever SM has to pay is more than what they will want to pay, which is nothing. But as long as the judgment comes down and it’s over, it’s all good. Do I expect SM cohorts to do the right thing…nah! These folks are so stuck on stupid as to not be funny. But they made it clear, it was the lawsuit keeping JYJ off TV. It will be amusing to see what they come up with when asked why they continue to block them. At this point, this is where the increase pressure from the international fandom can come into play. HIT THEM HARD! We cannot let them off the hook.
@BAF
Thanks for posting this article. I like when i can get a take-away for my REALITY.
THIS > Factors that go into resilience include being able to manage impulses and feelings, looking at yourself positively, making realistic plans and goals and communicating and solving problems.
“Thanks for posting this article. I like when i can get a take-away for my REALITY” This makes me happy.
I’ve come to learn over the years of my life that sharing is a wonderful thing. I am very fortunate to have some incredible friends and loved ones in my life. This fact makes me eager to share.
I really liked your observation! I do agree that Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu seem like extremely resilient individuals – how they keep on smiling in the face of whatever life throws at them is astonishing. This may be an unpopular point but I think that all this controversy and cockblocking has only really served to strengthen JYJ and make them even better. Adversity tends to split people into camps – there are those who hide and escape and those who grow. I think we know where our boys stand.
You’re very much correct when you say that the key is learning to deal with the issues and continue on because I believe remaining stagnant and stuck is the worst thing you can do when faced with adversity. It doesn’t matter whether or not the path is correct, because paths can change. What matters is that you keep on walking.
I agree with some others’ comments. I don’t really see any kind of severe or enforceable judgement against SM ever coming down. Koreans are fiercely nationalistic and majorly obsessed with spreading the Hallyu Wave in every conceivable manner possible. SM has managed to convince the government and Korean population that they, vis a vis Girls Generation, are absolutely essential to the well being of Korea in the world. Most adults don’t even know or remember any of the zillions of bad things SM has done in the past. They think SM is the pride of Korea. While JYJ’s plight may be opening the eyes of many foreigners, at the same time the Korean government is shoving kpop down the throats of anyone it can, totally blinding them to what’s really going on. As long as they keep being able to make videos of foreigners screaming their lungs out for random kpop groups, they will be happy and won’t know or care how many people know the dirty truth of kpop. As long as SM continues to successfully play on the nationalistic tendencies of adult Koreans, nothing negative will ever happen to them. Instead, JYJ will be blamed for bringing Korea’s dirty little secrets into the public eye.
@Dr Jin. Thank you……Glad to see some ‘sight’ from our korean friends ‘sight’ too..Basically i-fan only can depend from what they reads~~~and with little information from twitter/ facebook…… So please keep sharing with us too….
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
I’m reading all your comments, the fact the you’re from SK interests me, and like @rechien, I’m hoping you keep on sharing with us.
I think JYJ illustrates that resilience is not just a matter of surviving (admittedly, there are times when enduring is all that can be done) but of finding ways to use the energy that pushed us down to bounce us back up.
JYJ has not been allowed to perform on TV, so they do more live shows and personal appearances. The boys love the stage and the connection with the audience so this becomes a personal advantage to them. They are not over-exposed so they are seen as a cache product. To get them at an event is an advantage to the event, not just a publicity opportunity for the group. (JYJ is doing the event the favour, not the other way around.)
Many of the standard paths of distribution have been closed for them so they have to look for alternates. This draws companies that are hungry and innovative — something that is lacking in the Korean economy — that will be as creative as the boys themselves. Selling “Their Rooms” as a book is a prime example, and the publishing industry certainly did not suffer for it.
With such difficulty connecting with their Korean fan-base, they have reached out to a wider audience. I think that they were initially a little disappointed with their world tour audiences of around 5000 (particularly in 15,000 seat venues) when they have played to 50,000, but again their resilience took over. Smaller venues are cheaper, the production can focus on quality rather than quantity, the performances are more intimate with the audience — I could see them enjoying their smaller audiences by the end of the world tour. They are doing this for love and it shows.
Part of being resilient is not sweating the small stuff, and I think (hope) they’ve put the legal issues in that category. Let the lawyers handle it. They’ve proven that going to court hasn’t killed their careers (to put it mildly!) and what can SME do that they haven’t already done? What can anybody do knowing that JYJ isn’t afraid to sue their ass? Yes, there are still problems, but it’s all stuff they’ve seen before and know won’t kill them.
Newtons 3rd Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That’s conservation of energy. The energy used to push you against the wall becomes yours and you can use it to bounce right back.
June 2, 12:53PST
So it seems Lotte replaced artists JYJ and Bigbang with SoMeone’s idols~
How disgusting that they too bow down to SoMeone’s dirty sh!t!!!
Or maybe because their contracts ended and Lotte needs people to endorse their products and SM happens to have them. I don’t and won’t hate Lotte for what they’ve decided to do as long they don’t decide to cancel Jackal or any productions they decide to do with any JYJ member in the future. They’re a larger company than SM, therefore SM can’t force them to stop working with JYJ. They can try but Lotte can easily replace SM artists with others especially if they don’t meet their standards. From the way I see it, Lotte isn’t kissing SM’s ass, it’s the other way around.
That’s a optimistic way of thinking.
But really, I can’t help but believe there is something going on.
What can we expect from SoMeone eh?!
I’m with you. Advertising requires new campaigns and fresh faces (Although SuJu? Really?!) And it’s not like they’ve abandoned JYJ, it’s more like they’ve promoted them — 30 second ad spot vs 2 hour movie
A+ for you i try to explain that if the contracts ended their need new people that’s all…Lotte has help JYJ a lot.
@shadow
Really, also Bigbang?
But in my opinion, JYJ and BigBang are on a higher level from the rest of the idol groups, so no worries.
I remember BigBang wasn’t nominated or they really didn’t attend any major music awards last year where SuJu won in grand slam. I don’t know, I’m not following them closely, but I notice BB is not invited or not interested in all these Kpop/Hallyu wave concerts abroad.
Maybe JYJ and BB TF is getting higher and higher..
It’s not a matter of whether JYJ and Bigbang are bigger artists or not. (Of coz they are!)
It’s whether Lotte’s act is out of business sense (if that’s the case, I don’t think they have much sense.) or out of something else.
Last year Big Bang tangled in some big scandals, Marijuana and car accident. Some member took hiatus to reflect, thus they didnt that active as group.
JYJ and BIGBANG are no longer endorsing for Lotte Duty Free, instead Super Junior is added to the list, then BB have Hyundai as their promote stars, i don’t know with JYJ…. any news??
So SuJu and tvxq are endorsers of two competing companies !
JYJ still have NII, Penzal Q, Nintendo……
so the rest of the artists still remain as the endorsers of Lotte except for BB & JYJ being ousted, I smell the rat!
@shadow
If true, talk about killing the ‘goose that lays the golden egg.’ How sad is it that is not surprising?
IKR!
This could be simply be a case of wanting different looks. There is nothing that says Lotte has to have JYJ onboard every single campaign. I agree, Lotte does not need SME. They are way too big to need to kowtow. It would be more like the other way around. The Lotte campaign is just one of the many JYJ do. Actually, I wouldn’t want them to become pigeonholed or stereotyped.
When theaters were needed for the film “The Day”, Lotte stepped up to the plate. They have exclusive distribution rights for Jae’s film. This is simply a business transaction for them to keep things fresh. I wouldn’t read anything more into it than that.
I’m crossing my fingers it’s all business.
how pity JYJ and BB replaced by SoMeone’s idols. geezzz.
so now there’s no any fanmeeting with JYJ by Lotte anymore. how depressing.
yeah, that is what I’m concerned about too, the JYJ’s Lotte fanmeeting for Japanese fans. Those fan-meetings have become like a routine for the boys to meet and connect with their Japanese fans since they’re unable to carry out activities in Japan. Those were fun events. I hope JYJ and C-JeS will come up with a solution for that soon.
now i understand why JYJ make big fanmeeting this month, and they treat specially for japanese fans.
well, any news about the fanmeeting that will be hold this month? anyone in JYJ3 will attending it?
Guys…They still NII fan meeting…^^…..Dont worry JYJ always find the way for them to reach their Japanese fans…
No one ever bothered to make similar events for the Korean fans… At this point who cares if the Japanese no longer get their own special events? Sorry, bitter Korea resident here. But seriously, I don’t get why i-fans think Japanese fans are soooooo wonderful and sooooo deserving of special treatment. As far as I can tell, they haven’t done jack shit to try to help JYJ in Japan, aside from that late, late, late petition. They’re the same fans that wrote a letter to the courts begging the court to protect JYJ from C-JeS. -_- Come live in Korea for a while and you’ll see what I mean. TT_TT
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
I don’t know, maybe JYJ wanna keep their Japanese fans in touch since their DBSK time, maybe they don’t wanna lose them though. well, Big East is the biggest fandom in Japan right? i don’t know how it’s exactly in reality, i just read news from internet. and from what i read, Japan is the biggest market for K-singer, so that’s why they treat them specially.
that’s what i thought
@Dr Jin sub-wanter: actually, JYJ themselves value their Japanese fans. I don’t mean that they neglect Korean fans, they do try their best to do activities in Korea, no? The JYJ membership week is an example. The thing is that for Korea, there is an advantage that it’s their home country, so it’s easier to reach out and connect with their fans. You guys are like right there, knowing what’s going on before everyone else. It’s more difficult for Japan where they practically can’t do anything much. Japan is a big market that JYJ don’t wanna lose. They always hope to resume activities there some time in the future, so of course they want to keep the fans over there. Although Japanese fans haven’t done much (or more like they can’t do much) to bring JYJ back in the country, but they have been supportive of their activities, attending concerts, fanmeetings, and buying their products, etc. All fans are important to JYJ.
@Astrid and Angie
Actually, it’s not really like you think. It’s a common misconception that being in Korea means we have more contact with JYJ or be privy to special news. Being in Korea is only really an advantage if you’re a sasaeng and want to physically stalk them. We don’t get news any faster than anyone else. Real news is posted on the internet and immediately translated into many languages and spread to sites like JYJ3. Unofficial news is not disseminated outside of a core group of people, and unsavory news is not spread to i-fans because no one wants it it to spread. There have been many times I, even as a fan in Korea, have known less than the average Korean because i-fans refused to print unflattering news from Korean newspapers (like the crappy tabloidy articles about the Barcelona concert). I walked into work one day and people who don’t even care about JYJ were asking me about it, because it was all over the news. As a fan, I had no clue because sites like JYJ3 tried to protect JYJ by not printing the articles. So anyway, physical proximity means basically nothing. I-fans especially are in many ways even more isolated than i-fans outside Korea because i-fans tend to sometimes be a little bit hostile towards us out of subtle and totally-understandable jealousy. (They, like you, think we have an advantage) Our “advantage”, if you can call it that, is having a much better understanding of JYJ’s standing in Korea as a whole (which is not that dominant, given the TV ban), understanding SM’s position (which is far stronger than i-fans often think), and having a more holistic view of Korea as a whole.
Overall, if you wanna see JYJ, you have to go to a JYJ event. And there are far more events exclusively for Japanese than there are for Koreans. All of the fansignings … you don’t buy tickets to those. You buy stuff from a very specific store and hope to God your name gets drawn. All of those events are chock full of Japanese, because anyone who buys from the store is eligible to win … therefore Japanese buy tons and tons of stuff and then win. The only one event that was “only” for Korean residents was the White Day fanmeeting, which was for C-JeS members only. This upcoming “fan week” is just going around looking at JYJ stuff. It’s not an actual JYJ event. Plus, it’s open for Japanese, too. There will be two fanmeetings and one is exclusively for Japanese. A lot of JYJ goods that stores give out are only for Japanese. While I understand the value of the Japanese market, it’s very hurtful and agonizing for fans in Korea to see the favoritism.
Regarding information, overall Korean instinct is to keep things within Korean fandom. The “leaks” to foreign fans are pretty much what they believe will help JYJ the most.
It’s sad that its that way…..and I honestly don’t know why C-Jes would do that?
But overall JYJ don’t hold that many events (like fanevents). Also, most of the fansigns are Korean events. Most of their concerts have also been in Korea…..with mostly Korean attendants.
I think JYJ cater more to Japanese fans…..because they make the most money there. It is logical. If Korean fans spent more money they would also see more events.
For example, all JYJ Korean fans don’t buy their music….whereas in Japan more fans are willing to buy their music if it available. And the fact probably is that JYJ has more fans in Korea then it does in Japan…..
Like JYJ has A LOT of Chinese fans……but because the Chinese buy even less CDs than Koreans…they don’t cater to them that often either……
Because of these ‘statistics’ (Because being musicians is also about making money; not just favoritism).
If one day JYJ ends up making more money in America than they do in Korea and Japan then they would come here more often. The fact is that the less illegal downloading done….the more music that is bought or concert tickets……..the more likely JYJ is to cater to that country.
Also, above you stated a that JYJ3 is picky with posting news. I understand your perspective but this is an issue you have to be open minded about. If JYJ3 did post negative news too….yes fans would be more informed too…..but it would attract more international anti’s to create chaos. There are ways you can find about all types of news about JYJ. I knew about the issues you spoke of through twitter, and through other international kpop sites. You just have to shop around the internet and find sources or the right people to follow on twitter.
@JJ=oxygen
I totally understand about JYJ3 being picky, and I didn’t mean it as a complaint. I can see the desire to halt nasty news from spreading. I was just explaining that living in Korea doesn’t make one have advanced or special notice about events. ^^ I will, however, slit my own wrist before I spend time trawling through the slime at general kpop sites. =P
But as for your other comments, I’m afraid they are simply not accurate. There hasn’t been a single fansigning only for Koreans or Korean residents,. All of them have been open to anyone from any country who wins the drawing. And at each of them, there have been a very large number of Japanese. The ONLY event JYJ have held solely for Korean residents was the White Day fanmeeting in March 2011. There have been many events, however, exclusively for Japanese. It’s really been in the last year they’ve become so Japan-focused.
And as for the concerts, as I said they have had enormous Japanese contingents, starting all the way back with the Seoul showcases. I don’t know who is informing you otherwise, but the concerts are increasingly dominated by Japanese because C-JeS keeps giving them more and more tickets and has shut everyone in every other country out. I’m sorry, but this is true. And it’s highly irregular to use a Japanese company to sell tickets instead of Interpark’s own global site. I believe all the i-fans (and Korean fans) should be taking issue BIG TIME with C-JeS over this.
And trust me, I’m well aware Japanese are filthy rich. I live in Korea, thus I am reminded of Korea’s worship of Japanese yen on a daily basis. It’s so overtly shallow it’s offensive. (Hard to explain it; kinda have to experience it to understand why it’s so offensive.)
Actually, I didn’t count the number of JYJ events that were held ^^ Sorry. I’m actually really enjoying reading your comments. I apologize if some of my comments sound random or absurd X////X
Maybe people in Korea are just not willing to sign with JYJ or give them worse contracts then the Japanese one’s? I have no idea. Do you think the members of JYJ are aware of the Korean fans complaints?
The only thing that is kind of making me iffy……is it sounds like Koreans want Korean-only events…….and that doesn’t sound right to me. I agree with you that JYJ should not cater or give preferential treatment to one type of fan…..but they shouldn’t make events ‘Korean-only’.
Also, I remember when the Busan concert happened too. To me it felt like JYJ would rather have had a concert IN Japan….but since they couldn’t they made one close to Japan…..for the Japanese fans. Koreans were allowed to come though. I don’t see what is wrong with that….because they had a concert in Seoul too for Korean fans……..which only filled up 70%…….but that also included the Japanese fans. I don’t know how much they cater to Japanese fans….honestly…….but considering most of their activities are in Korea……..it seems Korean fans get to see them the most……just not in body. I mean The Day screening, Junsu’s musicals, the Korean drama’s they are acting in, the albums they have released………those are all mostly in Korean.
Also, if we look at the activities of other idol groups…..are they not the same? The only difference being that those groups are allowed on TV and JYJ isn’t.
If you can list more specific recent events besides the Busan concert and Lotte fanmeets it would be helpful to me in understanding your perspective
I would also be very interested in further commentary. It’s always difficult but incredibly enlightening for us far-off fans to get a perspective from “in the trenches” so to speak. A lot of us have no idea how it is in SK, just as we don’t have any idea how it is in the local areas of most of the rest of us (hope that makes sense =P) so please know that I for one really appreciate you talking about this stuff.
@JJ=oxygen
I’m not sure where you got the idea anyone wants Korean-only events. If you took that from anything I said I certainly didn’t intend it. I’m not ethnically Korean, so I certainly don’t want racially-segregated events. Although everything is so overrun by Japanese, I can see why some might desperately want it. You have to remember, fans went through exactly this same thing with TVXQ, except (AFAIK) there weren’t events for Japanese held in Korea, so they have a long history of misery on this subject. JYJ has had six successful concerts in Japan since they left SME (granted two of them were under Avex), which is the same number as they’ve had in Korea as a group. Regarding blaming Koreans for not selling out that enormous Olympic stadium, it was VERY VERY cold, it was outdoors, it was exorbitantly expensive (much higher than any other shows in Korea), it was in the middle of high school midterm exams (which is taken very seriously here), and most of the decent seats were given to Japanese scalpers (they were all up for sale on Yahoo! Japan). Also, it was open to everyone, everywhere in the world. Anyone, anywhere could easily buy a ticket using Interpark’s global site.
Korea IS their home, after all. It’s only natural they have more events here than anywhere else. And a lot of this stuff you mentioned – the musicals? Tickets are mostly sold to Japanese tour companies. I have never, ever gotten tickets to one of Junsu’s musicals. They sell out in like 2 minutes. And everything you listed was open to everyone, everywhere in the world. Yes, people flew from overseas to see ‘The Day’. I’m not going to pretend it’s not nice to be able to walk down the street and see a NII poster featuring JYJ, but I also have to see 5 million posters of people I absolutely hate shoved in my face at the same time (LOL). And it seems everyone on this board is just as able to watch Korean dramas as I am, because the torrents go up within hours of it airing on Korean TV. Plus, you get subtitles faster because channels like Viki are blocked in Korea. Trust me, watching it live on TV is absolutely nothing special. It’s fun, but it’s not like it makes me amazingly lucky. =P And it’s quite easy to buy CDs from anywhere in the world. I’ve never heard of anyone actually having a problem doing so, outside of very rare instances. I bought just as many Korean CDs when I lived outside Korea as I do living here now. And even things like Junsu’s recent fansigning – I didn’t even know about it in advance, plus it occurred on a weekday during the daytime, clearly aimed at tourists who don’t have a job.
As for me, I do find it morally wrong to have Japanese-only events outside of Japan, but everyone has their own perceptions of racism. If they tried that crap in America they’d be murdered. Koreans are used to being dumped on by Japanese, though… historically. T_T
As for a list of events held in Korea that were only for Japanese, here are some off the top of my head:
all Lotte fanmeetings (2010, 2011, 2012)
Ottogi Kis-myun fanmeeting (2012)
Rooftop Prince fanmeeting (2012)
NII fanmeeting (2012)
upcoming NII fanmeeting (2012)
Events at which all foreigners except Japanese were excluded and for which japanese got preferred seating:
Busan concert (2011)
Gwangju concert (2011)
Junsu Seoul concert (2012)
Events only for residents of Korea (not Korean people, just Korean residents):
Whtie Day fanmeeting (2011)
Events open for everyone:
Everything else
Anyway, yeah, I don’t really know how to explain it but for someone living a fairly normal life (as in doesn’t spend constant time running around trying to track down JYJ’s whereabouts), being in Korea does present some opportunities and overall I like it. But it’s nothing like what I think many i-fans think it is: no special advanced news, poor publicity for non-CJeS fan events (NII, Ottogi, dramas, etc) (I usually learn about them when the pictures get posted afterwards here), tickets hard to get because Japanese given them preferentially.
Anyhoo, didn’t realize this would become such a big deal. I assumed i-fans were aware because I remember fans who had bought plane tickets to the Busan concert only to learn C-JeS wouldnt’ even allow them to buy concert tickets. T_T
@springbok
thanks! I hope I don’t come off like a know-it-all. Definitely not my intent! I also appreciate others’ perspectives because sometimes I get caught up in life-in-Korea mode, which is at times overwhelming. I find myself having more knee-jerk reactions to things than I did before I moved here, and those reactions can carry over into the JYJ realm, as well! So thanks for being welcoming~
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
As many of the sisters here might tell you, I’m pretty pragmatic and practical in my approach to life. I’m also no spring chicken and have a pretty decent idea about how the “real world” ticks. No matter how hard we try, if we don’t live in a certain place it’s difficult to understand the good and bad things that come with living in that place.
Case in point: tons of i-fans rave that if JYJ comes to their country they will go and see the concert. I know very very well that if JYJ comes to my country, I won’t be going. Worse than that, I know very well that if JYJ comes to my STATE I won’t be going. A lot of people don’t realize that Hawaii is a series of islands, and i don’t live on the “main” island, so it would be very expensive in terms of airfare, hotel, car rental, plus tickets etc for my husband and I to go to a concert. And to go to one outside the state? Impossibly expensive. When I can’t even be visiting my brother to see my new niece or nephew that’s on the way, how can i justify the concert?
Another case in point, when we used to visit my grandparents in South Africa, it was standard procedure that neither my brother or I would ever walk on the streets without being accompanied by at least one adult. This was in a good sized town in a “peaceful” area of the country. But it was right before the real you-know-what hit the fan, and racial tensions were extremely high. However, if you didn’t live there, you would not know that this is something the people there lived with on a daily basis.
So yeah, I have a great appreciation of how being “in the trenches” allows you to see another side of a situation. You have mentioned a lot of stuff among your posts here on this discussion that I was not aware of. The sheer volume of “shove this down your throat” advertising/idol-pushing is pretty mind-boggling to me. I had heard that things were “in your face” but to have it described as literally not being able to turn on the tv, listen to the radio, or walk down the street without being inundated with it makes me VERY grateful that we have such strict “anti-billboard” laws where I live! and that’s something I never really thought about, just took it for granted, until you mentioned it.
It is also good to hear about some of the shortcomings of CJES. If we know about them, we can do something, even if that is only to plaster them with email asking them to change their stance. Plastering JYJ themselves with similar things is also a good idea, people send them gifts, including notes about that stuff would certainly be one option. Goodness knows that none of us are perfect. I don’t know if CJES is doing these things at JYJ’s direction, or if CJES is advising JYJ that this is “the best way” or whatever, but the only way to have even a 0.01% chance at having that attitude change is if the international, non-Japanese, and domestic Korean (as in residents of Korea, not specifically ethnic Koreans) make a stink about it. A big stink, and a loud stink. “The squeaky wheel gets the oil” isn’t a time-tested adage for nothing,
And yes, welcome to JYJ3, thanks for coming by and giving us your thoughts on all this. I hope you stick around, in spite of and despite the fact that I’m sure some of the things you say might rub people’s fur the wrong way, at the end of the day, we all should be grateful to get an inside look. Because yes, you’re right, we don’t get to hear a lot of this stuff. We don’t hear about the shortcomings of JYJ and/or CJES that much. I know why, but at the same time I’m under no delusion that any of these people are anything other than human beings, with just as much ability to screw up as the rest of us! This isn’t (or shouldn’t) be the cult of JYJ, and people should be able to express their opinions without being shot down.
And I just realized how dang long this is… O__O wow now I remember how I used to manage to spend all day doing this stuff a year ago LOLOL!
About JYJ3 policy in filtering the news, i understand JYJ3 intention to protect JYJ by didnt posting negative and baseless news.
But, i also think that JYJ3 refused to post articles that contain negative evaluations about JYJ or individual works of the member. For those fans who rely solely on JYJ3 to get news, they will only hear all flowery and sky high prises. While actually, there are also negative evaluations out there. I am a bit disappointed toward JYJ3 about this.
@ Dr. Jin
Your last post was long O____O Sorry for making you spend that much time! But, I really appreciate it. I learned a lot ^0^
Thank you for giving me a better understanding of the situation.
I still think it may possibly be because of the fact that JYJ only gets those kinds of opportunities (More companies in Korea want to cater to the Japanese because the yen is worth more….=____=).
I don’t think JYJ would ever give preferential treatment to one type of fan. And, I don’t want to solely blame C-Jes…..even though I DO side-eye them on A LOT of issues. I still remember during Mirotic promotions when JJ cried in front of fans when he was apologizing for having come back to Korea after so long…and he was afraid fans would leave. T.T Then, they did not have control of the situation. Even now….we don’t know the reality of how much they are blocked.
I do think though that JYJ should consider holding Korean club fanmeets. I mean SME does them at least once a year for their groups. But, the problem is that they would need to find a promoter……and how do they do that?
The problem maybe is that I don’t like hearing complaints in general. I would rather have a complaint…..and then suggestions on how to fix that issue. It leads to better discussions. Maybe that can be the continuation of our topic. How do we help JYJ improve in the area’s where they are weak in….and could possibly be costing them fans? Any suggestions…?
@Juliang
I don’t think JYJ3 has a policy against posting negative news in the GAP or ODP. If you have any that you know of, or have heard of, please link it somewhere on this thread, and we can discuss it. Even if it is very biased.
I don’t think that JYJ3 should post negative news though or waste their time translating it. They have no duty to anyone to do that. It also brings annoying trolls and anti’s to this forum.
@Juliang
” For those fans who rely solely on JYJ3 to get news, they will only hear all flowery and sky high prises. While actually, there are also negative evaluations out there. I am a bit disappointed toward JYJ3 about this.”
I think most of us here on JYJ3 know where to go by now to read negative evaluations of JYJ. 6 Theory, until recently All K-Pop, Soompi, YouTube… etc have all provided forums for rude behavior and negative comments. Then again, the level of being in reality and actual knowledge and credibility of the posters to these sites is pretty glaringly lacking, in my opinion anyway. A lot of us here just get tired of reading it and getting mercilessly flamed the minute we disagree so we tend to stay away. I try to check in from time to time and like I said I have noticed that at least All K-Pop has been showing a much larger percentage of positive commenters than previously, which seems hopeful.
But this is why I do tend to be a bit suspicious and protective of our little island in the storm: we have been invaded by trolls and antis so many times and God Love them, they do seem to follow a tried and true pattern of behavior that is pretty easy to spot by now. The most glaring, for me, has been: showing up out of nowhere and starting right in with a lot of negative, discord producing “information” to educate us all.
But if we really wish to see what the other side has to say, I think we all know it’s out there if we want to go searching after it.
@Lilibaiyu quoting @Juliang
” For those fans who rely solely on JYJ3 to get news, they will only hear all flowery and sky high prises. While actually, there are also negative evaluations out there.”
I wouldn’t mind seeing critical articles from reliable Korean sources to get a more balanced picture of what is going on in Korea. I’m not talking about the fan sites or commenters, but stuff in the mainstream media (I wouldn’t even mind a post or two of what’s getting in the tabloids, what they focus on says a lot about a culture.)
However, I understand if JYJ3 wants to remain as a JYJ cheerleader; it is great to be able to come to a place and know you’re going to be smiling when you leave it. It’s too bad that The JYJ Files has gone…I won’t say dark, but there is only a faint glow. That might have been a better forum for exploring the bigger picture.
@everyone
No, am not talking about all those blogs, am talking about critics from experts in News.
Those blogs are something that accessible and fans can choose on their own whether they want to read it or not.
I will post more about this matter in upcoming Open Discussion, i guess it will be more effective.
See you there
I think it’s nothing to do with SoMeone this time….It’s lotte decision beside i guess JYJ = Lotte contract already ended…This company already help them a lot since the beginning…. I remember reading something in the middle of 2010 when JYJ was offered model for them, SoMeone offered 2 of their most famous groups in their company but Lotte rejected them instead they take JYJ under their wings……..And they even help with ‘The Day’…..But still it’s business…It’s time for JYJ and BigBang to go…..I dont know why but i see Lotte like Prains…
Actually, I think you’re right. Lotte Department Store recently hired Girls’ Generation to advertise for them, which was unprecedented. Then suddenly they didn’t renew JYJ and instead replaced them with Super Junior. What’s exceptionally weird is that SM artists have been spokespeople for Lotte Duty Free’s competitor, Shilla Duty Free. Though only Yunho & Changmin were technically their models, walking in to a SDF store was like walking into an SM showcase.
For the record, Big Bang has been with LDF for at least two years that I can remember, along with Kim Hyun-joong, 2PM, and several others. JYJ were straight up replaced by Super Junior, unthinkable given SuJu’s “who??” status in Japan.
I think JYJ start model with Lotte in the middle of 2010…No?? i remember their advertisement with the late er..i forgot the name of JJ best friend that died that years..hem…Park Yong Ha?? (Aish i suddenly remember Park Ha….-_-!”) As far as i remember 2Pm was added later which is last year(still remember read it in allkpop last year)….I think JYJ might have 2 years contract with bigbang too..^^…..
yeah, I didn’t write that clearly. I’d misread the earlier comment and thought someone said JYJ were replaced by SJ and Big Bang. And I was trying to say BB was already on the roster. My fault! ^^ Yes, 2PM and various others just finished their first year.
TVXQ5 used to be LDF models, too (yes, with Park Young-ha). I dunno, I’m just sick about it. If they wanted fresh faces there are soooo many other artists they could have chosen, but to see them pick up GG and SJ at the same time…unthinkable! T_T
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
love your statement –> SuJu’s “who??”
i don’t really think that SuJu is so famous in Japan. is it because they just held their concert at Tokyo Dome, and then they got “very famous” title at Japan?
I had no idea!
I will miss JYJ In Lotte.
I’m actually not upset about this Lotte contract ending. Lotte has always rotated through people who are popular in Japan. They don’t usually keep people more than one year. Big Bang and JYJ were exceptions. The only thing that makes it sting is that GGen have a particular meaning to JYJ fans bec of the Jeju Island insult.
I like Ptb too but in Dr.Jin I think I just still unfamiliar with how his look there..I mean the character in Seaguk must have you know authority or power when they talk and act.. I just unfamiliar with jj in seaguk tone..but overall I love this drma..
Honestly I love hospital scene there…hehe.. I think JJ try hard to make his self into the seaguk character.. and for someone who act in seaguk for the fitst time eapecially with authority character he is wonderful..
I really wait Dr.jin next episode..I hope ai can be more familiar with it..hehe…
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@shadow
you mean that girl group?
I ever heard in another forum that Jyj Bigbang and that girlband is brand ambasador for different mart.. lotte have some branch mart which have differences..like place or something.. Imn’t sure how the differences they say that girlband is brand ambasador for mart which sell clothes and food only and JYj for mart in aiport(?)
Can someone explain about lotte mart please..
But when that girl come Im sure even if JYJ’s contract with lotte end lotte would never give another contract to them.
thats bad.. that agency so evil..
:O
Nope, not that girl group. SoMe others.
oh I know..that boyband…
I ‘m late to se new news..
I feel baf know..
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typo
bad..
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personally, I don’t like any of that SoMeone’s artists. I heard some of their members said JYJ are dogs that bites their master. I just can’t help myself from hating them.. (T_T)
admin, I’m sorry if I’m bashing. but they were the first one bashed JYJ.
That’s fine. JYJ fans are forever bashing SME artists to other people. They can’t help but say we are being sore… and that sux, because we are not exactly that sore anymore, considering that JYJ is still afloat in the industry despite the constant effort to drown them.
Ps: It’s true that some SME artist did tweet very hurtful tweets to JYJ. Worse part is, many of them used to be very close friends… like Boa and JJ… Suju and JYJ in general. The trax guy…
We just try to forget. No point dwelling on it anyway. But it is still hard to like them, especially those ‘involved’. (tbh) T^T
from what i remember, that certain member is talking about hangeng with that “dog bites master” analogy (and that only statement made me feel irked at him now even when he’s the reason why i’m digging kpop now). i never knew if they ever use this analogy about jyj, but they’ve said some worse thing.
Lotte is a big company. They have Lotte Mart, which is a discount-type store, Lotte Department Store, Lotte Duty Free (which is just one floor of selected Department Store locations and is at the airport), Lotte Super (supermarket), Lotte My Super (small supermarket), Lotte Cinema, and so on. So Lotte Duty Free is not just at the airport, there are many locations throughout Korea.
Girls’ Generation is the new spokesperson for Lotte Department Store. There are gigantic pictures of them all over Lotte World, an amusement park. I’ve never seen LDS have a spokesperson before, so I was shocked. I know SM pursued Lotte especially simply because it was a stronghold of JYJ’s. Not a single SM group was previously allowed on Lotte’s rosters, now two have shown up lickety split, one displacing JYJ.
@Dr Jin s-w lol
I’ve come up with a theory about how SME (and by extension most idol management) view endorsement opportunities. I think they do make money on it (the company, we know the artists don’t) but they see it more as publicity for their artists and — here’s the key — so do the companies that use them to endorse. Lotte knows that this deal is more important to SME than it is to Lotte and so they can negotiate accordingly. (Did SME do this for free? Wouldn’t put it past them.)
JYJ, on the other hand, has now proven that they are endorsement gold. It is to the advantage of the company to get them under contract, and JYJ…they don’t really need it. It’s really good money, they aren’t going to turn it down, but there will always be someone else who wants to sell out of their current supply of product.
It is more important to the company to close a deal with JYJ
I don’t think SME has “displaced” JYJ. I think the relationship between Lotte & JYJ have actually become a deeper one. I wouldn’t be surprised if JYJ requested that they be taken off of the campaign simply because they don’t want to be over-exposed (which would also lower their demand and their price). I can see them promoting the Lotte brand in different ways — fan meets, films …. other stuff. As you say, it’s a big company.
June 2 13:15PDT
@Eliza
This theory sits well with me as well.
There simply is no percentage in Lotte needing to haggle about who to use or not to use. As you say, over-exposure can also be a problem. Most advertisers use their endorsers for x number of years. The going number appears to be around 2. The reason Lotte is a $50B USD equivalent company, they make sound business decisions. It is a very large, diverse company. Lotte knows a good thing when they see one.
As you say, the company gets the money. Well my friends, let’s remind ourselves, the company ‘JYJ’ gets the money here. Make no mistake about it. There are too many advertisers out there, and a very big world. JYJ will get their fair share, I have no doubts at all.
5:32 PM EDT
@Eliza and BAFfie
I posted this vid yesterday but no one commented on it so I figured I’d give it one more shot here.
I think it is HIGHLY illustrative of SM’s inner workings and also the sheer palpable FEAR their artists appear to have about crossing them in ANY way.
Check out YoonA’s HORROR at hearing Hwanhee saying something negative about SMTown. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
@Lilibaiyu
Hello VE Sister. Hadn’t seen that before.
My reaction, they were typical for those under the Stockholm Syndrome. Say everything Big Brother wants to hear. One inescapable fact I’m learning about all this mess. The head honchos at these companies have some VERY thin skins. They don’t mind intimidating others, but they also don’t like hearing anything less sterling about themselves. What a bunch of wussies. In a parallel universe they should have to experience what JYJ is going through. Then come back and tell us how much fun they had.
Stuff like this kind of reminds me of Jerry Springer shows. Train wrecks, but you know they’re coming, and can’t be stopped. There’s also a vaudevillian aspect to them. Say and do anything outrageous to gain attention.
@lilibaiyu thank you for posting the video again. I didn’t see it the first time you posted it. Geez, they’re walking on eggshells. They’re so afraid that LSM might get pissed off. Hwanhee and Brian still had to say nice words about LSM even after what has been said. What I saw was that they don’t want to be banned on tv too. Okay I know I’m watching too much. lol! What also caught my attention was “feminine and obedient,” referring to their hairstyle. And that is SME’s way of taming their artists aside from making them cute in their 20s. Obedience is a good word supposedly but when associated with SME, I can’t help but think of slave contract.
@lilibaiyu
I didn’t find Yoona”s reaction shot anything more than the standard mugging for the camera. But it was the sucking up after the 3:30 mark, that was horrifying and pathetic. I understand the SM crew doing it, but I’ve lost all respect for Fly to the Sky.
You’re right, it’s very illustrative how the fear that even performers that don’t work for the company have of Lee SooMan and SME. And to tie this into the discussion topic just below us, did you notice who was in the SMTown clip? *shakes head*
I heard even Shinwa always thankful to LSM, they never really talk bad about SM. I dont understand, but i dont know the whole story ahout Shinwa left SM either or whether their reason to leave similar to JYJ’s or not. Am tired, forever delve too much into things.
@cakestar
“What also caught my attention was “feminine and obedient,” referring to their hairstyle. And that is SME’s way of taming their artists aside from making them cute in their 20s. Obedience is a good word supposedly but when associated with SME, I can’t help but think of slave contract.”
I know. The video held a wealth of revelations as far as I was concerned.
GOD, I am so glad Hwanhee got out!! He’s doing his army service now but he released a killer album before he left. He is also an artist to watch, an artist that will continue to grow over the years. Brian has released consistently great stuff in the last year or so too. He has really great song sense – he knows what will work for him.
@Eliza
“And to tie this into the discussion topic just below us, did you notice who was in the SMTown clip? *shakes head*”
Hi – I’m not sure what you are referring to above…explain a bit more?
Also… don’t be too hard in your assessment of FTTS. These guys went through the WRINGER at LSM’s hands, got subjected to all the indignities for probably the full 13 years and then were of course dumped out the door. Even so, LSM could do to them what he’s done to JYJ anytime for any reason, if they give him one. I don’t think any of us here can even imagine the malevolence of SM and how they control their people, both during and afterwards. They can end the career of a relatively minor artist with a smallish following like Brian Joo’s. End it. For Brian and someone like Hwanhee who lives to sing and has every right to have a long and successful career, that is REALLY intimidating.
@ Eliza
Hmmm you have some interesting ideas about the situation. I will consider them and thanks for sharing! I’m still pissed at Lotte but I will mull it over some more. ^^
I personally feel SM is doing a lot of endorsements for free (I have no proof, of course), simply because their endorsements are suddenly spiking for no discernible reason. For instance, SuJu’s Kyochon chicken ads were a thing of a the past, ancient history. All of a sudden they have been aggressively revived and its SuJu in everyone’s face 24/7, even though they don’t have a new CD out. I am 100% in agreement that endorsements generally are not done to make money, they are done for exposure purposes.
I won’t speculate on JYJ’s motivations or feelings – though I see enormous amounts of that goes on at this site, so we probably won’t see eye to eye on the value or danger of doing such. I’m a bit of a hypocrite because I’m perfectly content to speculate on companies’ motivations (LOL) but like to steer clear of JYJ’s.
@lilibaiyu
Yoochun was front and centre at the beginning of the SMTown clip. With the talk down thread of SME now acknowledging that JYJ exists and was part of the SME family in order to promote their own current product, it seemed a bit ironic.
Yeah, I know I shouldn’t judge too harshly, but the hypocrisy gets to me. If SME is a threat then why not just be silent on the whole issue. Not to mention, the fact that the clip turned into an SME love-fest by the end which made me kinda queezy in general.
June 2 10:40PDT
@lilibaiyu
Ewww….what a kissass, ESPECIALLY Leeteuk the ultimate brown-noser. I know that Hwanhee was somewhat joking but you can hear the steel edge underneath his laugh. I can’t say I blame him. He was forced to act fake with a bunch of noobies in horrible summer heat and then in the winter cold. Young boys DON’T want to act “cute” and they took their music very seriously…being forced to sing dumb carols and make a mockery of the concept they took to heart as aspiring artists…..just pisses me off. Also WTF is up with those haircuts? Reminds me of the early DBSK days….I just can’t stop cringing.
@ Everyone + Eliza
Great video – thanks for sharing! I, too, find it very, very revealing.
@ Eliza – as for the kiss-assing after 3:30, I kind of understand it and see the irony in it. I think many Koreans would read between the lines and see the FTTS are, at that point, acting like they’re “supposed” to and are not actually backing down from what they said. That their words are ironic and “proper” and not actually kissing LSM’s butt. I could be wrong, of course! But I think there they are acting subtle, ironic, and very “Korean”. Korean behavior has a lot of thin veneers on top of it. Like how it’s pretended that girls are all sweet and virginal and pure until their chaste weddings, when in reality evvvvvery Korean knows unmarried girls get laid just as much as Korean boys and as girls in other countries; it’s just that there is a phony and “socially acceptable” way people act about it. Sorry, I don’t think I’m making a lot of sense. Please read my mind. =D
@Dr Jin s-w lol
If you think that there is a danger in speculating on JYJ’s emotions and feeling then you’re right, we won’t see eye-to-eye.
For me, that’s the whole point of being here! But then my main way of being a fan has been as a writer (indulging in speculation since 2000), motives and emotions are my way of connecting, although before JYJ/DBSK it was only with fictional characters.
However, I try (not always successfully) to keep the speculation here on JYJ3 based in reality, more extrapolation of events.
And for this thread, I am thinking of JYJ as the company entity making business decisions, not their personal feeling on the matter.
June 2 10:55PDT
Watching this video again…noticed something else…..The audience was clapping like crazy. None of the typical fake laughter….no the audience was loving this. 2nd…..when Hwanhee and Brian sang the RnB version of jingle bells they said it was embarrassing and looked pissed yet I distinctly heard Yoona say it was “funny”……hmmm….gee I wonder if she thought it was “funny” when SNSD embarrassed themselves in the 2011 Summer Sonic concert. I wonder if she laughed after their utterly lame performance of “Bad Girl” in front of a completely stoic audience. Do you guys remember that fiasco? This annoying sissy pop group singing in Japan’s rock concert after veteran (and a million times better) rock acts like RHCP and X Japan. How they were stared at?
I wonder if that little “b” laughed all the way home. Her hypocrisy astounds me.
@Dr Jin s-w lol
Consider your mind read.
Yeah, I get it. And I understand the reasons behind it which is why I just don’t want to see it.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol About them doing endorsements for free, I seem to recall in the beginning of the lawsuit hearing that the SM contract does not pay the artist at all for cfs, magazine shoots, etc. I assume that it is because the company can use those as publicity and not have to receive money for it – or rather, receive money for the company but none for the artist.
You say that most adults in Korea side with SM. I am an ahjumma fan, so I am an adult, though not in Korea. How any adult can listen to teenage and early 20s young people being so abused and feel their blood boil, makes me think they just don’t know all the facts. SM’s specialty is deception. His professional ability is creating alternate realities that other people believe are real.
@Lisa
“How any adult can listen to teenage and early 20s young people being so abused and feel their blood boil, makes me think they just don’t know all the facts. SM’s specialty is deception. His professional ability is creating alternate realities that other people believe are real.”
100% true, in my opinion. SM is entirely false, evil and deceptive. All of their self-serving tactics are now being revealed to us all in, among other forums, JYJ3. Let us all never, never forget that, in the heart of S. Korea, there dwells a monster of greed, arrogance and megalomaniacal entitlement. They have never been seriously crossed or held to account UNTIL NOW. They are currently doing everything they can possibly think of to derail JYJ. So be wary of any information that lessens their crimes against the talented youth of SK and points the finger at JYJ, who simply wanted their freedom as INCREDIBLY TALENTED artists.
@Juliang: shinhwa left SM when their contract expired. eric received a contract offering while the others not, and he rejected it. they had lawsuit about “shinhwa” brand name, but they won it. idk more than that, but i heard they also had a period where they’re cock-blocked (?)…
i’m also a bit confused when shinhwa said all those good thing about lee sooman. maybe… lee sooman isn’t a bad person at all?
@Lisa & lili
Oh on an emotional level I am totally with you. It leaves me speechless to hear adults praise SM. The thing is, I’m starting to realize that they don’t really have any idea what is going on. Of course they’d be angered to hear of young people being abused, but they don’t know about it or they don’t believe it. I know when this first all went down, I figured it must be all over the news in Korea. And I guess it was….sort of. But it was quickly covered up, and now SM is bringing “glory” to Korea so all is forgiven. After all, if Girls Generation are so gosh darn pretty they must be treated very well and be very lucky, right? (Yes, I’m eyerolling too.) But, that seems to be the perception. I think also, as a foreigner, Koreans may speak differently on the issue toward me than they might to another Korean, since their instinct is to make things look as perfect as possible to outsiders. Historically, I understand that instinct, though personally it drives me nuts. But yeah, overall Korea is about covering things up and pretending things are all better than actually changing them.
I wanna say here that I might make Koreans sound heartless. In actuality, I find many aspects of the general Korean personality to be incredibly kind in a way I’ve never encountered before. I mean that truthfully. But every culture has its quirks and Korea’s method of solving problems is one of its quirks, I guess.
@retrokim
“I wonder if that little “b” laughed all the way home. Her hypocrisy astounds me.”
The girl is living within a cult. She is a prisoner of this cult and has been brainwashed by it. It’s pretty simple, actually. SM functions in all ways exactly like any other cult. All of the “training” they are always talking about? Two years of it!? Plenty of time to teach the youngsters how to act, what to say, what to do and how to praise them in public. SM is one scary place. Because once you’re in yu can’t get out until they decide to throw you out.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter
“@Lisa & lili Oh on an emotional level I am totally with you. It leaves me speechless to hear adults praise SM. The thing is, I’m starting to realize that they don’t really have any idea what is going on. Of course they’d be angered to hear of young people being abused, but they don’t know about it or they don’t believe it.”
For some people I guess staying ignorant means they never have to do anything about a problem. SM is presenting themselves as Korea’s glitzy ambassador to global riches via the Hallyu Wave. It’s a very tasty sugar pill to swallow, just like the dolled up sex objects they specialize in churning out – all surface jollies, Zero depth or relevance to real music.
The JYJ case is ugly and and shocking and is up to this minute a huge national embarrassment to every Korean who claims to believe in the principles of democracy and fair play. Oh, and the non-exploitation of children. Yes, it must be a difficult choice for the Korean public to make, seeing as how they also have one other rather nasty seeming little prejudice: they don’t particularly think they should need to care about the welfare of Idol singers.
Ohwl, this is deebak. Thank you admin. Now i am off to read every comment
This idea is awesome thanks! Well this has been bugging me for a while, if SM are saying TVXQ are a duo then why in the heck they are using JYJ voices in some of their songs, tjey shpuld start from zero as two and another thing if SM don’t acknowledge JYJ as part of TVXQ they should give them the freedom because they are just doing just fine as 3!
Ah, you are under the mistaken impression that SME and doing the right thing are mutually inclusive.
No, it’s not.
Since TVXQ2 doesn’t have the voice over their material, they sing whatever SME gives them. The main reason, SM held onto the other two is because of the TVXQ catalog. Lots of money there. No need to spend a great deal of money on newer songs. Using the JYJ voices just goes to show SM has no shame to its game.
Believe me I felt sorry at first for HoMin but not anymore, in an interview both said they were a duo and I change my mind on those two, my impressions are aginst SM not in approval of their dirty deeds, JYJ deserve their freedom and not to be stepped all over still by SM or anyone!
@BAFfie
Thought ya might like this, sis. It’s got SM written all over it!
http://twitpic.com/9s69yz
Just to make things clear, I’m against SM and JYJ has my 100% support, don’t want anyone thinking else of my discussion or twisting my words in the wrong way!
Me like very much.
@Silvia, no worries. I’m not confused.
Look, SME brings out the raw in just about everyone here. And as the illustration so ably puts it…KARMA, she knows where LSM lives and works.
@butterflies
I know what you mean KARMA is yhe only one we can rely on to slap those that deserve it! Your awesome though!
ai uta on 22.30 PM wrote:
@Silvia
sorry if my question is inappropriate. Would you mind to show us where did you find homin using jyj voices? Maybe you could give me a clue on which performances they’ve done it, so i could search the video for myself. Thank you. A side note: this ODP is a great idea, *thumbsup to admins*
@ ai uta
Maximum, you can hear Jae’s voice first and in the english Yoochun, not please at all by this, plus some of the songs they are singing Jae wrote them, wonder if he would have any rights to them! In my opinion Mirotic will be sing better by JYJ, anyways Jae wrote it!
@Silvia
“plus some of the songs they are singing Jae wrote them, wonder if he would have any rights to them!”
No, during the SM years the company owns everything, forever, without exception. As to whether the guys ever got their songwriter’s share of their royalties, that I don’t know, because I have never heard any discussion of the actual terms (or lack thereof) of their publishing agreement with SM. In the U.S. it would of course be illegal to withhold a songwriter’s share of publishing royalties unless an advance had been given that needed to be re-couped. (and we know THAT didn’t happen.) So the bottom line is, we just don’t know a lot about their publishing situation during the SM years except for the fact that SM owns all the copyrights and can do as they please with all of the songs.
OH Well to me is just so frustrating on that case hope soon we see the end of the lawsuit, thanks for all your comments!
@Silvia
“In my opinion Mirotic will be sing better by JYJ, anyways Jae wrote it!”
Jaejoong never wrote the song Mirotic but in the album he covered Forgotten Season and wrote his rap in Wrong Number. He was also the composer, lyricist, and arranger of Don’t Cry My Lover which was in Mirotic Version C. Unfortunately, DB5K have never performed this song, not even in their Mirotic tour (sad I know
). Yoochun wrote and composed Love Bye Love which contains a rap written by Junsu. I think these are all the songs they made/participated in during the Mirotic era.
If I remember correctly, I don’t think those-who-must-not-be-named have touched a song written by any of the JYJ members because if they did, the gate to hell would literally explode open. However, the-two-who-must-not-be-named did use JYJ’s voices as backtrack during some of their performances of DB5K songs.
Oops! Left one song out! Picture of You was also written by Junsu. ^^
G@green bean
Junsu, Chanming and Jae wrote the lyrics of Mirotic, and some other songs not entirely but part of them, I know what I’m saying!
@Silvia
The title song Mirotic? I think you’re confusing it with their individual songs because Junsu, Jaejoong, and Changmin participated in the creation of the album but did not write or compose Mirotic. Junsu wrote Picture of You, Jaejoong Don’t Cry My Lover, and Changming the Korean version of Love In The Ice, all three in the Mirotic album. The song itself was bought by SME from a team in Europe. My Mirotic album says that it is not written by any of the members but by Yoo Young-Jin who also wrote, arranged, and composed Hey! Don’t Bring Me Down.. Mirotic was composed by Sigvardt, Mikkel Remee, Lucas Secon, Thomas Troelsen.
Lol. I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here:
Jae didn’t write Mirotic, but he composed and wrote the lyrics to “Don’t Cry my lover” which was in the album “Mirotic”.
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@ GBCWAPH
Junsu did not write “A Picture of U”, instead he rewrote the original lyrics (sang by the North/?) into Korean lyrics. Neither did he write the raps in “Love by Love”, but instead he sang a part of that rap in that song. However the song was indeed composed and writen by Chun.
I don’t think Jaejoong wrote the song. He did come up with the word ‘Mirotic’ though.
@loveunchanged
I got the information about Junsu writing Picture of You and his rap from Junsu’s biography here in JYJ3 (http://jyj3.net/biography/kim-junsu/), it says he wrote the lyrics for it but did not compose it. On the actual album, it also says that the lyrics were written by Xiah Junsu, composed by Tuohey Alfred Date, Bui Thang Vu, and arranged by someone who’s name is written in hangul. On the credits for Love Bye Love, the album says it’s written, composed, and arranged by Yoochun but the raps were written by Xiah Junsu and U-Know Yunho.
@loveunchanged
I feel awkward now, LOL! That’s why this open discussion are great to learn and I thank you for that info, but still my thoughts on those two that now they are calling themselves a duo should start with new songs that didn’t involve the time when jyj were part of that group and even have the guts to add their voices! Just feel outraged by all SM stupidity that’s all
@silvia
I agree with your view, it would have been prudent and proper if tvxq duo started from zero, just like jyj. But then again others would argue that it wasn’t duo’s fault to be left as duo, jyj left sm, so the duo are the victims who actually turned heroes to save and continue what tvxq started and accomplished, for the love of the fans. Oh seemingly rational right? Ok fine.
What is totally unacceptable to me, even very shameful, if i may say, is when they use JYJ voices when the duo promote and perform tvxq songs to date. For me this is a slap on the duo’s face and a shameful, ruthless act of SM [& avex] all for profits’ sake. For these companies ethical practice seems to be forgotten or never heard. As what @BAF said “SME and doing the right thing are mutually inclusive” – No, it’s NOT!
i have moved on but each time i hear reports of sm or duo using jyj voices – i cry in anger and cringe in fear on what fate would do for the blatant injustice done!
@jyj1214
You’re so right, I feel the same, that’s why I started my discussion with this.just hoping SM stop playing with fire because sooner or later they’ll get burn!
@jyj1214
“But then again others would argue that it wasn’t duo’s fault to be left as duo, jyj left sm, so the duo are the victims who actually turned heroes to save and continue what tvxq started and accomplished, for the love of the fans. Oh seemingly rational right? ”
Uhhhhh…… no, not really… I mean maybe if I was 13 years old and had already received years of TVXQ brainwashing by the company, but being a rational adult, brain unwashed and intact, it seems a little bit (no a lot) too ~convenient~ a rationalization.
It seems to me only the most naive fans would accept this nonsense whole heartedly.
SM figured out the 2 weakest members, the ones that were waffling the most about leaving and threatened the hell out of them. They knew that unless they retained at least one of the original members, they could NOT continue to exploit the name TVXQ legally, which would cost them millions. Then their fantasy writers went to work and created this heroic rationale, this FICTION about how loyal and heroic Homin was, how they were “carrying on the name for the FANS!” What a laugh that is. SM has already demonstrated how much they care about the fans on numerous occasions, like for instance refusing to negotiate with the members of TVXQ in the first place which would have caused them to STAY. But no. This whole nightmare is of SM’s making, because in their greed and arrogance, they said NO to everything the members asked for and were legitimately entitled to after 8 years of hard labor and after having made the company hundreds of millions of dollars..
SM only cares about the company and has no feeling whatsoever towards their celebrities, like I said before, TVXQ as duo should start from zero, new songs that doesn’t involve when JYJ were part of it because they are still taking advantage of our boys by leaving their voices in some songs. The fans that know what is going on will see things for what they are and not live in the fairytale of the past that is just absurd!
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sorry adminie,…. i’ll follow your rules
i’m so excited with this new site, and not yet read the rules first
This is a bit late on my part. But thank you admins.
¡WOW! An open discussion post. Great. Thanks dear adminies
this is a great idea admins, you really did great!!!
Nice idea^^
Thank you for clarifiation!
It is just that i got that insight when watchin fancams of ToH where he got a lot of dialogues. I think his acting is good but when i thought over i realized that his acting there will be awkward if i see it in drama (the actual result is in heaven mv and SOAW cameo), because it is just a tad bit more exaggerating than our daily expression. So, from that i kinda drew conclusion that subtle expression isnt our Junsu best forte. Different from you, i think he has a knack to do stage acting (w/o music) but of course if he has option to do the one with music he def will do the later
But, i would be glad if he has a musical drama/movie to test this theory
i’m very curious about the JYJ fanmeeting this month.
anyone here will attending the fanmeeting? or anyone knows new news about it?
I’m sooo curios too…
There are actually two events. One is a large fan event that all C-JeS members can attend, so long as you RSVP. The other is a fanmeeting, and from what I can tell you have to win a lottery or something. Not really sure what the method of selection is, nor when fans will be chosen. C-JeS is not very good at communicating. T_T But I’m planning to go to the fan event, which is just something to walk around and look at, I think. No JYJ members present or anything. It’s not for another month, so…
lucky you have chance to attend the event
what i’m worry about, c-jes doesn’t make follow up about the event. i’m so worry, does it get cancelled suddenly?
I don’t think you need to be worried. Right now sign-up is going on at the C-JeS website. That’s what the popup box is when you view the Korean version of the site. A lot of the in-Korea stuff that C-JeS posts doesn’t get translated onto sites like JYJ3, but it doesn’t mean the information isn’t out there! ^^ (Makes things really, really hard for an i-fan like me, because I have a terrible time finding the info. JYJ3, please post more specifics about in-Korea events! =D)
For JYJ Japan, the lottery for the fanmeeting was finished and those lucky enough to get in has received notifications already.
June 3, 1250PM SGT (GMT +8)
Oh based on someone else’s comment, I may have misunderstood you. Did you mean the Japanese Lotte fanmeet or the C-JeS event? I was talking about the C-JeS event.
thanks admin for this.
my brain is stimulated already by the discussions.
Ohhh yeah I just saw this .. and I became excited for some unknown reason.. I kinda miss this ^_____________^
Love the idea… Tnx admins… meet new friends & create more fan bondings….
This is kinda random.. but i hope at the last quarter of this year.. after Jaejoong gets to finish Jackal and rest for a while.. I get to hear news of a JYJ album,.. After hearing Tarantallegra.. am excited to know how JYJ’s musicality have improved in terms of composing and writing compared to their In Heaven album..
No Gain and Tarantallegra.. if there is a sign that JYJ i already finding the type of sound they wanted to be their brand.. i think these are good samples.. I see them going the R&Bish route which I personally like given their voice quality and techniques..
me too… I’m hoping for JYJ’s album after all their individual activities…
@jenknight18
My ninja sister, I too am looking forward to the next JYJ album. Hopefully, they all take a break from acting and concentrate on music. Yes, musicals are acting.
Then they will be fresh for other acting gigs. For selfish reasons, I hope they go the R&B route. So, we’ll have to wait and see. The one thing I believe we can count on, they will do their best to make it good. I see dedication and hardwork on all their projects. Each one has its own level of success on it. While each one may not be perfect, they at least try hard to do their best. They just get better and better.
@BAFfie and My Ninja
If their writing for the next album is anything like “Lullaby” (Junsu) and “No Gain” (Jaejoong) I. CAN’T. WAIT! Those two songs continue to completely knock me out on the Xia album. Both these artists have grown as writers since their last outing, “In Heaven.”
OMG it is only June 2, but there is a lot’s of topic that you are discussing now… I don’t know how to follow…
I think my 1st comment is the first topic about Jae’s character in Dr. Jin….I think everybody are entitled to their opinion, Any positive or negative opinion it could help to Jae’s to improve his performance, if I am the shoes of Jae’s I am more focus on the negatives comments, then analyze it and find all those weakness and find a way how to resolve it on this way, he can improve himself more
Since this is the beginning of JYJ career as actors for me It is better to start from nothing then constantly you grow…. rather than you are on the peak then fall…
As a commentator I would rather say what my true feelings If I love his acting I will praise him….. but If I think I am not satisfied I will say it too…. the only thing we need is to say in a good manner with professionalism so that we could not mislead the reader of our real intention.
First of all, thanks for opening this discussion…. because I believe I will learn a lot….first knowing the JYJ more, and how to deal all of you by changing our point of view aside from improving my grammar
Yes, practice makes you perfect 
Now let me read the other topic first before I make another comments
@pazpranz
“OMG it is only June 2, but there is a lot’s of topic that you are discussing now… I don’t know how to follow… ”
LOL!! How about one at a time. Take your time, we’re not going anywhere.
Oh by the way, welcome onboard.
I kind of miss our JYJ activities as the three quarter of the year they are doing their individual activities. Junsu with his musical and his Xia concert. Jae with his Dr Jin and the Jackal. Yoochun with his RTP, which already ended and left me with such a deep longing and denial that it is over. Wonder how long it will take me to finally say, ok… lets move on the other drama..
I do agree with everyone here. Junsu doesnt breath in air.. he breath in music…. i wonder how he will survive without music. Even alone he will hum to himself. Junsu is music and music is Junsu. I love most of his creation in “Xia (준수)Tarantallegra, be it dance music or his ballad. But of course i love his ballads the most. Since i am not a musical person, i cant really take all his musical. I know he is great, because not many can achieve success like him… but then musical is not my thing. I can only say that all his costume is deebak. Another thing that i love about Junsu is his dancing. In my eyes, out of the three, Junsu’s dancing is the best. He is blatantly sexy on stage. Just like he breath in music, his body breath in dancing. I dont know about acting in drama. I remember Junsu said he find acting is tiresome and cant understand how his two brothers can stand it (during his cameo in SOAW). But then, if he suddenly find the urge to do it, i am sure he can..
I have watched most of Jae’s drama, Sunao, Heaven’s Postman and PTB and i think i like PTB best. Cant say much about Dr Jin as i havent watch it yet. Jae has such a divine smile that it light up his brooding face, and a very soothing voice when singing. My preference in music is a slow and light, especially of sentimental or romantic one, so Insa, For You, Its Only My World and For You Is Separation are my most favourite.
Yoochun is best when acting, i think. He can convey emotions effortlessly. His eyes spoke volumes, his half smile is so endearing, his voice… oh hell, its what draws me to him in the first place. Out of his four dramas… Beautiful Love was his first??? Lee Sun Joon was always my favourite but Lee Gak is most outstanding. Personally i saw only Lee Gak for the past three months, and i think he was in love with Lee Gak too. He was so immersed in his Lee Gak’s role that he even cried when Pak Ha was shooting the last scene of his disappearance. He was acting with his heart.. and he nailed the show. It was his popularity that make people notice RTP globally and am very proud of him. I am hoping he will turn badass for his next project. It was a short scene in Ripley that people were hoping he went to dark side but he didnt.. and i do want to see him does it… If we have PMY with Jae in Dr Jin, kekekeke, can we have Han Hyo Joo with Yoochun in his next drama? The badass guy who is singging You are My Girlfriend when HYJ saves him from himself
@wanzaf
i love reading your post and i’m learning a lot from your views. Its unfortunate that i cannot resonate yet coz i still have to watch RTP and Dr. Jin . I will have to watch marathon both. So i cannot talk much about these. I will just have to content myself in reading everyone’s views & analysis here, including yours. Thank you.
As for me, I love Yoochun best in SKKS and Jae in Sunao and the MV he did in Japan [gosh i forgot the title of that MV---aging brain, tsk,tsk]…Honestly, for some reason i find Jaejoong blending himself much well in Japan. He really exuded a different aura of confidence and a great sense of security while he was there. I hope he’ll find his niche again in Korea. I have great hopes for Jaejoong, and i have great faith in him. In fact i love him most because of his character, and i tend to be overprotective of him. Yoochun is such a chameleon, while Junsu as you said breathes in music. I sense that both Junsu and Yoochun have found their spots in Korea. Jae is still evolving into the artist he aspires to be. The way i look at it, Jae is exploring all his possible options right now, widening his territories. Which for me is not bad at all- but very wise on his part. Maybe it be in business, music, entertainment, even in education. He has the foresight, that is why he is not too defined as of now yet. he is evolving and expanding in many different directions, focused and determined.
I think I love Jae’s acting best in Heaven’s Postman. I didn’t see any awkwardness and he was really masculine there. His character in SNN was a bit too pitiful for me. He’s ofcourse improving in Dr. Jin but I believe he himself and viewers needs to get used to him in historical drama with historical speech. However, I believe his niche is films (movies). It’s not rushed, and everything is filmed with careful preparation and a ready script.
Thanks admin for opening this discussion post…
Regarding Junsu’s solo album…must say I was very surprised by the songs in the album…although I do know that Junsu has always been strong in his music and singing…but this album totally blew my mind (in a good way). I’m happy to see that Junsu composed most of the songs himself…and he clearly shows his talent in song-writing in this album. On a separate note, regarding his performance in musical…I only watched the last musical, Elizabeth…so I couldn’t comment too much on that…but all I get from his performance in the musical was he really loves the musical stage performances! I’m really glad that he had the opportunity now to venture into this arena…imagine if he were still in SM…not sure if this could happen.
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Yoochun…what can I say…he is really a good actor. His first period drama, SKKS…really gave me a big surprise as he really fit into the character like a T. But I can’t say the same for MR (Chunnie fans, please don’t kill me for that…it’s just my opinion) But I can’t tell whether it was YC’s performance or the chemistry of the whole team did not gel…so that drama did not give me the same WOW feeling as compared to SKKS. But his latest drama, RTP, proves that he has really gotten the hang of the acting skills. Hope to see more drama performance from YC.
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As for Jaejoong, I have watched Sunao, Heaven’s Postman and PTB….errrrmmm…I feel that he is still not as flexible as Yoochun in terms of acting (although I’m a JJ bias…but I still need to be honest abt this) But I’m glad that he’s still trying and working hard to improve on his acting (actually aren’t all 3 of them the same…working very hard on all their projects…cos’ that’s the only way of keeping in touch with us fans). So kudos to Jaejoong who didn’t give up and still trying his best and improving with each drama. As for Dr. Jin, since now it’s only 2 eps and there will also be the movie coming up…let’s look forward to see JJ’s improvement.
As for their albums…after listening to Junsu’s solo album, I sorta hope that YC and JJ could also come up with their solo album too. I hope to hear more different genres of songs that they would attempt. For YC, I find that he really suits that doesn’t really need too much arrangement, just a piano piece and his voice…where you can hear how he expresses the piece. As for JJ, hope that he could have more songs that’s more of a rock genre…I feel he can try out more songs of that genre.
Ok…I think I have wrote too much..*bows* It’s just that when it comes to JYJ…I have tons to talk about…^^
Junsu keeps on surprise attack me. i dont know what to expect anymore. everytime he does something, its always surpasses my expectations. i am a big fan of his musical.. so really, i’d like to suggest you to watch his MOzart performances, which i think will blast you away. more than xiahtod, nor joon will. he expresses all emotion in this character, and you cant help but to see JUNSU in xiahzart.
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Yoochun really get the hang of acting really well. His acting in RTP really blew me away. I think among the three, yoochun is the one who really succeeded to be called as a true actor. it’d be a shame if he ‘s not to appear in more dramas. i’m looking forwards to many more characters being created to life.
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As for Jaejoong, i think that although he may not have acheived the actor-confidence that yoochun posessed, he’s really getting there. I can see him warming up to his characters well, as each dramas continues. nad i agree with some that he really should took on a modern drama that fits more to his character.
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really, right now, i’m just dying for a JYJ album…. and a world tour yippie!!
I think Chun fits songs like “It’s all in vain” better, or rap-ish kind of songs. Songs where the raw emotions can be expressed. Maybe he can also do duets (with a girl) that doesn’t have complicated instrumentals in it. He will rock these songs. He can add songs in different languages too (spanish and english), lol.
Yes, definitely watch Junsu’s Mozart. It’s an awesome piece. Truely.
can we please stop comparing jj and yc in acting? can we move on? i dont like it when reading comment like this
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noooo who said he’s not good in acting?? i think jaejoong is pretty good in acting. people just made comparision because this..is well, a discussion thread ^^ no one means anything wrong with it. hell, i’m a junsu fan, but i’m saying bad things about him acting in dramas (really, he should stick in musical and music, imo).
So, you are Junsu’s bias. Me too
and yeah, Junsu, as much as i love you i still cant stand watching your 5-minute cameo in SoaW (i also secretly avert my eyes when his acting turns awry in In heaven mv. LOL) I love trolling him XD
calm down , the girl didnt say anything wrong (and i’m jaejoong biased) and you clearly dont know anything about acting since you are saying that jaejoong is not good at acting .. he is actually improving and i think hes fine !
What are you saying? He’s good in acting, why should you look down on Jaejoong?
No one here said Jaejoong isn’t good in acting. You’re the only one who thinks so.
Can’t you see how he is good in Dr.Jin? How can you say he isn’t good
just chill my friend.. discussion are meant to be discussions.. if you dont like discussions.. go to GAPP .. ^__^ that simple
I am sooo Loving this!!! can actually read discussions, comments, *sighs*.
Ohhh, THANK YOU ADMINS *big hug*
Oh this is the first open discussion. I see.
Well since I see people are talking about Jaejoong Drama Dr. Jin I will express my thoughts about it, and about Jaejoong career.
KyungTak is not the typical role for an idol: he is somehow dark, not that “graceful” so to speak, not the perfect hero in the drama. It somehow reminds me of Muwon in PtB.
I think Jaejoong is doing pretty well, but may be for some people is hard to disassociate the “Idol” Jaejoong with the characters he play. And I think this is one of the occasions.
KyungTak is pretty intense character, but controlled. Today episode we saw those eyes, so full of emotion, of hatred, of anger, hurt… it made your blood run cold. I don’t think he is supposed to be anything else but that. That is why I think Jaejoong is doing a good job portraying KyungTak.
Jaejoong chooses different roles but what is more unexpected (or not quite, to be honest) is that he isn’t looking for easy characters. He is looking out for those characters that “shine in the dark” Muwon being just one perfect example.
If there is anything I wish for him to do in the future would be to portray a really dark character. One that has not excuse for his evil ways.
I think he actually enjoys and chooses his roles not based in if those are lead or second lead or if they are easy to fall for them, but he chooses the complicated and dark characters, and I totally love it.
As for Dr. Jin… I think the story is doing fine, but I will get tired easy if the story keeps being so predictable and Dr. Jin keeps making neurosurgeries out of nowhere.
I agree with you. Jaejoong is very choosy when it comes to his own solo projects. It’s not like he can’t get the lead role in a drama if he wants to. But he keeps picking a character that is the second lead and will not get the girl easily, twice. His characters have depth and inner conflicts, as well as the potential to surprise the audience as the story goes on. IMO it’s easy to play the good guy whom the lead female character will fall in love with or pay attention to almost instantly. Jaejoong is good at portraying someone who has a bit too much to suffer, and at expressing negative feelings, such as anger, sadness, disappointment, powerlessness, jealousy, the desire to be recognized, etc, without being very expressive or emotional. Kyung Tak is a serious and upright man, he doesn’t show his emotions much, but still we understand him through his eyes. He does exceptionally well in the interactive scenes with his father or Young Rae. My heart ached for him in today episode. I just feel a lot for Jaejoong’s character, much more than Jin Hyuk. When watching Dr. Jin, I only see Kim Kyungtak, I don’t see Kim Jaejoong. It doesn’t really matter to me whether Kyungtak will go to the “dark side” or not, I’m satisfied as long as his character can develop reasonably and suitably. I also hope the scriptwriter can be more creative in those surgery scenes. I’ve already memorized all the steps that Jin Hyuk goes through for a brain surgery. People don’t have to have head injuries all the time as well. It gets boring. There seems to be an epidemic breaking out in tomorrow episode, so it may be a fresh change.
ROFL!!
“I’ve already memorized all the steps that Jin Hyuk goes through for a brain surgery. People don’t have to have head injuries all the time as well. It gets boring. There seems to be an epidemic breaking out in tomorrow episode, so it may be a fresh change.”
You have no idea how much I enjoy this statement! When Jin Hyuk was operating on the father, I kept thinking, oh you are so on the wrong side of his head. He hit the other side! Would it have hurt for him to ask the aide while he was still tied up before jumping in head first? Since he doesn’t have access to x-ray machines, a bit of critical thinking would help.
Not to mention the incredible recovery rates for neurosurgery patients. Walking, talking, partying. Insurance companies over here, would love this! Obviously, those tight headbands are not a problem. Get ‘em out of the hospital like now!
@Baffie
lolol Glad to see my V.E. Sister is ~enjoying~ Dr Jin.
okay, let’s get down on this “dr. jin” thing. i don’t have much words for jaejoong, but i have much more complain for the drama. i’m not a fan of DB, but i kinda agree with them on “dr. jin” (though i’m also disagree on whatever they thought about those so cheesy hong sisters works, and i found them a bit double standard at this). this is a bit blunt but i’m going to say what’s on my mind this past week when i finally got to watch it… sorry for the “dr. jin” fans, but this open discussion thread is where we supposed to express our opinion right?
seriously, as a fan of j-drama version of “dr. jin”, i’m really peeved with this k-drama, maybe i could think better if i haven’t watched the j-drama. i personally think all those actors aren’t the best pick for serious roles in “dr. jin” (except for lee bum soo, that is :p). with that less than fun drama, they should utilize actors who can really act instead of putting too much pretty faces. i have no objection for jaejoong since that’s his character for (kinda harsh, but imo, he’s there for eyecandy purpose, as a 2nd lead nice guy who in the end didn’t get the girl, i got it). but song seunghun and park minyoung… as senior actors they should show us more than woodenface acting. maybe i’m oversentiment to park minyoung, but i often feel her acting didn’t hit it right. and song seung hun… if he want to stick as a mere pretty face actor, that’s his business. but come on, dr. jin is not just a pretty face role!!! at least, that’s what the script currently is telling me. ><
still, more than anything, i'm irked with the directing and production team. plot is not much different from the j-drama (except, that this one is more romance-ish and fangirl-ish, giving the lead female character who is both the lead male's woman both in past and future), but the directing is so cheesy i could die. it's like love rain, it didn't intend to be funny, but some scenes made me laugh instead. and the production team, can they invest more on the props rather than the sageuk costumes? esp that brain fetus is so… weird. it's not scary like the j-drama but it's not cute either. it's… funny. all when i know it's not meant to be funny.
and lastly, this is kinda unrelated, but i found that the title "dr. jin" is a bit… well, it's kinda telling me where it headed. though i like it better than that one with "time travel" phrase, but this one is like telling us that it's downright a medical drama. while (again, sorry i can't stop the comparison) the j-drama title "jin" gave me a better feeling, as it tell me that it's not a medical drama (not merely it, at leas), it's a drama about human ("jin" means person in japanese), and that's what the drama about. above all those medical inventions that went through times, it's the humanism they want to tell us. and i get that vibe. i still don't know what this "dr. jin" drama about. if they want to go on as medical drama with a sprinkle of romance, i have no complain. but again, i have to say, that it's not the j-drama about! and if they want to be that different from the j-drama, please stop being all so serious. tone down all those facade, be something like "general hospital" in joseon maybe?
all in all, i think it's because i've watched the j-drama so i complained too much. i think this is an okay drama, maybe i won't be this agitated had i never watched the j-drama. as an end note, i know what i'll get when i start "rooftop prince", and i got it, more or less. but it's different with "dr. jin". i hope "dr. jin" will head into something better, as i put much anticipation and hopes for it.
*edit: it’s “time slip” not “time travel”, i got them mixed up. xD
I agree with you lol
I thought all medical scenes so far with brain surgeries were laughable.
It picked up on the plague episode tough….luckily no surgeries.
Right now, though, I still find it much better than its competitor. The last two episodes bored me so much….=___=
Oh, since most of the discussion is about dr jin, i actually wanted to say that it’s irritating to see all those demands in twitter. for goodness sake, it’s a medical drama, titled dr jin. what should anyone expect. i actually think mbc saying jae is one of the main leads is just for mehh. obviuosly the story would still revolve with dr jin so expecting jae to have so many scenes is so not quite right. i actually did not like how the ptb progressed on how they take muwon character. i hope the writers develop jae’s character in the drama but not in the way that will force so many unnecessary screentime. and the drama being predictable, i could say it on almost all the dramas i watch. i just want a good flow.
I agree to this … i am one of those who forgets that Dr. Jin was supposed to have patients in every episode LOLL>> i just cant bear with the hammering of skulls.. but yeah for JJ I’ll endure my greatest fear – AKA Blood and Blood Clots..
@jenknight18
You, me & Miranda – we’ll share the sick bag.
Thank God it’s not Jaejoong playing the doctor – imagine the predicament we’d be in!!
@Sapphire
Just stare at Jae’s face^^
@Sapphire .. seriously.. am screaming in my head whenever blood appears in the screen
@Shadow.. It’s just that usually Jae is not in there when skulls are being hammered..
As long as it’s not JAE’s blood, i’ll be ok
I agree with you. and on a side note, if JJ appears more in this drama, which would mean more time spent for filming this drama, us fans will get uneasy. what about Jackal then? when is he supposed to rest? and personally, being a supporting role (well, I take it his role is actually a supporting one) is not necessarily a bad thing. many supporting roles give deep impression (sometimes better than the leads).
I disagree with PTB. By the final episodes I was bored with the main leads storyline….it felt like they covered all the bases they needed. So, I was grateful the focused of the Namu couple.
I think it was a really well drama…..except for the fact that I got bored with the main couples story. By the end I found even the parents story more amusing then theirs.
Admineeeeee!!!!
Love this section!!! Kamsamida!
I find this section so cool.. bonding and sharing piece of our mind.. it might be unavoidable to get a bit heated later but i trust that the people here have the character to keep it all civil and peaceful ^__^
^___________^feel back home….start to read!
@anva1 ~ we’ve missed you!!! This discussion post is wonderful; it’s full of a great exchange of ideas.
OMG first Open Discussion Post (ODP?!) & I’ve got flu…
Both my head & my eyeballs are spinning, just not in the same direction, & the whole world is starting to get whirly again… & there’s soooo many interesting convo’s. As Arnie says “I’ll be back!”
Thanks admins for starting this & a big thanks to @intoxicatedbyxiatic for suggesting it.
1.33pm Aus Sunday – you have no idea how long I had to stop & try to remember what day it actually is!
ROFLMAO!!
“you have no idea how long I had to stop & try to remember what day it actually is!”
Hi Sweetie! Butterfly kiss to you!
~huggles you~ hope your YAY NON SMOKING MAMMA got you tons of chickie soup since 10hr plane ride is a little bit too much for this sister to drop off food for ya! i put up the linkies you asked me for
we can drool… ahem i mean analyze the finer points of saeguk drama together 
gah just GET BETTER sis, i hate you poofing on me like that!!!
wondering when the lawsuit case jyj vs sm will end???
Sadly, noone knows. But here is the latest update on the lawsuit,
http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/some-follow-ups-for-the-main-lawsuit-between-jyj-and-sm-entertainment/
Good development i must say, now we have only one major lawsuit going on in Korea (i guess?, law thingy isnt my forte)
@juliang
@silvia haaaahhhhhh ~____~ lets pray,,,
I feel the same way, so frustrating on the outcome of it all!
This is the newest Info on the lawsuit:
Some follow ups on the main lawsuits between JYJ and SM Entertainment
We just wanted to follow up and clarify and updates some of the main lawsuits between Jaejoong/Yuchun/Junsu and SM Entertainment.
*Before you read, the basic information about the current cases will be helpful for you to understand.
There are 2 main lawsuit cases being processed in the court.
(1) The lawsuit to verify ‘invalidity’ of the exclusive contract (= Case No.1)
: This is the one that the three members filed against SM Entertainment in order to terminate the unfair contract and claim for damages.
The members’ lawyers expected that this main case would take a long time, so they filed ‘injunction to terminate the validity of the exclusive contract’ in 2009 in order to ensure the members’ free activities.
As you all know, the court decided in the members’ favour and ordered that 1) the validity of the exclusive contract between JYJ and SME would be temporarily terminated until the main lawsuit is concluded, 2) the three members are free to have entertainment activities, 3) SME cannot make any contracts related to entertainment activities on behalf of the three members without their consents and 4) SME cannot interfere any kinds of entertainment activities of the members during the lawsuit process.
- SME filed an objection against this orders, but it was rejected by the court.
– SME also filed another injunction to terminate the exclusive contract between JYJ and C-JeS Entertainment, but it was also rejected by the court as the court acknowledged that JYJ only made a contract to handle management business as an agency and never made ‘exclusive’ contract with C-JeS.
– The court also made ‘indirect order’ that SME cannot interfere JYJ’s activities, and would be pay 20,000,000 KRW as penalty when every time such behaviour is found.
(Well clearly SME does not seem to care this order, but also this is the reason that it never has blood on its direct hands. They do all kinds of dirty things unofficially, through other organisation such as KFPCAI.)
Anyway, the detailed injunctions and other orders were all decided in favour of JYJ and now the main lawsuit (case No. 1) is under process at the Seoul Central District Court as a civil case.
(2) The lawsuit to verify ‘validity’ of the exclusive contract (=Case No. 2)
This is the one that SME filed against the three members as counter-suit in order to claim that its exclusive contract has no problems and the members should pay damages to SME.
As the both cases have almost same documents, witnesses and other details, the court decided to handle the 2 cases at the same time.
As you all know, SME has tried almost every possible thing to postpone the final conclusion of the cases as it is highly expected to lose the cases.
And on May 15th 2012, the case No.2 (SME’s counter-suit)’s hearing finally came to a conclusion and now only Case No. 1 (the one JYJ filed against SME) is remaining in the court.
[Note: The other details are not known because only basic information such as the dates is open public.]
To finalise current situation,
- SME’s counter-suit and claim for damage against JYJ is now concluded.
– JYJ’s lawsuit to terminate the exclusive contract and claim for damage against SM is remaining.
: If the exclusive contract had been ‘valid’ as SM insisted, JYJ’s claim would not have been remained.
Based on the fact that now there are only the three members’ lawsuit and claim for damage against SME, which could not have been remained if the contract had been valid, it seems very likely that the contract would be terminated and now there will be only the arguments between them ‘how much SME would have to pay JYJ as damages’.
Unfortunately Korean law takes Dreiinstanzen system**, it seems also likely that SME would appeal against the final ruling so that it can delay this as long as possible.
Anyway the end of this long-lasting legal process is really coming and some rumors seem to be spread again by some people, so I just wanted to clarify some facts before they go too far.
Next hearing will be in June.
**Dreiinstanzen system: The legal system that people can have a trial 3 times per a case.
(EX: First trial at District court -> Second trail at Appeal court -> Final trial at the Supreme Court)
Credit: http://dedicatee.wordpress.com
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@loveunchaged
Thanks for the update information. The appeals situation is not unexpected. Checked before to find out how that works in SK. Most legal systems have them. What people should keep in mind about appeals…in order to proceed, they must have merit or standing.
There must be some rule of law questioned regarding the decision handed down. You can’t expect the appeal to proceed just because you want it to. SM’s lawyers must find something in the decision handed down to move it to the next level. The only way the Appeals Court will take it on is if they find an arugment valid regarding a point made in the decision.
This can prove to be somewhat problematic for SM’s attorneys because the decisions prior to this phase have been very tight. Not a lot of wiggle room. Considering the lawyers representing them in this case have not been the brightest bulbs in the box, I can only wonder.
Of course anything can happen, but my money is on this case ending a lot sooner than SME hopes.
It would be interesting to figure out how the court could possibly find for SME since the FTC made all the companies alter the contract for all artists to conform to a set regulation. Can’t figure out how everyone else gets one type of contract and another artist group has to have a completely different one. Would be kind of messy to explain this.
Back in the early spring of last year, the final court hearing at that time stipulated an arbitration style mediation for the compensation. They were not hearing anymore testimony. Can’t imagine what else they need to know other than SME doesn’t want to pay up.
Anyhow, my bottle of champagne goes into the refrigerator a few days from now. I’m looking forward to a partay!
I hope the court can wrap up the lawsuit much more sooner rather than later. It’ll be like removing a dark cloud off of our heads even if the BC stations still hold on to their idiotic stand.
Wow! cool loveunchanged^^
Thank-you for the lawsuit updated news
You are all very welcome!
Thank you
Thanks @loveunchanged for this update and hopefully we can open @BAF champagne the soonest.
I’m very much anticipating JYJ’s reclamation of their place in Japan. I know the whole world can be their stage,but I just love it more to see them back in Japan’s music market.
@loveunchanged
Thank you for this update, I hope that “justice delayed is NOT justice denied” in JYJ’s case vs. SM.
Let’s keep praying!
Thanks for sharing. This kind of news regarding the lawsuit is very important, wonder why jyj3 admins do not post this kind of news in the general article post.
I feel thankful to everyone here for bringing so many interesting and informative discussions. I must give credit to @dr.jin sub wanter lol for giving enlighting information regarding korean fans/korean residents perspectives. I love this site more and more.
Thanks a lot for this.
I really appreciate it =)
Thanks adminnies for creating this! This is what I miss the most in JYJ3~
Fully agreed !!! Thumbs up to adminnies!!
me too~ feels like back to our old home… ^-^
Home,sweet home…!!!
hi @minmin~ i miss u~ keke ♥♥♥
@lOve I miss you, sister,welcome back..*hugs* ..♥♥♥
I’ve discovered a really good Korean recipe website and I wanted to share with anyone who is interested here. The following link is a recipe for kimchi jjigae which is a favorite dish of our beloved JJ. I’ve made this many times and I love this recipe the best. But I do tweak it a little. Pork belly is very heavy and fatty, it’s essentially a thick slab of bacon, so I prefer cutting up a piece of pork loin instead, I also use firm tofu because it is a thick stew and I like the tofu to be able to stay together, and the most important thing for this dish is to use old kimchi. Personally I never have the patience for my kimchi to age so I just go to H Mart (korean grocery store that has many locations in the US) and get the bag of kimchi that is labeled “old kimchi,” the taste is completely off if you use fresh kimchi. I hope people try it out and enjoy!
http://www.maangchi.com/recipe/kimchi-chigae-kongnamool
You can also watch her on Youtube, she has a Youtube channel, aeri’s Kitchen is also a good Korean food channel. Maangchi is based in New York and Aeri in California. I love, love, love both channels. So yummy
i miss this open post!!! feels like the old days~~~ ^o^
This reminds me of JYJ3 a year ago with lots of like minded people discussing JYJ related news. Really missed it.
Don’t have time to really get into it today, but just really appreciate the admins and all the great discussions.
take a long time reading all topic.. *i’m late* >__<
first, i'm sorry bout my poor english..then next, i wanna asked u a few things..
1. guys, i really curious bout something..this month, C-jes will opened a big event in korea and japan..bout our membership..i wonder, is that our fandom name and color will be announce officially?
2.this is just my dream..when i know bout Junsu solo album in Korean, i think bout JJ solo album will be in japanese and yuchun in english.. #hope #dream.. what do you think? kekeke
3. last but not least..bout fans things..in my perception and my opinion,, JYJ have many fan characteristics..EXAMPLE: cassie (fans of JYJ who believed they always DB5k–its like., they cant let go them as JYJ) and JYJ family (fans of JYJ who only focus JYJ–without Homin)..please give me a correction if i make a mistake.. *bow-bow* just curious..if this topic rather sensitive, please erased or skip it
PS: honestly i called myself as JYJ family..only focus on JYJ, forever.. *bow*
arigatou,,thankyou,,xiexie
1. I think JYJ are over the phase where they care about a fandom name. Personally, I am happy too that JYJ does not have a fandom name….because then it also allows causal-type fans (Fans who will buy the music, but don’t follow band news). JYJ fanlight color is red….it has been carried on from their DBSK days. Also, if JYJ do create a fandom name…it will alienate their international ‘Cassies’.
2. I want JJ and YC to do a Korean album too. But I also want JJ to do a solo Japanese single or album. Or maybe even sing with a famous Japanese singer ^^
3. JYJ fans are just fans…….we are part of the JYJ family, where we treat each other like brothers and sisters ^^. Cassiopeia was a fandom for the five…..now legally in Korea it is a fandom for the two. International Cassies still insist that it is a fandom for the five. But, you will also come across Homin fans who tell JYJ fans NOT to call themselves Cassies as it is ‘just for the two now’. It is easier just to call yourself a JYJ fan or OT5 fan now then a Cassie….
@tiffani
Hello there.
What CJeS does regarding a fan event, I hope it will be a success. I’m all the way over in the U.S., so I don’t become unhinged at the thought of not being able to get to any of them over there. I’m also from a MUCH OLDER generation, and from a different ethnicity that has never been bothered with fanclubs. So, I don’t indulge in the need for them. Don’t begrudge others from wanting these things, but I can live without them. Whatever makes the guys happy is what matters most for me.
Music wise, I’m hoping all of their individual projects are Korean songs. I want them to maintain who they are. Having said that, I’m keeping my fingers crossed their next group album is in English because English is the international language. It gives them more entre than continually putting out Korean language albums. The guys are also in the enviable position of being able to create in more than one language. There is nothing but a plus side to all this.
Regarding what some fans call themselves and how they react when others use those same names. I’m probably going to step on a few toes here, so bear with me. For me, it’s a matter of maturation. I see very immature people getting all worked up over who uses what name. It is a name folks, a name. It is not the meaning of life for pete’s sake. None of this is going to bring about world peace of wipe out hunger. Just simply enjoy the music, and the ones who are creating it. Life is too short for anything else.
I too like to think of JYJ’s fan base as a family. A Family of Fans. This has more meaning to me. No, the topic is not too sensitive for me. I don’t believe in censorship. Enjoy yourself here. That is what this community of family is all about.
There is an issue that has been on my mind for a while. It’s not that important, but I was wondering what fans think about calling JYJ members “oppas”. I am younger than them and have been a fan since my teenage years, but I have never called them that. In Korea, calling someone an ‘oppa’ implies a close relationship right? I am not sure how to express this, but I don’t think fans have the right to call them that. I feel more strongly about this with international fans because that might be one of the few words that they know in Korean (so they abuse the usage); they don’t understand what it really means; and it is not a part of their usual language/behavior and therefore becomes more like an act. There’s a certain unnaturalness to it that I am not comfortable with.
Also, I think there’s a correlation between fans who do call them ‘oppas’ and their age/maturity and certain behaviors. I am not sure if it’s just me or not, but I find that a lot more diehard OT5 fans (not bashing OT5 sentiment, but there are very delusional OT5 fans with extreme behaviors) and YJ fans refer to them as ‘oppas’.
lol. i’m the same age as JYJ, so i never called them oppa ^^ iwanttocalljunsumybabybutohwellxD i dont think that its disrespectful to call them oppa tho. cuz i think its the same as calling ‘hyung’ or ‘senpai’ or ‘noona’ right? it just shows seniority, and as you say as well, closeness. but not in a disrespectful ways… i rarely saw international fans calling them oppa…
” i rarely saw international fans calling them oppa…” I know, that’s why it is surprising when I do see it, and the comments that usually follow are not the most stellar.
I am not saying it’s disrespectful, but there’s just a certain ignorance or carelessness in randomly calling them oppas. I don’t think fans should call celebrities as ‘hyung’, ‘senpai’, or ‘noona’ either. It’s more understandable if that’s their natural language (and they are younger), but it feels very awkward for international fans. Whenever I see it done seriously, it makes me cringe. As I said before, I am not sure how to describe it, but that forceful way of interjecting the foreign word into their vocabulary and unnatural cuteness makes it uncomfortable. Perhaps another way to describe it is to think of English in Korean songs like 5 years ago. Now it’s getting better, but when you come across some of those Engrish lyrics, it is unnatural, out-of-place, and feels kind of unnecessary.
haa. i get what you mean. then i think that we are talking about fans inclination of using too much borrowed words from k language.. if thats so.. i have to agree with you ^^;; i bet some fans would hate me for saying this if they tend to use those words.. but whenever fans use those words..it releases a sense of… childishness?…and perhaps ..immaturity?..like, you cant take someone’s words who uses words like that seriously..ha or maybe i’m just getting old.(i’m not all that good either. i basically let my grammar and spelling loose online bwhahha)
‘oppa’ doesn’t imply a close relationship, girls just call an older man ‘oppa’. That’s it.
It most definitely does imply a close relationship. You would not call strangers ‘oppas’ (use something like ‘-ssi’ instead). That said, there’s an exception for using it with celebrities, but it still doesn’t feel natural (to me).
It depends. Young girl calls any older man ‘oppa’, they never put “-ssi” which is very awkward for young girls to call this way ; _; but if the girl is over 25…she rarely calls any man ‘oppa’ unless she knows him personally ^^
Yes it does depend. I wasn’t thinking of young girls when I was typing it, more like older teenagers or early twenties. I don’t think it’s appropriate after a certain age (which is younger than 25 for me).
Plus I am mostly refuting this statement: “‘oppa’ doesn’t imply a close relationship, girls just call an older man ‘oppa’. That’s it.” Not sure why you wrote that as it seems like you know that’s incorrect too.
Also, the majority of my problem is with international fans using it, not necessarily the young Korean fans. I am pretty sure this just depends on personal preference but this is my view on it.
But, I don’t call JYJ ‘oppa’ either although all three are older than me.
I just don’t feel like calling them that way.
Perhaps I’ll call them ‘oppa’ if I meet them in person. hehe.
I think, honestly, it’s pretty creepy for i-fans to call them ‘oppa’. Oppa is a term that has been kind of bastardized in its usage even by Koreans. While still a legitimate form of address (in Korean, not by foreigners speaking some other language), it’s also often used as a cutesy, submissive way of making a man feel more manly. It’s just…kind of ewww. It’s still used in everyday Korean speech in the first way but foreigners using it within other languages kind of falls in the second category. If JYJ liked foreign fans calling them oppa then I’d say it’s stroking their Korean pride (OMG! foreigners know a Korean word! Korea is taking over the world!) or it would appeal to their perverse sense of manliness and superiority (if they have one). I don’t think they’d actually respect you for it. (I say this not based on anything specific to JYJ’s personalities, just the fact that they are Korean and they are men.)
Any of you guys watching Secret Garden?? lolol. I am not straying out of the topic, i swear, it is just i learn something about this ‘Oppa’ matter from that drama, i couldn’t verify whether this is valid though, but what i understand is this:
For idol, there is this different standard regarding this (and some other stuffs actually). There is this one scene when a fan was interviewing about her idol and even though she is wayyy older she is adamant to call him oppa, she said because he is her idol, so he is “Oppa”. I know there is comical intention into this, but i think it hold some actual ‘rule’
Most fans may dont have personal close relationship with their idols but by become their fans it surely create a certain bond between them. And male idols often refer themselves as “Oppa” too when they communicate with fans to create a more comfortable nuances to communicate.
I agree that there is correlation between this behaviour and maturity, but i am sure it aplies to all Kpop Fandoms, not just OT5 fans. There are also JYJ fans who call JYJ, oppas btw.
As said before, there’s an exception to the use of ‘oppa’ for celebrities (although older fans shouldn’t use oppa either without it being an over-the-top way of acting cutesy).
Some Korean men like being referred to as ‘oppas’ and some don’t. I am not sure how JYJ boys personally feel about it, but I do know that, for example, Kim Hyun Joong dislikes fans calling him ‘oppa’ so it’s not actually acceptable for every celebrity either.
Yes, I have seen JYJ fans use ‘oppa’ as well, but I am saying that there’s more “oppa’ usage by OT5/YJ fans.
I don’t speak Korean but I always thought these things weren’t that much have an issue. Though I do understand that the word ‘oppa’ can have two connotations. 1. older brother b. boyfriend……
I think JYJ like when fans call them oppa….except it does become awkward when the fans are much older ^^ In fact I think that if the fans randomly used -sshi (Mr.) instead, JYJ would be taken aback….especially if their Korean fans did it….and they would think ‘that fan doesn’t like us that much or is just a casual fan’
Because they are celebrities it is okay. But, if they were normal people and people called them oppa it would be weird. It is like calling a random people you do not know Ahjumma (Aunt), Noona (older sister for male), uniie (older sister for female), etc. In those situations those people are not actually their aunt or older sisters but they use the word as a term of respect and closeness.
-sshi seems like to me to be a term used mostly between complete strangers when doing business….
I can relate because in my native language we also have these types of words…..except none for boyfriend…..and for people that are older than you you use it as a term of respect and closeness.
I could be wrong though/
From what I’ve seen on the internet (dramas, musics, variety shows, fan meetings, etc), fans who are younger than their idols call the idols “Oppa” and even the idols themselves tell the fans (who are younger) to call them oppa. And most of the time, when you see “oppa” within a written english sentence, chances are whoever wrote it is a Korean on an english forum/site. So to that fan, calling the idol Oppa is natural. Also like you said, when they use that word, it implies a closeness. Fans and idols believe themselves to be in a close relationship with one another. An interdependent relationship.
I call Chun “my baby” all the time, but I’m the same age as him, lol. That’s because I feel like he’s my baby. I’ve been with him for about 7-8years now so the feeling is abit special and a bit stronger. That doesn’t mean I can give birth to someone his age or anything like that. It’s just a term of endearment (a special one) to me.
Ok.
Step 1 Buy/rent/stream/download the Korean movie “My Wife is Gansta”
Step 2 Watch said movie
Step 3 Pause and repeat on the cringeworthy portion of the movie is which a “working” girl is teaching the female lead how to “oppa” in a pleasing and persuasive manner
Personally, I think it’s weird to call someone who you don’t have a personal relationship with oppa. The reason why younger girls can do it is that their world is much smaller, it’s limited to pretty much school, church and neighborhood, so the people they are calling oppa, they are seeing on a quasi-regular basis. For older girls, I would equate calling someone oppa the same as hugging someone in the US. You wouldn’t go around hugging every older man you see would you? It def implies a closeness, and while we may know more about JYJ then we probably should, it’s far from being close to them or knowing them in any substantive manner.
typo “My Wife is Gangsta”
typo Step 3 how to SAY “oppa,” without that word, it sounds very bad…
I find it weird when i-fans in general use korean words. It sounds weird. I get the same feeling when non spanish people say spanish words to me durring a conversation. The whole conversation sounds strange when out of nowhere a foreign word replaces an english word.
Haha, yes I know that feeling. I am Chinese and I swear half of my classmates say “Ni Hao Ma?” to me even though I am not even from a mandarin-speaking part of China.That might be the root of my problem with oppa-usage in the international fandom. Don’t quite remember who made this comment, but I don’t agree with the point that ‘oppa’ is mostly said by Korean fans on English forums. I am pretty sure many of them (because I know a few in rl) are from teenage girls outside of Korea.
Okay, just got home from an afternoon out and want to reiterate my statement that Koreans have no idea how many foreigners hate SM. They really do think we’re all SM fans, since they assume everyone in the world loves kpop and that kpop is defined by SM. After all, this is what the media tells them 24/7. I doubt any of you can conceive of just how much kpop and its “successes” is publicized here. Less and less people actually like kpop, but more and more adults “respect” it for bringing global glory to Korea. Or so they think. Oh, and most people still call JYJ members “Dong Bang Shin Ki.” They know what’s going on, but they don’t really acknowledge.
As you can probably tell, I had a bit of a traumatic afternoon. I-fans, we really need to keep sending the message somehow that we DO know what SM is all about and we DON’T support it, and that it makes Korea look terrible internationally. Koreans have NO IDEA about any of this. They don’t know about the huge petition from i-fans last year, they don’t know anything. Argh I have no idea what to do, though!
Didn’t that happen before with the whole KBS and Jeju island mess? When the news that international fans disprove of KBS’s actions and that they have a distrust in Korean media/government, the top comments on that news article were like ‘JYJ doesn’t care about their country’s reputation, only their own wellbeing.’. I feel like that Koreans, being as nationalistic as they are, would only blame JYJ for bringing shame on their country for exposing its shady sides.
Plus wasn’t there also French articles on the SMtown concert in Paris? They viewed it badly, but no news media in Korea acknowledge it. Instead it was all articles praising the concert written by journalists who were pretty much given a free vacation by SMe.
I don’t see how anything can be done either since people just refuses to accept the truth. I think it probably feels safer for them to accept that it’s 3 people doing wrong things instead of the company/media/government doing wrong things, especially with their whole authority and obedience concepts.
Actually you’re totally correct. And despite what I said above, I don’t really think there’s anything foreigners can do because Koreans are so pigheaded and tunnel-visioned. I wish there was a way to get i-fans to stop going to any cut-rate kpop event that comes to their town and take a stand. The number one thing would be to stop tourists from Southeast Asia and Japan from coming to Korea and buying like 20 copies of Girls Generation CDs. If you have friends that do that sort of thing, please…shoot them or tear up their plane tickets or something. Just kidding! … sort of.
Seriously, Korea is hard to live in. I-fans think we’re so lucky but on a day to day basis it’s really depressing sometimes.
But on the other hand, I actively complain to management, etc, every time SM is shoved in my face. I never, ever say I’m a JYJ fan, though. Connecting JYJ just makes things hard for JYJ. They have to understand we hate SM because SM sucks, not because we are JYJ fans.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter
Thank you for the information and update. This is my first peek into the real situation of JYJ in SK. I’m feeling so sad for these 3 multi-talented guys. No wonder, they have to strategize their activities very well in order to SURVIVE. Now i know why we i-fans were wondering for so long why the SK government was not doing anything to protect JYJ. Why justice is served so delayed for them. I spent time reading all your posts here in ODP about SKorea’s sentiments & support towards JYJ. Poor boys, but they are amazing still, they managed to stay on top despite and inspite. I don’t really blame why Cjes is favoring the Japanese. They need them to survive too, and to show their gratitude to the Japanese fans’ whose loyalty to JYJ, especially to Jaejoong is really beyond extraordinary.
Please keep on updating us. Thank you!
Sadly, C-JeS is causing Korean fans and i-fans living in Korea to lose interest in or become angry toward JYJ, because of their favoritism toward Japanese. C-JeS is NOT good at balancing things out at all. T_T Considering how “popular” SME is in Japan, I hardly find Japanese fans particularly loyal. T_T In the past, SM caused this rift between K & J fans, too, and it had disastrous affects on JYJ when they split from SM. Because fans were fractured, SM used its Japanese contacts (and later, Avex) to spread bad info about JYJ to Japanese fans. No amount of damage control by Japanese-speaking Koreans has done any good. Now C-JeS is making the same mistake by creating rifts between J & K fans again, allowing false and ridiculous information about JYJ and favorable info about SM to circulate freely in Japan. J & K fans might be more united if there wasn’t such favoritism shown toward Japanese. T_T And again, I have to argue with the notion that Japanese fans’ loyalty is any more extraordinary than any other nation’s. T_T
Hi, how did c-jes been favouritizing the japanese fans? thx
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
Is that so? I stand corrected then. Oh i really have a lot of learning & reading to do in order for me to get a more accurate assessment of things. But the problem is where can i get THE accurate information? This a limitation for an I-fan like me. Can you suggest a site? As you mentioned earlier, this is a problem too.
Given JYJ’s current standing now with their individual projects and past worldwide album sales, how would you assess their level of success then, given all the current restrictions and limitations? Do you think their going counter-culture in SK is making a dent ? What do you think are their chances of surviving in the entertainment industry?
@2017questa
As for “how”, I don’t really know. As in, I don’t know what methods they used. They worked with a Japanese company for 3hree Voices II and that company wound up having a lot (too much) influence over them for quite some time, offering items IN KOREA only for sale to people outside Korea, totally focused on Japan. It was stuff everyone wanted but they made it hard to buy within Korea and set the price obnoxiously high. They were horrible at customer service toward people in Korea. It was awful and lost JYJ a lot of fans.
The biggest breakdown, though, was when they refused to let Interpark’s global site, which allows purchases from ANYONE ANYWHERE in the world, sell tickets to JYJ events, starting with the Busan concert. Instead they had foreign sales be run by a crap Japanese company, LookKorea. The site was in Japanese and, as far as I can tell, required a Japanese national ID for purchase. This prevented anyone from anywhere else in the world from purchasing tickets. NO ONE else does this kind of thing. Moreover, the number of allotted tickets for the Japanese site is huge; go to any JYJ concert in Korea and there are far, far more Japanese there than Koreans because Koreans have a lot of trouble getting tickets. All of this was done to appease Japanese fans, and they don’t seem to care how badly it hurts the Korean fans or fans elsewhere in the world. Fans from all over the world used to come to JYJ shows, but now they can’t. C-JeS recently reported tons of i-fans from many countries at Junsu’s solo concert; I would seriously like to see their evidence for that statement. English is “the international language” and Japanese learn English in school from a young age; there is absolutely no logic in using a Japanese site over a Korean English-language one except that Japanese fans prefer it that way and therefore C-JeS decided to screw everyone else to please the Japanese.
And overall, the number of fansignings and such in Korea exclusively for Japanese fans continues to increase. The number accessible to Koreans or open to everyone decreases.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter
“Sadly, C-JeS is causing Korean fans and i-fans living in Korea to lose interest in or become angry toward JYJ, because of their favoritism toward Japanese.”
As I’m sure I don’t need to tell you, Korea and Japan are two very small countries with many complicated, oh, let’s just call them pre-existing conditional issues relating to JYJ. The rest of the WORLD is currently reaching out to JYJ with open arms. If what you forecast becomes the eventuality and J- and K-fans grow cold, the members will simply spend less and less time there. They have a huge international fanbase that is growing every day. The real music capitals of the globe beckon because JYJ has impressed everyone everywhere they have gone with their talent, their charm and their work ethic. JYJ is FREE of being manipulated now and I would hope that their fans are too. Let them like whomever and whatever they like. Or not. JYJ will always have a huge and passionate fandom who love them and long for their next projects.
@Dr jin sub-wanter
I don’t think there is anything CJes can do about the rumors in Japan or favorable info about SM. From what I understand isn’t the fandom just a representation of what’s happening with Japan and Korea as countries. Culturally speaking Japanese see the recent influx of Kpop groups as an infestation. I heard of some Japanese fans are tired of all of the Korean groups going over there and performing on traditionally Japanese award shows. I think that Japanese and Korean fans in general are annoying each other at this point.
@lilibaiyu
I agree with you about worldwide. I’m so happy JYJ was able to have a worldwide tour. No matter how small the stage is what they were able to do is amazing. They didn’t have a huge company behind them and yet the toured WW. In the United States being able to tour internationally is huge for any artist’s longevity. The most successful artists are able to promote in a particular market when their popularity isn’t the best at home. If you’re a local artist and never branch out int’l the odds of you having any sort of long-term success at a high level is practically nil. If you think about the biggest music icons of the past and present they all had one thing in common, International touring in the form that was available at the time.
About the fanmeeting stuff:
Didn’t the Korean fans have exclusive JYJ-membership with C-jes long before the Japanese membership was established? If so, what benefits did that membership give members if it were not to gain them access to fanmeetings and fansign events. I know Lotte fanmeeting were structured specifically for Japanese fans. But what about NII fanmeetings? Weren’t those for Korean fans? Maybe, for those of you with JYJ-memberships via C-Jes, you can communicate your worries to C-jes. Maybe JYJ can have a place where fans can post their questions/legitimate worries to them directly. Communication seems to be the key here.
@loveunchanged
” I know Lotte fanmeeting were structured specifically for Japanese fans. But what about NII fanmeetings? Weren’t those for Korean fans? ”
Hi again, my friend – I think, and this is my opinion mind you, that we may take this whole controversy about the marginalizing of these various groups of fans with a grain of salt. I think it may be an opinion of some, certainly, but is it absolute fact? I can’t see how that has been irrefutably established and I am the last one to stir this particular pot for no good reason. Anyone can see that these are inflammatory statements, and highly censorious of C-jeS. I think C-jeS has done an admirable job, a hero’s job against formidable odds. They have shepherded JYJ through hostile terrain and I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say that they are hale, hearty and stronger than ever today because, among other things, C-jeS has performed well in their service. Because I am one, and I know there are others, who believe that C-jeS acts at the direction of the members of JYJ and not the other way around. So what C-jeS directs is decided by the members and as such, I feel moved to support them
@lilibaiyu
I’m not trying to stir up anything but I think what you’ve said about me is quite unfair. My statements are not inflammatory, and what I have said is true. Your belittling of me and attempts to make me out to be some kind of loony are not appreciated and are not conducive to lively discussion. Stop being the fan police and let people make criticisms. yes, I have a big problem with some of C-JeS’ choices but I also have a lot of respect for them. I think they are fairly oblivious to the negative impact they are having, which is why it’s important for fans to let them know, so they can FIX IT before it harms JYJ. After all, C-JeS wants the best for JYJ, too. If you think that’s bad or wrong, then YOU can feel free to ignore me but please don’t insult me to others.
@loveunchanged
The C-JeS membership allowed members to try to buy tickets for just one event: the White Day fanmeeting in 2011. All other events have had no relationship to C-JeS membership. ^^ Honestly I’ve frequently wondered what the membership is for.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter
“m not trying to stir up anything but I think what you’ve said about me is quite unfair. My statements are not inflammatory, and what I have said is true. Your belittling of me and attempts to make me out to be some kind of loony are not appreciated and are not conducive to lively discussion.”
Gee, Your Highness, is it OK with you if I don’t agree with every word you say?
Unless I missed something in the fine print, it’s acceptable to express an opinion that doesn’t agree with yours. I seem to recall you actually said you were “sorry if you were sounding like a know-it-all” a few posts ago. Well, I’M sorry if I’m sounding like “the fan police” but I feel as strongly about what I said about C-jeS as you apparently do about what you said.
I will tell you this about myself, just for future reference: I have a bit of a problem with people who show up here, they’ve never posted before and the first thing they do is start making some fairly serious negative pronouncements, this time which concerned JYJ’s management (who as I have said I believe works for JYJ and follows their direction) and THEN who gets waaay too pushed out of shape and defensive about coming upon an opposing viewpoint. It just feels, gut-level, like there may be an agenda there. Or at least it starts to look that way based on a LOT of past experience in exactly these situations.
So that’s where I’m coming from, straight up. On the table. I think if you come to a new place it’s wise to get the lay of the land first. Check out the situation, find out about what THEY know before you begin telling everyone what you know. And show some courtesy and, God forbid, tact to those who have come before you and who also might have a valid point of view, opposing though it might be. It’s just an idea, but you may find it useful.
@jyj1214 As for resources, i don’t really know.
I think we get very limited info at a JYJ site because all the news is about JYJ (duh LOL). Going to a general kpop website with stories on every artist might be helpful, but the downside is that you have to actually look through those other articles (I would rather eat a box of nails) and the comments at those places are so delusional. At the moment, I’m afraid I don’t really have a lot of suggestions.
As for JYJ, I think they’ve been exceptionally successful, given their situation. And I think people generally do acknowledge that, but they really still think of them as part of TVXQ, it seems. There is little realistic understanding of just how many hardships they’re facing, because it’s not reported in the news much. Thus, most people aren’t even aware they’ve gone “counter-culture”. So no, they’re not making a dent in that way. Any mainstream respect they’re getting is for the glory they bring to the Hallyu Wave. You’ve probably noticed their overseas successes are always called kpop successes; they are never acknowledged on their own strengths. On the other hand, people in the actual TALENT industries continually cite JYJ’s successes and talents but no one really cares what they say. I do worry JYJ will run out of steam eventually. A lot of what’s propping them up is passionate, politically-aware fans. Eventually their fans will run out of energy. :\
The recent national election showed Korea isn’t really all that keen to improve their country, IMO. They may not like things but they’re more comfortable with the status quo than with changing.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter lol
How can evil win over good? I don’t think this will ever happen.
Based on your accounts, it would appear that JYJ are really threading on a thin line of hope in SK right now, no wonder they keep tweeting these to their fans before. I am running out of thoughts too. It’s hard being an outsider and lacking in influence. But i don’t lack in faith. I firmly believe that good will always win over evil. That all the evil doings will boomerang to the instigators. I just hope and pray that JYJ won’t be led astray, that they would hold on to the higher value of things.
Now i’m starting to get curious. If you don’t mind my asking, and you are free to reply or not. Rest assured i would respect your choice. How do you know all these besides residing in Korea? You are very knowledgeable, able to make synthesis of the events and your insights covers a wide array of fields may it be culture, politics, business, entertainment, etc. Actually this is my way of complimenting you. Thank you very much.
@jyj1214 aww you’re very sweet! I am no one special, but I do have a background in various subject areas and an analytical mind, so I look for connections and pay a lot of attention to things, often to the point they make me miserable! I’ve also been a fan for a long time and have a lot of experience with these kinds of things, if that makes any sense. ^^
I am really liking your posts. I already knew that their was a ‘war’ between Japanese and Korean fans….but personally I always feel sad hearing about it. It also makes me sad that companies can be so………lost……….on what most fans want.
I wish C-Jes started a survey kind of thing so that they could cater better to fans.
But, I will give it to them that JYJ are working very hard for their fans. In many of the cases maybe only those Japanese companies were available to them to pick from…..
@JJ=oxygen
“In many of the cases maybe only those Japanese companies were available to them to pick from…..”
I think that has alot to do with it. I mean just think about what they had to go through to release inheaven.
@Dr Jin sub-wanter
“As for resources, i don’t really know. I think we get very limited info at a JYJ site because all the news is about JYJ (duh LOL). Going to a general kpop website with stories on every artist might be helpful, but the downside is that you have to actually look through those other articles (I would rather eat a box of nails) and the comments at those places are so delusional. At the moment, I’m afraid I don’t really have a lot of suggestions.”
Yes, I’m with you. Asking me to go to the usual suspects K-Pop sites constitutes Cruel & Unusual Punishment. It’s just too confounding, too frustrating and if you say anything you get flamed to a cinder. When I first got here it was via JYJFiles ; now THAT blog was a treasure trove of real, honest to God reliable information, but sadly it has now become largely inactive due to it’s main writer/researcher Jimmie getting a job in Geneva, getting extremely busy and moving away. I do trust our Admins here and I trust C-jeS to tell us what is going on and actually, most of the background info is out there already. A lot of it is still to be read on the JYJFiles in fact.
I would dearly love to know what is going on in that courtroom and among the attorneys and I personally would really love to get a look at the original SM-DBSK contracts the boys signed someday. Now THAT would be interesting, but I’m not holding my breath. Originally, even THEY were not allowed to have copies of the contracts they signed!!
We need more programs like the video below, to make it clear that SM’s Hallyu dominance is fake and exaggerated.
“Summary of MBN’s ‘The true colors of Korean Wave’ (sorry for the long post)
-France:
-many articles about K-pop conquering
-experiments on ppl in France by letting them listening to K-pop songs and if they heard about word ‘K-pop’
-most of them never heard about K-pop
-it is monotone, no charm as music, is this really Korean music? It doesn’t seem to represent Korea, etc.
- only 2 ppl heard about word ‘k-pop’ on the street
-Julien Blanc-gras: reporter of Le Monde Magazine
-K-pop boom is not so big enough to shake whole France. Radio and TV do not talk much about it and it is same on the street too.
-A large record shop (Virgin) in the downtown Paris- Second largest record shop
-heard there was album that was officially released in the record shop in Feb, so decided to find it
-it was hard to find
-it was under J-pop not K-pop
-GG’s album sold 19 copies in 5 weeks.
-Bruce Springsteen’s 17th album Wrecking ball:
released one month after GG; sold 196copies in first week
-Rana del Rey(second year after her debut)’s Born to Die:
released in Feb, sold 491 copies in 5 weeks, debut in 2011, known through Youtube
-GG’s The Boys: released in March, sold 19 copies in 5 weeks, known through Youtube
-survey to students who study Korean
-Do you know more than 3 K-pop songs?: 57% said NO
-Do you think K-pop represents Hallyu (Korean Wave)?: 82% said NO
-How long will K-pop last in France? : 69% less than 2-3yrs / 21% less than 5 yrs/ 8% do not know
-3 K-pop concerts in France
-flash mob/ SM Town/ many popular groups together/ many news coverage/~ only 7000 people
-Prince (more than 30yrs of career): concert on the same day/ not much news/ ~50000 people
-8 K-pop groups concert by a broadcasting TV Station, in 2012, Feb 8th
-Director of Korean Culture Center in France:
-supposed to be 2 day concerts but only had one day. The tickets were not sold out completely for even one day.
-Experts of local (France) pop culture: They (K-pop) should survey the market before coming. If they just come and go, people would get angry about this.
-Fans’ complaints & boycott
-mostly dance groups
-trained for long time, while Europe they look at individual’s artistic nature
-relying on idol groups by large entertainment groups can create problems
-Professor Practical Music Department in a University
-Not all the music of Hallyu is like this, but many of them seem to focus too much on visuals
-More serious problem of K-pop, their styles are similar to American pop songs, which have been released before
-Japan
-50 groups debut in Japan last year
-unless they are under really large Korean entertainment company, they cannot work/perform in Japan, without having contracts with three large Japanese entertainment companies (Avex, Sony Music, Universal)
-distribution of profits for a K-pop group: 92% to Japanese distributor+ agency and only 8% to Korean agency
-It is unstable from the beginning. The downhill of Hallyu is always embedded at the base.
-Director of business department of Universal Japan: only groups who can bring profit to both countries can succeed. Japan will stop the contract and no longer invest to those groups. Thus, Hallyu boom might finish this year.”
cr: (@dlwpdldhkdlwp)
Here is a link to a SB article also discussing the issue – http://seoulbeats.com/2012/05/does-hallyu-only-have-a-short-time-left-on-a-global-stage
OOH this needs full English subs (and every other language)! Thanks for posting!
my pleasure; I think the length of the program scares people, but it really is worth watching. I was quite surprised a Korean program actually criticized the so called “hallyu wave”
@lisan
Thanks for the post. I would have no issues with the length of the video time as long as I could have some Eng. subs. If this ever gets subbed, please let us know. Thanks again.
I find the highlight points you make interesting.
I’m doing the Prince fangirl spazzing as he is one of my all time faves!
I fully understand why he still draws 50K. The man’s music is off the hook. And no chart toppers either!
THIS is what I mean by longevity (30 yrs. or more, and counting!). Give the people some real talent and they will stick with you thru thick or thin. He has his own style, and no two songs sound alike. I know. I go to everyone of his concerts that come to my city. I will do the same for JYJ!
thanks for sharing.
what CAN we do? thats hard. petition, we already did that. newspaper? i bet they wont allow us to cuss sm. lol.
i dont know either. i think if we made it out that we HATE sm, or we dislike the korean media’s actions, and thinks lowly of their music industry for allowing unjust acts to take place, we actually made the koreans think that jyj brings bad reputation to korea. or that they cause int fans to view their country as such (when its actually those bastards in sm’s fault) heck, sm could even use that as evidence in court? (i really dont know what i’m talking about tho) as to why jyj should be beanned. damn.
I agree with you and really makes me angry at certain people that doesn’t get that we are mad and frustrated about certain things SM is doing against JYJ and feel that they are know it all and make us feel inferior but don’t let that stop you from speaking your mind because it helps you be at ease, I think that if certain don’t agree with what we say they should mind their own business and don’t provoke an argument because this is an open discussion after all!
I’m sorry this is so long but I wanted to get it out one shot. I would also like to know what others think.
I think that it’s ironic that as much as SM was trying the crush them, they were part of the reason JYJ were able to move to survive. If AVEX and SM wasn’t at each other’s throats then JYJ wouldn’t have had anywhere to go, and I have no doubts SSK or not they would be managing that farm they were talking about today. Being at AVEX gave JYJ time to settle, reassess, and to stop running scared. I know there have been talks of resilience and able to think outside the box, but realistically that can only do so much. Anger at the injustice of SM and how they responded and the lies they were telling made the difference. The anger at how they were being treated by friends and strangers. It made their will to survive into steel. They had to become determined to win in order to get through everything.
I’ve thought a lot about the court case and how it affected JYJ in Korea. I see a lot of people speculating on how they will be treated after the verdict is handed down, and wondering if it will get better. The case can go on for years or end tomorrow and it wouldn’t matter as far as public perception goes. Like others have said Korean society is nationalistic and if you are spreading Korean goodwill then you are o.k.
From my perspective it doesn’t matter what the verdict is because 2011 has done more for JYJ then any court ever will. The reason why I say this is because in 2010 they were ignored as JYJ. From blogs to the media, they were a non-entity in any meaningful way on the Music scene. They weren’t the black sheep of the family or rebel’s nor were they on the fringes. They were treated like they didn’t exist. In 2011 they got bigger, with every tour date they got bigger and bigger as a group. With their individual activities they increased their profile domestically. When you consider the strategy they really were awesome in the effect. It’s like they took a battering ram and blasted the door off of its hinges. They were coming at you from so many different fronts that they were a moving target finally. They had Music, Drama’s, Musicals, Sports, and CF’s. All of it upped their profile as a group making them too big to ignore. Not when they are spreading the Hallyu Wave so spectacularly overseas. I mean why pass up prime propaganda to feed to the masses back home. This is why the European concerts were so huge. All of those reporters weren’t there to cover JYJ’s concert. They were there to get footage of the Wave washing ashore on uncharted territories.
The reason why I say they are doing exceptionally well is the fact that as JYJ they are now being subsumed into the fold again. As before they were an amputated limb, now they are being treated like a finger that is being reattached after an accident. I don’t know if I’m explaining it right, but even though I hate that JYJ’s success is being attributed to the Hallyu wave, that in and of itself is a form of acceptance in Korea. There is still blockings and discrimination, but at this point it feels like something that the big Entertainment companies need to do in order to function (I know that sounds weird, but whatever).
The work and effort that Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu put into place in 2011 is solidifying in 2012. They were rolling 30 plus deep with reporters to cover the SA concerts. That is winning. I know it doesn’t seem sexy and they aren’t going on stage to receive a music award, but this is what winning for JYJ looks like. There wasn’t a greater example of that then from the controversy we had involving “those people”. Let’s stop and think about this, we had Korean Media defending JYJ. Even though we later found out the original story was shoddy reporting. The fact that the mainstream media was actually not only reporting on the janky reporting as far as scale, but refuting it was like o.O to me. Can anyone honestly say that if this same story had broke in 2010 that it wouldn’t have sunk them? There is no way CJes would have been able to counteract this fast enough. The fandom wasn’t as big and on top of everything else this would have been the introduction for a lot of JYJ fans as well. Without people to report and refute this on mainstream TV, there was no way this wouldn’t have been fatal.
It’s never going to be easy for them. It’s not going to change, but it’s becoming routine. We block this you (JYJ) figure out a way around it. We are reporting on your successes, but as part of the Hallyu Wave. You can be in these dramas and musicals because you bring in a lot of Marketing potential, and International Attn. (ratings and Cash in foreign broadcast rights). I want Korea to be different and something better for them but as long as it continues to trend up like this I’m happy. Anything else will be icing on the cake. I’m happy that because of their determination, talents, and skill they have gotten to this point. All of this wasn’t supposed to happen. It’s natural that their popularity dips and rise, not one group or individual Icon has ever stayed on top consistently year in year out. In my eyes they have already won. When the court ruled that the Entertainment Companies had to change their contracts JYJ won.
I can’t base whether or not JYJ wins on if Korea, Networks, or other things out of their control changes. If I were to judge whether or not JYJ won by appearing on TV music show stages or variety shows JYJ might never win in my eyes. But the fact that they are able to have careers in the entertainment field, and release albums under their own names, tour around the world, and be leaders and not followers to me is the ultimate win. Because at the end of the day some people expected them to be squashed like bugs and were determined to make it happen. They were never supposed to make a name for themselves as JYJ. The fact is that no matter what comes next, JYJ as a group has made its mark treaded new ground and kicked butt doing it. All of this will be documented, and most importantly remembered by us the fans.
Great shot @jaeftw.
My thoughts exactly, I just can’t put them into words like you do.
@jaeftw
Bravo!! I applaud you and what you said in your wonderful post!
xxoo
Hehe…. You have my supporting^^
jaeftw 
That is the smell of success as we retrace back and then forward, well done
Well said!
YES! THIS!!
SECOND.
@jaeftw Where’s the applause button? I wish JYJ & C-JeS could read your comment too.
Thanks for opening this post admins
You’ve raised so many good points & I totally agree with you. That’s why despite all that happened, I can’t 100% despise Avex or it’s CEO, while SM is another story. Here is my collection of what had happened based on the info shared by the JYJ files.
When the Japanese media started covering the lawsuit before THSK activities were suspended, TV reports stated that all 5 members in THSK in 2008 were considering leaving SM & continuing in Japan as THSK under Avex who fully supported this. That’s why they started with individual activities for the members starting in 2008, with Jaechun’s single, JJ’s heaven postman movie which I think was facilitated or part of it by Avex. Avex also featured songs created by Jaechun in their TSC album which were wasuranide and kiss the baby sky. I don’ t think Avex would have risked this unless they were certain that all members were on the same page. Things got complicated when Homin for whatever reason backed out of this agreement which I think was also agreed to by their parents.Avex wanted to secure it’s income from THSK, and as SM & homin now became one, interests clashed. Avex I think decided to side with JYJ,& decide to fully support them in Japan if SM will not allow the 5 to work together, & here is where Changmin felt betrayed and refused to shake hands with Max in the infamous back stage incidents that was after SM enforced barriers, curtains and guards to prevent both side from interacting.
Avex then signed the exclusive contract with the 3 as JJY, which includes according to twitter a huge incentive bonus in millions of dollars for the members, they also supported them individually with different projects; JJ’s Japanese drama, YC’s Bee tv drama, & JS solo album. I think everything seemed to work well, until SM made a coalition with all entertainment companies in Korea, & all of them threatened not to sign and withdraw any future artists from Avex. I honestly don’t get Avex decision at this point, because all the artists they signed after that will not bring more profit as JYJ. JJ’s popularity was sky high in 2010 in Japan with the drama, & he was expected to become the 2nd kiumura takuya of Japan,he was widely known outside the fandom and in the entertainment circles,YC was also very popular with the fancub, and whatever he endorses would have been really successful, Junsu also proved himself as a solo singer with his single selling~ 200,000. I don’t really know what changed Avex’s mind, because with all honestly I don’t think SNSD were the reason they changed their mind.
By this time, JYJ were still no where in Korea, with no one willing to sign them for fear of SM- remember the rumors about CJE company- & no is offering to help them.Here Avex introduced Baek to JYJ, who also was in a similar situation, he had a direct relationship with Avex CEO and Mr Chiba. Later, Avex decided to modify the contract they signed with JYJ, and when they refused. Everything else started, with Avex allegations of Mafia connection of their Korean CEO who they themselves introduced, to not promoting JYJ’s album at all with no TV appearances, no MV,& to finally suspending their contracts, which the members were aware of in their a-nation participation. So yes, Avex did help them to start off things in their career in Japan which according to the contract was a fair one, Also they restarted their activities in Korea by arranging for them to work with cjes,but eventually they backed down, dumped them and sided with SM which till now doesn’t make any sense from a financial point of view.
Oh my!! That was a long rant…
Anyways, I just want to add that the continuity of JYJ as a group now & in the future will solely rely on their teamwork,unity, and understanding each others goals & dreams. Secondly, it will also depend on the unity of their fans. Having solo fans who support one member only is not bad, however all of these fans should realize that the member is a solo artist and a part of a group. Thirdly, JYJ whether they realise it or not, still need exposure and publicity, & that’s where the role of social media is crucial. It boggles my mind,as to why cjes haven’t made them a weekly entertainment interview; nothing fancy, just a setting where they can interact, talk have fun, have segments with fans over the phone or on twitter, really like a 10 min show that is broadcasted on YouTube.
What about you? what do you guys think??
I totally agree with you about the fans staying bonded just like the members. This struggle is not over by a long shot. The three of them are talented as individuals, but their real strength is as JYJ. Anyone who doubts this should keep in mind what SME is trying to derail. They want to end JYJ. The old adage, safety in numbers could almost be a mantra at this point.
As was mentioned in an earlier comment where the video was shown discussing the Hallyu Wave – fact or fantasy – Prince has been around for over 30 years. Why? Because the man has a loyal fan base that appreciates his talent. Nothing more than this.
I too, feel harnessing the power of social media will be key for advancing. Make it yours. This is what Barack Obama recognized and used it to catapult into the White House. There can be no better example than this. Use it, work it, and succeed with it. This is the Wave of the future!
I also appreciate your earlier piece. It was spot on.
A very interesting read, with all accounts in chronological pattern, thanks a lot @kawaii.
I’m a fan just before SKKS period, so I find your post very informative with it’s details.
I’m enjoying my role as a “reader” in ODP,
again, Thanks a lot Admins for this additional feature of JYJ3,
so many new names, interesting posts, articulate writers …
@kawaii
Thats the real rub right there. When the two backed out at the last minute the plans had to be changed. It caused alot of uncertainty for the boys that wouldnt have been there had the two kept the original agreement.
I must say this was well worth the effort for the JYJ3 to open this ODP post for all to join. While I cannot properly participate at the moment I must quickly add that I am enjoying the conversations that are taking place here for the most part… Let us keep this up!
Continued good luck in school Claudelle Le.
^Much thanks for the words of encouragement >.<!
“I now work with Jae-joong of JYJ in ’Dr. Jin’ and my favorite JYJ song is ’In Heaven,’” Song said.”
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/06/386_111034.html
This makes me so happy!
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Don’t forget to check new replies to posts above. Happy Monday All
You betcha! Happy Monday to you as well.
lets think of a way for them to find a girl frined!
thanks for @Dr Jin sub-wanter LOL for the k-fans insider information. i tried to lurk in dc gall (duh, hehe), but barely got any insightful discussion that can show me how the fandom there.
anyway, sorry to raise this topic again, just a bit about sesaeng issue, i wonder how you all label someone as *sesaeng*? as i found it a bit too much when you pointed some paparazzi pics as sesaeng’s works. or those who looked at junsu from the shop window as sesaeng (in an article back then). i mean, if i were to meet them on the way, i’d be itching to take a picture of two, and maybe took a little walk following them unless they shoved me. so are all those *sesaeng* photos taken by those sesaeng? can it be someone who just passed by? i know it’s not a good behavior to take someone’s picture without permission (i did it when i was in highschool at my friend’s request though -_-”), but in all honesty, i’d be dying to take out my camera and took a picture of them if i came across them on the street. and there’s that passionate fanboy in peru, and all those fans havoc back then, and i remember some of you pointed those fans as sesaeng. i mean, coming to the airport wouldn’t really count as sesaengs right? or is it? while for me it’s clear who is sesaeng (a stalker, a very fanatic fans who follow 24/7, etc), i still find it a bit uncomfortable when some people threw this word too easily, pointed some people as *sesaeng* just because they went a bit overboard, or share a bit of pictures or videos. thus, i simply want to know how you label someone as sesaeng, because who knows if i fell on that *sesaeng* stereotype.
@noiha
I feel the same. ^^
Imo, taking pictures during their public activities or airports don’t count as saesang behavior. Also, if you happen to see them on the streets, it’ll be okay to take a few pictures (but not following them around for the rest of the day). I am on the fence about situations when they go to other countries for concerts, other activities, or vacations and fans taking pictures of them. I can understand that these fans don’t have much of a chance to see them in rl, but (especially if they are on a vacation) they probably want privacy during their sightseeing too. I think as long as the fans are respectful and know when to leave them alone, it’s fine to take a few photos.
Some photos are considered to be saesang pictures even if they don’t look to be that bad because there are some well known saesang stalkers. Plus if those photos are from different dates/different times of the day and uploaded all by the same person… even if the photos are not that bad, it’s still saesang behavior.
I agree with @Jaime
As someone put it, “They are considered sasaengs when JYJ do not expect fans to be there taking their photos.”
Airport pics and photos taken when JYJ are doing their activities like filming, etc, are not considered sasaeng pictures IMO.
What I really think is that with the two parents fighting, they didn’t communicate well and things fell in the cracks. They were behaving like parents with marriage problems. They had stopped talking about what was going on in the day to day running of the house. They had each made plans for the kids but hadn’t told the other, so, one scheduled a dentist appointment and the other forgot to pick them up from soccer practice to make it on time to said appt.
I think SM thought AVEX was just watching them, and in the beginning they were just place holding them as a company in order to keep JYJ close. AVEX thought that they could replace SM and take over their role. But SM was pulling guilt trips on JYJ and kicked them out. I think they both wanted the same thing, to keep JYJ making money for them, but the way they went about doing it caused both of them to drop the ball.
I think if SM wasn’t pulling the stunts they were, they boys wouldn’t have become so wary of SM and AVEX talking with each other. There were too many red flags signaling what the parents really wanted. They both wanted custody in whatever way they could, which caused mistrust by not only JYJ but others as well.
@jaeftw
Interesting scenario. For me this works but only for one consideration. Yes, they were like two parents fighting over the kids, but neither parent was interested in what was good for the children… i.e., as you said they both wanted custody but for what reason. Money.
In all honesty, I believe the guys were weary of SME without AVEX having a fight with SME. For quite a period of time AVEX was the second biggest shareholder in SME behind LSM. It was to AVEX’s advantage to continue a long and cordial relationship. Once it became apparent that SME was ruining its relationship with the guys, AVEX probably saw a chance to step in. Granted, given their status in Japan it could be viewed as win-win for both sides.
But once everything went down, and the group of five split into two different factions, the atmosphere became murky. I think the AVEX did present themselves as the next best thing since sliced bread. How could it not be attractive to three guys who were being used and abused. In Japan they did not have this kind of backdrop. So, working with AVEX did not appear as unwelcoming.
What AVEX did was make the same mistake SME made, they thought they could fool the guys into giving up their sense of freedom because of gratitude. Gratitude that they had been removed from and saved from a bitter situation. A chance for survival. We gave you that, now you owe us.
The ink on the new contract wasn’t even dry yet and AVEX wanted to renegotiate. When AVEX realized the gold mine potential after the series of the Thanksgiving Concert, all they could think about was grabbing control over the guys. Well, JYJ had been there, seen that, and done that. Not again.
Like all folks who let greed be their guiding force, those who engage in this behavior pattern, lose sight of what is real and never pay attention to the signs. Until it is too late. Abusing and using people for your gain, cheating and defrauding, disrespecting and lying to folks is just not something you can continue doing for a lifetime. Ultimately, people get worn and tired. They finally come to terms that this they will never allow happen to them again.
This is what neither company learned. For the two who did not have the backbone to leave, that’s okay. We all make choices, if they are happy, I’m glad for them. But for JYJ, I happiest of all. They now know who their real friends are. They now know what it means to be in control of your own destiny. They now know what it feels like to be treated with respect in a business arrangement. Now when they call someone ‘hyung’, they know who is real and who isn’t.
There’s a reason they are where they are now, the Universe is telling them, you deserve to be in a place of peace, happiness, and success. You have earned it. No more looking back, only forward.
@BAFfie
“In all honesty, I believe the guys were weary of SME without AVEX having a fight with SME. For quite a period of time AVEX was the second biggest shareholder in SME behind LSM. It was to AVEX’s advantage to continue a long and cordial relationship. Once it became apparent that SME was ruining its relationship with the guys, AVEX probably saw a chance to step in. ”
Yes. Because TVXQ was far and away the most valuable franchise SME had. AVEX saw MONEY and a ton if it, pure and simple. For that, they were willing to throw the relationship with SME under the bus.
wow, i really appreciate the discussions and the information sharing that’s pouring out. i read most of it and will try to respond soon. just want to say, this is an initiative that’s turning out well. kudos to all.
JJ=oxygen (@PheonixiaJJ) & butterfliesarefree2 really thank you for ur great explanation *happy* i learn more– how to be a good fans for JYJ
u’re right, it’s about maturation..name of fandom, color is a symbol..the important is, how we support our JYJ >__0
aaah, i love jaeftw’s opinion above..agree, even JYJ have a big trouble about appearing in media as a singer, i think its their point to show up..that our JYJ really really have a big potential and many people around the world know them….
but sometimes i dont understand, is that SM really have a big power in Korean entertainment? so JYJ really cant appear at all..even in Japan
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guys, this discussion really help me to understand about JYJ, korean entertainment and fandom generally…thank you su much to JYJ3 to this open discussion.. *bow*
Regarding Musical Award Today….
So, Junsu didn’t get the Best Actor Award. Yet
1. Fews days a go i heard that SNSD’s Sunny, will attend the award (she actually didnt). And it made me panic. Last year, Kyuhyun is also nominated for best new comer but he didnt get it, he didnt attend either. So, i kinda got foresight that Sunny attending would mean big possibility she will get the award (well, she didnt ). I dont hate the girl in particular, i saw fancam of her performance for the sake of checking how other idols doing in musical (i know, busy body), and she is decent because she got a role of a suppppper cutesy blonde, not so different with what she does in any other days. But i think i just couldnt open myself to the idea that another idol could get the Best New Comer award. I dont want people to think that you can be just ‘good enough‘ and you can easily go home with that award and our Junsu’s achievement isnt something special anymore. No waaayyy.
And so, i am thankful that she didnt get the award. Now, i even question myself, why did i have to be that worry. Lol. Of course, Musical is not an easy field!! (Am looking at you, idols attempting to be musical actors…)
2. Do you guys know about Kim Soo Hyun (MooSun) winning Best Actor in Baeksang (considered as the most prestigious award) this year, i heard so many complaints about it because he beat veterans actors, while he himself is good, but those veteran actors, two of them in particular actually did exceptional with their roles, in the end there is accusation that the award is all about great rating/popularity and hardly about quality. I have no saying about it because i didnt even watch MoonSun, but i actually can easily imagine the same things could happen if Junsu win the Best Actor Award this year. As much as i love Junsu, i want Junsu to get the award when he is indeed deserve it and noone can deny or accuse him for his winning
Junsu said this in his recent tweet:
[Trans] @1215thexiahtic: @motoro100 What is there to be sorry about, hyung~ I’m always thankful, and we will just get better in our own ways in future, won’t we~^^
And i seriuously feel my hearbeat getting faster when thinking how i will handle myself when i have to witness the even better and better Junsu in the future Junsu, i am waiting for you to bring out the magic again in the future~~
3. AND IN OPENING STAGE, THEY DID LE MISERABLES, JUNSU BECAME MARIUS!!!! THAT REALLY HAVE TO HAPPEN!!!
Les miserables is one musical that expected to be produced in Korea Junsu said himself , one of musical he want to play is Les Miserables, OMG, i want it to happen so much.
What do you guys think??
You know what.. i actually really wants him to win The best actor this year but after reading your post about Soo Hyun winning was being complaint then i feel glad that Junsu didn’t win that award… imagine if he actually win that award this year then of course many people will complaint about it right and i really don’t want that to happen to our Junsu. ^^
And i’m actually surprise that people complaint about Soo Hyun winning because his acting in Moon/Sun was really damn good but maybe because he’s still new so maybe that’s why and yeah you watch moon/sun yet right.. you better watch it because it’s very good ^__^
*you haven’t watch
The said veteran actors that i mentioned are the lead of drama BRAIN and the one who played King Sejong in Deep rooted Tree, if you also watched those two dramas, maybe you can compare it yourself
In the other hand, i always feel conflicted to state something along the line “Junsu deserves it” because it is just so hard to get clips of other nominators’ performances, while i really want Junsu to get the award and state that he is the best, etc, etc, i dont want belittle others in the process.
Jo Seung Wo who win the Best Actor, said in his acceptance speech “Junsu, i am sorry, am really sorry. Junsu’s fan, i am really sorry” , i really want to think that he said that because he thought Junsu is good, but it looked like he is affraid getting some antis. lol
I haven’t watch those two drama but yeah i heard they are great too… yeah i know how you feel.. i want Junsu to win too but then maybe his competitor is better but we’ll never know right as we never watch his performance….. but it’s okay because there’ll always be next time for our Junsu to finally win the best actor award ^___^
@Sherry90
Jo Seung Wo will do his debut in drama, it would be interesting if he dubbed as New Comer, when he can easily passed as Best Actor nominee XD
Les Miserables OMG @beyondmonica TWEET THIS LINK THREE DAYS AGO.
homg which one of the actors plays as marius?
He only appeared for seconds in the trailer, just search for a fine young man who falls in love to the Blond Girl (Cossete), he is Marius.
Monica-Unnie, is this a hint for Junsu’s next musical or just a hint for the opening stage?? I really want Junsu casted in Les Mis T___T the musical is legendary, even Junsu wont be the lead (he is wayyy to young to be take the lead role), i dont care…
But, the musical expected to premiere in the second half of this year, which reserved for JYJ’s album… T__T so, it seems unlikely…
god, i’d spent hours on Les Miserables online…watch all the performances that Marius is in.. the only person who can make me this interested in Musicals…is junsu.. if he’s not in the coming musical..i’ll seriously be miserable..
Seriously… junsu is really blessed. or should i say, just simply very very clever? he choses only the greatest pieces .. mozart, elizabeth, toh.. they’re all on international level..
i really am very proud of him.. just now rewatching some of his musical performances again from mozart and elizabeth.. i cant help tearing up and be proud to be his fan >/////< GOD love him!!
Ugh, who the one that has made me a girl who knew nothing about musical, now can ramble here and there about it? XD LOL. Junsu, it’s your fault!!!
I watched the Les Miserables 25th Anniversary Concert, that thing is almost flawless, if only they had better actor than Nick Jonas to play Marius, that concert will be perfect. Junsu can sing and act better than him -___- Do you listen to “Empty Chairs at Empty Tables” ?? i can imagine Junsu sings it vividly ;___;
I strongly believe, because the reputation of Les Mis is no joke, the company who got license to do this musical in Korea will do their utmost effort to make this musical as GLORIOUS as they can. It will be star-studded and employed the best people for every department. This musical has great potential to snatch Best Musical award next year, and i want Junsu to be part of it. SO BAD.
I think Mozart has set a certain standard for him, While a lot of idols started by starring in Pop Musical, Junsu started with Classic which i considered heavier and harder in nature. The guy is seriously blessed
Now, my tears-jerking performance is TMA opening, he stood in the stage along best actor-actress nominee, being the youngest, but still shines so brightly~ i am forever thankful that at that particular song, Marius role gets the most lines XD
Korean Les Miserables will premiere in NOVEMBER this year. OMG, MY FEELING ;___;
Same as you did, i also wished that he wont win the lead actor. as much as i am a bias junsu fan,i’d hate to see other actors looking down on him if they think that he won only because of his popularity. still, when the news out, i was a bit sad haha… he will win that award someday. i have no doubts about that.
@2017
I can’t feel too bad about Cho Seung Woo winning though. He really is a marvelous, nuanced actor. I really hope everybody gets to see “The Sword With No Name” at some point. Fabulous film and he is amazing in it. It also stars the beautiful Soo-Ae who also does a marvelous performance as the doomed queen. Highly recommended
As for Junsu, he is off to a truly momentous start as far as I can see. He loves the musical stage and it loves him. Being the Most Popular actor 3 years in a row is no small achievement. Look for the producers of future musicals to be falling all over themselves to get to him to star in their shows.
And by the by, here’s a link with further info on “Sword With No Name.”
For some strange reason it’s not listed on Dramawiki, but it is on AsianMediaWiki.
http://asianwiki.com/The_Sword_With_No_Name
I am totally floored when i read Jo Seung Wo’s profile in Wiki, the guy is GREAT!! And he was Kang Hye Jung’s boyfriend, before she married Tablo!!! i never knew that >.<
Jo Seung Wo will make debut in small screen soon, a sageuk drama
@juliang
“Jo Seung Wo will make debut in small screen soon, a sageuk drama ”
Wow! Really?? I Well, I can’t WAIT for that!! Any idea what it’s going to be called?
@lilibayu The title so far is “The Horse Doctor” by the director of “Jewel in the Place”, he only accepted the offer because of strong request and because of the credibility of the director.
@juliang
“lilibayu The title so far is “The Horse Doctor” by the director of “Jewel in the Place”, he only accepted the offer because of strong request and because of the credibility of the director.”
Well, this is thrilling news! (I LOVED “Jewel In The Palace!”) Thanks so much for posting the update.
@Juliang (replying to ur post below..haha really dont understand how this thread works..yet)
I’ve watched Empty Chairs at Empty Tables!!! God that song..i too can imagine junsu singing that song. i want it to become real! The songs gives me the goosebumps..Junsu will make it mind blowingly brilliant. …oh my hopes..my heart cant bear this..
Its on November? Is there a hope for us? Like, he could do both activities at the same time? or maybe they an give him schedule for the 2013 perfs?I REALLY want JYJ to do a new album, but i am also dying for this.
I’m really glad he had chose Mozart.. its such a blessed jumpstart.
I read in a news that the production team have started auditioning since February, so, by now at least they have approached the potential actors and actresses. I mean, IF Junsu was approached, he must already know about it and have decided whether to join or not… O__O
I had really big hope bout Beyondmonica’s tweet, but now i am not so sure anymore, since she actually only rt-ed and commented a news outlet’s tweet that informed about the Les Mis movie that will premiere around christmas.
In my head, it’s possible, Junsu did it with Tarantallegra and Elisabeth, remember?
We didnt even have a clue about it back then…
ISDNSHFNHSKAG!!
Junsu, i cant stand this tension no more. Now, i will just believe in God’s power to make people at KCMI, a musical company that you never worked with before, got inspiration that You are the best Marius they ever would find. And i believe in you that IF you was offered the role, you would have accepted it despite knowing that it will clash with JYJ’s album prod, because you believe that you can manage to do both.
And if those things didnt happen, perhaps, there will be bigger project that waiting for you in the future, still trying to figure it out though, what can be bigger than Les Mis ;___;
Oh, Amen.I
AMEN!!!
I think it was such a great honor just for Junsu to sing on the stage with stars of that caliber. I want Junsu to take it one step at a time ^^
Right now it is good enough for me!
Oh, i cried out of proud while watching it~~^^
Do you know why people complained about Kim Soo Hyun winning the award? Because the little kid that played the younger him (young Crown Prince) in ~MoonSun~was clearly better portraying his role than him. Soo Hyun was good, but that little kid was just brilliant! That little kid acted with a lot of passion. Because of that, when the little kid was replaced by Soo Hyun in the drama a lot of people lost interest in the drama. This is because the drama that was beating with heat became a bit tepid when “the kids grew up”. So ofcourse the award would be questionable.
I heard about that complaint too. What i got is generally people admit that he is good as a rookie, but still, his acting hasn’t yet been in the same league with veteran actors who was also nominated.
According to him on the day he was awarded, he’s been in the acting field since 2007. That’s 5years. That’s no rookie.As to the veteran actors, if they’ve won awards before then they shouldn’t begrudge this award not going to them. However, if they haven’t won before, then…
@loveunchanged
Oh, really? i think it’s just because people just started noticing him in 2011? i remember Yoochun beat him for best new comer award in Baeksang 2011.
then… it was really unfortunate. i can imagine those viewers who love their acting would be in disappointment because the brilliance and years of experiences left unappreciated.
Oh, the credit for tweet translation goes to @Alrisexiahtic
My first time to post here I really enjoy this web site good idea to everybody can discuss to each other.
I’m really enjoying this discussion post. Thank you to those contributing, its been really enjoyable to read.
Oh and just throwing this out there. I’ve said this on Twitter, and I’ll say it here. My one wish is for JYJ to have a Youtube show or to utilize their channel more. They can’t be broadcasted or make TV appearances but they can create their own show and reach their audience in that form. It could be a weekly show or at the very least, 1 minute self-cams just to be random or say “Hi.”
What do you guys think?
I think it is a good idea. I wish they would include more social media activities and also automatically sub their videos in English. Going further, I wish there was an email address to reach CJeS like a suggestion box. I know it would be maddening to receive a massive amount of emails, but they can hire an intern to go through the mail and sort out which ones are useful.
@Ella
I agree with you completely. Making use of the Internet in all its applications is the way to go. You reach the widest audience. Considering SK is said to be the most wired country in the world, with the fastest bandwith, it just makes sense to use the medium that will give you the maximum exposure. So, in giving the international fans a chance to connect, then the SK fans would benefit as well. For me, this spells win-win.
Starting out with a weekly show sounds like a winner to me. There are so many formats that could be used to make it a hit. Maybe if some of our very creative minded forum members put their thinking caps on, we could provide a list of ideas and pass them along to CJeS. My momma always used to say…Nothing beats a failure but a try.
I don’t know if C-JeS has the labor and resources to carry out those self-produced programs/shows. The company hasn’t been very good in terms of communication with fans and utilization of social media. Yes, it has a Facebook page and a Youtube channel, but it hardly updates them. I really wish they would do more with their Youtube channel because it’s a great source for exposure and publicity. A few minute video clip of JYJ or its members talking about their current activities or just random fun things posted every week will not only quench the fans’ thirst of seeing them, but also let the guys be known by non-fans. And English subtitles are a must because Youtube is international. If only there was a way to suggest our ideas and C-JeS actually listened and took into consideration fans’ desires.
“If only there was a way to suggest our ideas and C-JeS actually listened and took into consideration fans’ desires.”
There is contact information. The email address is there. Granted a reply may not comeback, but it is possible to send them ideas. We just have to be creative and curteous when sending requests. There is also the FB page. So, it’s not as if we don’t have options, it is just making the best use out of those options.
We don’t even have to bombard them everyday, too abusive. Decide on a periodic timetable and use that. Make it like a round robin type of technique. A group is chosen to send the ideas and then report back. Maybe come up with an online petition to lead the way. Let’s put our thinking caps on and make use of the brainpower we all possess.
If I can make a suggestion. We begin a list of ideas. Along with each idea, post a ‘how this can be accomplished’ suggestion. Keep it simple. Explain the reason for, or why you think the idea is a good one. Let them know the fans are out here and interested in seeing JYJ move up to the next level. Somewhere in all these ideas there will be something that will strike a chord, hit a nerve and get their attention.
Just a suggestion.
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Gotta go to work now! Take care everyone and have a great day!
8:02 AM EDT
Another great suggestion. Everyone lists their suggestions and how it can be accomplished. We set up a poll, and select the best 2-3 ideas. We have someone forward it to CJeS in an official manner.
@BAFfie
Excellent ideas. Might we also enlist one of our JYJ3 people to translate our finalized requests into Korean before we send them? Might make it easier for whoever has the job of reading them.
@lisan.
A LIST THAT ISA GOOD IDEA .
Here my idea… (my english is not so good sorry.)
— I’m totally agree with Ella (@ellerschu) post a live broadcasted (youtube) even it is just 3 min a acoustic ver of their song OMG this would be great.
1) it would be good if JYJ makespecial event like i summer song or Christmas song (notan album but just a single)
2) let fans interact more with jyj music like an event to look for JYJ new song name (twitter) or something like that.
Let’s keep posting ideas to collect for a presentation to CJeS everyone. I’m compiling a list of the ones already mentioned. More! More! More!
I hope those ideas are not posted publicly but it’s submitted to some specific emails (chosen emails) so as to avoid people (or snooping broadcasters) stealling those ideas and making it their own. If that happens JYJ will lose out.
I love your idea ^__^ it would be great if they could do that especially if they can sing live and just broadcast it on their YT channel XD
that what i say xD
My suggestion:
1. I really love JYJ & want them to succeed even further/more then now… in order to do this they really need to improve their English… like seriously excellent… not just good, but have to be great… hope they are already doing it…
2. for JYJ to automatically add English & Romanization sub to each video clip they added in YouTube… I for one doesn’t understand Korean, English sub will help me understand their song better & would make me want to listen to it more & more.. Romanization help me understand Korea language batter… usually i have to brows on fans YouTube account to have this feature.. what a waste to JYJ YT account..
3. Have their own programme e.g. “eatyourkimci” & air them in YT on monthly basis… of course they don’t have to criticize other ppl MV, but the idea is to have their own programme with fix airing time… (I have yet have idea for the programme, will update back if I can think of one)..
To add to my first post. I want to thank CJeS for all they are doing for JYJ – Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. I doubt there are many companies, who were and are willing to go toe to toe with SM. They have stood by JYJ, when most others didn’t. The CEO of CJeS even had his reputation maligned, by those attacking him as a way to hurt JYJ. I know they are a growing company, so some of the things we want might not happen immediately or take time. Personally, am happy that when JYJ needed shelter, CJeS was there to take them in.
@lisan
” I want to thank CJeS for all they are doing for JYJ – Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. I doubt there are many companies, who were and are willing to go toe to toe with SM. ”
I so agree. Talk about a job nobody wanted in the beginning! Going head to head with SM and AVEX, who were both out for blood?? I have a lot of respect for C-jeS for that.
I want to add my thanks as well.
CJeS took lemons and made lemonade for JYJ. The most important part is CEO Baek earned the trust of Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu. For so many years they were surrounded by folks who said one thing, meant something else, and did wrong by them. Now they are dealing with people who are standing up for them, beside them and helping them pave a new path for themselves.
I give them credit as a growing company they show an amazing talent for thinking outside the box. It’s obviously not easy to work in the SK entertainment industry with the kind of vipers that exist there. So kudos to CJeS for doing for JYJ what others did not have the balls to do.
This road is not an easy one to travel, but they are doing the best they can under the circumstances.
I’m very grateful to C-Jes too. The CEO made mention before about having many plans for JYJ but only a few becomes reality. So whenever expectations aren’t met or certain things do not happen, there’s really a reason behind it. And I think it’s not that C-Jes does not communicate well, it’s just that there are things they cannot talk about freely. So I hope fans will try to be more understanding and not just blame C-Jes just because.
I agree; I have seen comments from some fans bashing CJeS. As much as you want more things for your bias, we need to be understanding and appreciate what they have been able to accomplish.
I don’t even know why they haven’t done that yet. Most of their fans only get to see them on the net anyways (even if they manage to appear on tv, 1/2 of their fans will still not get access to that tv except via the net). Maybe it takes a lot to come up with stuff like that (financially and so on).
can’t agree more!
I always wished that JYJ would produce their own self cams or videos on youtube
Youtube is a definitely great area to connect with fans
@Ella
“Oh and just throwing this out there. I’ve said this on Twitter, and I’ll say it here. My one wish is for JYJ to have a Youtube show or to utilize their channel more. ”
I think we may have a winner here in terms of the First Suggestion to go to C-jeS. So many of us have wished for this, mentioned this – it just seems like something we all can really agree on and get behind. And then when we decide on some wording for the email, I think it would be really good to get it translated into Korean and send that puppy off.
Who knows? It also might result in more visibility for JYJ3 with C-jeS.
put some light on this issue… i found this info on some forums
The final case (JYJ vs SM) will take place on June 19, 2012.
It is possible for a case to be appealed three times but there must be valid cause. Therefore if SM chooses to appeal one more time, it will need a solid argument for doing so.
The counter-suit case of (SM vs JYJ) concluded on May 15, 2012.
(Case was closed to the public and only basic information was revealed).
n i read on some site that SME’s counter-suit and claim for damage against JYJ is now concluded and JYJ’s lawsuit to terminate the exclusive contract and claim for damage against SM is remaining.
Rumors are circulating that the case between CJES and AVEX may also have concluded or that the two are negotiating toward a settlement. This comes amongst shared information from a reporter in Japan that has said Junsu may soon hold a concert there or may be trying to. A Japanese promoter on Twitter was also seen speaking of Junsu (possibly working with him) and hinted to having a business meeting in South Korea. Take this information with a grain of salt though as there has been no confirmation from CJES or AVEX. (is it true??)
@jj2xia
“put some light on this issue… i found this info on some forums The final case (JYJ vs SM) will take place on June 19, 2012. It is possible for a case to be appealed three times but there must be valid cause.”
Thank you very, very much for this update. This is the kind of info that I crave and it never ceases to AMAZE me that these important updates on the lawsuit are not page one news and all over the broadcast news media in S. Korea! It’s daunting to think that SM has so much influence in the media that these important advances in the case, and news of them LOSING these various appeals and decisions are being suppressed by them.
@lilibaiyu
heres the full info n my analysis
jyj lawsuit … it always make me curious about what is happening and what will happen… there are 2 lawsuit one is JYJ filed against SM (its still ongoing) and 2nd one The lawsuit to verify ‘validity’ of the exclusive contract (ended on may 15 2012),This is the one that SME filed against the three members as counter-suit in order to claim that its exclusive contract has no problems and the members should pay damages to SME.
And on May 15th 2012, the case No.2 (SME’s counter-suit)’s hearing finally came to a conclusion and now only Case No. 1 (the one JYJ filed against SME) is remaining in the court. but the result of case 2 has not been made public .. it will be made public when the case 1 is over … .. my analysis… if case 2 (SME’s counter-suit) concluded than it means SM lost the 2nd case .. If the exclusive contract had been ‘valid’ as SM insisted, JYJ’s claim would not have been remained.
Based on the fact that now there are only the three members’ lawsuit and claim for damage against SME, which could not have been remained if the contract had been valid , it seems that the contract would be terminated and now there will be only the arguments between them ‘how much SME would have to pay JYJ as damages’. The final case is on June 19 and It is possible for a case to be appealed three times but there must be valid cause. Therefore if SM chooses to appeal one more time, it will need a solid reason for doing so. (even if SM dirty trick works and the decision is moved to latter date the LAWSUIT END IS NEAR) .. this is all thing i know and found on diff. sites .. this kind of news really make me exited but when i read the case 2 is over and 1 is remaining and its likely to end on JUNE 19 my hopes are getting higher and pray that JYJ will find Justice.
@jj2xia
“The lawsuit to verify ‘validity’ of the exclusive contract (ended on may 15 2012),This is the one that SME filed against the three members as counter-suit in order to claim that its exclusive contract has no problems and the members should pay damages to SME. And on May 15th 2012, the case No.2 (SME’s counter-suit)’s hearing finally came to a conclusion”
Now WHY do you suppose that the lawsuit that SM filed did not keep THEM from conducting business as usual and having their acts be able to appear on TV, just like we have read and heard innumerable times that for this very reason JYJ has been banned from performing on TV shows for the last 2 years?? “Because they are in an ongoing lawsuit” right? Well, so was SM! Why the disparity?? Ooohhh, this company! May its comeuppance be terrible to behold!
@jj2xia
“…this is all thing i know and found on diff. sites .. this kind of news really make me exited but when i read the case 2 is over and 1 is remaining and its likely to end on JUNE 19 my hopes are getting higher and pray that JYJ will find Justice.”
Me too and once again jj2xia, thank you SO very much for your post. I have been waiting for this news as well and I too am hopeful that your analysis is the correct one. I am so mistrustful of SM at this point and all of the deplorable things they are capable of doing to subvert justice but I will keep best hopes that the end (for them!) is near. And that JYJ will finally prevail.
xxoo
Oh, i took the info about Junsu’s concert in Japan with a sack of salts, but i am still excited. LOL
Right at the time Cjes announced tour stops for Junsu’s Asia tour, my eye brows raised for the absence of Japan, i understand the situations, but somehow i have a feeling that Cjes is working on something secretly to make it possible for Junsu to have a concert there… uWowww..
Thank you for the info, they say this lawsuit will take a long time, i know, but my friend, it certainly will come to an end no matter what one day
In reply to suggestions for JYJ YT: once a month Breakfast with JYJ, Jj could cook have the brothers over for breakfast. I know they don’t want a camera 24/7, but getting ready for fanmeet etc. or just a day when all 3 are together playing soccer, basketball, ping pong, loser has to drink or eat something the other members make.
I like that idea a lot. Kind-a like JYJ at the “family table”.
By the way Junsu can’t cook, he doesn’t know his way around a kitchen hahahaha. That would be funny to watch:)
@Cincinn
lol In that case, let’s make Junsu go first! And Jaejoong can stand just over his shoulder, tsk-tsking and shaking his head and rolling his eyes.
Then, when Junsu’s had enough, Jae can step in and save everything.
Sounds like Must See TV to me!
Sounds good… Smiling already
I already can imagine how fun and hilarious it gonna be XD
any of you have hallyu8 account? the jyj thread there is dead and its pretty sad..
This is the first time I’m hearing that name/word.
hahahha its growing for sure. but other threads are booming except for ours..so its pretty sad. go make an account~~
@tin
“any of you have hallyu8 account? the jyj thread there is dead and its pretty sad..”
I don’t know, maybe it’s not so important to worry about someone else’s site. We have a robust and thriving site here that is renowned by all who look for all the news and fascinating commentary on JYJ. We are the best JYJ site going. I’m not sure I would choose to fragment the solidarity we have here by trying to spread ourselves out and I for sure don’t have the time to start routinely posting to another site. lol
I can’t stand to read “Was Junsu’s Solo Album a flop?” thread….so many anti. That’s why I don’t like to go to that kind of site…
@niablossom
I was there and thought it will be a fun read with different people sharing different thoughts regarding the album but some people have a one side track mind and so prejudice. They are not doing discussion there or even a debate, dissing a person is not my cup of tea so I opted to leave.
Just my thought,
How good is it to read negative news? Does it simulate your mind? Does it make you happy?
there are plentiful sites out there. If one of you wants to read those, please visit those places to get all the bad vibes. When you want to recharge for positive energy this is the place for it. This place is for peace of mind^^
Why must JYJ3 need to post negative news? I don’t think so. There are many constructive debates to exchange. Ya! And come on, it must more healthy than to thrive on negative news.
JYJ3 has created a positive environment for JYJ fans to support the three. We are living very happy in this place with good feng shui, no stagnant air so far, once a while, cleaning is needed, so I’m very thankful for the people who takes very good care of this place. Healthy air is benefit greatly in the long run for everyone who loves living a successful life. XD
THIS! I agreed with you Cat95 ^__^
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@Cat95
“Just my thought, How good is it to read negative news? Does it simulate your mind? Does it make you happy? there are plentiful sites out there. If one of you wants to read those, please visit those places to get all the bad vibes. When you want to recharge for positive energy this is the place for it. This place is for peace of mind^^ Why must JYJ3 need to post negative news? I don’t think so. ”
If it’s a negative review by a reputable writer or something like that, that’s one thing, that I wouldn’t mind reading. But if it’s just stupid rumors, antis trying to start something, bored,contrarian posters saying ridiculous things – why should I read them and get all pushed out of shape for no good reason? I have way better things to do with my time. I bet everybody else here does too.
@lilibaiyu
Ditto ^^
@Cat95
I may be the odd person out here, but how are you defining negative? The word can have all kinds of meanings? In what context are you using the word ‘negative’? Thanks.
@BAFfie
Sis, go to the Hallyu8.com website and search “Was Junsu’s Solo Album A Flop” THAT’S what I would call pointlessly negative, ignorant and a total waste of your time. Do you think I’m being too harsh? lol
But that’s not what I get from her comment. So, I’m trying to understand how Cat95 is using the word negative. Then I will feel comfortable to reply.
@lilibaiyu
Unnie, Your are so brave, visiting that Hallyu8.com, my cool sister ^^
@Cat95
“Unnie, Your are so brave, visiting that Hallyu8.com, my cool sister ^^ ”
Aaahhh, I’ve been thrown out of better places than that…. They’re a bunch of lightweights. Not even worth my time.
@butterfliesarefree2
Hi Unnie^^
Good point may be how to defining the term negative rebuttal or negative constructive in a debate is close to what I have in mind.
First, where is their logic? Saying someone wrong is not enough; show the other side why they are wrong with fact or piece of evidence. Not something they make up.
Second, give some examples that make sense.
Third, their manner, name calling is no, no. attaching the individual instead of their view, or take their view and criticize the person. All of these manners do not make us wrong, it only prove the other side is losing her or his marks.
Hi to you back Unnie.
Thank you for the clarification. I just wanted to make sure I understood where you were coming from before offering a reply.
I agree with your points about providing some logic or reasoning for making a statement. I think in the past we have seen some major discussion conflicts occur for lack of this very feature. It does make a difference. I know on occasion, I’ve had to comeback and take another look at something I’ve said and needed to make my point clearer.
Yes, examples make all the difference in the world. Something that helps define what is being said and why it is being said. I think for the most part this does happen here, but from time to time we can forget to keep that in mind.
Posting by the admins/moderators of something that has a ‘negative’ bent is not a bad thing. Everyday of our lives we come across written/broadcasted commentary that has a negative bite to it. We can always learn from these. I don’t believe in censorship. I do feel it is possible to bypass that which you do not feel comfortable intaking. But one thing I’ve learned in all my years in this world, it helps to know what the ‘other’ side is thinking. No way can you make a counterpoint if you ignore everything they say or do.
But saying something to get a rise out of folks is wasted time. It clearly holds no real value. One would be better served to go somewhere where it will be appreciated.
Now ranting is whole other paying field! We sometimes need the emotional release!
Whole-heartedly agree with number three as well.
Thank you for responding so quickly. I’ve had another attack of head congested allergies, so my ablility to comprehend is somewhat stifled. Need to make sure I’m on the same page. 
@butterfliesarefree2
Thank-you for your question and yeah! we are on the same page
There are two additional ideas from your post in our discussion today.
1. The censorship
2. The rant
Both of these topics are good for argument. Perhaps someday, for now, I’m waiting to watch Dr. Jin drama, kkekekkeeee…. Take care ^^
I think it’s okay to read/post negative news or review if those pieces are well-written, logical, worthy, not grudge-infused, and are crucial to JYJ and the path they’re taking. Life isn’t pink all the time and people will have different opinions on one common matter. If it’s worth a proper discussion or debate, why not give it a try? With that said, I will definitely not waste my time and emotional energy where I know there are only haters and antis spreading pointless hatred, with ignorant bystanders siding with them. I’ve seen a few of those sites that make me wanna puke. However, if I’m in a happy place, and some brainless people come in to badmouth my boys, I’ll not let it slide. ^^
Sorry to butt in! I can only visit this site once in a while so I take advantage when I can!!! Anyways your question reminds me of a published study I read on hatred. The book (it was in book format) defined hatred as different from anger. A biological tool used by our ancestors to survive their hostile and dangerous lifestyle; Hatred is an irrational emotion that targets an individual or a group and does not necessarily fade even after the death of the hated object.
Anger on the other hand is a short term burst of negative emotion due to an unjust or disgusting action done to the person feeling anger. In other words anger has a reason. You can be angry with your friends but that doesn’t mean you want them to die. You can even forgive them and get over it but hatred on the other hand does not need a legitimate reason and can only be combated by fighting ones irrational feelings through diligently seeking to dispel ignorance (the most common reason for hatred). It was a highly interesting read and certainly explained to me why it is so hard for haters to ignore the object of their hatred and why reasoning with them can be so hard. I would not be surprised if some of these people write these articles due to hatred. But I must admit their hatred (so senseless and unjust) breaks my heart because JYJ don’t deserve that. Not at all.
*dispel ignorance about the object of hatred. To humanize them.
The book also discusses the “hate stratagem” used by politicians, hate groups etc to further dehumanize a person or specific group by feeding on people’s fears and ignorance. It discusses Obama’s historical campaign, the Ku Klux Klan recruitment of children, hatred of homosexuals, foreigners, women’s rights etc. I just can’t remember the name!!!!!!
so boring … I need some splashy news and discussion. JYJ fans please make some noise!!
I NEED JYJ 3 new album, tour , and the adorkable three in SK National Television
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bleuuuhh……….
@intoxicationbyxiaticsm
Lol!!!
The only one who responsible for your happiness is your own and no one should be more qualified than vous
I’m playing with Tarantallegra dance right now heheheeee…….
following the news of JYJ internal fanwars…… “The moment we break faith with one another, the sea engulfs us and the light goes out.”
I hope JYJ fans still remember that our greatest enemy is the lawsuite against SoMEvil and AssVex.
just my opinion….