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I think Chunnie is on the phone to Tae-sama in the photo above. lol
and Junsu was frustrated he could not call Yoochun…
Meanwhile; Jeajoong found out about Tae-sama and Yoochun’s fling!!! hehehehe
I really appreciate CJeS for everything they have done for JYJ. However it’s been almost three years and they know and often rely on the love and support of JYJ’s international fandom which is made up of more nationalities than just Japanese. I really don’t believe that CJeS doesn’t have the resources to cater to a wider range of fans.
It would be one thing if perhaps they had a small international following, then the cost would outweigh the benefit, but this is not the case.
I’m beginning to feel frustrated that they are not addressing the progress, if any, to include international fans into its JYJ fan membership. One, I’d like to feel like I’m supporting them in an official capacity, instead of / in addition to donating to various individual fan clubs. Two, it would be nice to have a little quid pro quo for our support and dedication.
I realize that the management company works very hard to get around a lot of obstacles but something like this is wholly within their control and can be achieved. What do people think? Do they need more time? Is it asking too much? Or is it overdue for CJeS to get it together to include a broader range of fans.
Something is really happening there on SK, I just hope that other iFans are patient enough to wait. It’s not easy for CJeS to work on the SK entertainment industry. And now that CJeS have other artists to work on too, they get block too I guess – I just hope my intuition is wrong.
is there any proof that other CJes artist got blocked too?
I see progress but I think it’s a difficult task to deal with the entire international fandom… how many portals do you think they will have to create to communicate with all of us. I mean… it’s pretty easy for them to work with korean or japanese fans because they have been dealing with them for so long but now it’s the “rest of the world”.
I can see where that would be a bit overwhelming.
@dbullock
“it’s pretty easy for them to work with korean or japanese fans because they have been dealing with them for so long but now it’s the “rest of the world”. I can see where that would be a bit overwhelming.”
For starters, they’d have to hire a phalanx of translators for – how many different countries? 10 languages and counting so far? (In order to coordinate fan club activities, they’d have to be on staff.)
I just keep in mind that due to the banning of their rights in conducting business freely, everything they do for JYJ takes so much longer to accomplish (as Mr Baek told us in an emotional message not long ago) Working for JYJ is NOT like managing a normal every day band! Each thing they try to accomplish is plagued with setbacks and start-overs. So let’s give them some more time to come to terms with the fact that we international fans are out here, we love JYJ and we’d like to be officially included in their fandom.
I’m not usually one to disagree with the general opinion but in this case I do. It wouldn’t be so hard to operate a site translated in English, it needs only one staff member who speaks English well. You don’t need to stare all day at the computer, it needs only occasional updates after the site is up and running. I think all of us is prepared and would be glad to pay to see exclusive videos of the boys – they have plenty we didn’t see, after all the camera is always around them it doesn’t matter what they do or where they are -, receive messages through the webpage, get previews of their work, be it songs or dvds, buy stuff. We can’t go to the fanmeets in Korea, can’t participate in various events for the fee we pay but they could send out free gifts once a year for the international fans instead, the fee you’d pay for a year amply covers the shipping costs of a small package of notebooks, clearfiles or such. It’s like shopping on Ebay, they would need only a database of the the fans addresses. Prepare the packages, print out the addresses, stick them to the packages and that’s it. It’s not that difficult.
well for new company like CJes, it’s hard to maintain all of fans’ demanding. but yeah i agree with you they’re too slow. even for a membership, (mentioning the Japanese membership) they just made it several months ago, while we know that JYJ have huge fanbase at Japan. I don’t know what makes they’re slow to make J-membership, maybe they find obstacles too at Japan?
but here we are, talking about JYJ, which is not JUST a korean group singer, but they’re a WORLDWIDE group singer. I think CJes isn’t ready to deal with it.
But I support CJes effort for JYJ at least, because only CJes that help JYJ to pursue JYJ’s dream to singing again.
Being an older fan (59) and watching some of the things that go on in these fandoms makes me miss the old days where you joined a fan club, paid dues, got a monthly newsletter in the mail, wrote letters directly to your favorite celebrities which sometimes got you an autographed pic in reply.
Things have certainly gotten more complicated…
I felt an fan older too (39)!
I’m sure it still works that way in the America. But it’s different in ASIA. Especially in Japan and Korea. However, the music business works differently in Asia. Albums are no longer main sources of revenue. They haven’t been for a very long time. In America it is just starting to change, but because the consumer market is different the focus is on LIVE performances and endorsements. In Asia it’s on any type of public appearance. For them a fan meet is an endorsement. It’s the same idea just different modes of presentation. The majority of American audiences don’t pay for a product that is not the music in the music industry. So fan meets are a tough sell unless the artist is willing to perform a whole concert line up. Artists in Asia also don’t get paid very much, not in terms of aligning with their standard of living of their respective countries. Unlike in America where legit companies have to pay a certain percentage or risk a lawsuit. And it supports an artist accordingly. In Asia they need more money so everything is done at the highest price possible.
I hoped that explained a bit more.
I appreciate the explanation but I was reminiscing more about how peaceful it was to be a fan of someone without having to hear or deal with all the politics.
Yes. I agree with you as I am also an older fan. Miss the good old days too!
We’re the same age @dbullock I remember joining fan clubs back in the day, too; and you’re right about what you got when you joined. Complicated is an understatement
I would just like to pay my dues, get my official fan club welcome letter and a button with the JYJ logo on it…no legalese, no petitions; just a funky piece of paper to say I’m a member of a bands fan club (: *No anger; just a heavy sigh – _ -
@Barbara That’s priceless. Aaaaaah… the good ‘ole days… thanks for the memories!
LOL I’ll be 40 in a few days.
And yes, I still cherish my signed Harrison Ford photo I recieved almost 25 years ago from his fanclub. 
I’ve never be a member of a fanclub before (waiting here for JYJ’s I-fan memebership), but based on your experiment, I think it’s really fun experience. i would like to have the same experience that you did in the past
Hmmm what kind of topic to discuss? Why @mjjeje unfollow everyone, except JYJ?
I’m curious too?
me to… so curious??
Cjes Baek closed his twitter account right??
Yes. And now JJ unfollow his friend (again) *sigh* I could only pray to God for His guidance and protection and wait patiently for the news and God, please let it be a good news.
Hackers and haters for one.
I think we tend to forget that he’s just like the rest of us… we all have to clean our closets every so often. Right now he’s dealing with two acting projects. He’s probably got little time for himself and he just wants to focus on the important things.
I don’t follow a huge number of people on Twitter like some others do but I’m always amazed at the numbers of tweets I have to weed through everyday just to find the ones with information I really consider relevant.
wait, when did Jaejoong unfollow anyone? I just check his Twitter and he’s still following 6 people, except the C-JeS’ CEO since he closed his account.
idk, i’ve just checked it now and he’s back following those people he followed before…
for me, JJ doesn’t need twitter to communicate to his friends. He has their mobile numbers and kakaotalk etc. As a fan, it would be nice to see him talk to his friends on twitter though~
Can someone for the love of all that is good please stop JFU on twitter from doing what I just read about. It will not help, you don’t dispel a rumor by repeating it. Even just to say it’s not true. Let the people involved handle it. At least wait until everything is sorted out. No one knows what is true and what is not.
and leave those who bash jj and do nothing? let the rumour about jaejoong spread like that? let them slander jaejoong like that? I CANT NOT LET IT HAPPEN. it too many time they sprea rumour about jaejoong already, this time jae fans cant stand it anymore
What happened? What rumor? >____< I have no idea what's happening. T_T
Yes what rumor..??? Please can someone tell me what rumor… i’m really curious now….
I agree. C-Jes should take action against those rumor spreaders like they mentioned here: http://jyj3.net/2011/09/19/trans-c-jes-announcement-on-rumor-creation/
It is only fair. Even if those fans call themselves PYC fans….by sowing discord in the JYJ fandom they should receive punishment if those facts are not true and just lies.
If they are not lies then that manager needs to be fired.
I ´m trying to find out what is the hell´s happening right now, so I may be wrong. But is not Yoochun´s manager the guy still the same person since like forever, I mean his personal manager/assistant since his SM-times? If yes, then I don ´t think he will be fired even if he´s done some mistake/talked dumb, maybe scolded (by Yoochun himself) but not fired. JYJ has not many persons they can 100% trust, he is one of the few who stayed with them during all those years. Maybe he needs few lessons how to behave in more diplomatic ways, especially when talking with oversensitive 1-member-only fans, but that´s it. I personally don´t think he ever wanted to harm any of the JYJ members.
@ruber I agree and thank you for the extra perspective
just to add, all of their managers used to came from SM. Park -sshi is now promoted to a higher role. YC’s manager is previously Yoohwan’s mgr
What is JFU doing? If they’re trying to clarify or rebut or explain about all the unreasonable bashing Jaejoong has got to bear recently, then why stop them? I’m angry myself because why the f*ck is my bias always the scapegoat for everyone to put the blame on any time anywhere?
Their bias got attacked and now they are taking turns attacking C-Jes. That is what the problem is. All of this will only put more stress on the boys.
I understand C-Jes has its problems too…but I am not ready to jump ship and claim C-Jes is the next devil like a lot of fans are doing without concrete proof!
YES PLEASE! The rumors by the that gall who spread the oringial rumor that went berserk….could be complete and utter lies. It’ not like those fans have a TAPE_RECORDING of the conversation! It could just be BS on their part all over again making people want to hate JJ.
JJ fans are really not helping the situation right now.
“The competitions of the solo fandoms will kill the JYJ ship faster than SME and Avex LOL. The two should just sit back”-Mia
Let’s take time to ponder upon this……
And this is, my friend, an issue that sooner or later we have to have discussion about… as scary as and sensitive it is…
This is happening.. since long time a go…
I agree, but discussion can be done calmly………..we do not all have to pick up swords and ram them at each other, C-Jes, etc. and as a result hurt JYJ who we ‘claim to fan’ the most.
Of course, i believe in us all that we can have a civilized discussion.
After all the turmoils that have been going on among individual fandoms, I start to think it may be a lot better if JYJ do more activities as a group. I know they don’t have that many chances to carry on such activities because album and concert tour can happen once a year at most. However, the more solo projects each JYJ member has, the more “1 member only* fans there are, and there’s a big chance that some of these fans don’t know how to respect the group that member belongs to as we’ve already seen. It’s very disheartening tbh. Not to mention I miss seeing JYJ together so badly.
Nope, if it would come to that then I would want them to do more solo activities. If Jae does not release his solo album and properly gets to promote it before going to the army. I’m going to be really upset. But you know what truly upsets me. The fact that these rumors were spread without any proof, then validated by the FU.
That makes me really sad too. Why are they being treated like facts? Fans have gone through so much similar garbage….that it is disappointing that they have not matured.
JYJ, and each member doing just fine, they even excel in everything they do. They have done their part of the job, it is fans that have to learn to adapt to this situation and being more mature.
Fans can be the biggest asset and the worst enemies of any celebrity.
I try as hard as I can to keep a logical perspective on it.
When JYJ split from SM, it was evident that they were going to have a hard time performing as three so IMO it was reasonable to expect that there were going to be solo projects which would make it easier for them to generate an income to live on while battling this lawsuit and the interference of their group activities.
With their solo activities, I also expected that each member would gain additional fans who may or may not necessarily become fans of the the other two or the group known as JYJ. It would be illogical to think that all three members could or would have an equal amount of success in their individual projects… life just doesn’t work that way. While some members may be busier than others, there comes a point where one person can only do so much in a 24-hour period so why put the bash on any of them for turning down projects when you have no knowledge or information on what their previous obligations are and what their upcoming schedules look like.
When the three members decide its time or are forced to enlist in their military activities, I’m sure they are extremely concerned about what is going to happen to their families, their careers and their fans while they are in hiatus. It will have a huge impact on C-jes too as right now JYJ is definitely their “money-maker” so it is important for them to expand their client base as much as possible before that happens. I personally believe all parties are working hard to try to deal with these issues.
Whether you support JYJ as a group or individually, the primary thing we all need to remember is that this isn’t about competition… it’s about survival.
@dbullock I love your post
@jaeftw and @JJ=oxygen Which Jaejoong’s biased fan doesn’t wish for a Jaejoong’s solo album? I’ve been desiring it for so long.
I think the problem is that those rumors, although without proof, have already been spread so widely. People read about them, and unfortunately many will believe in the twisted information. Jaejoong getting bashed is an example. For something as big that involves the war between different fandoms and tarnishing the name of one member, C-JeS could have done some explanation or clarification, perhaps not publicly, but among K-fans to prevent misunderstanding from going too far. But C-JeS haven’t done that, have they? It’s hard to tell Jaejoong’s fans not to get angry and take matter into their hands since this is not the first time things like this happen. I just read the English version of JFU’s announcement, it looks like they demand C-JeS take actions to clear the matter, and an apology from the employee if rumor about him being involved is true.
How about Yoochun’s fans reaction to this?
The YC fans I am following are all quite now. I don’t know T.T All YC fans aren’t bad, but a few like causing a lot of trouble. Some are laughing at the JFU announcement.
Oh, so on your timeline too? o_O some yoochun’s fans i know are also dont talk about this…
We must remember to leave the boys out of any of the stupid fan tiffs that are going on though. Fans are hardly the reflection of the idol… so if fans fight, they fight. Shouldn’t bring up the idol. For all we know, the boys are besties… it is better for fans to just chill and stay focused.
i just found a post in tumblr that is actually good and quiet comprehensive: http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/post/24711005897/what-the-hell-is-happening-jyj-fandom.
i hope it’s okay to share it here so everyone can actually understand the real problem is. i was being really clueless here following your discussion. i don’t have any twitter acc, and when i look up the JFU thing, they also won’t share a single thing (currently)…
if it’s not okay to share it here, since it can be called as repeating rumor, feel free to delete this post, admin. cheers.
I never know that Junsu also mentioned, cause Junsu’s fans i know opt to stay away from all the chaos.
What is JFU? What happened? Can we stop the person?
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That comparison was unnecesary, please moderate yourself
I meant JYJ fans on general.
CHILL PEOPLE!! The boys don’t need this!! They are exhausted enough!
“: Ah… Jaejoong fan union… Aiyaya. Why are fans trying to stir shit for whatever reasons… FANS= giver of love and support.”
You should have known the whole story before accusing Jaejoong fan union in stirring shit for whatever reasons ….!
“It might be difficult to accept that your bias is not on par with another idol… ”
That’s what the problem of this fandom, they called themselves JYJ fans fans but arrogance is at its best.
Oh yes, it’s already written everywhere, Jaejoong is not the best actor, not the best singer, the least confident member,
the only member named “useless” by other fans since he’s the only one having long breaks every year for unknown reasons.
So it is just right for Jaejoong Fans to just keep their mouth shut anyway their bias is not at par with YC and JS.
What a wonderful comment !
Erm… I meant to split that sentence up. eh oh.
That sentence directed at stirring shit wasn’t meant for Jaejoong fan union. Aiyaya was meant for myself. Tehee
And by not on par… I meant Junsu’s fandom being not on par with JJ. >///<
From what I know, JJ has the biggest fandom right? But as a Junsu bias myself, I feel happy for JJ… and I think Junsu is proud of JJ hyung too…
Sorry for the bad sentencing. Oops!
Btw… I really do not know why is everyone so worked up!!! Why is everyone fighting?! What actually happened? Anyone can fill me in?!
Can everyone take a moment to chill, and let cooler heads prevail. You are allowing one section of the base to write the narrative. Just stop and think for a second. Don’t let your anger get the best of you.
@everyone
So, in the las ODP i raise the topic about how Int’l fansites seem refuse to post negative evaluation from critics.
No, am not talking about negative evaluations from blogger around the internet universe, am talking about critics from experts in News.
Those blogs are something that accessible and fans can choose on their own whether they want to read it or not.
But, there are critics in news, korean news, that if translator from int’l fansite like JYJ3 refused to translate, Int’l fans will be forever in the dark about it.
I never thought about this possibility before, but there was this one news which contains critics circulated a bit in twitter one or two months ago, i did tip it several times to JYJ3, but it never published. Perhaps there was error in my tweets or something, but still it got me thinking about it and i realize that i never really read negative critics in int’l fansite.
Like when Junsu started Mozart, all i read in every article is he dubbed as genius, prodigy, and all. Am happy he got praises but isn’t it just seems unbelievable that everyone in the industry has that same opinion?
[there is a fansigning's fancam from about a year a go where Junsu and Fans talked about people take Junsu's rumoured high payment for ToH as problem and Junsu said that perhaps they think it is problem because his performance in mozart still lacking]<– indications that there are critics.
Or it is just recently i read something about a reporter said Tears of Heaven is plotless musical, while when it was performed all i heard was the musical was great, tear-jerking, authentic, and all. I am not saying all the praises are lies or just for the sake for promotion (most of the time, it IS for promotion, though), but i just want to be a realistic fan and facing negative critics would make fans learn not to be arrogant and stay humble, imo.
Interestingly enough, i think other fansites do this also. I mean, dont we often read something like JYJ or individual member were rated or evaluated positively while in the same article other idols totally beaten up. Do you think the fansite of those beaten up idols posted that article?? i try tracking this one time and it may be because i search in a wrong fansite (not so up to date or something) but, i found nothing.
And if this is really happen to all fansites (would love to hear experience from any of you who also part of other fandoms to attest this), you know…avoiding to post negative evaluation, really, no wonder most people in Kpop fandom are so sensitive, they tend to be arrogant and a slight nudge to their ego can lead to a massive fanwar.
I also understand though, with those of you who prefer a 'peaceful' life with no 'disturbance' of critics and treat fandom as recreational place (mmmh, is it even possible, particularly in JYJ fandom?)
But for me, i am well-aware that life is not forever sugary sweet, thus i often found myself after all spazz-air subsided, left in skepticism, "ugh, really? he is perfect? realllly??" [my reaction after read Mr Levay remark about Xiatod] in the end i went extra miles by searching fan account, non fan account and critics to confirm it. Well, it is my personal tendency and the way i nurture my mentality.
I still think there will be a lot of you who disagree with me, which is fine. I almost leave JYJ3 a while ago tbh because twitter has proven itself to be a great source of news with more diverse views (which i love), but this Open discussion came up and i just knew this thing will be fun XD
So, yeah, the topic that i raise is the almost absent critics in int’l fansites (all fandoms) and how it affects the behaviour and mentality of fans..
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Those critics examples i gave are Junsu-focused, because i am his hater?? lolol. No, because he is my ultimate bias, and strangely enough, i am more critical toward him than toward anyone else.
This is something I am also very interested in.
When there are flaws in the “process” of promoting JYJ (Japanese-only fanmeets, seats in fanmeets being draw lottery-style from the people who spent over X money at Y store, no english subs on anything, no periodic YT “talk story” podcast type thing, not recognizing the truly international flavour of the JYJ fandom, setting up j-fan vs k-fan vs -fan dynamics for products/concerts/anything), I feel like it is important to recognize the issue, and then address the issue with whoever is behind it, whether that is JYJ, CJES, Lotte, NII, or whoever.
Likewise, I am interested in hearing both positive and negative reviews of the performances of JYJ. Not the bloggy, bashy, fan-opinion garbage, but real critiques from professionals. I think those are important to know as well, and i find it highly annoying that a language barrier prevents me from accessing those. If I could speak/read korean I’d find them myself like I do the english equivalents for other things I’m interested in, but I can’t. Therefore I am dependent on those of us who can.
Just my two cents.
I agree with you. Fansites should also post negative reviews from professional critics.
This is what stood out to me the most and what I agree with:
“And if this is really happen to all fansites (would love to hear experience from any of you who also part of other fandoms to attest this), you know…avoiding to post negative evaluation, really, no wonder most people in Kpop fandom are so sensitive, they tend to be arrogant and a slight nudge to their ego can lead to a massive fanwar. “
I’m so agree with your opinion, Let’s face it. Criticism has become a dirty word.
Pick up any thesaurus and you’ll find “criticism” in the company of “nit-picking, objection, disapproval, and objection.”
The truth is criticism doesn’t have to be a dirty word.
In a broader context, criticism is an assessment, review or observation that can even be in the form of appreciation. Nobody seems to ever talk about that one: When the criticism is good, we don’t call it criticism, we call it approval. We call it praise. We call it being appreciated.
JYJ also have negative site and maybe with those criticism, they can improve their talent in the future.
By being able to ask others and yourself to give a true picture of yourself and use that knowledge to improve you will become so much more than you can be without.
The problem though is that we hate realising that we aren’t perfect. We hate hearing it and we automatically set up defences to reflect any criticism.
Being able to take criticism will take you one large step towards growing into the person you can be.
if i were a fansite’s staff, i’d feel bothered to translate those “negative” posts, esp if i don’t want to think about that. translating something is not easy, especially a well-written critic, and the translator will be very burdened by every single mistranslated thing that could ignite fanwars. with this “usual fansite” way, we got pretty news, happy and jolly talks without any tension. plus, by putting it as article, it might look like jyj3 “spreading” “bad” things. by talking about those “negative” things in gapp or odp where (mostly) only fans coming, it’ll be less visible to non-fans who can think differently and think bad about jyj without knowing the whole things. that’s why i’d be very thankful if any translator staff or k-fans willing to drop by in the discussion post and translate something “bad” for us again~
anyway, i’m currently lurking in a fanforum where we criticize about this thing we like without being hesitant. jyj3 is more than enough giving us space in gapp and here, but imo, this kind of “discussion of negative things” will be better done in a forum sphere. that’s because you won’t be bothered to register in a forum unless you’re really interested on the artists, thus the debate is (mostly) between the fans only. it’d be less-heated, more cool-headed, and more logical debate. same things can’t be said about fansite, obviously. try putting an article like “homin (sorry, i pick them as an extreme case :p) did better than jyj in terms of album sells in japan” and let’s see whether only jyj fans commenting there or you’ll see some “visitors” throwing firewood to the already ignited fanwars.
you made many good points too….this issue is so complicated….
Yup, i agree about the placement issue and how non-fans would love to jump in critics and partying in it. lol
would love to have a really nice discussion about this…
But, it just tells us how essential critics is alienated from fansites all this time, let’s say a negative critics news posted in JYJ3, what i can imagine is JYJ fans go berserk and throwing tantrums toward the writers, joined by antis who came out of nowhere and partying. That will unlikely to happen, if we are used to it, those antis wont easily psyched by negative critics towards JYJ if in their fandoms they also have to face critics from to time to time, or their idols actually face the same negative critics as JYJ.
Oh, i would really love to do research about this, it just happen that i am stuck with my thesis *sobs*, what do you guys think?
@noiha
Thank you that is exactly what I wanted to say. Its easy to say post the good and the bad, but this is a fansite. A major one that other people come to for news. Do we really want to be the cause of bad press just for the sake of reporting on negative. Why would a fansite go out of its way to post something damaging to their fav. This isnt closed posting, anyone from anywhere can post here. I stopped going to this one site, because they would make posts on any random rumor, bad review, or article bashing the artist. Then they would get upset because the people on twitter would take the story and spread it and not focus on the other positive things. Then ofcourse the haters would have a field day with the information spreading the links. People who aren’t fans would see the headlines and believe it because it was posted on the official site and start piling on. I got so frustrated seeing people complaining who not 30 minutes earlier was spreading the story, because the artist was getting bashed. There is plenty of hate sites and general websites where I see all sorts of people ragging on JYJ. Why should I have to see it on a official fan site.
This is where we have to understand that essential CRITICS on important stuffs is not something to damage, it’s a way to be a better.
This mentality in Kpop Fandoms that treated critics as bashing is something that i highlighted as distortion.
@jaeftw and @noiha
I think you guys are missing the point that @Juliang and I are trying to make, and perhaps it is because (I think) @Juliang is misspelling the word. I believe the word should be “critique” as opposed to “critic”. To critique something and to criticize something are entirely different things.
I know I for one would love to have access to:
1) fully translated articles (as much as I love our translators for their work, it drives me kinda crazy to read “unrelated parts omitted”)
2) translated ~critiques~ and reviews that may or may not be positive (i’d like to know what someone is working on to improve, so that i can send them encouragement)
For #2, three kinda exaggerated examples at complete random: people saying Jae’s saegak ‘tone’ needs work, people saying Chun’s acting with stiff facial expressions need work, people saying Su’s ott acting needs work if he doesn’t want to look bad next to the other two. Jae is getting into the swing of it and I hear his saegak ‘tone’ getting better (not that I really know what that means but whatever lol), we all know that Chun worked hard and overcame his facial expression stuff (though i STILL hold out that that is how Lee soon is supposed to be gaddangit!), and likewise Su is a ~musical~ actor and not a drama actor, and as far as I know has little inclination to change that, so who cares if his acting is ott, it has to be for the setting of a musical. But anyway, my point is that I wouldn’t mind in the slightest if JYJ3 posted articles that said that people need to work on this or that. But then again I’m not a rabid fan ready to bite the head off of anyone who dares say something against these guys. They are human, they’re not perfect and they can f-up just like the rest of us. I won’t stand for mindless bashing, but if I know what stuff experts in a field think they need to work on, I will do what I can to encourage them and cheer them on and I would hope the rest of the fandom would do the same.
@Juliang the thing is even if we fans treat essential critics as constructive criticism, haters and antis don’t do the same. They would just be that eager to grab any negative news about JYJ, spread it like wild fire, and color it some more to suit their intention. Heck, they can even ridicule good news. JYJ really don’t need anymore of that BS. What you said about Kpop fandoms is sad but true.
@springbok7
The thing is those things were pointed out. In the review post people were talking about the review you are talking about for Dr. Jin. The problem is the overall review was riddled with snide comments, cheap shots, and even complaining about stuff from the original drama. I read mixed reviews all the time, there was ones for PTB that said Jae should work on his speaking voice because he tended to be not as loud in projecting his voice compared to others. I saw mixed reviews about the PQ commercial, and loads of other stuff. They are usually mixed in with the story, and not highlighted.
@Juliang @springbok7 that’s why… for once, try putting yourself in staffs’ place. translating thing isn’t an easy job, esp with the critiques where words can be twisted so easily. people have tendencies to nitpicking sometimes, at every bit of word, while in translation most time you have to take it as a whole (i’m also guilty for this sometime). in haters word, this every single word “bashing” jyj, probably will be something they’d use in the future for defaming jyj.
on the other note, i’ve been religiously following k-drama blogs whose writers snark-ly wrote about jae and chun’s acting (with all those reasons @springbok7 has mentioned above). i fully understand that they’re entitled to their own opinion, so i have no problem with that, and i enjoy their writings. but once i found a fan come across the blog and name-calling the writer, and i really couldn’t stand that. now let’s say that writer whom i really like so much had her article here. maybe she’d get few agreements, but sadly, she might as well get a lot of complain or worse, name-calling. and personally, i wouldn’t like to see that happening. those writers writing critique on their personal blogs, some without any single intention to defame the artist they criticize, yet they got scoldings from fans. they knew they’d get that, but they never knew it’d be shared in a fansite where nearly everyone will bash them. maybe they’ve prepared themselves for that, but still, put yourself in their shoes. any kind of scolds/insults will make the writers a bit down, no matter how strong they are. that’s why, i personally think in fansites where people can have a “holy” impression of their bias, we shouldn’t share unfavorable review too much. esp in a situation when we know nearly everyone will just name-calling them. it’s also a form of respect to the respective writers. idk if this thing will ever change, but as long the fans themselves never open up to critique for the artists, i don’t think it’d be happen…
in jyj3 case, jyj3 also shared few of this “not-so-sweet” reviews made by intl fans (look up junsu’s album review compilation). it’s just, like i’ve said above, translating unfavorable review, from korea to english when both of them aren’t your mother tongue, might not be the most exciting thing to do. if later jyj3 staffs want to do that, i’d be very grateful.
p.s. i confess i’m guilty because i kinda agree with the things about jae and chun’s acting @springbok7 mentioned above. hehe. xD
@noiha, @jaeftw
Just to clear up one thing, I am VERY aware of how hard it is to translate. I am a student of Japanese, so I know first-hand about that, which is why I prefaced my comment on that topic the way I did. I appreciate very much the hard work of the translators, I am just wistfully wishing that they would translate things in their entirety, since there always has to be a judgment call on what is “irrelevant”.
“that’s why, I personally think in fansites where people can have a “holy” impression of their bias, we shouldn’t share unfavorable review too much.”
Sometimes I wonder if my gripe is more with fans themselves than the other stuff. I’m probably going to offend someone but this is my honest opinion. I think it’s utter stupid to have a “holy impression” of a bias. For the love of [insert your desired item here], these people are PEOPLE! HUMANS! FALLIBLE! I completely fail to see how anyone can go so utterly gaga over someone that they let all common sense and rational thinking fly straight out of their heads. These people don’t deserve to be put up on a pedestal, they don’t deserve to be worshipped or idolized. They deserved to be supported as good people, as hardworking, dedicated young men who are fighting a fight that we desperately want them to win, and win yesterday already, but still, they are people just like the rest of us, they make mistakes, they can put their foot in their mouth just as easily as the rest of us, and to hold them to some celestial standard of perfection is neither realistic nor is it fair to them OR to the fans.
Getting bent out of shape because your bias did or said something dumb is also stupid (I can’t count the number of times the excrement has hit the fan for this reason). Laugh at it and move on. Likewise, getting bent out of shape because some person DARED to say something negative about your bias is also just stupid. If the person is being deliberately malicious and slanderous, that is an entirely different story, but if someone is saying that they think X is better than Y at Z, what’s the point of getting upset? That is their OPINION! It in no way needs to affect your own opinion. Respecting that opinion, and having the other person respect yours, is utterly the way to go.
Maybe I am just not a normal person that I can’t get upset or wig out about them when rumours and gossips flying around. I fail to see the point in spreading garbage and want no part of it. This is one reason I don’t stalk twitter or any other sites than JYJ3, I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through a manure pile, nor to read gossip columns and rumour mills. I am not the type of person that reads tabloids and I am not interested in that kind of rubbish. I AM interested in good, well-written reviews that are mostly objective critiques of a performer’s performance. Not some random blogger’s personal opinion but someone in the profession who would know what they are talking about and is giving their professional opinion. I hope the difference between the two types of article is clear. When I said “critique”, a professional review is what I mean….
I hope this post made sense. I was trying not to let some of the other discussions going on around here colour this one…. but little bit tricky with the muck flying…..
@springbok7
Just for that last comment you made…the part about not understanding how fans can be so blindly ignorant and easily hurt when it comes to their bias. I think you should read this: http://seoulbeats.com/2011/09/butthurt-but-why/
because she explains this so much better than I ever could
and if you’re looking for a good place to find kpop critiques Seoulbeats is really awesome. Even though I don’t agree with everything they’ve written, it gets you thinking about different issues. (it covers all of Kpop btw, not just DBSK/JYJ) ^-^
@omgchun
thanks for the link. i totally went “OMG LOLS!” reading that article. you’re right, it does shed more light on things nicely.
I actually love any critics towards junsu. actually, among my group of junsu fans, we actually search for all the critiques for junsu’s musical. and we’ll actually cheer any good and negative critiques. why so? because the bad critiques meant that the positive ones are just as genuine.
Admittedly, i would also have some tendencies to get pissed … i mean, its okay if i criticize him badly, or when professional critics says something negative about him..but when someone else..its a different matter. however, when you know that person is junsu biased (lol? YES, i am bias dammit, but that doesnt mean that i dont love jae and chun) discuss about him in a criticizing manner, or sometimes negatively, i’m kinda cool with that and even enjoyed it. like, say, you, i know juliang is junsu biased, so hearing you commenting negatively about junsu, i sometimes nodded in agreement.
You’ve made some good points and I agree with you. I also believe that a large amount of the news we get has been filtered/censored. It bothers me but because I cannot speak or understand the language some of these articles are written in, I’m at the mercy of others to obtain any kind of news.
I try to take it all with a grain of salt and sometimes (like now), I get a feeling of wanting to step out of it for a while as things tend to erupt rather unpredictably and it becomes extremely difficult to know who and what is being reported truthfully.
I really want to express how amazing it is to see JYJ work so hard on what they love, even if they don’t get any publicity in tv broadcasting, but the only way to reach each and everyone of us is through the internet, which I can say is way better on getting more publicity on themselves, not only to one place but to the entire world. That’s the only way I could get a hold of JYJ myself and I’m happy I found them. I hold in my heart the hope that soon we will see the end of the lawsuit that is putting so many ridiculous barriers for the boys to promote themselves freely in the entertainment industry and show the ones that doubt them how far can someones perseverance, on what they believe is right by fighting against all odds, can take them, that no one/nothing can hold them back to get that freedom and the recognition they well deserve. If to fight for freedom and justice is to go to struggles,starving themselves on whatever means to prosper on their own way of living, for others to outcast them and not see them as an individuals that is not only doing good for themselves but for others and even their own culture so it can be acknowledge as a prideful place to live and get to know. Not acting as a real criminal but yet seen as one, out of the evilness of another one that all it has in its heart is selfishness and cruelty towards others, never seeing nor caring for the well being of the ones that really brings the prosperity of their own ambitions because they only care about how high they can take their high power, but I believe that evil never prevails nor take their ambitions where they wish it could go, because sooner or later their high power will be demolished by the ones that holds the force that can defeat them and bring down their stupid and yet ignorantly lies by the way they are making themselves known to the world. As a JYJ fan and admirer, I’m proud to say that is worth for me to care and give my every blessing to each of the boys and I know that soon they will be seen by those that now are not caring much about them, as the ones that fought until the end to be recognized not only as true warriors in the entertainment industry for their freedom, but what they love the most to be recognized, as musicians as well as actors, lets never loose faith on a brighter future for the boys but hold it in our hearts strongly because they want us to believe in them………….JYJ FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surely there’ll always be praises as well as critics.
It’s just natural to feel warm getting info every good things happened about JYJ..only wish they are given chances & being able to show their talents, grow more and more..
Not only them, it’s journey of life for everyone indeed..
Yes, they’re among rare artists who’re so involved w/ fans; how it effects better or worse, thus having the balance would be more favorable, wouldn’t they? ^
What matters is if JYJ is getting the good and bad. Trust me, they are. They are already aware of the stories in Korea from critics, reporters, and the like. They know what could be worked on or not. Even if the intentions are good, it wouldn’t help JYJ.
Can someone please tell me what rumor people have been talking about..? From the conversation about the rumor it’s involve JJ’s and YC’s only fans right…?? I’ve heard too a couple of days ago that there is rumor about them but no one actually saying what the rumor is really about so please anyone who knows about it can you tell what is that rumor please……
try to read this http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/post/24711005897/what-the-hell-is-happening-jyj-fandom
Thank you for posting the link… ^^
It saddens me that jyj fans are having disagreements w each other. we cannot help it if there are “1 member only” fans but be reminded that members are each a part of a whole jyj. If you only support one, and bash the others, the whole group jyj would eventually suffer. If you really love one above the others its okay. But you have to also love the other two even if not as much as your bias. It is still love anyways.
Yes it saddens me too about the 1 member only fans that are bashing the other two…. even if they just support one of them they shouldn’t bash the other two…. fans that love and support all 3 are the best!!
I agree. Even if you are a 1-member-fan, you should not say bad things/rumors about the others. It will only hurt and weaken jyj and it includes also your bias. United, they and we have much more power. The boys themselves have surely enough own problems, why should we – fans – add more? And it doesn ´t help that many of the opinions I ´m reading on twitter sound like from kindergarden. Are not the most of us +18? Why don ´t we behave in a more mature way?
@ Juliang
Mhm. I think it’s an interesting point to you bring about. When being supportive of anything and anyone, being a smart supporter/consumer is being an informed one. Having that said, I wouldn’t mind negative critiques of JYJ in fansites so long as they are professional.
However, in terms of being a consumer of the creative arts … a professional critique of said ART [in this case JYJ artistry] really doesn’t influence my “LIKE” factor. Just because some professional said that the ART I like is not credible, marketable, or GOOD it’s not going to make me like it any less. I like what I like because I like it. No fad or bash is going to change that, only my own interest. I rely on my own sense of artistry. After all, in the end it’s me who is going to have to be exposed to the art anyway. We have our own tastes and such. And that is always subjective and biased. So long as people remember that I don’t think it’s problem. I’m perfectly capable of seeing the art’s [JYJ's] weakness even when it’s not said or said otherwise. I can see where JYJ is lacking and the fact that fansites don’t report it is not really much of a problem to me. I like seeing their praises because I’m not always thinking that. I love JYJ as artists and nothing else. I’m a consumer and even though I may be emotionally invested, I’m still very well aware of that.
So in all honesty, here it goes. Let’s discuss Dr. Jin for example. In terms of the story plot, I’m not really into it. It’s as simple as can be, a plot that’s fairly generic. A Dr. travels back in time and struggles to save lives with the lack of resources. After the first two eps, I knew that was the point of the story. Any character development or complexity and solving of the mystery to come is obviously secondary. So the structure of the plot is simply not cutting it for me. However, assuming there are some good actors then I’m willing to give it a try for the sake of watching good performances. Now, I’m not a fan of Park Min Young. I think her characters always end up being some rendition of the previous one. But the woman that plays that Ginsaeng is interesting. So there is my female interest. In terms of male actors, I like the prince’s character. He’s complex and shows an ironic portrayal of cultural reality for disowned royals. And of course, JaeJoong; the bastard son with a growing conscience and fear of his social predicament. I happen to believe that like Yoochun he is a smart business man, and chooses his roles mostly based on strategy not opportunity. I think he took to this role to try something completely different. I mean, so far that seems to be his trend. Now look at the actors he’s working with … these are very well known and experienced veterans. There’s obviously something he is looking to learn from this, in the least whether to take a role of the same demands again and how to approach it. It’s what I would do anyway. As skillful as I believe him to be, JJ is still a rookie and with that comes some downsides. 1. it takes him a while to nail his character. And by a while I mean an episode or two. I think anything more than that is sign that one should have more instruction. 2. His genre is limited based on his fan base. I don’t know if anyone has noticed this but Dr. Jin has a different target audience than most other dramas he or any other idol actor has been in. [Same with Ms Ripley]. It’s not a comedy or an obvious romance and it has some well seasoned senior actors that usually have very little to do with the idol scene. Again, this is perhaps another reason why he chose it. As why Yoochun chose Ripley. I like watching him grow into a character and try something new. I like watching him have to struggle but not give up. Why? Because it’s what an artist has to do. He’s not a trained actor from the get-go so he has to learn from his experiences. This may not be the best drama for him. In fact, it’s plain awkward. BUT I like him as an artist and that makes me want to watch his development. Imagine how diff his character will be end at the end of the this series?! THAT is worth watching this drama for.
Moving on, I think there is something that has to be properly defined here. And that is market value. Idols like JYJ can claim an obscene amount of money for their employment because of demand. That is not to say that talent has nothing to do with it, surely it does. Otherwise the demand would have never been created. Even when the talent is not aligned with the job. But demand surely overrules experience in terms of marketability and selling power. And with less experience comes a lack of some skills. A maturity that can only be built through such experience. Critics have a right to point to this out and artists to not take it to heart and learn from it. Like say, Junsu’s first musical … Mozart. He spoke about this a few times in the DVD and that is the issue of his range. Now we all know that a as a pop singer his range is flexible and tone perfect. However, the classical music scene is much more specific with what he can and cannot do. As a natural middle baritone, he can’t sing most any other parts when in character [which btw also limits which characters he can play]. Unused to this, he had trouble maintaining his lower range constant because he is not trained to keep a middle baritone range constant for that long, with such power, and specific technique …. but to have the broadest range possible with mere good support. So that made his tone suffer and his body bear the brunt of all the effort, limiting his mobility [from what I could tell anyway]. Singing in a musical is still much more of a concious-still-thinking-about-it effort. So in short, he lacked the comfort and tonality the defines the skill of a well seasoned musical actor. Do I recognize that? Yes. Should he have gotten more training before pursuing such a task? Maybe, but I don’t’ think it’s necessary. Why? Because he’s already trained. He just had to learned to use his skills differently and get comfortable which happens w/ the directors and instructors. How do you do that? By DOING IT. He got paid more because he is in greater demand than the other musical actors. IS that fair? I think so. He worked to build his name. Doesn’t matter where. But he worked for it. He’s not the only one taking advantage of that. SO does everyone else that chooses to work along side him. Others get paid because of him too. It’s the cycle of business. And that is what critics are paid to make a fantastic story for. Period. I still like him and his effort as a musical actor and musician.
following the news of JYJ internal fanwars…… “The moment we break faith with one another, the sea engulfs us and the light goes out.”
I hope JYJ fans still remember that our greatest enemy is the lawsuite against SoMEvil and AssVex,
just my opinion….
You’re right, but as long as there are fans who look down on one JYJ member, acting mighty and arrogant, judgmental and accusive , internal fanwar will surely arise.
one solution to this problem is to do activities together, JYJ for example acted in one drama, starred in commercials along and immediately put out their new album and of course the world concert again
I think doing activities together at this time won’t solve the problem, considering that Junsu has already gone solo for the moment and YC is doing great in drama and CFs. I wish Jaejoong could do more solo projects, release a solo album and have solo concerts on his own to prove that he’s not just a pretty face. He has to prove his worth as a solo artist first before going back to JYJ. He’s always looked down and judged by some fans.
@Kris
JJ has two acting projects this year. Probably composing and writing for JYJ next album. Have a bunch of fanmeets this year. What more does he have to do to prove his worth in JYJ? JYJ don’t deserve this boy. They should break up so JJ can have more resting time. Because this is shit if two acting projects is not enough. Then adds in a bunch of fanmeets from last year till this year. If you adds up every members’ projects. They equal. No one is more than the other. Let’s not forget, during JYJ first year in JPN, JJ has a drama as well. He has done his jobs in promoting this brand called “JYJ” but he’s not worth it now? Fine, let him go solo. I much rather he go solo than seeing him looking down on. It’s funny how he’s nothing when he can get 23 tons of rice to donate to a drama conference that he’s a supporting actor in. It’s funny how he’s nothing when he can hold fanmeets in many countries and get it sold out.
It’s really pissing me off that you want more from him when he’s actively promoting. And it’s always during the time when he’s promoting that you get this shit. Every year. It’s really annoying and fed up. I don’t want to be in this fandom anymore. He shows enough of his worth, if people think it’s not enough, then screw it. Kim Jaejoong, go solo.
@littlemousehouse
you know what, you’re entitled to your opinion. but this opinion, in the current time, is just going to make people feel worse. i don’t get why people have a habit of nitpicking others’ comment too much instead of reading it as a whole and take the good thing from a post. what’s wrong from wanting jaejoong to do a solo singing career? wanting that doesn’t necessarily neglecting all what he’s done. tbh, after seeing how awesome junsu can be, rather than anticipating their new album, i want to see each of them to produce a solo album. i know they’re busy, i know they need rest, but hey, a fan can at least speak up their hope right?
anyway, it’s annoying to see “victim” mentality every time we discuss about thing like this. jaejoong got what he deserved, he got many news coverage for his song-writing skill, his acting, or his fans’ activities. yoochun got what he deserved, and so does junsu. having only three members with talents in various department, i’d say jyj fandom are lucky to have all of them getting almost the same recognition. it’s funny how sometimes people never really satisfied and keep comparing each other’s achievement when all of them have their own wonderful achievement, something that other kpop idol group really hard to do.
@Noiha
Nitpicking? What the heck did I said about the other two? To bring out the ‘victim’ card? All I said was stating out what JJ did in a year because Kris was talking about people looking down on him. It was toward those people. If people think he’s not worth it or done anything to help “JYJ” then release him. Let him go solo. It’s just my opinion. Because I’m obviously tired of shit happening when he has solo activities. I don’t want to deal with all this dramas, and hear my bias keeps getting bashed at. I’m actually fine with the other two. I’m not bashing the other two. And in fact, no one is having more activities than anyone in JYJ, I even stated that if you list them, you’ll see they have equal opportunities. Anyway, I think I’ll just go back to lurking mode now.
@littlemousehouse
I think we’re in the same boat, maybe you just misunderstood me. And please don’t go back to your lurking mode, the more we exchange our thoughts the more we can understand and know each other, right ?
I agree JYJ should do activities together again, making new album for example. Or, what’s the meaning of JYJ then?
JYJ is a group consist of three people. I don’t want JYJ just as a name/term. Well that’s what I see now. YC and JJ with their dramas, JS with his solo & musical. Three of them are too busy with their solo project, and i don’t really like it. although I understand what they do is to keep JYJ’s name alive, just like Shinhwa did in the past (sorry for mentioning others group)
But still, it’s their music that makes us love them, not their individual skill as an actor.
I miss them as a group.
i hope you don’t misunderstanding my comment because my lack english
i agree @kris..
@kris
i second that…
This is just the beginning. All you need to do is just sit back, relax and watch the fandom fighting until no one can save. I am not kidding. This is the only thing I can do since I have no say. Please influential bloggers, twitter persons, please be so kind not to get worsen the situation. Thank you.
I Hate all those JYJ internal fanwars.
To Chunsas: Are you YC fans or Yc manager, I am sure C-JeS knows to chose what is the best for him.
To Jaejoong Fans: I do not know if it’s because you protect Jj to much or what but some time you make JJ looks like a victim, and he is not (i hate when people treat JYJ as victims because i hate that people trear myself as a victim too) you take every personal. JJ has a drama just like Yc has one and Js(has the musical), JJ has a ost just like Js… JJ has a Movie and Js has a album… so how can this be unfair???
To JYJ fans: please people c-jes it is not our enemy please.
To Me: move your ass out of here now.
you forget “to chunsa who bash and spread rumour about jj” what is your answer?
My answer is that “you also forget some JJ fans who do exactly the same thing to Chun”. This is what I have noticed. Without verifying the credibility of the source, some one-member fans take a vicious rumor and spread it like its the truth.
No one did it to Chunnie. JJ-fans even if JJ biased have never attacked the other two…..as far as I can tell (on my tline; it could be different in Korea). Most just hated those few Chunsas who were attacking the members.
+1
If we focused a 100% of our attention towards the projects that these young men put out, we would show so much more genuine love and respect for them as artists/musicians/entertainers.
We have to remind ourselves that we are lost in cultural and language translation, probably at least 75% of the time, but we find it in our “rights” to keep pounding against one other. Why the freak do we keep trying to regulate these men actions/activities/management or the perceived said things? This idea of ownership of the men and their activities or the way they act, IT IS CREEPING ME OUT.
Just because I am buying their music+products, it doesn’t mean that they have to attend to any WHIM that I have. I can politely make suggestions and hope that they will be considered, but it doesn’t mean that I have to go apeshit on everything that moves against my “wind.” To materialize suggestions it take resources ( financial and otherwise), time, energy; it needs to consider legal regulations of each and every country; it needs to have connections in the respective country; and it needs to bring a PROFIT.
As I see it, these are the only facts that stand in my book (I thought everyone knew this by now):
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) love and respect each other very much.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) work hard as individuals and JYJ with the resources/market that they have at this moment in time.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) can stand strong as a group and as individuals.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) love and respect all the support fans show them as individuals and as a group.
Everything else is NOISE that we chose to make because we have nothing else better to do.
All these SQUABBLES have nothing to do with the boys; it’s our perception/delusions that we project on them, and then we go around blaming them for our own disappointments. Yuck, we should better grow up, ne?
@daebaksama
THIS! I am in total agreement with everything you are saying here.
To: @silvia, @jaeftw, @springbok7, @juliang, @Angie, @noiha, @dbullock
You each made some very important and strong points in your comments, so I’m not going to reiterate. But they are all pertinent. When issues like this arise, I am reminded of something I try to constantly keep in mind, along with others.
TIMING. Call me cynical, supsicious, – even paranoid – if you want, doesn’t bother me. I would like to suggest people keep in mind these two elements….PRECIOUS and FORVER.
When noise like this occurs, my inner sense and intuition kicks in and questions…WHY NOW? But there is a pattern, make no mistake.
Granted, we can all recall noise we hear through the passage of time. But one thing seems to be certain. Whenever IMPORTANT events are to occur in the lives of JYJ, something always pops up like a bad penny.
Now I certainly do not have any proof of my suspicions, but one thing I’ve learned in my 60+ years of life, never take anything for granted. Especially don’t take them for granted when important times are happening.
Manipulation is a very fine art form. It can take many different forms. In the anonymous age of the Internet, this is more true than any other time in recorded history. Given the nature of the beast so to speak, how hard could it be for all this NOISE to be a product of said manipulation? I don’t think there can be any doubt as to the expertise involved here.
When you key in the nature of the Asian fandom market and how it was created and why, this is not that much of a stretch. Couple this with a growing younger populated fandom, it’s almost like putting a match to a fire rocket. Off it goes!
There is a really big event that is about to happen in the next few weeks. I’m going so far as to say, a certain party, knowing which way the guillotine is going to fall, would love to make sure there is a measure of disarray, confusion, and anger present. They have to know the HUGE impact the outcome of this lawsuit decision is going to have. Divide and conquer is a very useful tactic in warfare. Make no mistake about it, this is war. Anyway and every way they can manage to put a crack in the foundation that supports JYJ — all three members, is to their advantage.
What seems to be lost in the translation for those who are engaging in this single-JYJ member fan mess, they must not know their single-member well at all. Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu took that walk down that plank TOGETHER, holding hands. They fully understand the nature of the industry they work in. They fully understand how hard they have to work to stay afloat.
Here is something else I would like for these excitable member fans to take into consideration. All your messaging to ask, whatever member, to leave CJeS is probably going to fall on deaf ears. Why? Because I’ll put bank on the fact that the members of JYJ are INVESTORS in CJeS by now. Not only does CJeS take it’s orders from JYJ, but Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu are now proud owners. Clue? The name on the recording studio reads…CJeS. When purchase of said studio was announced, it was said JYJ purchased it. That to me puts a whole different spin on the relationship.
These are three very smart, savvy, talented young men. They are ambitious, hardworking, and dedicated to their craft. Every step each one takes is not made in a vacuum. Please give them credit for having the ability to know what they are doing. If you are not able to do that, then maybe you don’t know your member fave as well as you think you do.
PEACE
@butterfliesarefree2
I am joining the cynical club, and I add in the skeptical club ( I am both a cynical and a skeptical person in my everyday life). So, I do agree that things do not just happen in void in this particular industry that we are talking about. I do also agree and believe a 100% that these three men are smarter/wiser/stronger that anyone give them credit for. They lived through the hell of it all, and they learned a few lessons. Throw mud at them, and they will clean each other; bruise one of them, and the other two ( plus friends and family, which people forget that these young men DO HAVE) will be there to attend to the pain.
Adding on to this….I think the biggest problem fans have right now is that they think JYJ are indeed ‘babies’ who cannot take care of themselves. When in fact they are at the age to make their own babies. I understand fans care about their bias. But, they must understand that these are logical THINKING men who can make their own decisions. And these decisions could be things that fans don’t agree with at all.
All three members are very popular individually AND as a group. All three of them probably get offers that they have to sacrifice for the sake of the group, or even their fans. There are also probably MANY moments when they want to speak their mind but keep their thoughts to themselves. If fans find out about some of these offers and how they were rejected….they have no right to take it personally on behalf of their bias. They do not know what their bias is thinking in their mind, even if they have convinced themselves they know everything. We, all in fact are only fans. We only know the sides the members CHOOSE to show us. They probably have so many sides they do not show us.
Lastly, I know that CJes has many problems, but I feel SO frustrated when fans start group-bashing CJes. CJes is a company that JYJ hired. CJes is still a NEW company, and the staff are SUPER overworked and underpaid. They are also understaffed. I can say they are underpaid…..by the fact alone that JYJ had to buy the CEO a car…….aka he could not afford one for himself. I honestly get scared of fans many times. I still remember when the Beginning album was being promoted, how fans bashed almost everyone that got close to the boys during that time period. And most of them stopped working with the boys, probably after getting frustrated with fans. Whenever someone JYJ is getting close to gets hurt by fans…who does everyone think gets hurt the most? It is the members of JYJ. When CJes gets bashed so much…it is probably the JYJ members, who already are working super hard to satisfy fandom ‘thirst’ that have to work even harder to correct the problems.
What I mean is I wish fans would also become more patient. And also think critically of what they are being told. Even if the tellers are Kfans. Many of the rumors that are started are not tape-recorded….they are written on the internet….which is not a very trustworthy source in the first place.
@BAFfie
@daebaksama
Sisters dear, what has been tickling the back of my mind in all of this latest foolishness is the little encounter I had with ‘Dr Jin sub-wanter’ a week ago. I talked to BAF about it privately over last weekend, but that brief encounter just made my troll alarm bells go off all over the place. And low and behold, what was she on about but what a terrible job C-jeS was doing for JYJ! Hmmmmmm….. what a coincidence! Sure enough, she showed up, jumped in and said all her criticisms right off the bat, got super defensive and personal when I took exception to what she said and then *poof!* disappeared again. If that isn’t classic troll behavior that we’ve seen over and over again here, I don’t know what is.
So MY suspicious and cynical mind is seeing an overall correlation among all of these occurrences. SoMEone is once again stirring the pot, engaging people to agitate, whispering in the “Onlys” ears and causing dissension and Twitter-mayhem.
Let’s all calm down and NOT fall for it.
@lilibaiyu To that person, I had an extensive discussion with her, and did not agree with many of her points. She also agreed did not with many of mine. But her description of Korean fans qualms was accurate. I do not like seeing fan divisions either…..but she validated her points with many examples when I asked her to.
I do not know about her disappearing, nor do I have a personal connection with her, but can we please stop calling random fans who decide to post their opinions strongly on some issues ‘trolls’. What I have recognized on JYJ3 is that there are far more lurkers than there are posters. Those lurkers probably read posts too and have replies…..but just don’t feel the need to post. Even though they lurk, they still identify with the JYJ3 community and feel they are a part of it.
Concerning your point about the coincidental overlapping of the issues she brought forth and the twitter war. I was wondering about that too. It was very random and well matched. But, i did not see hatred in her post to any party. Either it was a random coincidence or she knew what was brewing on Korean fan forums and the complaints they had. I don’t think she planned it though.
@JJ=oxygen
“I do not know about her disappearing, nor do I have a personal connection with her, but can we please stop calling random fans who decide to post their opinions strongly on some issues ‘trolls’. ”
From my perspective: if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks – what would you suggest we call it?
I’m reasonably confident that I don’t throw around random accusations wildly, and I did carefully read her comments and thought the situation over. I also discussed the situation with a few friends whose perspective I trust.That was my conclusion. You may have a different conclusion. Since I know you and respect your opinion, I would certainly never have a problem with that, or with your right to post it.
@lilibaiyu I respect you opinion too ^^ I guess its something we just have to agree to disagree on. I guess, because I utilized so much energy in trying to change her opinion in the previous ODP with my long posts. I also found out that I learned a lot from her. I am always open to new points of view and learning experiences ^^ But that does not mean I am always right either.
@JJ=oxygen
“Concerning your point about the coincidental overlapping of the issues she brought forth and the twitter war. I was wondering about that too. It was very random and well matched. But, i did not see hatred in her post to any party. Either it was a random coincidence or she knew what was brewing on Korean fan forums and the complaints they had. I don’t think she planned it though.”
I’m going to butt in for just a moment. Since my VE Sister mentioned we had this conversation. Granted, not everyone who comes to the site comments. And it has been a real joy to see so many folks come back since the advent of ODP feature. I hope they stick around for the long haul.
But one thing I would like everyone to keep in mind…people who post with an agenda are not going to wave a sign or a flag and say…”Here I Am”, agenda in hand. I am probably going to sound like a broken record here. ORCHESTRATING chaos, disturbing the status quo, throwing things into a tizzy does not happen overnight, and as the song title goes, “The revolution will not be televised.” Those who are pushing this agenda will be very skillful. They’ve had long practice and lots of support and resources. They are not rank amateurs. This is not the first, nor will it be the last time this happens.
For as long as JYJ have been on their own, from day one, there has been a concerted effort to derail everything they achieve. I respect everyone’s right to their opinion, but I cannot stress this enough…buying into the chaotic frenzy that erupts is just what the doctor ordered.
Anyone on any given day can fall victim to a ruse. Happens to each us at one point or another. But the stakes are very high in this case. Once this decision comes down, watch and see what unfolds. If we thought the gloves were off before, they will really come off then.
This is no longer about losing a court decision, this is, and has become personal. The desire to derail and ruin JYJ will take on epic proportions. They pose a threat to the entire kpop music industry and SME in particular. If they were to fall flat on their faces, or degroup, this would please LSM/SME/cohorts to no end. This fandom should not under any circumstances give these vipers the time of day.
I will continue to say this. PLEASE WATCH THE TIMING of each and every outbreak of nonsense that occurs. I can’t stress this enough. Everyone, the choice is yours. Do not let these snakes get even an inch of crawl space.
PEACE
@lilibaiyu @pheonexiaJJ am i the only one who felt she’s not just a newcomer? i felt like she’s been around in this site before, not regularly but on several occasions, only with different id all the time. i personally like that she brought up some issues on k-fandom, because i never heard that in jyj3.
@noiha
“@lilibaiyu @pheonexiaJJ am i the only one who felt she’s not just a newcomer? i felt like she’s been around in this site before, not regularly but on several occasions, only with different id all the time.”
You are NOT the first person to have said this exact same thing to me, trust me, that is: “I seem to find similarities to other
here-today, gone-tomorrow posters.” The issues that she brought up are things that would instantly cause dissent among fans. The K-fans among us will feel insulted, attacked and defensive. The i-fans will feel marginalized and utterly forgotten. The J-fans will feel misunderstood and unfairly stigmatized. Where in all of that is the up-side? What exactly are we supposed to do with the information except get angry and start arguing for “our side.”
If this was all a terrible misunderstanding and coincidence, I will apologize. Except in this fandom, I don’t really believe in coincidence.
@Baffie, @Lili, @JJ=oxygen, @noiha
I have to respectfully say that I agree with @JJ=oxygen. I did not get the sense of maliciousness from @Dr Jin sub-wanter that I usually get with real trolls, just a strong sense of frustration with the status quo. She made commentary about specific shortcomings but also offered some things that could be done to address those shortcomings. I got a strong sense of frustration with a number of things from her, not just with CJES but with “the Korean way” as well. So overall, I did not get the feeling from her that she was trying to hatefully bash JYJ/CJES, just that she wanted to call attention to certain points. And the timing can’t really be complained about. It was the first ODP. She posted fairly close to the start of it, as did many of us who shy away from GAPP these days.
Also, both via the examples she gave as well as from other sources, I find that I am in agreement with a lot of the deficiencies of CJES that she pointed out. They do favour J-fans overall, they did make a lot of the decisions that she mentioned (the japanese-only website for tickets, etc etc) that I can see as having the potential to cause dissention in the fandom, they really don’t seem to understand fully how global JYJ’s popularity is (if they did every damn video they make would have at least english subs on it!). Does that mean I hate CJES? HELL NO! Does that mean I don’t support CJES? Again, HELL NO! But it does mean that I feel there are things that CJES needs to work on to improve the situation. Many times when I read stuff about what goes on, I wonder how aware they (both CJES and JYJ) are of things. Do they KNOW what is resulting from their marketing decisions? And there have been a number of times that I have shaken my head and thought that it seems they don’t get it. And that kind of makes me want to help rectify that situation.
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I hope this mini-rant makes sense. It’s been a long day and a longer week and I’m pretty tired right now, but did feel the need to add in my two cents.
@springbok7
just to drop by and say that i’m fully agree with you. esp regarding this one “And in regards to the comment about someone taking exception and poof disappearing, I’m sorry but it’s not the first time that I’ve seen someone try to cast light on some darker issues and been bashed on and then no longer post. Why should they if they are going to be attacked, get called names, and/or be put down just because they are raising their concerns?” — i’ve noticed that all along. we’ve all experienced from album sales (someone speak up that it’s a fact that jyj album isn’t sold well digitally and that rookie girl group did better than them, and he/she got bashed), from cjes’ decision regarding fans’ activities (someone speak up about cjes being too upright, and it’s a very annoying discussion for already established group, and he/she got bashed), and many more occasions where saying something different will eventually lead to a group bashing. on @DRJSWL behalf, i always felt that her, and other similar people like her, always watching this site but not commenting regularly because they felt hesitant to point up something different and getting flacks because of that. i didn’t always stood in the same stance with them (but mostly i did), but hey, what’s wrong with different stances. i personally felt that this odp is not necessary, that we can have what we all left in gapp before. but now, with odp when people can actually really rise something not so good, i hope all those people who left with bitter feeling can come back and share their concern again.
and it is, of course, different from some people who can’t read this site as “jyj” followed by “3″ behind, not 5 and not 1.
@Springbok7
“And in regards to the comment about someone taking exception and poof disappearing, I’m sorry but it’s not the first time that I’ve seen someone try to cast light on some darker issues and been bashed on and then no longer post. Why should they if they are going to be attacked, get called names, and/or be put down just because they are raising their concerns?”
Excuse me, my friend, but I really really have to take exception to your statement that I “bashed on or attacked” that person. It was she, I believe, who became unnecessarily defensive with me after I merely disagreed with her post. (You know, sort of like what you are doing to me right now…)
@Baffie
Work’s going better. I’m being a good girl and steering clear (or putting a timer on it) of certain site-reading
so that’s helping. Hope you are doing better, your allergies were giving you a hard time iirc. Hate that, just glad that I’m able to use meds to control mine.
“No offense to those who prefer a constant stream of spazzing, but there are other things in this world. ”
HAHA yeah, it’s “not my style” (to put it mildly). I’m a woman in a happy, 17-year marriage, I don’t feel the need to drown myself in that stream. They are good looking, they are adorkable, but they aren’t my hubby so…. =P (plus they’re the same age as my nieces and nephews which def gives me a bit of an EW factor if I were to even ~try~ thinking about them in that light)
“When you go somewhere new…..”
(I’m quoting this bit but I’m replying to the four paragraphs since they tie together.
See, sometimes that is part of what annoys me, that people assume someone is “new” just cause they don’t post, and that they don’t “know the lay of the land” and just start dumping. It’s not necessarily the case. I’m thinking of one case in particular, the woman was around JYJ3 longer than I, never posted because she knew how people who point out flaws get treated, and finally one day was tired enough of the misunderstandings generated by cultural interpretations of translations, and said something. She got put down and belittled and snarked at exactly as she had foreseen that she would. She told me it wasn’t worth it for her to try and correct people’s misunderstandings if she was going to be treated like that. For all I know she still lurks, I haven’t communicated with her for several months, but I know she never ever posted again after that incident. And frankly speaking I don’t blame her.
This isn’t about being suspicious or keeping trolls out. It’s about being a little more respectful and not having this knee-jerk reaction. I’m sorry but I do see a lot of it here. Within a certain range of opinions people tend to say “ok we agree to disagree”, but if a person is even a little bit outside that range, they get dumped on, and there isn’t any reason to do that if the person is not being rude or confrontational or a nasty piece of work. It makes US look bad.
@Lili
Ah but, my friend
, you didn’t “merely disagree with her post.” You accused her of making “inflammatory statements, and highly censorious of C-jeS”. After she took exception to that, you basically accused her of having an agenda with the implication being that she was a troll for SoMeone. That’s why I said she was “attacked and bashed on”.
The tone I got from your first post was that you thought she was stating a lot of opinions based on supposition and not on fact, but a lot of the things ARE based on facts. I could list several of them, but I think I’ve already done so above. The reason I agreed with her was precisely because I have seen that stuff before, heck we all have cause there have been posts about several of the items here on JYJ3. So she’s not making it up. Her frustration with those items is obviously her own emotional (aka opinion) reaction to the items, but that doesn’t change the underlying items that she is reacting to. They still happened, and she was correct in her descriptions of them. Reading her reply to your post I def see that she was offended by your phrasing and took exception to it. I can’t say I blame her because I didn’t like it either and thought you were too harsh.
Bluntly speaking, just because CJES has made a decision, or just because JYJ has made a decision, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a good decision. They are human, and are perfectly capable of screwing stuff up and making mistakes. Recognizing that fact and being willing to try and help them correct their less-than-ideal decisions is what a true supporter who wants them to succeed and have happy fans should do. Saying “C-jeS acts at the direction of the members of JYJ and not the other way around. So what C-jeS directs is decided by the members and as such, I feel moved to support them” implies that they can do no wrong, and that is just not true. I think it is GOOD that people within South Korea and/or Japan are willing to say “hey this is what I see happening around me”, and also “This is what I think might help”. We aren’t there, we don’t know how the culture is, not really, and getting a close-up perspective is great. But we aren’t going to be getting that perspective if the first thing that happens when someone plucks up the courage to say something is that they are told that they are making inflammatory statements and trying to stir up trouble. We may have to agree to disagree on this subject, but I hope you can see where I’m coming from.
@Springbok7
It saddens me that I find I disagree with you so completely and wholeheartedly on such a wide variety of issues. Naturally you are free to communicate with C-jeS your opinions re: their many errors in judgement (if I remember Dr Jin sub-wanter’s list correctly) and how they have let you down as a fan of JYJ. Other than doing that, I really fail to see the POINT of all of this. Just idle venting?? Whom does that serve and whom does it benefit??
For I promise the final time, I’ll reiterate what I’ve said previously: JYJ does not need this right now, the timing couldn’t be more wrong, C-jeS doesn’t deserve it, they have acted against all odds with heroic fortitude throughout the last 2 years. So please at least consider supporting JYJ without complaint a little longer, I’m sure we all hope that the end of their struggles is at hand.
I understand that sometimes what we say are not good to the understanding of others, but I feel everyone has the right to say what is in their mind and it can be talked about in a good manner but certain chooses to use the rude way. Demeaning a person has its casualties, I will never see in good eyes at a person that uses such low tactics to reason things out. I’m a newcomer and have once in a while been put in a spot, but I’m still around, though I feel that there’s favoritism with some that have been here for a long time, not all but a few ones that don’t welcome the new ones and make them feel like an outcast that are in a territory that is not up to their level, not even giving them a chance of trying to get to them better just to make sure if they are been accused wrongly. I love jYJ and support them but won’t be in a place for long where disrespect is at hand every time I write something that those that don’t approve chooses to demean me instead of figuring things out to where my thoughts are on a certain topic, like on my first OD someone accused me wrongly of it been all on SM side like I was an anti jYJ, which made me mad but I chose to clarify it instead of getting into an argument with the confused one. I feel that respect and getting to know someone is what is needed here instead of bashing on someone, accusing them of what they are not and calling them improper names!
@lilibaiyu
Regardless to you comment of ‘Dr Jin sub-wanter’
I can confirm you that she isn’t a new member in JYJ3. She just changed her username.
Please I don’t want to hear more accusations on public.
If you have suspicious of certain fan, then please send us an email to jyj3official@yahoo.com.
Thank you!
@daebaksma
“JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) love and respect each other very much.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) work hard as individuals and JYJ with the resources/market that they have at this moment in time.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) can stand strong as a group and as individuals.
JYJ (JunSu/YooChun/JaeJoong) love and respect all the support fans show them as individuals and as a group.
Everything else is NOISE that we chose to make because we have nothing else better to do.
All these SQUABBLES have nothing to do with the boys; it’s our perception/delusions that we project on them, and then we go around blaming them for our own disappointments. Yuck, we should better grow up, ne?
Little more need be said than this, as far as I’m concerned. These periodic shit-fits that the K-fans and “one member onlys” have are just a mystery to me. Don’t they KNOW, above all else, how much the members love, support and depend on one another??
@ lilibaiyu
Right on^^, take a step back and observe, there we have it, who will have a huge benefit from all this chaos…. the sm, sm’s sycophants and their minions.
Yep! I’m agree with your instinct.^^
They sure put a saboteur in our ODP as soon as news come out, But there are also gullible followers, so now I am watching K-pop fans drama >.<
@butterfliesarefree2
IA , SM’s game is manipulation. There will be news about the lawsuit on June 19 as someone updates their cases few days ago.
I’m been shaking my head throughout this page wondering WHY we have to keep going through the same shit every few months? This thread gave me a few good answers.
@daebadsama: This idea of ownership of the men and their activities or the way they act, IT IS CREEPING ME OUT.
@butterfliesarefree2: When you key in the nature of the Asian fandom market and how it was created and why, this is not that much of a stretch. Couple this with a growing younger populated fandom, it’s almost like putting a match to a fire rocket. Off it goes!
@PheonixiaJJ: Adding on to this….I think the biggest problem fans have right now is that they think JYJ are indeed ‘babies’ who cannot take care of themselves. When in fact they are at the age to make their own babies.
Thank you, ladies. I might have more to say about this later but I need to think about it a bit.
Oh dear, and here I thought you would be smart and avoid the entire mess!
But I’ll look forward to your comments anyway. Take care my JYJ3 sister.
Believe me, that was my first instinct, but there are too many smart people saying interesting things. And that pesky “why” keeps calling to me. (My mother hates the word. I was That Kid.
)
This is probably only tangentially relevant, but given the type of drama going on here I can’t help thinking about Gloria Steinem’s comments about hitting menopause. She basically said that she found it wonderful to be free from the tyranny of her hormones. I went looking for the actual quote, which I didn’t find, but I found this one instead:
“Once we give up searching for approval we often find it easier to earn respect.”― Gloria Steinem
Maybe not as tangential as I thought.
Ditto. Quite frankly, I’m at a loss in all this. I don’t really care who gets what job, as long as it’s supporting them as artists. The idea that people are getting so wrapped about this is quite … OVERWHELMING? Surprising? In some way INSANE? Hell, if not for this discussion thread, I wouldn’t even know about this whole ‘fan war’ going on. I’m only a few years younger than them [jyj] and what I know of the industry is not from experience. But these guys have a more than half their lives of experience in the field. Why create such a huge banter over something so … out of our page of knowledge? At least in the western side of the world. Korean and Asian fandom in general is perhaps rooted in cultural values and CONFLICTS. But that’s an even longer debate for another day.
What confuses me in either western and eastern fandom is the idea of OWNERSHIP over these celebrities, like @daebadsama said, it’s CREEPY as hell! And the fact that this even has to be said is creeping me out even more. I feel like this discussion is about, for the lack of a better term, ‘real’ people? Real in the sense that JYJ are people that fans personally know. Which to me is absolutely ridiculous. As fans we see the artists, the personas. That is, constructed images [based whatever part of real reality]. But we never get to see the whole celebrity as whole. Like with anyone we don’t know personally. So why judge JYJ/CJES with such personally biased intentions? Again, I’m dumbfounded.
Korean and Asian fandom in general is perhaps rooted in cultural values and CONFLICTS. But that’s an even longer debate for another day.
That is one of the directions my thoughts were heading about why K-pop fandoms seem to be so…incendiary. But I’ve decided to shelve the topic for another week. Probably another few weeks
Yeah. It’s a very long and complex topic. I think what makes it an even more valuable point of discussion is that ‘Asian fandom’ is not just an issue relevant to the youth of Asia but also to much older audiences. It’s definitely worth a look.
@daebaksama
Right on Unnie!!
wtf fanwars?? …this is just some anti fans taking advantage of the situation and using social media to make JYJ look bad … after “sasaeng fans” all I can say is “I Found Some Fans Really scary” … and i find Discussing about this types of situation is just waste of time only making it look a “big issue” .. REAL FANS will “ALWAYS” STAY BY THEIR SIDE whether there is 1 or 3 on the stage.
JYJ (JEJUNG/YUCHUN/JUNSU) FOREVER
i’m not feeding myself from other fansites (don’t have the luxury of time) that’s why i’m sticking it out on this site. i’m passive too on the lack or absence of negative/critique posts, the pros and cons i leave up to the thrust of the admins, anyway, to cool and balance is always tough for this huge diversity.
for now, what i will believe most is the spirit and brotherhood of JaeChunSu, that no amount of intrigue and jealousy will break their faith in each other. for them to fall apart in ways similar to how they broke as five will be more devastating to happen. i wish them intelligent choices in their joint career but solo activities/projects are also for growth and maturity as an artist. i want to cherish them as JYJ. But for some reality, if they do part someday i hope for reasons bittersweet rosey or thoughtful life crossroads.
“for now, what i will believe most is the spirit and brotherhood of JaeChunSu, that no amount of intrigue and jealousy will break their faith in each other. for them to fall apart in ways similar to how they broke as five will be more devastating to happen.”
… this boys have gone through many ups and downs in their life n they always stayed by their side helping and supporting each other .
this is the main point
in my view .. no its not my view its a TRUTH that after TVXQ issue … they became more closer .. these SOLO activities will only make them/help JYJ grow … and each member are supporting each other … JYJ will always be JYJ theirs no way they could apart from each other.
i agree with you. the spirit and the brotherhood of JaeChunSu that we should keep in mind.
guys.pls help me out..
wats going on…
wats is dis all about..
i dont knw anything about all d rumor about cjes and jyj spclly d one tlking about all d bashing on jaejoong..
guys ..:-(
read up above, there’s a link pointed by few people here that can explain it to you.
thnxxxx.
I think Jyj have enough BS going on right now to deal with all this fanwars which I belive now they showed their true colors, won’t be a part of all this because it goes against them. I stay true to my admiration for them and I believe they care about each other and not even for a second will hurt each other, the only ones that are hurting them are this type of ridiculous acts and the ones instead of been supportive fans to the 3, are showing what a bunch of hipocrites they are. I hope this won’t affect them at all and will remain strong like they have been all this time until they achieve what they have been fighting all this time, love respect and freedom for their work! I won’t blame them if one of this days they decide to delete their tweeter just to stay away from all this pitiful acts against them and believe me when I say that now more then ever they will watch their back because they won’t know who to trust anymore!
This is the announcement from Park Yoochun Fan Union.
There is no mention of any other member… sorely issue on YC. So there is no need for fanwars really.
http://m.dcinside.com/view.php?id=pyc&no=111270&page=1&bbs=
2) Regarding anti & malicious rumor elimination.
“Also, slanderous remarks on PYC “within the fandom” to divide JYJ fandom will be captured and C-JeS will handle them. ”
If that isn’t the most galling thing I have read today I don’t know what is. Oh sure you are going to screen capture the remarks calling you out for starting rumors for Cjes to take actions against something your yourselves set into motion. How noble and big of you, by all means continue on with your righteousness.
@ mojochunnie
Reading that statement has my blood boiling. And when I think about the reasons they even asked Cjes those things makes me want to… They didn’t have to mention anyone’s names. Like I said in the post below the rumors were spread within YC Korean fandom before that statement was made. They already had heard them, and would not share it with any JJ or Junsu fans so we would know what they were talking about exactly. I know because some JYJ fans were asking them point blank what was going on. I’m going to say it again screw them.
I see the same chunsas spreading the rumors and bashing jaejoong, then they use this announcement like they are the victims? really? arent many of the sites that signed known for being antis? not only yoochun supporters but antis of the others?
And where did you get this infomation from. And after reading this info did you see anyone “bashing” JJ? No. So why do you want to see scars where there’s none.
Actually, lol I was on my tline pretty much all day yesterday watching this issue. It was indeed all over tline and it did start from some YC fans. Of course they did not outright say so-and-so is a moron etc.
They were hinting at it so strongly and they kept DMing each other while talking publicly about how unfair it was YC had to reject CF’s because of the group or one member. And then after that it was not difficult to hear from some KFans what really was happening in the Korean acgae Yoochun sites. And what those ’1 member fans’ claimed.
So no it was never publicly said on twitter…..but it was suggested…..and after research it was not difficult to reach a conclusion on what they were talking about.
And the saddest thing was…..after JJ fans blew up (which was sad and I wish it didn’t happen) and started blaming CJes and acgae fans…….the YC fans on my tline were all quiet. And then a day later they came back with this announcement.
I also want to state that I have found out from a Kfan that many Kfans have screen-capped posts on these PYC ackgae sites and are already forwarding them to CJes. So please….don’t act like PYC fans are the sole victims of all this BS or are guilt free.
Oh I’m sure both sides are totally guilty. I did not see who started what and who framed who and from where it started. And I’m sure some Jaeharems are seeking answers and resolution from c-jes just like some Chunsas already has. However what I know is this; From this website alone and on this post specifically, only Jae fans (some of them not all) are doing the bashing and the blaming and the guilt-tripping, whiles I hear/see none of that from Chunsas. That alone tells me alot. And from the last Chunsa website I went, this is what the admin posted before translating the “announcement” (posted by someone already):
“6002 Sky would like to stay rational and neutral in this controversy. We post this translation here not because we want you guys to involve, take side or attack any specific individual or group. We only hope there would be no more misunderstanding caused by some individuals or groups on Twitter recently which aims to attack a specific party without evident. Please be considerate and rational when it comes to sensitive matters. Before you spread or help to spread anything that may harm innocent people or parties, make sure the information has reliable proofs.” This tells me a lot.
@loveunchanged
1.) “Oh I’m sure both sides are totally guilty.”
Nope both sides are not totally guilty
2.) “I did not see who started what and who framed who and from where it started.”
But we did, its already been found out.
3.) “And I’m sure some Jaeharems are seeking answers and resolution from c-jes just like some Chunsas already has.”
We sure are like why YC’s manager was potentially even speaking on something Cjes or Monica should have handled.
4.) “However what I know is this; From this website alone and on this post specifically, only Jae fans (some of them not all) are doing the bashing and the blaming and the guilt-tripping, whiles I hear/see none of that from Chunsas. That alone tells me a lot.”
That’s because it was mostly targeted at Jae, and they are rightly blaming the ones responsible for the rumor to begin with. I don’t know of what guilt tripping you speak of. If anybody feells guilty about what occured then hopefully they think next time about their actions and how it would affect others. What it tells me is that they knew they were playing with fire because they refused to tell others what they were discussing and instead shared the rumor with themselves. It tells me that they know that they messed up and is just trying to duck any sort of criticism. It tells me what crummy people they are that after throwing the bomb they are trying to hide their hands behind their backs.
5.) “And from the last Chunsa website I went, this is what the admin posted before translating the “announcement” (posted by someone already):
“6002 Sky would like to stay rational and neutral in this controversy. We post this translation here not because we want you guys to involve, take side or attack any specific individual or group. We only hope there would be no more misunderstanding caused by some individuals or groups on Twitter recently which aims to attack a specific party without evident. Please be considerate and rational when it comes to sensitive matters. Before you spread or help to spread anything that may harm innocent people or parties, make sure the information has reliable proofs.” This tells me a lot.”
I stand behind my opinion that the announcement was Bulls**t, because of the circumstances surrounding how it came about and what it is responding to.
And I’m sure after you reread every answer you’ve given me you’ll understand what I meant in my comments.
I’ll verify what JJ=oxygen (@PheonixiaJJ) said… it was happening on my tline too just as described.
sorry im late but as eveyone have already tell you: this was started by some yoochun sites. I saw plenity of times the same chunsas that bash jaejoong before spreding their information just as JJ=oxygen have said
I have seen them and im sure plenity of people too, bash jaejoong
there are scars, and that is why you see jaejoong fans here speaking up
Ok so from what I’ve gathered, this is the situation with the fandoms.
Somehow, Yuchun fans got the idea that JJ was being given CFs that were intended for Yuchun. Now Yuchun only fans believe that the CFs were not offered to Yuchun and that CJeS decided to only offer to JJ in order to help increase his public profile. This sounds crazy to me but who knows what happened and I don’t think we will ever find out on this score.
So in response to this situation, Yuchun only sites contacted CJeS and demanded an explanation. Supposedly, Yuchun’s manager confirmed the above situation and said he also did like what was happening. Now, Yuchun’s current manager is relatively new, the one that was with him for a very long time has been promoted within CJeS. So it might be possible that his rookie manager did do something like this but I don’t think it’s very likely and there has been no proof of the managers statement.
Now in response to the alleged response from CJeS, JJ only fans decided to contact CJeS and demand an apology and retraction and some sort of punishment for the manager of these events that haven’t even been confirmed to be true. They believe the events give the impression of a bad character for JJ. They are also hurt that they have contacted CJeS before with complaints and no one has ever responded to them, so because someone said on a Yuchun only site that there was a response from CJeS, the JJ only sites are taking it as gospel.
This really seems to be a complaint against alleged actions by CJeS and I don’t see how this reflects poorly on either JJ or Yuchun. This sort if thing seems to happen periodically, like the NR ads. I’m not really sure why JJ only fans and Yuchun only fans seem to have so much turmoil against the other.
I’m breaking this down b/c people here seem to curious but I don’t think this is relavent to the fans on this site. Yes there are biases here but it’s ultimately a love fest for all three of the boys. So take this with a grain of salt and don’t let it get you down cause these things happen in every fandom of every group.
so, yoochun fans with Supposedly inside information were blaming jaejoong.
JJ fansites are asking CJES to do something about it.
well if yoochun fans bash JJ but they get the official response form cjes while JJ sites who are the victim dont get anyanswer… I would be mad.
Did cjes corrected the rumors about Jaejoong? if not, what a big fail. If they did not is almost like saying that the rumors are true, which could damage JJ image.
Is that what you really got from the comment above? Really? Wow! I’m speechless.
is basically what she is saying:
first paragraph, what chunsas with Supposedly inside info blame Jaejoong for the supposedly cancelation of yoochun cfs.
second paragraph chunsas supposedly contact cjes and cjes said that is true.
third paragraph JJ sites are hurt they tried to contact cjes before, were ignored, now they contact cjes again to demand an apology for what they said to the chunsas (said in the paragraph above). They demand an apology because if they said the rumors are true (or did not said the rumors are false) they damage JJ image.
Now, the bashing is not in her comment but is well know it was happening in chinese and korean, and in some english twitters but very vage.
if the ones creating and spreding the rumors, meaning the chunsas, just as she said in her first paragraph, get the response as she said in the second, wouldnt it be understandable how jaejoong sites feel hurt and demand an apology? in the end it was jaejoong the one getting hurt by the rumors.
LOL. Either you need schooling or I need schooling on the English language.
@loveunchanged
@Selia’s reading comprehension is just fine thank you. That post is easy to understand and she just broke it down to the basics. There is nothing wrong with her understanding of English either. I think that was a very rude thing to say. If you don’t want to believe this is what happened even thought there are many reports that state the events unfolding the same way by all means do so. But don’t try to belittle her for not eating what you are serving when you yourself admit you didn’t know what happened.
Tsk tsk tsk, aigoo…tsk *shakes head*.
@Selia
No. Please read again. She said that someone posted on a Yoochun-only site that CJeS replied to the Chunsas so Jae-fans got angry because they have made complaints in the past and CJeS never responded to them. She wrote “…so because someone said on a Yuchun only site that there was a response from CJeS, the JJ only sites are taking it as gospel.”
KEYWORDS: Someone said, NOT “CJeS posted on their site” or “directly contacted an admin”; in other words there is no proof that CJeS ever replied to the Chunsas who contacted them. Some of the Jae-fans have taken this person’s comments as FACT. (Not the ones with some brain-cells in their heads of course) but some Jae-fans believe this.
SOME of these Jae-fans are angry because if CJeS really did reply to the chunsas (again, IF, there is no proof that they did, only a random comment on a Yuchun-only site) then that means that the rumors that SOME Chunsas started about Jaejoong being given Yochun’s CF’s is PROBABLY true then that is supposedly very insulting to Jae (being given the “leftovers” per se)
I don’t believe any of this bullshit. I think some Chunsas went on a rampage based on an assumption (like some Jae-fans are doing now) and then played the victim card when they got called out. Wouldn’t be the first time in K-POP LAND that a bunch of idiots do this and then hide their hands. I think there is also one other potential explanation IF CJeS did indeed contact some of these Chunsas; legal action against them for spreading libel against one of their artists (Jae or maybe Junsu too). Hence Jaejoong fans would not be contacted or at least not first anyway.
Ladies, I think both of you are guilty of mixing up these hysterical moo-cows with the rest of the fandom. I’ve read some of your earlier comments and they are tinged with assumptions about the other fans and a bit of smug pride about your own fan-groups as if idiots like these couldn’t POSSIBLY be Yoochun fans or Jaejoong fans. REALITY: Yes. These idiots are also fans and ruin it for the rest of us. I’m Jaejoong biased however I recognize that there are many insufferable Jaejoong only fans and I’ve seen some asshat Yoochun-only fans and Junsu-only fans too. I don’t let these people define the rest of the fans but it seems that that is what you guys are almost doing. Not quite but the hints are there.
@retrokim
that is why I used the word “supposedly” and “if”
I do think is possible Chunsas can get in touch with CJeS pretty easy but i wouldnt take the word of anti fans that easily.
I dont think the rumors chunsas started are true either
I do think CjeS should be a LOT more professional and in case they see this happening, if Chunsas are liying and they never got in contact with cjes or cjes didnt said anyhting that chunsas are saying they did, cjes shoould speak up and said it and not stay in silence and let the fandom get all those ugly rumors around
I do know is not all chunsas, thou i write it and generalize, since it was translate by chunsas english side, chinse and korean and the union of yoochun fansites.
Dont worry, i also do know there are crazy jj yc and js fans, just like the ones who blame yoochun for this mess. Truth in this fandom, and in all fandom there are a lot of crazy fans, no fandom is a saint.
@jaeftw
thank you <3
there is no way this rumor be true ! just think about it , rumor began with one person , who ? they said they heard about it before contacting cjes for answer ! so how this person new about it ? one more thing , why you think every one from every site can contact a company and take this kind of info from them when the company is aware that this kind of rumor can brings fan war and damage the artists image . i dont believe it’s true . its just some assumption from some idiot fans who has no life !
Pretty much. And here is another gist. From: http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/post/24733238561/fanwar-between-yoochun-and-jaejoong-fans-plus-the
Fanwar between Yoochun and Jaejoong fans plus the protest
I had this information in a previous post but I decided to move it here given that there are some updates.
I was informed by a Chunsa herself that 8 to 10 fansites for Yoochun contacted C-JeS directly for their rejection of Yoochun’s CFs. Many “1 member only” fans, or in this case “Acgaes” are now calling Jaejoong selfish and blaming him for the CFs being called off. Why? Apparently, some of the CFs were given to Jaejoong rather than Yoochun. The acgaes are claiming that it is thanks to Yoochun that Jaejoong will be able to appear in the CFs and that it is unfair that Jaejoong take them from YC.
The acgaes are also complaining that C-JeS rejected certain offers for more group related CFs. The acgaes blame BOTH Junsu and Jaejoong but most of the anger was fueled toward Jaejoong with acgaes saying he is jealous of YC or again, that he is simply being selfish. Jaejoong is the Hyung of JYJ but the responsibility for all JYJ activities does not lie solely with him. Once again I will say, whatever it is that happened with the CFs, Yoochun and C-JeS likely came to a decision or an agreement. I will repeat once more, some K-fans said that Yoochun was the one that decided not to do the CFs. So it is all very unclear as to what actually happened.
There are rumors that YC’s manager may be involved (rumored to be the source where the information came from) but seriously, just because a K-fan says, “I spoke with the manager” doesn’t mean you can believe it especially not when the fan comes from an Acgae site. K-fans should not be taken for their every word just because they live in the same country as JYJ. IF Yoochun’s manager is proven to be involved, it will be horrible since he helps manage all of JYJ. The Chunsa I spoke to on Twitter says that many other sites dedicated to Yoochun did NOT agree with the action taken by the other 8 or 10 sites, however, when they spoke out against the 8 or 10 sites, they were accused by them of not being YC’s true fans.
Lastly, JFU, Jaejoong Fan Union, has declared a protest against C-JeS and the Yoochun fan sites that have bashed Jaejoong and JYJ.
The note to Jaejoong fans:
Dear Jaejoong fans,
As you might know by now, rumors defaming Jaejoong were manufactured and circulated yesterday by fans of another member and C-jes.
Over the years, we have sent written several inquiries to C-jes. The inquiries were not protests based on informations from a C-jes insider, nor demands to adjust JYJ schedules to Jaejoong’s solo activities. We just asked C-jes to correct and avoid repetition of its mistakes in management-related things. Still, we have never received sincere replies about our questions.
However, even though the protests by YC fandom did not have concrete grounds, C-jes immediately responded through communication and, in the process, tarnished Jaejoong’s reputation.
When fans of one member openly produced rumors and targeted blames on Jaejoong, C-jes, Jaejoong’s management agency, had to make strict postures to correct the situation. However, C-jes acknowledged and sided with those fans. Therefore, Jaejoong Fan Union of domestic and overseas fans will demand C-jes for the punishment and open apologies regarding the responsible employee(s).
cr. @HEROSE1
ADDED:
After speaking with fellow Jaejoong fans, their main reason for being upset with C-JeS is due to the quick response C-JeS had in addressing the issues by Yoochun’s fansites and accepting the appeal made by Yoochun’s fan union. They believe that in C-JeS accepting the appeal made by Yoochun’s fandom, the company reinforced the rumors related to Jaejoong (that he took or “stole” Yoochun’s CFs). They would like for C-JeS to make an apology for their silence and for not quickly stopping the further spread of the rumors or slander toward Jaejoong.
NOTE: The term “ACGAE” is used in reference to fans of only one member that bash the remaining members of the group. It is important to say this because all members of JYJ have acgaes.
Let’s call it what it is… a bunch of people sticking their noses where they don’t belong, making a lot of accusations and demands they have no business making and then posturing to sidestep the blame for the chaos they’ve created.
Does it just not occur to anyone that when an agency is approached by a company requesting the use one of their celebrities in a CF and that particular celebrity has an overbooked schedule already, the smartest thing that agency can do is try to keep the account by offering the services of another celebrity they manage.
All three members of JYJ are very attractive spokespeople, but right now it is obvious that Yuchun is the one most companies are requesting to represent them. There’s absolutely no way he can deal with all of them *PLUS* he also has to be careful that he doesn’t “over-exposed” himself with all these endorsements because it can deflate his credibility as a sincere spokesman and make him look like he would sell his soul to make a buck.
What do you do? Well… if you’re any kind of decent agency, you don’t let that opportunity walk out the door… you try to nail the account and keep it in-house. Sure… maybe they didn’t get their first choice but they still are getting someone with the “sell” factor they need.
This is called taking care of business.
These so-called fans need to grow up, start using their brains better and quit bleeding out their hearts and going ballistic over things they’ve blown way out of proportion to justify their own self-serving purposes.
I don’t know why some fans have this overbearing sense of self-entitlement where they think they can demand explanations for these business decisions. That announcement they made, the first question that came to my mind was how come CJeS even bothered to respond to them. Now I wondered if it was an official response or just the fans talking with a staff. We don’t even know if all he said was verified or did they really post all that he said?
What is really annoying now is the “see what they said about us and JJ/YC! It’s so unfair!” mentality all around. Both sides had some fans who were guilty of bashing, when someone else rants about them, don’t take it so personally when you didn’t do it.
Thank You! A++++++
However, may I ask, is there concrete proof that CJeS responded to these sites?
The Jae-only sites say yes but no one else. I’m sorry to bug but is this true?
@dbullock
HALLELUJAH!! Some common sense at last.
@dbullock
“Does it just not occur to anyone that when an agency is approached by a company requesting the use one of their celebrities in a CF and that particular celebrity has an overbooked schedule already, the smartest thing that agency can do is try to keep the account by offering the services of another celebrity they manage.”
That’s what *I* said! lol I think you are exactly right. Now THAT makes sense for a business to do! Is it really that the “One Guy Only” fandoms are so immature and unaware of how business is done that they don’t know things like this??
Hrm, well the point of that whole thing was to say yes there’s a fan war going on, it happens time to time. I’ve heard some fans call one member an ugly duckling and some fans call another member scar face and some fans call another beak nose. Hate happens and it’s ugly and disheartening but we cannot control the thoughts/feelings/words of other people. I quantify those individuals as not fans of JYJ and since this is a JYJ fan site, I don’t really see the issue for this site. Why are people getting upset and accusatory to fans with various biases on THIS site? It’s nice to discuss things here openly and rationally but I don’t understand bringing hate and anger here since the fanwar between to individual fan unions have nothing to do with a JYJ fan site.
Exactly! I don’t get this either. Those people are mentally deranged so why are fans here defending or accusing them? They have no lives other than to spread chaos. Seriously who the hell is that up in someone’s else’s life? Being a “fan” is no excuse. If Yoochun does or doesn’t take a CF that is his f*****g business not theirs. Do these loons think they are JYJ’s mommies or something? What freaks!
You know what, at first I was like everyone calm down and wait, this could be untrue and bashing cjes and asking for firings is not going to help.
But after listening to the responses and posts, forget that. I’m changing my mind. I’m happy JFU issued the Announcement.
That was an unsubstantiated made up rumor, and I don’t care that it came from someone else in the fandom of one of the members. Just because it came from an YC fan, we as Jae biased fans are supposed to take it. If this same rumor had come from outside of the fandom everyone would be up in arms asking them to prove it, and calling them out on their bulls**t. But because they are from someone from the inside we are just supposed to ignore it. That makes no sense, and I refuse to play that game.
JFU had every right to issue a statement in the defense of Jae and to call out the ones who created the rumor. What they did was irresponsible and a cowardly thing to do. This thing was going around for a couple of days before it broke. YC fans were circulating it amongst each other and refusing to tell others what it was about. And now that it has come out into the open they are trying to deflect attention away from their cowardly, mean, and obnoxious actions to Jae’s fan site for daring to take issue with them. Well excuse me for not sweeping your ridiculous behavior under the rug. Should we just allow them to make up anything they want and not react? Do you really think stuff like that can go on and JJ or Junsu’s fans won’t get mad about it?
They didn’t just insult Jaejoong. They said Junsu as well. They treated Jae as a threat and Junsu as an ugly stepchild no one wants to play with and that should be locked up in the attic. Just because Jaejoong is agreeing to do CF’s now they can’t handle the fact that YC is not the only one doing solo CF’s anymore. This is all about fear and the fact that this is one more thing they can’t brag on YC for, because he won’t be the only one. It is a known fact that whenever Jaejoong tweets a selca whatever he is wearing sells out. We have seen it countless times over and over again. I mean the selling power of Jaejoong is so ridiculous a key chain that he has is in such high demand that it took years to get it in stock again. Which is why it has gotten to the point that fans were questioning why he and Junsu don’t do them, considering that it is also known that all of the boys get offers for CF’s. That was mentioned last year when they were discussing that group survey some Advertising professionals were doing.
So screw them. I’m not going to pretend to be buddy buddy with someone bashing Jaejoong or Junsu just to make YC look good. I am not fake; a punch in the face is a punch in the face, no matter who does the punching it hurts. They had a right to say what they did and JFU had a right to respond.
Whether fan or foe if you are going to make crap up about Jaejoong and Junsu be prepared to face the consequences, and no amount of hiding behind the JYJ fandom name is going to excuse it.
this is what i has always been to say.
thank you for defending Jae! my heart hurts for him…
Me too.
It was needed. The ones who did wrong, bashed and started rumors where those anti fans sites. Those are the one we should be mad about,
And as JYJ fans we should be the ones deffending JJ (and JYJ) agains them, not the ones looking to the other side.
The only problem I had with the JFU statement was that they were bashing C-Jes directly. I KNOW and everyone else does too that CJes has many problems. But by bashing CJes collectively and publicly at that level is not something I condone. CJes is not as large and powerful as everyone seems to think they are.
If CJes decides to stop working with JYJ (even though JYJ is their main source of income) and JYJ agrees because of the drama fans are creating AGAIN against the staff members that JYJ themselves chose to hire and get close to……who the hell is going to work with JYJ? JYJ DOES NOT have that many options….
And fans like to conveniently forget that they (CJes/JYJ) are blocked in so many prospects.
The rest I agree with. Those fans who started the rumors and drama need to be punished. This is the only way ackgaes will be controlled. Or they will just get worse.
I think this was a situation where cjes injected themselves into it, so of course they have to be the ones to settle it. We fans complain about a lot of things we want that frankly cjes doesn’t have the manpower to fill. But those stay on the fan sites as wishes and not much else.
This is a different animal all together, because it is being claimed to have come from a manager. All it would take is for cjes to release a statement explaining what occurred if this was a misunderstanding, or taking action. But someone stepped in it and they have to scrap the crap off of their shoes before they start tracking it through the house.
@jaeftw
I don’t know about anybody else, but if I was C-jeS I would NEVER respond to provocations or demands brought on by fanwars, rumor and innuendo. Ever. That’s giving this stuff credibility and why on earth would they want to do that when we should ALL know that this fanwar was stirred up to make more trouble for JYJ because the Other Side thinks things are going too well for them.
WHY give the antis what they want, wherever they originate from?? You gotta look at the big picture for a moment. Then you’ll see the folly in all of this back and forth arguing about who did what. I believe in the brotherhood of the members and that they are each other’s biggest fans. Period. All of this other crap….. it’s a set-up and a manipulation and I’m not buying it.
@lilibaiyu I agree with you. But, beyondmonica was already up till 3am trying to pacify angry fans TT____TT on twitter.
I think Kfans just combusted on many different issues they had kept silent on at once. First it was the fanmeet, then it was stupid CF deals.
It does make me wonder though if this was planned at a higher level. Fans always seem to go into a state of chaos when a hearing is close by or JYJ members are meeting some other type of success.
@JJ=oxygen
“It does make me wonder though if this was planned at a higher level. Fans always seem to go into a state of chaos when a hearing is close by or JYJ members are meeting some other type of success.”
Yes, and I just don’t think we can discount that factor for A MOMENT. We have been through so much in this fandom in the last 2 years. We have seen so much — the lengths to which SM and its sympathizers have gone to to derail the careers of JYJ in any way they can think of. We are getting down to the wire here with this court case. My suspicious mind screams “Beware! SM is at the eleventh hour and must do something, anything to hurt JYJ because they are pathological and they will lose this case as sure as anything!” So really, anything that happens now… I refuse to blink. Litigation is a big poker game played for huge stakes. Let’s be poker-faced until the verdict is read.
@lilibaiyu
I really like this post. ^^ I agree, we all have to keep our eyes on the real enemy……especially since the trail date is coming soon for BOTH Avex and SME. I am actually worried and kind of frightened to see what else they will pull out of their magical-hats in attempting to tarnish JYJ’s reputation again. The last saessang incident one was really bad….and they only really survived because they are JYJ and have already made such a ig name for themselves. If it was a rookie or middling group they would have gone already.
As a long time fan since SME era. If CJES is wrong, they deserves to be call out. I’m tired of taking it all in. Taking it all in is what happened with SME taking advantage of my bias. CJES is a company, I’m not a fan of company. If said company is not trying to improve their business after 3 years, then they deserves all the criticisms. And CJES rather improve in the past year, they went back 5 steps. And is now even more incompetent than last year.
i’m curious, is this manager guy really do that? i mean, it’s solely based on fan’s testimony right? maybe what he was said stirred by the fans unconsciously, maybe there’s a misunderstanding, etc. idk if they have proof of manager/c-jes staff’s wrongdoing, but if they don’t, dragging c-jes staff into the public statement is quiet mean.
This is exactly my point. The only people saying they are in constant contact with the manager of YC are the YC ackgae galls. I don’t even know if those people are trustworthy. If I don’t hear a tape-recording of the conversation…..I am sorry but I am not going to believe it easily.
But, CJes does need to post an explanation especially if those fans were lying. Otherwise, who knows what other ackgae sites are going to lie next……=_____=
maybe not exactly lying, but words can be stirred up unconsciously. yeah, we need c-jes to clear up all this matter. imo, for jyj’s future, it’d best for cjes to not keep contact with only 1 member fansite (what i mean is, not just yoochun fansite, but also jaejoong and junsu, and even if it’s hard, try to treat them as equal as possible), or don’t keep contact AT ALL, only reply to us when it’s necessary.
the respective manager must felt very stressed right now. aigoo.
This is why I didn’t get why you initially asked to stop what JFU is doing. I don’t find any problem in their actions to stand up for Jaejoong. Yes, those are just rumors, but many didn’t treat them as mere groundless rumors. The bashing and slander Jaejoong’s had to go through are real. Why does he have to suffer from all that shit just because some “1 member only” fans are jealous and butt-hurt about things they shouldn’t stick their noses into? If those fans didn’t start all this mess, nothing would have ticked Jaejoong’s fans off. I found the YC Fan union’s announcement above pretty ridiculous. If they actually cared about JYJ and didn’t want a division in JYJ fandom, why would they start any rumor at all? I don’t think JFU bashed anyone in their announcement. After all, they only demand C-JeS to clear up the matter and Jae’s name.
@Angie
“If they actually cared about JYJ and didn’t want a division in JYJ fandom, why would they start any rumor at all? I don’t think JFU bashed anyone in their announcement. After all, they only demand C-JeS to clear up the matter and Jae’s name.”
But if you step back and look carefully at the LARGER picture, and you see that this whole war of rumors and ill-feeling is ridiculous misdirection, then, why on earth would C-jeS want to wade in and get involved with it? If they, quite correctly it seems to me, smell a big rat in the form of a few people doing SM’s dirty work under the cloak of internet anonymity as butterfliesarefree has alluded too, why would they want to dignify it with further attention, which would mean they actually take it seriously? Because “the fans want them to??” That’s the tippy top of a precipitous slippery slope if you ask me…
Oh my gosh, your voice of sanity keeps my head from exploding! Thanks!
My goodness, a rational mind. Thank you.
After hearing about this nonsense, at first I thought not to even get involved, because the absurdity of the situation is way too much. Seriously, people are tearing apart what we have worked so hard to build and what JYJ have cried and sweated blood for, over RUMORS. Over she said, he said. Really! What I am most disappointed about is that those who should know better, do better and rein people that are going overboard in, are also participating and encouraging the madness. Shame on everyone involved.
I can’t imagine why SME would want to get involved when these selfish idiots do such a wonderful job of starting shit and the rest of the sheeple go along. I think it is tempting to allude to SME but doing so makes it easy to oversee how fans are also to blame for letting things get out of hand. Yes, it is very easy to get angry and start acting like a self-righteous nut but who cleans up the mess when it is all done? Whose reputation is damaged? Not the Jae-fans, not the Chunsas (who remain more or less anonymous) but rather Jaejoong and Yoochun. Yes, they are grown men who can handle themselves but that doesn’t mean that the moronic crap going on right now doesn’t infuriate and embarrass them too. We all know that Yoochun is very loved and right now pretty popular. We also know that Junsu and Jaejoong hold their own quite nicely. I’m pretty sure JYJ knows this even better than I but I can also imagine that Jaejoong is NOT going to just shrug this away or pretend that these people’s actions aren’t hurtful and cruel.
There are plenty of selfish idiots. They existed during OT5 and continue to plague the two new groups that formed. I’ve been around other fandoms too and this ALWAYS happens. It isn’t SME. It is the structure and nature of the obsessive fandoms. I’m sure SME jumps for joy when this happens but that doesn’t mean that they always play a hand. Sometimes there is no larger picture. These creepy-ass people who identify with JYJ or a specific member of JYJ are OBSESSED. That has NOTHING to do with “caring”. They don’t give a shit if they hurt others or even the object of their obsession. Same with the sasaengs. This is not as common in the west but it has happened before (John Lennon anyone? That was a “fan”, an obsessed fan. Didn’t quite stop him now did it?)
I’m not trying to scare anyone or allude that such a horrible thing will repeat itself but rather that we as a fandom must fight the influence these “fans” have over other fans. To hell with SME. They aren’t the priority here. The fandom is. If we let this continue, scandal after scandal will erupt. How can we pretend to be of help to JYJ if we can’t even weed out these fools or at least THINK before we act. This union of Jae-fans are also jumping to conclusions. I can’t side with them because they are insulting CJeS and demanding an apology based on some assumption that surged from a freaking RUMOR started by only-fans who are notorious for bad-mouthing anyone that isn’t their “oppa”. Come on people!!!!
I get what you say, but if cjes let people use their name in their official statments like this chunsas they should take some responsability
more so if what is being siad is untrue
at least they should say is we did no tmake any officail announcment about any of the rumors going around
but when they remind silient and they let people use their name they are making a big mistake from what i see
the thing is, right now, we dont really know if cjes did or did not talk to the chunsas. Some will belive they did and they will use it as ground to bash jj
if you call then and tell them cjes never officailly said anything, cjes never denied it either
that is dangerous
@Selia
I pray C-JeS will NOT issue any statement. Why? Because with an official statement, regardless what will be written inside, this stupid rumors and fanwars between a few acgae fangroups will enter korean (and international) press and get REAL. As other mentioned, other fandoms start to get aware of this, it makes us a laughting stock in their eyes. I can ´t imagine if this stupid accusations between YC- and JJ-fans and c-jes would go official, I would die because of the embarrasment. But most importantly, it would tarnish their reputation in the eyes of general public, that means to loose cf-deals!!! In k-pop and Korea generally, a good name is everything.
@Selia
“at least they should say is we did no tmake any officail announcment about any of the rumors going around”
My feeling is that these considerations for what C-jeS should and should not do are moot. It is not going to do any of us any good to spend time imagining the correct way in which they conduct themselves. We are OUT of that particular loop, our vote doesn’t count, let’s be real.
As far as the fanwar and the actual reasons for the fan war, again, I think the whole premise is simply ridiculous. Chunnie can do whatever he likes with the offers he receives. If he doesn’t want to do the CFs, if Jaejoong does, so what? What’s the problem? These guys are brothers, they LOVE each other. Why wouldn’t it be OK with them to keep the work in-house, among the artists C-jeS represents? What’s been going on among the “One Guy Only” fandoms over this is just madness, in my opinion.
@lilibaiyu
I know my vote doesnt count, im just giving my opinion. i do have the right to have an opinion and i dont have to agree to all cjes does, i left the sheep mentality with SM when i moved with JYJ
as I said I feel the fact that cjes let people use their name that way is pretty dangerous and if this was another situation im sure people wouldnt be so condesending.
people are kind of saying something on behalf of cjes, i dont think is too much to ask that cjes say something.
adressing the issue in a responsable way is what companies do when faced with hard situations and cjes have said in the past to take care of malicious rumors by fans, how is this any different?
@ruber
the thing is I dont belive rumors like the ones that have been going around are stupid. I take them as serious as the rumors from Hotels and they can be just as damaging.
ignoring something is not always the best way to go, just like we are vocal when it comes to the injustice jyj face no matter if other fandos call us whinnes.
it is shameful that jyj fadom has so many inside wars, but it doesnt mean that those rumors created inside the fanwars are any less harmfull than those that come from the outside like hotels.
@Selia
“i dont think is too much to ask that cjes say something. adressing the issue in a responsable way is what companies do when faced with hard situations and cjes have said in the past to take care of malicious rumors by fans, how is this any different?”
Yes, I do understand your point. I’m just saying that if C-jeS do choose to remain silent here, then they do think it’s too much to ask.
Keep in mind too that sometimes is seems prudent not to dignify a crazy non-issue that has been blown up out of all proportion (like this one) with a response. Personally, I think it’s better to let this particular blaze die out from lack of oxygen.
@jaeftw
Thanks for calling a spade a spade.
Somepeople just refuse to see exactly where the problem lies and are up in arms without logically looking at the situation.
No one bash YC, what JFU did was only targeting those who create bad rumors about Jae. So what’s anybody’s problem if you’re not the one doing it?!! Guilty much?
Just because you stan one member gives you the privilege to bash another? What nonsense!
As long as you bash Jae, you’re an anti. Simple as that!
THIS!
@jaeftw
“just to make Yuchun look good”
See this is where I think fans are going astray. Why are people making this about Yuchun and JJ and Junsu? Make Yuchun look good? Yuchun has nothing to do with the silliness of fans.
You say you are upset that SOME Chunsas are making JJ look bad, but you’re okay if Yuchun looks bad in retaliation? Makes no sense to me. And if this isn’t what you intended to express then I hope you see how words said in the heat of the moment can lead to the misunderstandings.
We shouldn’t be bringing JYJ into this at all, this is a dispute between fans and the only ones looking bad are the fans themselves. JYJ have done nothing but show love and support for each other.
mkverse
“We shouldn’t be bringing JYJ into this at all, this is a dispute between fans and the only ones looking bad are the fans themselves. JYJ have done nothing but show love and support for each other.”
Soooo true. JYJ only love and support one another. This whole recent mess is totally fan-driven and I’m sure it grieves them terribly. How people who are a grievance to them can call themselves “true fans” is beyond me. It’s just wrong. Tearing JYJ apart with all of this here say and innuendo is being a devoted fan?? You have GOT to be kidding me.
i really dont know who my bais is but these rumors are disgusting ! i’m their fan from 2007 and a jyjer from the start and and unlike many of fans here i’m quite familiar with other groups fandom . in these years i found out 2 things : first jj is the member who usually other member’s fans rumor about and bash for no reason , second jyj fandom is most torn fandom out there Because of its one member fans . and i hate it . other groups do individual projects too so why just our fandom has this kind of BS ? i’m really disappoint !
@shana
You have the same name as my daughter, so i already like you!!
We are torn apart, we are battered, we are bruised black and blue, but the fandom of JYJ is NOT giving up! That’s what I want to focus on. None of us are going anywhere.
We may fight, but we are family.
And we have a common love – the members of JYJ. Now all we have to do is to find a way to re-unite for the good of the members because we KNOW that that is what they would want us to do.
I used to have the same opinion. That despite everything, we are one. But what is going on now, and what has been building up slowly over the past few months, suggests this might no longer be the case. People have allowed pettiness and jealousy to overrule their sense of decency and loyalty to the JYJ brand.
True. Stop it jyj lovers. All three have their own strengths and weaknesses. Let’s just love them anyway. “Together we stand, devided we fall.” it’s enough that we are at war with sme, avex, mbc or whoever. But not amongst ourselves. Anyway, fandoms are created for the benefit of the idol not for the fans themselves. This chaos will only hurt the boys whom we want to protect.
thank you @lilibaiyu . actually i’m a silent reader in this site for 2 years , but sometimes this kind of thing really bother me ! i’m a really busy university student but every night i’m visiting here and read all the comments , i become happy when you (other fans) are happy , i become sad when you are sad . i’m attach to this family and not going to leave it . because here is only place that can distract my Troubled mind . i just want peace
That is not really true. JYJ’s situation is exacerbated because they are unlike other groups. They hire their management not the other way around. It is more tempting for trolls to start shit because the “logic” goes that if JYJ hires CJes then that means they are ultimately responsible for anything that happens, not CJeS. This puts more tension on common squabbles between immature fans. Of course which troll could resist from taking advantage?
The rest is actually very common. The most peaceful fandoms are of rookie groups but once they hit that mark something almost always starts. It is indeed more common for fanwars to be between different groups but it can also happen between a group. I think that possibly because JYJ formed by breaking off from a previous group that it suggests to the less than faithful that it could happen again. Also it might be possible that because fans believe that JYJ have even more of a choice than they did under SME that if they fail to stay afloat it means something is “wrong” with them or that they are dragging down the rest of the group + the constant cockblocking and voila. Not an excuse for their behavior though. They are quite the wimps actually. They could afford to emulate the members they claim to love so much.
Im a jae biased cause i love him.. 101%. YC and JS, 100%. Yeah, i love them ALMOST equally for years. So when Yoochun got the spotlight (highly praised actor, CFs, etc.) im so happy and proud for him cause he deserves it all. Same with Junsu in his musicals.The fact that my biased got fewer attention than the other members never came into my mind. I was like, maybe he was making music or preparing for his new project, etc.. but I never felt bad for the amount of attention he gets. He has a say to his schedules/projects now so im thinking that maybe it was also his decisions, not CJes alone. And i support the members decisions. I wont feel bad if JJ’s CFs will be given to YC or JS. I mean, i’d rather want them to have those than other idols. I really dont mind, as long as they are enjoying their job and their life. They are JYJ after all, just one group. But i think the 1 member fans wont understand this. The bashing and the rumors… *sigh* I just heard of them. It was really unnecessary. And I cant understand why this is happening. Just hoping that these issues wont reach the members. It would be extremely awful if that happens.
@✖BitterSweetNightmare✖
i have exactly the same sentiments as you
Love your post and I agree
MTE. Although I’m Jaejoong biased, I’d laugh and cry with Yoochun’s drama, squeal when watching fancams of Junsu’s concert. I feel proud when YooSu get praised and recognized for the work they’ve done. I admit sometimes I think Jaejoong didn’t get enough attention, not only from public, but also from his agency. I’d want him to have a solo album or a solo CF too. But those are only my fangirl wistful thoughts. They don’t actually bother me or make me think bad about the other 2 members, especially when I know Jaejoong loves his 2 brothers with all his heart. I don’t expect 1 member only fans to have to love the other 2 as well, but at least respect them and don’t do reckless things to damage JYJ. If bad thing happens to the group, surely each member will be affected too.
@Angie
” I don’t expect 1 member only fans to have to love the other 2 as well, but at least respect them and don’t do reckless things to damage JYJ. If bad thing happens to the group, surely each member will be affected too.”
That’s my feeling too. Hurting any one of them through hateful comments must make the other 2 despair. I really believe this is true.
For me, even though I say Jaejoong is my bias (and I do believe he is) I also cheer wildly for the other two.
I cheer for every one of Chunnie’s triumphs because I know the hardships and sadness he suffered as a kid growing up in a broken home, in a strange land, and my honest feeling about him today is that there is no pinnacle of fame or success that he does not richly deserve. Every time I see him accept an award I think of that poor, language challenged kid in (was it South Carolina?) miserable and cut off from his homeplace and my heart breaks and then mends again at how he is today– confident, powerful, in demand. *siiiigh* Karma is great sometimes.
With Junsu: he has also had his trials and tribulations. His set-backs and terrible disappointments. He has also borne the brunt of much malignant gossip about his family, their various interests and their supposed undue influence on him. Here is my take on Junsu –this young man has a genius, once in a lifetime vocal instrument. He is by far the greatest of the “idol singers” in S. Korea. He is certainly JYJ’s Secret Weapon, which is to say, “when all else goes wrong, bring out Junsu. He will save you.” There is little doubt in my mind how much the two other members of JYJ revere him and are in awe of his talents. One only has to listen to the song that Jaejoong wrote for him, “No Gain”, to see that he gave his best song so far to his brother and said, “Fly to the highest heights with this song! I wrote it for you.” Junsu is a talent like few others. He could go solo, permanently, tomorrow and never look back. The fact that he loves and relies on his brothers in JYJ is a testament to how strong their bond is.
And as for Jaejoong… well, what can I say that i have not already said so many times. He is a force of nature, a stunning creature seemingly from another world, a wonderful songwriter, a unique and immediately identifiable singer (I think a close second to Smoky Robinson) he is arguably the Most Beautiful Man In Asia, he is… Jaejoong. That name should be, at this point, synonymous with star-quality. He is so beautiful that sometimes he hurts the eyes to look at him. And as we know from being here on JYJ3, he has a heart of purest gold and the ability to love so deeply that one cannot see the bottom of his affection, most particularly for his fellow members. He is a precious jewel of a human being. How anyone can fail to notice this, to remark on it and be moved by it is beyond me.
@✖BitterSweetNightmare✖, I feel the same as you. If I have 100% of my love of JYJ, I suppose I give 33.33333% of that love to Junsu, 33.33333% of that love to Yuchun, and 33.33334% of that love to Jaejoong. Comes out just about bloody equal, doesn’t it?
The real problem aren’t the 1-member-fans, it’s the acgaes (hope I spelled that right), far as I can tell whereas “regular” 1-member-fans support one member without ill-feeling towards the other two, the acgaes are 1-member-fan-2-member-antis, they love only one member and actively dislike the other two. Which honestly makes me totally shake my head, how can you not want to support someone that your bias supports and considers a brother? no one is FORCING the men of JYJ to stay together, if they didn’t want to they could leave, so obviously they are CHOOSING to stay with the other two members…. so the attitude of the acgaes just boggles my mind. yet another facet of fandom that I’ll never understand.
I hope that this idiocy dies does quickly. I wish people would stop and THINK before mindlessly falling in with the mob mentality. Oxymoron, I know. I wish people would just respect the hard work of ALL THREE of the members of JYJ and pull their heads out of their asses and see the love and respect that each has for the other two. They have been through hell and made it back from Hades in one piece, still doing what they love. They managed to survive with the support of their fans, but if the fans keep doing this kind of crap, how will JYJ survive the next 3 years? People need to just STOP! Respect their effort, respect their brotherhood, respect their INDEPENDENCE and stop paying attention to stupid rumours and getting involved in even stupider fanwars. The only war we the fans of these three amazing men should be involved in should be against the enemies and blockers of JYJ, it should never be amongst ourselves. As we’ve seen here a few times already: “Together we stand, divided we fall”, but perhaps it’s better to say “Together we stand, divided JYJ falls”, because that is the sad truth.
Yes, indeed! I agree with you. Ohh~ Sorry, my mistake. Im not really familiar with them (1 member fans and acgaes). I thought they are the same. >_<
@springbok7
I am going to agree with a major point you make…
“The real problem aren’t the 1-member-fans, it’s the acgaes (hope I spelled that right), far as I can tell whereas “regular” 1-member-fans support one member without ill-feeling towards the other two, the acgaes are 1-member-fan-2-member-antis, they love only one member and actively dislike the other two.”
Separating the difference of the two groups is huge. Tarbrushing is a problem. However, I’m going to hold to my theory of orchestrating. Because the ‘acgaes’ could very well fall into this situation.
@Baffie
“Separating the difference of the two groups is huge. Tarbrushing is a problem.”
Exactly my thoughts as well. Not to belabour the issue, but people gotta understand the difference. There seem to be at least five distinct categories of fans (and I use the term ‘fan’ loosely in rank 4), listed in descending order:
1) JYJ fans
2) JYJ fans with one member biases
3) one member fans who are not against the other two
4) one member ‘fans’ who are two member antis (acgaes)
4) stalker ‘fans’ (saesangs)
I firmly believe that saesangs and acgaes are not real fans. I’ll never understand them or what makes them tick, and honestly in my utterly unbiased opinion =P I think they all belong in a psych ward!
“However, I’m going to hold to my theory of orchestrating. Because the ‘acgaes’ could very well fall into this situation.”
Actually, I agree with you on this issue. All it takes is one person registering on an acgae site and saying “hey lookie what I heard” and whoosh away the ‘”freight train of doom” goes, hurtling down the tracks, hell-bent on destroying what the members of JYJ have spent their blood, sweat and tears to build. I’d even go so far as to say that purely based on the fact that a person is a member of that category (acgae), it excludes them from being called “normal” or “rational”, so I’m not surprised that no fact-checking was done before the floodgates were opened. And the fact that the acgaes managed to peer pressure the rank 3 one-member fan sites into going along with some of their stuff by accusing them of not being “true fans” is just sad. I understand the mentality of the one-member fan sites, but it’s not any less sad because of that.
I hope cooler heads will prevail before lasting damage is done.
@kris
I disagree. Jae has already proven himself as a solo artist. All these things are happening because they see him as a threat for their favs. They are trying to tear him down from the height they don’t think he should be at. Like I said in a previous post this is a pattern in the fandom that only crops up when it’s jaejoong in the news being praised for whatever. There are always going to be people who don’t think he deserves to be where he is, or he shouldn’t have the amount of fans he has. The out crying of some fans about Jaejoong lacking is getting bigger, because Jaejoong himself as an all kill actor and artist is getting bigger. Whenever he is breaking new ground the drama starts up. It’s predictable and I don’t want it to change. Because that means he is growing as an artist and an actor and pushing out of that box “hint pretty face” some people want him to stay in. Jaejoong stopped being just a pretty face when he opened his mouth to sing on their first stage. And he forever stopped being a pretty face when he wrote his first song. From composing songs, directing concerts, to Acting in movies and Drama’s he has exceeded expectations and kept growing with each project.
What kills me is that Junsu and YC put so much faith in Jaejoong to get things done, that it’s ridiculous for people to question it. The respect they gave his abilities to direct some of the concerts last year was par for the course for JYJ as a group.
All of this is so unnecessary and I’m not going to preface my compliments to Jae on a job well done with…Ofcourse he isn’t as good as_________ but. That’s stupid, and I’m not going to do it.
@jaeftw
I am Jae bias too and i have strong faith in the JYJ brotherhood. I share the same observations with you, its the same old pattern with Jae, that is why i feel more for him and i actually trust all his decisions. I believe his expansions as an artist are wise investments for him given their situation in SK now and their future survival. Actually i trust JYJ’s decision to do solo projects right now. it’s a wise more on their parts. The fans are just creating the mess.
wise move – i mean
@jaeftw
What you said about Jae is all true, yes he has proven himself as a solo artist long way before, but do other so called fans acknowledge that ? Maybe yes maybe not .
Since they became JYJ, I had so many questions in my mind on how Jae’s solo career was unfolding, but I just kept that within me for I was and still am just seeing the surface, I don’t know what’s happening behind the camera. Since last year I was expecting for his solo CF’s, and now when finally he’ll have one (as rumored) , it’s already tainted, not because of his own merit, but thank to YC for declining it so it’s given to Jaejoong or thank to Cjes for giving him a chance to finally get a CF, and that really stirs me, really?
That’s why I wish Jae could learn from Junsu, I wish he could work for himself this time. I love Jaejoong The Singer the most and I believe everything he does is for his love of his music. He work really hard to become an actor for his music.
But sadly, some fans consider him as the weaker link in JYJ. That’s why I want him to go solo first like Junsu before they return to JYJ though I’m not certain that will change some fans perspective on him.
@kris
“But sadly, some fans consider him as the weaker link in JYJ. That’s why I want him to go solo first like Junsu before they return to JYJ though I’m not certain that will change some fans perspective on him.”
Really??? The “weaker link?” Well, this its the first I’ve EVER heard of it and I’ve been around for a while now and not only on the “All Rainbows And Unicorns ” JYJ3 site (that was a joke, just so ya know…)
@lili
I think that’s not only a joke but a blasphemy, but that’s the sad truth, of course JYJ3 is cleansed with that.
Rumor is just rumor, but there’s also a saying that when there’s smoke, there’s fire.
just an example : “K-fans found out that some CFs given to Yoochun were rejected. Some K-fans say that it was YC himself that rejected the CFs citing reasons that he needed to “Rest.” Rumor also has it that Jaejoong was given some of the CF’s that Yoochun was supposed to star in. ”
So if ever in the coming days we’ll see a long dreamed Jaejoong CF, it’s all thanks to YC for rejecting some offers, if he didn’t, Jae could have none. Well, this is not a gospel truth but just a rumor. But random stalking in some sites and twitter gives me chills on how some people within the fandom have a nerve to look down and accused him of anything under the sun.
@kris
Yes, I guess you’re right… it just literally does not compute in my brain how anybody could come up with that in the first place except for that unconscious jealousy/threatened factor I mentioned before. When it’s westerners I usually chalk it up to people being uncomfortable with a man who is far more integrated in his masculine and feminine sides than they are,as Jae is.
As for the CF fiasco, I remember reading here recently that Yuchun currently gets 3 or 4 “love calls” from advertisers a DAY wanting him to do commercials. Now obviously, if he were to do all of them the over-exposure factor would be disastrous for him! I mean really really bad! So OBVIOUSLY he’s going to need to turn most of them down in order to protect his credibility as a celebrity not to mention as an artist. What, I ask you, is so damn wrong about the CFs then being offered to Jaejoong??? Honestly, I just don’t get it…
I feel so sad too that many fans don’t acknowledge JJ’s worth to this day. While I see JJ fans (mostly the ones I follow) constantly praising YC and Junsu too in their endeavors.
About the CF thing…..I was thinking the exact same thing. I would rather fans know he got the CF’s based on his own merit and not because of a ‘pity calls’ TT_____TT
Oh my baby….how I love…….but it frustrates me so much that people cannot give you credit for what you deserve.
Most of the hate JJ gets……..its because of his popularity and because his fans are willing to go the extra mile to support him with fan projects. After seeing all the successful projects PrinceJJ just did…..I knew something like this would eventually happen…..
@JJ=oxygen
“Most of the hate JJ gets……..its because of his popularity and because his fans are willing to go the extra mile to support him with fan projects. After seeing all the successful projects PrinceJJ just did…..I knew something like this would eventually happen…..”
OOOHH. *holding head* Asian fandoms! If I live to be 100 I will probably NEVER get used to wars they wage. We have nothing like them here in the U.S. This is a completely unknown cultural idiosyncracy, in my experience. If only they could see how hurtful they are to the members… well, to the “other-biases” maybe that wouldn’t even make any difference to them…
@lilibaiyu
Hey………have you umm….ever stumbled onto a Brangelina-Aniston fanwar? I have. Grown ass (mostly AMERICAN) women are fighting back and forth over a relationship that seized to be YEARS ago. All these people assuming the most moronic shit, spreading lies about Aniston or Jolie. So and so was rumored to have said from a “close” source that so and so did this or said that or blah blah blah and it is taken as if it were a fact.
The lives of the British Royal family. You wouldn’t believe the number of sites! All full of nasty gossip. Princess Kate is a gold-digger and Prince William was madly in love with a blonde socialite but settled for Kate who threw away a decade of her life so she could be royalty. They criticize the way she dresses, anything she says and Prince William is also bashed and of course there is a group who “defends” them. Immature, brain-dead vapid morons are immature, brain-dead vapid morons. Poison spreads beyond any race or culture.
@retrokim
“Hey………have you umm….ever stumbled onto a Brangelina-Aniston fanwar? I have. Grown ass (mostly AMERICAN) women are fighting back and forth over a relationship that seized to be YEARS ago. ”
No kidding – really?? Well, I’ll take your word for it. Anniston and Jolie, huh? Geez… that’s just kinda sad. lol JYJ’s is the first online community I’ve felt moved to join. And you’re right, I was wrong to be saying “Asians only” engage in these crazy fanwars. But you gotta admit – they do get to be JUST a bit over-the-top. (oops, there I go again.) Having said that, probably nobody of my particular tint loves Asia and Asians more then I do, so there’s that too.
yes….um….I don’t want you to think that I, you know……”hang out”….in those kinds of places. I used to get my daily news from Yahoo! I know……..really stupid especially since those people are the American version of AllKpop. They are just nasty and the news is almost always some shallow, lame attempt at investigative news. Anytime that something about those aforementioned celebrities pops up…hell breaks loose. It is at times kind of funny. But then I think about how obsessed they are with Aniston’s love life and Brad’s “cheating ways” even though this happened years ago and both moved on with their lives….I don’t find it so funny anymore. Like the 0T5′s who can’t let go. These two were MARRIED and that didn’t mean a damn thing but somehow some OT5s think this is different….can’t say I agree but well…
@retrokim
“yes….um….I don’t want you to think that I, you know……”hang out”….in those kinds of places. I used to get my daily news from Yahoo! I know……..really stupid especially since those people are the American version of AllKpop.”
I look at other forums in the U.S. once in a while and usually beat a hasty retreat the minute I get to the comments section. I don’t really follow U.S. celebs at all so I guess I’m saved from this particular form of stupidity. I guess it’s different strokes for different folks though… Probably all of them would be scratching their heads at my little JYJ addiction as well.
“Jaejoong stopped being just a pretty face when he opened his mouth to sing on their first stage. And he forever stopped being a pretty face when he wrote his first song”
@jaeftw I just had to get out of lurk mode to say this statement of yours…..How can I give it the million stars I wish to? Oh, and I quoted you on twtr if that’s ok w/ you.
I have headache,I know some problem is happening but when i wake up this morning fanwar happened??? I don’t know why but whatever happened with YC it end up having war between chunsa & jaeherms Why?? LOL
I just laugh & stay away from twitter or spazz about other things,I don’t like to involve in problem I cannot get down to the base.
Is it start from rumor there are CF offers or not,if it is YC decision not to do it then that is it.does fans need to get involve?
that is the meaning of AKTF believe in the men,that is my motto with JYJ believe in jae,YC & js they are doing what they can out of blockage.
I just blame myself why am I in this crazy fandom thing,why am i suffering these headaches? I even try to think JYJ are not only talented artist around may be I should move on with my life.Well as usual I cannot move away from these 3 men yet so for now I am staying away from twitter.
@Zan
Yes, it seems as if Twitter can be a boon or a bust. Unfortunately, this is what anonymnity in cyberspace can produce…chaos. But I always say, what goes around, comes around. Like you…I will AKTF and believe in these young brothers. Thank goodness I don’t have a favorite.
@BAFfie
I DO have a favorite. Only problem is, it changes on an almost daily basis. lol
Above and beyond every other consideration though, I believe in the power and talent of JYJ. That will never change.
@BAF sis @ lilibaiyu sis hugs!!!
i have favourite but is not like my fav is the best,JYJ is what most important to me & like @lil sis fav change on daily basis,YC is my beloved gak,JS is my perfect musical star,Jae is my big bro oh jae I am drooling on kyung htak fighting scene now
“I DO have a favorite. Only problem is, it changes on an almost daily basis. lol”
Well now, with that kind of action, you must be getting dizzy by now!”
This is exactly what SM wants to see, and folks are giving them quite a show. But I too believe it will all prevail in the end.
@Zan
Hugs you back my young sister.
@lili HAHAHAH! Yeah, you put your playlist on “random” and whichever of the three is singing is your fav for that four minutes, right? LOL! i am RIGHT there with what you post just a little above this, i will never, ever understand the mentality of the asian fandoms. They just….. mind-bogglingly bizarre. I’ll never understand them, no matter how well I might understand a culture I’ll never understand that aspect of it. Frankly speaking, I fear for what it would say about ME if I DID understand them =P
As a JYJ fan not even a year old, I am quite upset to learn about these fan wars, to me is rather ridiculous and unnecessary “chaos”. It just simply SomeOne who started spreading rumour and created fan war yet dare to claim themselves are YC fans, I really doubt so, to me they are no others than SomeOne came with their own agenda want to ruin the fandom of JYJ! We have to be very clear that we do not have such “assets” to fight among ourselves. True JYJer would wish to see the growing of the JYJ fandom day by day and expand the JYJ territories instead of to sabotage it. Please give yourself a few second to ponder the hardship our boys have been gone through these years just to stand on the stage. I do agree as what jyj1214 has mentioned as a JYJers we should AKTF to JYJ, anyhow they are adults they know what they are doing please trust them is the wise decision they are making. We have to unite under one roof especially at this moment, we are still “fragile”. If you claim yourself as JYJ fans please keep supporting them either in their individual activity or in the group as a whole!
Sadly, that is what is happening. The rational fans are slowly moving away from the fandom and the brash overly dramatic fans are taking over. People forget that a vocal minority does not represent an entire group. Only in this Kpop world, do I see where the opinion or the actions of one individual is used to paint an entire group. So one Yoochun or Jaejoong or Junsu fan says something and suddenly it’s all Yoochun fans don’t like Jaejoong.
There is a difference between all and some. I wish more people would understand this.
@lisah “There is a difference between all and some” I hope people don’t use generalization too much
And who says all? I didn’t come to a comment which generalize? And who says it’s only one? The problem with your comment is that it’s pointing to Jaejoong fans, so they are now the overly dramatic? ” So one Yoochun or Jaejoong or Junsu fan says something and suddenly it’s all Yoochun fans don’t like Jaejoong. “
@kris
Nods nods
sometimes ignorance is bliss lol. i’ll also try to keep away from these negativities. its too much for me. i just want to happily spazz about them without worries^^ unless it seriously and directly involves the members themselves (which in this case, is not…heck i’m confident Jaejoong and Yoochun do not have a single clue WTH is going on)..
I can understand some i-Chunsas want to defend his fandom but you guys cant cover the sun with a finger
I don´t understand these Chunsas who said “but when you saw korean Chunsas bashing JJ?” ,”where?”, “show us” ,”these are a lies and slanders”
dear,if even Korean NORMAL Chunsas (no akgaes) are angry with the behavior of these phycho Chunsas who are blaming and bashing JJ in this time.
then…what are lies?
phycho chunsas even bashed these normal and friendly korean Chunsas
I read some i-Chunsas try to play the victim saying “nobody is bashing JJ,why JJ fandom are saying lies?” but then You read his messages they still insinuate YC sacrifice himself bcuz that “selfish Jaejoong” LOL
I know ,all the Chunsas are not like that but sadly there are many like that
JJ fandom is not doing a big problem only bcuz they want to do it .these psycho are attacking JJ
if YC´ manager never said “that” ..then clearly these psycho k-Chunsas invented that excuse to bash JJ (only for pleasure or envy)
if YC´ manager really give some info to these Chunsas..then this manager was really miserable, unprofessional and low
To All the JYJ fans no matter who your bias is or isn’t…
Remember, we all stumble, every one of us. That’s why it’s a comfort to go hand in hand. ~Emily Kimbrough
There’s one sad truth in life I’ve found
While journeying east and west -
The only folks we really wound
Are those we love the best.
We flatter those we scarcely know,
We please the fleeting guest,
And deal full many a thoughtless blow
To those who love us best.
~Ella Wheeler Wilcox
Don’t smother each other. No one can grow in the shade. ~Leo Buscaglia
Assumptions are the termites of relationships. ~Henry Winkler
Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind. “Pooh!” he whispered. “Yes, Piglet?” “Nothing,” said Piglet, taking Pooh’s paw. “I just wanted to be sure of you.” ~A.A. Milne
Are we not like two volumes of one book? ~Marceline Desbordes-Valmore
Basically, the only thing we need is a hand that rests on our own, that wishes it well, that sometimes guides us. ~Hector Bianciotti, Sans La Misericorde du Christ
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom. ~Marcel Proust
Never give up on someone you can’t go a day without thinking about. ~Author Unknown
Without a single thought, two hands collide and the world finally makes sense again. ~Kayla Dawn
Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for a while, leave footprints on our hearts, and we are never, ever the same. ~Flavia Weedn, Forever, © Flavia.com
No road is long with good company. ~Turkish Proverb
TO JAEJOONG, YOOCHUN, & JUNSU:
If fame were based on kindness instead of popularity, on understanding and not on worldwide attention, you would be the biggest celebrity on earth. And to my heart, you already are. ~Anonymous
Soul-mates are people who bring out the best in you. They are not perfect but are always perfect for you. ~Author Unknown
PEACE
honestly, I hate fanwar no less than SM..they both detroy the boys by their own way, they will detroy all the hard work, frienship, love, carreer which the boys, JJ, YC and JS build up by blood and tears … I ready hate…. CF or not or whatever why dont they trust the boys, let the boys due with their own job… what the boys need right now not about money, one or two CF but the strong helping and support from every one from in and out side for long term battle with stay and live wtih gone and disapear… look how the boys try to support each other from YC’s interview, JJ and JS tweeter..but fans both side just soo….. O_O ..sorry JYJ family ….I am MAD
this
@anva1
@jj+oxygen
THIS to you both! I always love Anva’s comments, she’s always so wise and in touch with the Bottom Line.
Thumbs up!
I know you are mad so I am giving you a cyber hug. Inhale, exhale. Things will pass…..
“what the boys need right now not about money, one or two CF but the strong helping and support from every one from in and out side for long term battle”
hells yeah!!!! count me in on the “long term support”!!!
agree with you
i personally think c-jes isn’t the best company around. i have my own complains towards them and we all, be it jyj fans or chunsa or jaeharem, have every right to complain. the thing is, sometimes thing is different in business perspective and on fans’ perspective. if fans are really want the best for the boys and keep complaining about every move by the company, they should just learn business themselves and join c-jes. c-jes won’t be able to satisfy everyone, no one can do that. i’m not saying we shouldn’t butt in at all because we have every right to criticize them, but sometimes, things aren’t meant to satisfy you all the time. take every chill pill the world offered to you and don’t jump into the conclusion with a mere rumor in your hand.
loved this sentence: “…if fans are really want the best for the boys and keep complaining about every move by the company, they should just learn business themselves and join c-jes”
I think it is okay for fans to discuss CJes’s problems when discussing it in a healthy manner. Actually, I would like this kind of comprehensive discussion to happen one day.
With the disagreements, wars, confusions going on and against each other in some JYJ Fandoms -whether collective or individual,
there are only TWO who are most happy and rejoicing with the division going on – SM and AVEX.
@jyj1214
“With the disagreements, wars, confusions going on and against each other in some JYJ Fandoms -whether collective or individual, there are only TWO who are most happy and rejoicing with the division going on – SM and AVEX.”
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true.
hi @jyj1214
Yes, those two must be happy and I’m not liking it.
As for me, I chose to ignore the issues because I will not gain anything. It is not good for the health and not good for JYJ too. I just focus on supporting the boys and enjoy what they’ve been doing. I hope rumormongers would rather place their energy on constructive projects.
@cakestar I don’t want to totally ignore the issues, but neither do I want to add fuel to a blaze. Jae, Chun, and Su, love and respect each other like blood brothers; I intend to follow their example, I agree with you about “supporting the boys and enjoy what they’ve been doing.” This is the best gift we can give JYJ right now
Exactly, I wish more people would understand this. Spreading our JYJ fandom’s dirty laundry all over twitter and so publicly. Who do you think is laughing and enjoying the madness? JYJ’s haters that’s who.
have same thought and so agree with you. that’s why i only believe JaeChunSu, ignoring rumors.
maybe that’s bad, but who knows people behind all the rumors are those TWO.
Poor JYJ
With fans like us (i.e. the Antis, the 1-member-bias-only-because-my-bias-has-superior-talent-and-should-have-gone-solo-or-at least-should-have-more-activities/exposure time-than-the-others etc.), seriously—who needs enemies?
A source of pride for me as a JYJ fan has always been the fact that our JYJ Republic is so multi-cultural, multi-faceted, educated and mature-intellectually when compared to most K-music fandoms out there comprised of giddy idolizing teenyboppers. Sure we spazz but many of us also do our research (because we refuse to be sheep blindly following where we are led), are intelligent, open-minded, tolerant of differing opinions and actually think before we speak/write/react. Hopefully.
Perhaps I gave us too much credit but I sincerely believe that this fandom is special and capable of sorting out the truth from all this “noise” that’s erupting. HOWEVER it began, at the end of the day it is still just “noise” (ugly but with some unproven facts, mind you) that is a hurtful and (suspiciously timely) divisive distraction to JYJ fandom’s solidarity.
Sadly because of our powerful emotional attachment, some of us have difficulty separating our hearts from our minds to clearly see through the red haze of rage over all the supposed rumored “slights” being dealt to our bias. Unfortunately all this is escalating the chaos and and widening any pre-existing rift within the fandom. The only thing it has NOT accomplished is effecting any help to JYJ either as group or individually.
When injustices occur (as we’ve all witnessed for the last 2+ years to JYJ), by all means DO seek out the truth and get out your ninja artillery (sword, frying pan, spatula, fishing rod, nunchak, katana, pen etc) to do the right thing. However when trolls are involved in the action, don’t be seduced into feeding them further. Instead be wise and save your energy for the REAL and IMPORTANT battles. Like the ones with SM or Avex.
Alone, Kim Jae Joong, Kim Junsu or Park Yoochun each individually poses little threat to SM or Avex. What these 2 companies truly fear are the independent successes achieved by the JYJ-unit AND their loyal fan-base
I’m not daunted by the unscrupulous machinations of all those outside agencies blocking JYJ since I believe these 3 young men (together & individually) possess more than enough talent and resilience to overcome whatever obstacles thrown at them. Plus, I’ve faith in the wheels of lady Karma however long that cycle takes.
The only thing I do fear is the threat from WITHIN our fandom—-the irrational baseless rumors, the sniping jabs and arguments etc all passionately carried out in the name of our biases that can and will erode the core foundation of our JYJ Republic.
Social media is the savior of JYJ because its the most influential conduit in expanding and uniting our JYJ fandom. However if misused, it can just as easily be the instrument of fragmenting and dismantling their powerful fan-base.
I love the banners for this site, especially the number 3 behind the word JYJ. As a fan with no bias (thank goodness!), I find that the most beautiful thing about them. And its with awe and genuine appreciation that I check into JYj3 everyday to get updates on their news, enjoy the spazzing and pore over the interesting comments left. Lately, work (& life) has kept me captive and too busy to comment (honestly, I write REAL slow). However, lurking here still feeds my soul and my brain (even critiques or opposing opinions make me think, reevaluate my perspective and help me grow/expand my horizons).
After all, aren’t we all drawn here connected by our mutual affinity for JYJ? Irregardless of our individual bias, shouldn’t our hearts be big enough to encompass all 3 of them?
Even the boys have always freely acknowledged that it is their unity that helped shore JYJ up (personally & emotionally) during their early darkest days after the lawsuits. So why are fans so ready to foolishly tear down what made them strong and gave them the integrity to weather all the external injustices?
Bottom-line : “United we stand, divided we fall”.
This old adage definitely applies to our JYJ fandom (by whatever name we are called or choose to call ourselves). Accordingly since the JYJ fandom is vital in their survival as musicians/artists, this precept will also apply to the future survival of JYJ (any and ALL 3 of them) in the industry.
I hope we all critically examine and exercise greater care in our roles when functioning as either individual-bias-only fans or fans of all 3 within the JYJ-Republic.
@livingfree1
Exactly, that’s what i am thinking too.
The only TWO who would benefit from all these fan wars are SM and AVEX,
In the end I am feeling sad for JYJ, because they work so hard, they hardly sleep or rest, in order to survive in the industry which unfortunately is not so kind to them.
SM and AVEX must be jumping with joy right now
Let’s trust JYJ and all the people helping them with their decisions and plans including C-Jes
They know better than anyone of us – seriously!
@livingfree1
I am giving you the BIGGEST CYBER HUG I can muster! THANK YOU! from the bottom of my heart!!
XOXOXO
You speak so much sense.
@livingfree1
I so enjoyed reading what you wrote. I am simpatico. I feel the way you feel. Thanks for what you said. [completely random note: you said you wrote "real slow." NOBODY types with more mistakes than me! Nobody! lol And one of my favorite K-artist/songwriters is nicknamed "Real Slow" - that's Wheesung. Don't know if you like him or not, but he's really great.]
@Lilibaiyu
“NOBODY types with more mistakes than me!”
Yes, there is someone who does, ME! My middle name is ‘Typos ‘R US!
@BAFfie
Sis, I should challenge you to a “typo-off”! Especially first thing in the morning, my posts before spell-check are a laff-riot of mis-spellings! Let’s go at it, sis… You’ll be lucky if you can even decipher any intelligible remark from one of mine! lol
ROFL! I simply refuse to cut my nails! They the huge contributors to my failings. Not to mention the fact that I’m either trying to rush a comment into place before leaving for work. Or, like now, I’m up past my bedtime! It’s 1:03 AM EDT here right now on the East Coast. Woozy headed from sleep and sinuses acting up. Hey, aren’t we a pair?!
“They the huge contributors to my failings.” Should be ‘are’…see!
HAHAH! The three of us can have a typo-off!!! I type uber fast but I swear the backspace key on my keyboard has no text on it anymore from “heavy usage”. It takes me just a few minutes to type out my posts and then an eternity to “debug” them HAHAHAHAHAH! (and god help me I’m a programmer by trade, I’m on the computer typing crap ALLLLLL DAY! GAH!)
@springbok7
Just to keep the levity factor strong here…we probably should have a type-off. You should see how many times I hit my backspace just trying to type this silly little paragraph. I suppose if wasn’t trying to touch type, this wouldn’t be an issue!
Of course good proof-reading would make a world of difference.
@Baffie
Oh yeah, I know the feeling! I dunno why but i always flip letters lol. teh is standard “change all” on the spellchecker. like you said, thank god for good proofreading skills, and even then we still miss stuff LOL! and i say a daily “thank you” to whatever utter genius invented SPELL-CHECK!
I am so drained from the fanwars. This event didn’t just happen at random, there has been a slow progression to it. One member fans grumbling amongst themselves, seeing slights and conspiracies were there are known. Misreading and over reading situations. If there is already so much mistrust, even a small fire can become an inferno.
This phenomenon is so strange and so prevalent in Kpop, where people think they know every single thing about their bias, like they are kin and family. None of us are privy to the private meetings between the members and their agency. Nor do we know how the decisions are being made.
Seriously, I see so many people attacking CJeS and those who are supporting JYJ, do they understand that they are cutting the nose to spite the face. Don’t get me wrong, I have my issues with CJeS, some of which, I have probably posted on this site at some point or another. But to tweet negative things to the CEO of CJeS, forcing him to close his twitter is a new low. A childish and puerile act that gives a negative impression of all of us.
Maybe the recent successes of JYJ members have clouded people’s minds and given them the delusion that everything is now honky dory. JYJ still has an uphill climb, the fight is not over. But, it seems we will destroy ourselves even before the race is over. JYJ’s win over their enemies, depends on the unity of their fans, to show what a massive force we are. If we are splintered in 3 or more, we lose that bargaining chip. Do people not understand that.
@Iisan You write so eloquently about this situation; I just hope we adults can think rationally and keep in mind the reason we are in this fandom; because we love and support JYJ(whoever your bias may be). JYJ was asked not long ago what was most important to them…their reply…STAYING TOGETHER!!! They have learned well the importance of UNITY. Perhaps we fans can practice a little of it for JYJ’s sake~
Thank you. It is my hope that the JYJ Brotherhood, withstands the craziness and the vindictiveness of their “fans”
I hope we all critically examine and exercise greater care in our roles when functioning as either individual-bias-only fans or fans of all 3 within the JYJ-Republic.
Good words.
I’m going to inject a ray of hope into this situation — these guys have a much wider fanbase than the typical K-pop group. I think fandom also should realize that we are just the tip of the iceberg. They have so many more fans that just lurk on sites like this, or don’t bother being fannish at all, in the online sense. All they will do is buy the music, watch the dramas, and buy tickets for whatever show comes along. In other words, build JYJ’s careers. Those fans are the ones I put my trust in.
@livingfree1
Hi.
I just woke up to all the fanwars today only. Really sad that some ‘so-called’ Chunnie/Jae/Junsu-cum-JYJ fans would hurl accusations at and badmouth these amazing men. To be honest, some days it’s really hard to be proud of being part of this fandom. Then, I read insightful posts like yours and it’s like a balm to the heart. Thank you….*claps loudly*
Although I love Junsu deeply and madly, I am up-in-arms too when YooChun or Jae gets bashed or slighted in any way. I am ultimately, a JYJ FAN and do my best to support all three. I can only hope and pray that our 3 boys will remain unaffected by all that’s happened. Yes, I know they have proven themselves to be very strong individuals all these years, but surely they bleed when hurt too..and this is what saddens me.
Anyway, I wonder if someone can translate posts like yours and Butterfliesarefree into Korean/Japanese and post on K and J fansites..the voices of reason. So that fans do not lose sight of the real battle out there (ie. fans vs SM/Avex).
@Butterfliesarefree2
I have always enjoyed reading your posts. You are one rocking 60+ JYJ fan. Thank you for bothering to educate fans like me.
have a good day everyone
I don’t think you have to worry about the translation. The Kfans who bring trouble into fandom are a minority. The majority are actually peaceful and care for 1-member, or all three and won’t say bad things about the other members.
Like someone already said……it is unfortunately the ‘crazies’ who are the most vocal and heard though TT_____TT
I won’t believe anything and anyone until i hear it from JYJ themselves and their official spokesperson(s), meanwhile i will enjoy celebrating all their individual accomplishments right now, coz they all sum up to JYJ.
As for me, the whole of JYJ is more than the sum of their individual parts – let’s not be fragmented in thinking, but we should SYNERGIZE coz that’s what JYJ is.
A+++++ .. and everything they do now .. im really sure they already think the things that will happen next ,,, really sad read some bashing Cjes ,,, i believe they know what they do ,, and I think some antis are involved in this situation rite now .. they take the advantages from this ,, grrrrr
agreed
Don’t know what should i say about this…but what i know…this is a sign for C-jes and JYJ.. maybe they should just start a grup project.. soon but then did this it will stop…..? aish such a mess..
This bias fans now behave become more and more like hotel girl (yunho bias fans), if just like everyone said this just a rumor and misunderstanding.. then don JJ and YC Kfans try to have a discussion i mean instead waiting from Cjes and acussing each other who is the real antis here, lets clear this situation just between them, have a meeting and start to talk…since this is started from Kfandom i hope they quickly clear this situation, dont make Ifans confuse and starting another world war.
Can anyone tell me wat does cfsand for… I
If you’re saying ‘cf’ – that’s commercial film.
Commercials.
I’m gonna start off by saying I’m thankful that the fans on this site have remained relatively calm. I think most of what’s important has already been said but I feel like I should still state that I don’t think JJ fan union stepped out of line. All they requested was for CJES to clarify the issue asap and issue an apology. It is not inappropriate to officially seek an answer from the company for such a matter where Jaejoong’s interests are compromised. It is unfair to see this as them pinning the blame on the company bcos after all, it is CJES’s responsibility to manage PR issues for their artistes. Furthermore, JJ fan union were only forced into this position cos of the malicious attacks on Jaejoong. They should be allowed to defend the single person who is absolutely not at fault but has to bear the brunt of hateful msges for no reason.
P.S: my fragile heart was trampled upon while browsing yc’s chinese fansite ytd. this place is tranquil in comparison so let’s keep it that way.
@the person above: CFs stand for commercial films
@kexion –> I think, better not to visit that. Many comments there are outright hurting and accusing.
Anyway,
It’s interesting how some people have double standards, even here.
When a group question Cjes and demand an answer, it’s acceptable.
When the other group does it, it’s considered bashing, blaming and guilt-tripping and finding trouble.
How interesting to see those proclaiming loving all 3 equally have such 2-faces.
@shadow
It’s GOOD you say it !
I can’t get why some people here (JYJ3) are now pointing to Jaejoong Fans as the instigator of this mess. I agree with what you said. But it can’t be helped that SOME JYJ fans have some (default) dislike over Jaejoong and his fans, They always find Jaejoong fans annoying, OA in everything they do, from photo spamming to rice donation or whatever fan support, so how much more if they are aggressively defending Jae from malicious attacks, they become overly dramatic, overboard, stepping out the line. Good for those group who started everything, eyes and fingers are now pointing to Jae Fans!
thats right some people here (yoochun bias fans), please read all the info and think for yourself before saying jaejoong fans is the one who cause this. why some of you now poiting finger to jj fans? and let those yoochun fans slip like that? what did you read? open your eyes and see the truth
fiiuuhh … so many .. so long comment and thoughts …. okay ,, admit it .. being a JYJers is hard and dificult .. a truly JYJers will never ever ever bashing JYJ members ,, i just cant understand why people who love Chun deeply could hate Jae and how could people who love Jae can hate Chun ,, how come?? come on .. we all know how precious they are for each other … Jae really loves Chun and Junsu .. and Chun really loves Jae and Su too .. why we cant be like that ,, as a fans we have to support them .. foe me .. support Jae is support for JYJ .. and so on …
so true!
some haters/antis need to stop their stupid competition bt JYJ’s members !!! they keep jealous and compare who’s more famous that’s not true fan should do! This’s the hard time for JYJ (even they’ve busy with individual activities) they need to focus on their activities. JYJ will be victim in the end if some haters/jelly continue to compare each of them. JYJ need the true fans, not the fans like to start fan’s war between each member. Some how those fans forget who’s the true enemy. They’re SM & Avex! NOT JYJ fans
I think the bad rumor came from the true enemy (SM behind, they just mess up again) not JYJers
thats what i think from the first time i heard this ,,,,,, i’m sure that we ,, one family .. ONE FAMILY … true fans really2 know what Chun means for JJ and JUNsu or JJ means for Junsu and Chun … so that ,, i keep my self calm .. i trust JYJ .. and about management or companies , i trust them too .. im sure everything is being talked before …..
in my opinion, people who like just ” personal” are fans describing their idol as a boyfriend or guy of their dreams because sometimes they saw negative criticism as an attack that would destroy before they read first what exactly the basic problem. Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.”
For me this whole individual fandom war are simply ridiculous!!! I pity jyj for real! We as fans supposed to support them as group or individual but we did the opposite by giving them a burden to them! Can we just trust them? Please dont make things blow out from their propotion!! I trust them i know they, jyj can solve this by their own
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I heard that this kind of fanwar that was ignited by acgae isnt something that happens for the first time.
What i want to point out is, as long as Acgae exist, the possibility of this kind of stupid fanwars to repeatedly happens is ridiculously high. Those twisted acgae’s mind that not even slightest of their reasoning makes sense to us are the root of it, and then add to the concoction antis’ hatred and evil shadows’ scheme, then we will have a perfect shot to shake JYJ and this fandom.
Who knows, we will have KJS’s acgae sites in action next year, or perhaps we already had them in past past years.
While, i can say firmly that Antis and troll exist in almost every fandom, i dont think i can say the same thing about Acgae. There are probably some individual acgae, but i am not sure about well organized acgae to the point they have their sites and all, like what happen in our fandom. Sad, just sad.
IF Acgae is a default development from long long years of idol groups activities + biases+ spurts of solo activities + bad management + Bad PR, then i just found myself another kpop fandoms’ distortion.
*head to tumblr to get something to spazz over and clean myself from fanwar’s sickening vibe*
Oh, do you know my friend what scares me the most?
When sane fans with strong biases get into disagreement in viewing current situation, then gradually loses their rationality due to strong and perpetual friction with each others and turn into the dark and end up become one of acgae.
“Oh, do you know my friend what scares me the most?”
You and me both, sister!
me too scares of that… recently in my country people r viewing kpop as a bad influence to younger generations.. well mostly bcs they lose their rationality when it comes to their beloved idols even willing to attack all people who criticise their idols. smh i think this kpop fandom is indeed scary. it affects our mentality n also our mood in daily life too. when i saw what older people says it makes me realize how immature kpop fandoms are inc our JYJ fandoms. both sides feel unsatisfied n want their idols to get more attention but the thing is JYJ themselves already satisfied w it. bout cjes things, i also dislike their poor management but when i saw on twitter fans r blaming cjes i was like O_o”… well im not cjes fan or whatever but i just feel really3 grateful to them bcs at least they accept JYJ n willing to fight along JYJ.. sometimes i want to ask those fans who r bashing cjes is just the same like sme ‘with all blocking that JYJ go through all this years, is there any company willing to go through hardships (oppression by sme) to manage JYJ???’ even krn gov cant do anything to sme.. ~sigh~ the saddest part of JYJ fandom is their own fans r destroying the fandom…
I agree with you and I have already seen it happen. Once they get into the whirlpool of negative thoughts, it consumes them and those thoughts echoes in their closed off minds and amplifies. Everything become tainted and their suspicions will let them see things that are not there.
Ok I’m going to say something that will probably be unpopular and get strong reactions out of some fans but I request if you disagree, to do so civilly.
In my absolute honest opinion, both Yuchun’s and JJ’s fan union are in the wrong. I’ve looked at both sides to see what they are saying and at this point, some members of both unions have devolved into name calling and the blame game.
For Yuchun’s fan union, please try and have some perspective. There is no way for Yuchun to possibly do all the CFs that are being offered. Do you want him to work 24/7, would you be happy that he gets sick again from exhaustion? What right do you have to tell CJeS how to run their artists? Sure we all want different things and we talk about it at our fan sites but we have no right to demand this and that. Yuchun has been saying in every interview that he wants to take a break before he goes back to work, why would you want to ask that he work instead? CFs aren’t limitless time wise, if an offer is made, there is a time limit before the CF will look elsewhere for another spokesperson.
For JJ fan union, the general consensus of Yuchun fan union seems to be that CJeS is the one that is causing this cf fiasco. Yes there are some that are blaming JJ but certainly not the majority. There are antis and then fans that are swayed by antis bc they don’t bother to try to find out for themselves what’s happening. These antis are in both unions and causing this major problem. Even here at jyj3 there is the occasional anti even tho the adminnies patrol regularly to weed them out. I would hate to be judged as a member of jyj3 based on some trolling comments a few people have made.
Please try to be in CJeS position. If CJeS makes an announcement in response to JJ fan union, then they will alienate Yuchun’s fan union. Is that a fair position to put them in? They have to support both artists, is it fair to alienate Yuchun’s fans for the sake of JJ fans. And I don’t mean fair to the fans, I mean fair to the artists.
It seems crazy how this situation exploded. This is why I believe CJeS never responds to complaints/petitions/requests bc someone will always be left feeling slighted. And JJ fan union is demanding a response from CJeS sighting that Yuchun fan union got a response and it’s not fair. But no one knows if that supposed response from CJeS to Yuchun fan union was real! It was claimed by one person and then repeated by hundreds because that’s how rumors work.
I feel sorry to CJeS bc no matter what they do, they will lose in this latest fanwar. CJeS is not something I really love, I think management companies in Korea are odd to begin with. I think it is a conflict of interest for the same company to manage a group as well as the solo careers of the group. However, JYJ are not under an exclusive contract with CJeS so if all three are staying there, it is really bc they want to and not bc they are contracted to.
JYJ make amazing music, are talented beyond belief and have stayed true to the course when most men would collapse and give up. I know everyone, including me, has their bias, but what trumps my bias every time is JYJ the trio. I really believe they are at their best musically as a trio. And it scares me to see so much dissent between fans cause I’m afraid that JYJ will think they should not be JYJ anymore bc it causes so much problems. It is easier to manage solo schedules than group, it takes a lot of work to weave three members individual activities with group activities. But they do it and I have to believe that they do it bc they love being JYJ as much as I do, to see people tearing down what they have worked so hard to build, it breaks my heart. Years of work splintered by a few careless words from fans, how crazy is that?
THIS. 100% agree with you on this matter…. just imagine what will JYJ feel about this mess.. it must have hurt them. We as fans should support their decision on what they want to do regarding their career because they know what best for them. Let just hope it won’t become a huge burden to JYJ…
i’m curious, have these two fan unions’ admins/staffs opened up and discussed this matter before releasing any announcement publicly? because what i get from their own announcement is they haven’t do that. or maybe they didn’t reach mutual agreement? i mean, this is all happen so quick and everyone is already on their own stance within days, and the fan union’s announcements also didn’t tell us much, it looks like people know the problems from here and there.
anyway, my friend in another forum already know about this even though she’s not a jyj fan. seriously, this fanwar isn’t really something to be proud of.
When people tweet these announcements to thousands and “fans” spread the rumors all over the internet, it is bound to spread to other fandoms. That is why I mentioned above, about airing our dirty laundry. JYJ antis are celebrating and laughing their heads off. I assume these Fan Unions have admins, would it have been too much for them to email or communicate to each other, before both sides released their accusatory memos. Seriously, SMH.
Yeah.. JYJ’s antis must be laughing at us now…. T_T
“Years of work splintered by a few careless words from fans, how crazy is that?”
stupid crazy. makes me shake my head big time. I wish the immature children would GROW THE HELL UP and just support all three of these grown up men and their decisions. We can make suggestions and try to point out flaws, but making demands is just selfish and ignorant. specially when the demands are sprouting from manure. We’re not mushroom farmers, for god’s sake!
I wholeheartedly agree with every single sentence you said. Thank you!
Support what you say. Let’s hv faith in JYJ and Cjes. Do not be bias.
“JYJ are not under an exclusive contract with CJeS so if all three are staying there, it is really bc they want to and not bc they are contracted to.”
Exactly, people seem to forget that JYJ are grown men, they don’t need an army of twitter fans to fight supposed battles for them. Seriously, the babying of JYJ is very troubling. People that don’t know crap about anything, acting like the have all the answers. I’m sure all three are wise enough to make their own business decisions. Frankly, I find fans who feel a need to interject themselves so strongly into the personal lives of their bias, borderline sasaeng/stalker fans.
A+++
Your last sentence…that thought crossed my mind, too. It’s another form of attention seeking.
hi guys long time no see….. i really miss you guys so much but this is my first time and maybe also the last time i post my comment on ODP……Jae ever said that in this world the most important things for build a relationship is understanding each other. It’s look so simple but also something that really…..really hard and difficult to do which makes me more sad when i saw these situation right now. i wonder why the situation became like this ?. How JYJ feel if they knew all of this mess ?.
you know what, this situation makes me remind to this quote :
‘One guy takes the life for vengeance and then someones gets revenge by taking his life. How is that kind of twisted thinking every gonna bring us peace? Well? ”
—Cagalli Yula Athha (Gundam seed).
Isn’t same ? you guys keep attacking each other and what you get then ? the only result from those matter is a sadness, a hurt feelings, a hatred, IT’S A MEANINGLESS wars. There are no winner from you because all of you already became a LOSER and the winner is those people who felt so joyful when they see that JYJ fandom became so fragile and broken like this. Thinking about it, ask yourself is this what you guys want ? is this act that you called as a protect the boys ? is this truly your purpose when you decide to be the boys sides ?. i am not ask you to love the others members like your love to your bias but the one that i want you guys do is please try to understand each other and also consider about JYJ feeling too,
i am sorry if my comment look harsh and i hope this situation gonna be calm down soon because to be honest i just afraid that there are more people who gonna use this situation for bring a big chaos to JYJ fandom.till we, C-Jes and JYJ themselves can’t handles it anymore.
We all live with the objective of being happy; our lives are all different and yet the same.”
Anne Frank (1929-1945);
“We can most safely achieve truly universal tolerance when we respect that which is characteristic in the individual and in nations, clinging, though, to the conviction that the truly meritorious is unique by belonging to all of mankind.”
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832);
“For those who have seen the Earth from space, and for the hundreds and perhaps thousands more who will, the experience most certainly changes your perspective. The things that we share in our world are far more valuable than those which divide us.”
Captain Donald Williams (born 1942);
“Difference is of the essence of humanity. Difference is an accident of birth and it should therefore never be the source of hatred or conflict. The answer to difference is to respect it. Therein lies a most fundamental principle of peace: respect for diversity. ”
John Hume (born 1937);
“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.”
Unknown –
“You should respect each other and refrain from disputes; you should not, like water and oil, repel each other, but should, like milk and water, mingle together.”
Buddha –
“Make no judgments where you have no compassion.”
Anne McCaffrey (born 1926);
“There are realities we all share, regardless of our nationality, language, or individual tastes. As we need food, so do we need emotional nourishment: love, kindness, appreciation, and support from others. We need to understand our environment and our relationship to it. We need to fulfill certain inner hungers: the need for happiness, for peace of mind — for wisdom.”
Swami Kriyananda [J. Donald Walters] (born 1926);
last but not least, i really love you and miss you guys….hope you have some fun and nice day in your real life, hope you guys found many happiness things and have some unforgettable moment in your life.and i am sorry for long post (bow)
sincerely,
miaw of JYJ3
i didn’t read all the post but somehow i know big things are happening TT
From past i found out it easier to be fan an when not invold in a fandom…. ( that why i didn’t talk much)
Follow my heart to only support their activities is my way to show them my support and stand by them….
“till we, C-Jes and JYJ themselves can’t handles it anymore.” ~~~> i agree w this. this fandom war is sure embarassing n some fans just want to show off their bias power who is greater n who is more famous. protect??? this word makes me laugh… they r not protecting but destroying what JYJ has build so far… bussiness world isnt easy like we think. there r many procedures n in case of JYJ, even they have 1 choice they need to grab it. it makes me sick sometimes when i saw fans demand more eventhough they know how hard and difficult JYJ situation is. sometimes we need to be grateful even for those little things. what more sadden me, the situation seem out of control already… i feel sad thinking if JYJ knows bout this, they must feel sad. n if JJ and YC knows about this, they must feel sorry w each other. some fans want clarification frm cjes but i think if cjes makes a statement, it will become greater cases n the press surely likes to publish about this. at that time, sme n avex n antis sure will have laugh at us. bcs they r waiting for it…… ~sigh~ i think bias fan needs to grow up n be mature bcs i think most of us ad in 20′s n 30′s. instead of want ur bias to do this and that, why cant we just support what they want to do… just want to say to some hardcore bias who din even listen to other fans opinions ‘hope u will be happy with what u did to JYJ fandom, ur bias must be proud of u’…. LOL *sarcasm mode*
i think this is my last post in JYJ3 too.. for some weird reason i saw some1 keep distributing bout this rumours n i feel uneasy bcs she isnt suppose to do that bcs alot of people trust her… well i think bias comes 1st.
feel glad to know a lot of JYJers… sayonara~
I really like your post.
But please don’t leave TT______TT Most of the rational fans are leaving!
@miaw
My quote sister. You cannot possibly leave. How and who will I share quote duty with? Take a break, but make your way back. Love You!
“If I had a star for every time you made me smile, I would be holding the night sky in my hand.”
Hi miaw, do you JYJ3 adminie?
because you give your signature as a miaw JYJ3
oh….. i just add it because i really proud to be part as JYJ3 fansite members and actually i just realize it after i post it
sorry for confuse you (bow)
heheee, i think JYJ3 adminie also “Mia” right?
“Jaeharems, Chunsas & Xiahpwas, I love many of you so I’m saying this in hopes that you end all this nonsense. Over the past year(s) you’ve had many disputes & disagreements. For the smallest & most pathetic things. Many of you have held onto that “anger” & have let it build up & take over. You are not thinking clearly & have become quite irrational. You automatically assume & believe anything & everything you hear not because you believe it’s true, but because you don’t like who the target is. Therefore, you end up adding fuel to the fire. Remember, there may be one finger pointed at the other person but there’s 3 pointing back at you.
I don’t mind if you only love & support 1 member but I do mind when 1 member fans go beyond extreme to help “protect” their bias by attacking other fans, JYJ & the members of JYJ’s Family which includes C-JeS. You don’t have to agree with each other but you must not get mad at the fact that not everyone loves your bias as much as you do & the fact that not everyone agrees with you. When someone disagrees or has a difference in opinion, it does not mean they’re “bashing” your bias. It just means they dont feel the same way as you do. None of the JYJ members are w/o flaws & imperfections so there’s no need to get upset over other fans not agreeing you. There’s also no reason in hurting/attacking 1 member since its the same as hurting/attacking all 3. This isn’t love nor is this supportive.
It hasn’t been that long yet many of you have forgotten why you became a JYJ fan & supporter. We had one goal back then & it was to make sure JYJ didn’t fall. Did you all forget? Lets keep an open mind as well as have some understanding. ***A sense of humor as well*** Let’s not hold onto anger & learn to support. And most importantly, let’s learn to work together instead of alone. We are the wind beneath JYJ’s wings, let’s all fly high as one <3" Laney (@lllLaneylll)
"Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous." – Confucius
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." – Leo Tolstoy
“There is no savior or victors in a battle such is this… Only victims, blood shed, tears, and regret” – @JYJ4SF
"Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it." – Ernest Holmes
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SECOND!!!
Very good points!
well done my President Lisan
LOL, i still remember talk to you that i’ll vote for you if JYJ3 have Election party
Thank you to all of you, @Pheonix, @BAF2, @Afriend, @intoxbyxiasm.
I’m glad my words resonated with you. I hope you all have a great week.
My heart is soooo heavy right now. Why for the life of me must these three men have to put up with this bull from so call fans. This love/hate fandom is really stressful. I enjoy reading all the rational and thought provoking comments here. But unfortunately, there are more irrational fans than rational. I will leave the internet for a while and listen to JYJ and Junsu on my ipod.
Peace.
if we want this argument to stop first we should stop it here in this page ! with us discussing about it again and again it just become more and more ! so please lets change the topic ! anyone ????
I haven’t checked the Open Discussion Post for a few days, and what do I find – a fan war?!?
I didn’t read all the posts – I don’t have the nerves…
Sasaeng was not bad enough; we have now Acgae, too.
And these Acgae have numerous sites. Just great.
To all:
- this is a JYJ fan site – if you are unhappy for some reason with any of the members or don’t like him, go vent out somewhere else!
- Please, respect the JYJ members’ decisions.
CJes works for JYJ, not the other way around. Whatever is happening, it is the JYJ members’ will.
- Please, don’t bring up rumours here.
@ miss-di , thank you , i was waiting for someone to say it .
So……….new discussion topic(s). Pick and choose or answer them all! ^____^
1. Everyone has a bias, but for biased fans (like moi XD) What do you love about the other members (in their individual AND group activities)
2. So far in what C-Jes has done for JYJ what have you LIKED or felt proud of?
3. As a fan do you personally wish JYJ would do more activities or rest for a while even though they are not satisfying our fandom needs?
4. I have seen many conversations about how much income certain activities make (on this site and others). For example, some argue that digital music sales do not contribute to a lot in the artists profit (because the distribution company makes most of the money). –>BigBang fans argue that most of an artists money comes from digital sales
But others claim that CD sales do not (because a huge chance of that money goes into production and other costs).–>But most fandoms fight for top spots on album charts?
Also, on the previous ODP many were saying that CFs are just a form of publicity so artists do not make a lot of money from them. –>Does this hold true for all bands (including JYJ)?
Also, that all actors are not payed as well as people think they are. A few A-class ones are payed super well.
My point (blah)……is that what do fans think of all these points. What do you think contributes the most to an artists income?
5. In the faults C-Jes has….list a fault…….and your opinion on how it can be improved. (Please no fan answers or ranting, Be thorough and think out your answers and complaints).
6. There are many complaints against CJes. But on the other side many fans also point out that JYJ controls CJes and not the other way around. So if one complains against CJes they are directly complaining about how JYJ chooses to do things. In your opinion, how much control do you think the members of JYJ have on CJes?
7. Something that always confused me was how Suju got first place last year in album sales. I know Suju is not that popular in Korea. (And most of a groups album sales come from Korean fan buying). They are more popular overseas. So, apparently the overseas fans felt a huge urge to finally buy their CDs instead of just downloading them. So my question is going to be…….do fans have any suggestions for increasing international album sales of JYJ? (Because most just download due to the fact that they can’t afford shipping costs).
8. In general……I think a big problem with the fandom and why fanwars start is because fans choose to ‘baby’ their biases and forget that the biases have control over their own lives and can make their own decisions. Another, problem is that many fans are convinced that their biases are ‘PERFECT’ and can do no wrong. And that anyone who points out things critically is an anti. Do fans have any suggestions on how the JYJ fandom can be more educated on these issues so that things don’t spiral out of control? (Like how do we educate fans and tell them that their bias’ don’t need to be babied AND that their bias’ are not perfect so not to jump on other people’s throats so easily.)
9. Do you have any suggestion on what you think the JYJ members, as a group and individually, should improve on?
10. Apparently CJes doesn’t really answer emails. Do fans have suggestion for how fans (collectively) can contact CJes or JYJ to give our POLITE suggestions on ways they can improve. (This does not include sending them letters of complaint….it includes things like sending suggestions on how they can utilize their youtube account properly etc.)
11. JYJ are of course going to get new individual fans….because they are doing solo projects. Do you think it is important for JYJ3 to sometimes/randomly have JYJ/DBSK history lessons for that new fans can learn about them in the context of a group. (For example the sacrifices they made for each other in the past/or what they said of each other etc.) There are many times when old fans are talking about things from the past, and new fans were totally unaware of those things, but like reading and learning about them.
12. JYJ3 admins work REALLY hard, and I am really grateful ^___^ If there are any improvements that members would want to suggest or any additional content members think JYJ3 admins should include……what do you think they should be? (Please do not use this question as a means to complain about JYJ3. Also…it it not the responsibility of JYJ3 admins to actually listen to our suggestions. This is just a fun way to brainstorm llama.)
If i think of any more questions then I will post them…..but LOL I think this is enough for now. We just really need to move on from the above. Also, if any more fans have questions they want to pose please post them to ^_____^
Peace to all!
Can i just answer the first question, it is a light and fun question, and will be a great boost to light up current situation
I am heavily Junsu biased, i admit that, but does that fact make me immune to other two others’ member charms? LOL, No, not at all XD
I LOVE JAE when he became j-rocker!Jae !! The moment i watched Jae did Maze at Thanksgiving concert, i swear, Jae was there, in “My ultimate bias throne” . J-Rock is just something that i dont think even Junsu can do, and i always think Jae fit it perfectly, the voice, the performance, and the emotions that just punch you right in the face,, LOOVE it. If Jae decides to have J-rock album, Junsu’s position will be in great crisis, at least until the hype of it go down completely XD
And DBSK & JYJ really have to thank Jae for his super smooth voice that everytime, without fail, blend everyone voice into this beautiful unity, yet maintain everyone’s distinct feature. It is a power that only Jae’s voice has.
Yoochun is hands down my favorite actor and composer of the group.
His angsty composition is just my melancholy self always craving for. I also love Jae’s compositions, as long as it is ballad.e.g: Wasurenaide. And Yoochun also had the moment when he took over Junsu’s throne.
Ah…..I hope admins don’t mind but I am going to repost my original question but post the questions separately so the discussions can be better. Sorry! X//////X (the original one is WAY to long)
1. Everyone has a bias, but for biased fans (like moi XD) What do you love about the other members (in their individual AND group activities)
Thanks for the refreshing post. I read all the drama of the past 2 days, & decided to keep my thoughts to myself. I think this matter started in Korea & Korean fans have some housekeeping issues to do ASAP. As for your 1st question, here is my thoughts:
As for Yuchun, I like the fact that he seems to be care free and not scripted even since his past days. He lets out his thoughts and emotions easily, which makes him genuinely close and easy to relate to. He was loved by fans so much before and now, however most of his fans were the mature type and not hardcore, this enabled him to relax and feel that he doesn’t need to cater to their every whim.
As for Junsu, I like his optimism, and joyful spirit. I admire the fact that he is taking care of his voice all the time, & I envy the the fact the he has been having his solo activities mostly as a singer.
Answering my own questions now XD
Individually:
Jaejoong- I love his voice. I love watching him learn and grow from the start of a project to the end. I feel like I am growing with him when he does that. I love that he always improves instead of just staying stagnant. I love how he goes the extra mile to communicate with fans. I also love his cuteness….and hotness in one package lol ^^ I love and am proud of the fact that he is so diverse in picking his projects (drama’s, acting, directing, composing, etc.)
Yoochun- I LOVE/ADORE CHUNFACES!!!! I was so happy to see chunfaces during RTP ^^ I love that Yoochun is someone who doesn’t care what anyone thinks about him. He does what he wants to do. I love that he became an actor.
Junsu- I love Junsu’s dancing and his sexiness when doing so! I love his passion for music….and the fact that he always is singing/practicing to keep his vocals strong. I love his optimism ^^ I love that he made a soccer team and plays soccer.
When as a group:
Jaejoong- I love the Jaejoong huggable carebear *_____* I love when he is all over his members or something. I love that he is willing to share interesting and adorkable inside stories with the fans of all three of them XDAnd he also shares selca’s of the other members too!
Yoochun- I LOVE Yoochun the troll. I love that he trolls both his members. its hilarious!
Junsu- I love that he is so gullible and easy to troll lol XD And also he laughs so easily it is so funny to watch his unique laugh
Ok, I’m going to take a stab at this even though I don’t have a favorite. Each member has his own unique qualities as far as I am concerned.
Jaejoong has a multifaceted voice which he uses to create beautiful vocal experiences. This is why I feel like he can sing any type of song he wants to. Acting wise, for me, he is just beginning to use his abilities. His strong point will be his eyes. I’m always amused when I read critiques about his expressions being one dimensional. Some of the most impressive actors in the history of Hollywood were just this type of actor. Their eyes and what they did with their mouths. The lift of an eyebrow, a smirk with the lips. Acting is not always about dramatic expressions. To me Jaejoong has a very interesting personality. He comes off as being distant, but I consider it more watchful. He’s extremely inquisitive, wants to know everything. I do believe of the three he’s the most sensitive, and spoiled. You cannot grow up in a family with 8 older sisters and not be.
Yoochun I believe is the most independent minded. He’s had to be the strongest in his family and he rose to the occasion. His voice is so smooth. He’s more like a crooner, than a belter. His vocal tone simply screams sexy! Like I said before, who else can pull of calling someone out – Song Without a Name – and make it sound so seductive. His rap in that song was amazing. It really helped NOT being able to understand, this caused one to focus on his voice. Acting wise, I think Yoochun is growing by leaps and bounds. His progression is a joy to see.
Junsu for me is the total package. His vocal power and range are incredible, not to mention his dancing skills. He also knows how to work a stage. This I think is his true gift. I believe this is one of the major reasons for his success on the musical stage. I’ve been to a number of stage productions over the years – dramatic and muscial. How the performer works the stage makes all the difference.
They all three work so well together, we sometimes forget they are individuals.
When they are all on stage at the same time, there is so much electricity. And because they are bonded so tightly, they are able to expand their reactions to each other. I’m reminded of this whenever I watch the vids of the Thanksgiving concerts and a-nation.
I don’t think JJ is that spoiled XD He said his dad was really strict with him when growing up. And that his parents finally became un-strict AFTER he moved to Seoul and became a singer.
The fact that he care for others and goes out of his way to care for them speaks for itself (aka when he stayed with his friend when he was sick at the hospital, when he cooks for members even though he himself was probably tired).
If he was ever a spoiled child, then that concept was knocked out of his head when he came to Seoul and had to work to pay for his training fees, while living in a small room and starving himself.
But he has mentioned that he ‘thought he was always in the center of attention’ before. And I think he has changed from that. Popularity in general does that to people.
Actually, I don’t know how JYJ (All 3) remain so humble. I am proud of them because of this ^^
@baf
I still disagree lol XD Maybe our definition of spoiled is just different? I’ve met some spoiled people and to me they are not thankful for what they have, ungrateful brats to their parents and other adults, and generally look down on other people.
If what you are saying is that he always get his way……..I somewhat agree with you. But, I always thought that was because of his way with words.
Please define the spoiled you are speaking of so I can understand what you are saying…..because their are so many levels of being spoiled.
Just because a person has a lot of people who love him and baby him, doesn’t necessarily mean he has to be the super-bad spoiled. But, I can understand where you are coming from….because generally that would be the case. Especially with boys.
Also, what period of sickness are you referring to?
Again, I will say that someone who treats his friends so well, who gets praised by others for his kindness, and who lived in relative poverty up to his debut (without any help from his sisters) cannot be spoiled. Also, he makes meals and helps around the house too XD
Adding on to that…….just because he has eight older sisters does not mean they spoiled him. His family was relatively poor. Growing up all the kids had their needs/wants so obviously the parents had to work hard and divide their resources. His sisters stated in the JYJradio that for a long period of time he lived on hand-me-downs from his ‘sisters’ until he was conscious enough of what he was wearing and complained about wearing ‘girls’ clothes. And then he finally had his own clothes. His sisters had to pitch in together to buy him a radio, which he loved, and that is how he fell in love with HOT.
Also, YC stated that his oldest sister was as old as his mom….so when JJ was a toddler some of his sisters were probably already getting married….and had their own families to take care of. Growing up like any other family, his 8th sister and him always fought. When the sisters always wanted something to be done, they always passed on the task to a sister that was younger….and it eventually and usually got passed down to JJ who was the youngest….who would do the task without complaining. (All the above were told by his family is the JYJradio….please go look at that post again).
Also, a man who cooks for himself AND others cannot be spoiled. Lol its just not logical. And I’ve met many spoiled men in my community because I am originally from Pakistan.
@JJ=oxygen
I agree there are different levels of spoiled. Believe me I know.
Been there myself. My reference is to the doted on kind of good spoiled.
Think about this. Here is a very young boy of about 4 yrs. old, brought into this family with EIGHT female siblings. First off, he’s cute as bug in a rug. They have only had girls to related to. Here pops up this little male munchkin. If those eight sisters don’t dote on him, something is wrong with them! You cannot convince me, they haven’t doted on him, no way! When ever he has been ill, they are calling each other and texting to see who is going over to check on him, or get him to a doctor. Back when he had one of his early eye problems…get over there, check him out, if need be get him to the hospital.
Not to mention they planned his first foray into Seoul for a tryout, without telling the parents. If that isn’t spoiling him, I don’t know what is.
Didn’t say he was bratty, doesn’t have to be to be spoiled. Besides, it takes one to know one. 
Go on YT and take a look at those videos and pictures. All that kissing and hugging is not just for show.
@baf
Omg your posts are confusing me so much XD
I never knew there was a good kind of spoiled……in my mind spoiled just has a negative connotation. Can you explain more? How does a ‘good-type-of-spoiled’ person act compared to a normal person?
And yes of course I know he is doted on. He even gets doted on by his fans and his friends XD and probably now even many in the drama staff….lol
@JJ=oxygen
You asked me what definition of “spoiled” am I talking about because Jaejoong’s family was poor. This might be a cultural understanding thing.
Where I come from and the culture I experienced, a family does not have to have a great deal of money to show love, affection and partiality. There can be any number of ways it’s shown.
My own experience…an only child…for all intents and purpose, the only grandchild, and in one branch, the only great-grandchild. To put it mildly, spoiled was my second middle name. I was doted on like you would not believe. Oh, the memories! We were not rich, we weren’t poor either. But I was treated like I was special. I ate this stuff up! I have to admit, I was given a great deal because my parents didn’t have other children. But they also taught me how to share. However, I was not allowed to throw temper tantrums, or be rude and obnoxious. Sassing got me the back hand of my mother on more than one occasion.
Not to mention, my grandmother and my Granny both believed in switches, and using them!
Being cuddled, hugged, kissed is a wonderful feeling. I may have gotten overdoses on more than one occasion. Not to mention the fact that I always felt protected. I subscribe to the theory; a child cannot receive too much love, as long as it is tempered with limits and boundaries. One can be stern without being cruel.
A couple of my godchildren are also only children, grown-ups now, with families of their own. Did we spoil them? You bet. But they also grew up knowing limits and boundaries. Were taught and learned how to become productive people, with good temperaments. Their children are spoiled, but sweet, just like their parents. I’m never around them that they don’t come and give me a hug when they see me.
The Kim family finances, or the things they lacked materially are not the sum total of Jaejoong’s experiences. The affection bestowed upon him comes through in just about everything he does. Take for instance, he shared his family with Yoochun because Chunnie’s family was still in the States. That comes from a value system that shows caring. Selfish people do not behave in this manner.
HOW DARE YOU repost it when i already reply in above question!! Now, my reply will be all alone up there *sobs*
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2. So far in what C-Jes has done for JYJ what have you LIKED or felt proud of?
It’s difficult to answer as we don’t know how they really work, however I liked the fact that they secured them many ambassadorships and worked well on their PR in 2011, looking forward to more of that this year as well.
Yes the ambassadorships are awesome ^_____^
I also loved the CJes that thought outside the box, when they were blocked. For example, releasing an album through book format. Being the first to take the risk of holding a world tour with JYJ.
I also love the CJes, who does not bow down to pressure. For example, the MANY attempts they made at JYJ’s request to hold a charity concert in Japan (which were very difficult).
I love the ability of CJes/JYJ to make contacts, and seek out opportunities where other people were not looking. To others it may seem small, but signing up with PRAIN, and working with Rodney Jerkins and Kanye is a HUGE feat in itself that other KPop stars at the time could not brag of.
I loved that CJes was the FIRST company to stand up for the rights of their artists (JYJ) when they released a statement saying that they would take anti’s and rumor spreaders to court….that they would not be nice to them. Some other companies followed suit after that.
I loved how CJes trolled braodcasting companies and their responses on why JYJ was blocked again (actually one of the few attempts of CJes using PR properly).
I love the concept of CJes as a company growing WITH JYJ instead of bossing them around like others would.
The most I am thankful for is CJes choosing to become JYJ’s agency instead of ‘company’. They are the FIRST agency for a music group in Korea…..and that is something to be proud of!
I am super proud that CJES kept on persevering in order to get “In Heaven” released despite all the obstacles of production, distribution, etc. Also was a battle to release “Our Rooms” and the rest, and I’m glad they stuck to it and kept checking third, fourth, or maybe even fifth and sixth options instead of giving up after the first and second options failed to pan out.
I am eternally grateful that CJES agreed to work for JYJ when no one else would give them the time of day, and it’s a major reason that no matter what, I’ll always support both sides of that (JYJ AND CJES), even if I don’t always agree with the decisions made.
I love that CJES is intertwining their solo and group activities schedules so that it’s not all or nothing. That must be such a stressful schedule to come up with to keep all the commitments lined up properly.
I love that CJES does charity campaigns with all their artists involved. It’s not just JYJ, but JYJ and Yuhwan and Jihyo (and hopefully the others that they’ve signed as well, soon).
There’s more but at the moment I have a splitting headache so hopefully I can post more later
3. As a fan do you personally wish JYJ would do more activities or rest for a while even though they are not satisfying our fandom needs?
Seeing how they are still blacklisted in Korea and Japan, & that time is running out before they have to serve their country, I think they should work to their maximum ability. I don’t know how they arranged for who to serve first? but overall the 3 are in the same situation, so if they want to work more, we should only wish them good luck & support. I hope they will be able to release solo albums for YC & JJ, as well as a worldwide album and a korean album by the end of 2013.
I personally wish that they do whatever they want to do and completely ignore the “demands” of their horribly spoiled fandom. If they want to go on holiday, they should go on holiday. If they want to turn down work, they should turn down work. If they want to do two projects at once, they should work on two projects at once and in no way take into consideration that I think it’s a dumb-ass thing to do.
The whole point of leaving SME was so that they could make the decisions about what they do. I’m not about to take that from them, even in a wish.
(Can you tell I’m feeling…strongly about this today?
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@Eliza
I agree with you. It seems to me that so many fans forget, or have never acknowledged tbw, that Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu are INDIVIDUALS with minds of their own, & lives of their own, & that at 26 years of age, they are more than old enough to run their lives without our interference or “assistance”, & that includes making their own mistakes. As you said, they left SM so they could have the freedom to be themselves & do what they wanted to do. But so many fans want to take that freedom away from them & make constant demands on the guys to do what we want them to do, to be what we want them to be, to dress like we want them too dress, to love who we think is right for them, to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…. Which in my mind, makes those fans no better than SM. Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu have the same right we all have – TO LIVE T.H.E.I.R. LIVES HOWEVER T.H.E.Y. CHOOSE TOO. & they definitely don’t have to give in to or live their lives in accordance to the petty, selfish tyranny of dictator fans who believe they own their idol & that this gives them the right to order how that idol lives & works.
For anyone interested, Jaejoong’s & Chunnie’s Western Sun signs (Aquarius, Gemini & Sagittarius respectively),are in the elements of Air. Junsu’s is in Fire. This means that all three of them have a deep-seated & instinctive NEED for freedom in every area of their lives, in their careers, their personal lives, their self-expression – EVERYTHING. & no matter how much they love someone, if a person continually tries to usurp their individuality, imprison them into what they want them to be, & trample all over their freedom whilst chaining them with demands, guilt trips etc, sooner or later the guys will rebel, Junsu with fiery indignation, Chunnie with a shrugged Fuck off, & Jaejoong sad to let a friend/fan go, but determined to be true to himself, & hopefully all three realizing in the process, that someone who bullies & demands you be what they want you to be, instead of loving & accepting you for who you really are, was never a true friend/fan to begin with…
sooner or later the guys will rebel, Junsu with fiery indignation, Chunnie with a shrugged Fuck off, & Jaejoong sad to let a friend/fan go, but determined to be true to himself,
That’s lovely. Exactly how I see them, too.
How are you feeling, Sapphie? {{hugs}} I’m sorry you were sick during the very serious discussions of sexiness
Let’s try for a funner ODP next week.
@Eliza
Hi
It’s so good to see you commenting more regularly again. I’ve missed you. *hugs* The Exorcist like head spinning seems to have stopped, at least for tonight, & I’m feeling brighter, so hopefully I’ve kicked the damn bug back to the hell it came from!
@kawaii00 and @Eliza you both bring up so many good points!
My perspective is that it is up to them to work hard in whatever tasks they wish to (whether they are in the spotlight or behind-the-scenes)…..but I would also like them to rest, in order to keep healthy.
I would really like them to go on a ‘JYJ trip’ again like they did last year. I remember I was SO happy when they went on that trip together….even though they didn’t tweet about the trip that much. They were resting AND they were together.
I also want them to release 3 Voices 3 this year ^____^ It’s always fun watching them vacation in different parts of the world. And I want them to keep that as part of their schedule.
4. I have seen many conversations about how much income certain activities make (on this site and others). For example, some argue that digital music sales do not contribute to a lot in the artists profit (because the distribution company makes most of the money). –>BigBang fans argue that most of an artists money comes from digital sales
But others claim that CD sales do not (because a huge chance of that money goes into production and other costs).–>But most fandoms fight for top spots on album charts?
Also, on the previous ODP many were saying that CFs are just a form of publicity so artists do not make a lot of money from them. –>Does this hold true for all bands (including JYJ)?
Also, that all actors are not payed as well as people think they are. A few A-class ones are payed super well.
My point (blah)……is that what do fans think of all these points. What do you think contributes the most to an artists income?
I think that physical CDs do not generate a lot of profit for any artist, unless you sell millions of records worldwide, I still do not think it’s that profitable. Having said that; the artist should be entitled to a fair profit margin however small the overall profit is. I also heard that digital sales generate more profit, as no expenses are lost in production and distribution.
As for CFs, in their past contract I believe their was info that artist gets 80% agenrcy 20% or something, however they were never paid that as everything was deducted as expenses.I think now they will be getting more money for their cfs, how much depends on the contract with their agency.
As for acting, I think it’s true that unless you’re a big name in Korea, you can be paid a fair amount. JJ & YC are still rookies,so I think they are already happy with what they earn. However the fact they have overseas fans adds to the commercial value of their participation, so I think they can negotiate for a higher pay as they guarantee increased sales and ratings.
I think overall, their highest income would have been from Japan if they were not blocked, having said that they are still trying to have Japanese activities in Korea, & whether fans like it or not, it’s very profitable to them, and contribute to what they could have earned have they promoted in Japan for the past 3 years. Secondly, I think concerts are also profitable, only if they were of a high scale & with lots of audience attending, thirdly would be solo activities as the profit margin will increase.
Then the next part of my question is…..then why do you think JYJ fans and other fans aim to have increased album sales instead of digital sales?
I think it’s still part of Cassiopeia way of thinking, we used to be the 1 fans with the most sales in korea, which used to result in having all major year end awards. It is also part of the competition between JYJ fans, 2vxq fans and other SM artists fans. But as things have changed, & also the fact that they are not allowed to chart or to attend awards, I think fans should concentrate on what gives JYJ the most profit, Having said that I don’t trust digital sales reporting where JYJ is concerned.
- digital sales probably didn’t profit the artists, but imo, it does show the artist/song popularity within mass. but for all its worth, it can be ‘manipulated’ too. read up about wg ‘nobody’ and taetiseo ‘twinkle’ getting on billboard chart. i heard their marketing ‘strategy’ is different from the usual.
- it’s both. cf is a form of publicity for artists and an endorsement of the products using artists’ manpower. it depends on the artists though, which one plays the most role. but if you even pay to get a cf, that means it fell into the first category.
many contributed to artists’ income. if they write their own song, obviously, they own the royalty more than if they got their songs written by someone else (cue, g-dragon). BUT if they need to promote here and there, get a different costume for each appearance, etc, for sure they need to expensed a lot, thus the nett income probably isn’t that high. and all those articles only reported the “income”, not the “nett income”. iu has also spoke up that her nett income actually isn’t that high when an article about her income came out.
but imo, rather than focusing on the income, it’s better for jyj (or any other artists) to focus on the longetivity of their career, acting venture is one of them. maybe they didn’t make a lot now, but who knows if they later become an actor who can even embrace the hollywood industry (cue, rain). because even if they make high income and have extreme popularity once, it’d be a waste if later they can’t rely on their past’s popularity anymore (cue, moon hee jun).
well of course, it’s different from some company’s perspective (cue, sm).
Both physical and digital sales don ´t make the majority of jyj income. To produce CDs with nice packaging (with photobooks etc.) is not cheap, not to mention costs related with distribution and retail margin. The retail price in Korea for their albums is around $16. I would say, even if jyj has almost zero promotional costs and most songs are self-written, the members together don´t get more then $2 per CD. Digital sales of jyj are unfortunatelly quite low, otherwise they could earn more then from physical sales. Something like 45% of online sales goes to company/artists (the rest to the online music provider) and you have zero production costs. The only bigger money is invested in MVs, to produce a better one costs like $200k.
Physical sale chart positions are a “pride” of korean fandoms. It shows the “power” of each fandom. It brings also year-end awards. In jyj/xias case, a release of an album is a way how to be able to hold concerts, the real income source.
CFs are currently the biggest resource of income for jyj, but it is ofcourse also a powerful promotional tool. In early 2011, they asked more then $700k for a yearly big endorsement contract (like NII etc.). With the YC´s rising popularity, the fee can be higher now. On the other hand, SM is known to lower their ad fees to get as much cf contracts as possible. Even the cf king SNSD´s fee per contract is a bit lower then jyj´s for this reason!
Actor fees depend on the profile/power of the actor and the production, only a few A-list actors get any good money, the “hallyu-status” is a plus too. YC was rumoured to get $30k per episode of SKS back in 2010, plus bonuses for sales of the drama/DVDs abroad. For Miss Ripley, he (trough C-JeS) invested into the drama production, so he got both the appearance fee, bonuses from abroad sales as well as a % of the overal production revenue. Junsu does the same with his musicals, he gets around $20 from each ticket sold plus % from the merchandise and overall profit. I ´m not sure about JJ, because he had only second lead roles.
Overall, I think that the jyj income comes mainly from the following resources (sorted by significance):
1) CFs
2) Large-scale concerts
3) Successfull individual projects (drama, musical)
4) Merchandise
4) All the other – CDs, FMs, DVDs, digital sales…
5. In the faults C-Jes has….list a fault…….and your opinion on how it can be improved. (Please no fan answers or ranting, Be thorough and think out your answers and complaints).
Ideally, I would want them to focus on promoting and exposing JYJ to a larger audience, I think that they are not realising the potential of social media in supporting JYJ who are blocked and that this is their only outlet. I also think they should have a forum on their website where fans can post ideas, complaints, & messages.
6. There are many complaints against CJes. But on the other side many fans also point out that JYJ controls CJes and not the other way around. So if one complains against CJes they are directly complaining about how JYJ chooses to do things. In your opinion, how much control do you think the members of JYJ have on CJes?
I think that they are not in an exclusive contract with them, they also might be the real owners of the company or that they have invested as shareholders in it. We also don’t know how they are contracted to it, I would not exclude the possibility that they have different individual contracts. I think that they have a say on what they want to do & how they want to do things.
We do know how they are contracted with C-JeS, that came out in court. There was lots of talk about how they can have an “exclusive contract” with SME and then work with C-JeS, so the agency arrangement had to be explained. At its very bare bones, JYJ (individual &/or collective) gets paid for their work and then JYJ pays C-JeS for finding them that work and for acting on their behalf to arrange the contract.
Yes, any good business will have a contract for an exchange of services but the reason why JYJ won the injunction is bc it is not an exclusive contract. They can stop working with CJeS, or work with other companies. I don’t know if that is the case anymore but at the time of the injunction appeal, this was the status.
@mkverse
I think we are talking at cross purposes here. The reason that JYJ won the injunction was because their contract with SME was grossly unfair.
During the proceedings, SME accused JYJ of breaking their exclusive management contract by working with C-JeS, so JYJ had to show that the contract they have with C-JeS is not the same type of arrangement that they have with SME, thereby SME’s “management” exclusivity remains intact. That’s why we know so much about their arrangement with C-JeS. The contract with C-JeS is likely also exclusive, which only means that they can’t work with another agent at the same time.
I’m certain they can terminate the contract with C-JeS and go work with another agent — not another management company, they are still officially under exclusive contract to SME… for now. — that is standard in any agreement including SME’s. The problem with SME’s contract is that the termination provisions made it so financially damaging for an artist to terminate the contract that it was in practice irrevocable on the artist’s part and which is one of the reasons why JYJ got the injunction.
And for anybody who is interested in the topic there were some excellent articles posted at The JYJ Files in January 2011, one of the best on Jan 10th, titled, “JYJ and the Law on the American Agency, Part I”
@Eliza
We do seem to be talking about cross purposes
There were two injunctions filed, one by each party. The injunction I’m talking about us the one sme filed that stated that JYJ had an exclusive contract with CJeS and violated their contract. CJeS simply provided evidence that there was no such exclusive contract and the courts denied the injunction.
This is an interesting question.
I think that JYJ has control over their product — music, concerts, and over what jobs they take or turn down. I think they direct C-JeS in what they want to accomplish (“We want to do a fan meeting in June. Can you make it happen?”) That’s not to say that they don’t listen to C-JeS advice, they’d be fools if they didn’t. And they can’t be involved in every business detail otherwise there would be no point in having C-JeS as a partner. And if JYJ are going to sweat the small stuff, it will be over something like a concert, not publicity appearances.
We say that JYJ can leave if they don’t like what C-JeS is doing, but who else is going to work with them on their own terms? And C-JeS only makes money when JYJ makes money, they have good reason to work toward JYJ’s success. That said, JYJ doesn’t have any control over…the website for example. They don’t have time to worry about that! They need to trust C-JeS is doing the best they can. C-JeS is helping them get the work that they want to do and that is C-JeS’ primary function. The rest is icing.
And neither one of them have control over events put on by people who pay them appearance fees! Those Lotte fan meetings are put on by Lotte. They likely just pay the guys to show up. If Korean fans would like some in Korean, complain to Lotte. Complaints about ticketing for Junsu’s musical, should go to the musical’s producer or ticketing agent. C-Jes got him the role and negotiated his fee — that’s it! They might have their logo up there as a “producer” but lots of companies do that, it’s an investment, it doesn’t have anything to do with running the show.
7. Something that always confused me was how Suju got first place last year in album sales. I know Suju is not that popular in Korea. (And most of a groups album sales come from Korean fan buying). They are more popular overseas. So, apparently the overseas fans felt a huge urge to finally buy their CDs instead of just downloading them. So my question is going to be…….do fans have any suggestions for increasing international album sales of JYJ? (Because most just download due to the fact that they can’t afford shipping costs).
If I answer the part about SuJu, I think I’ll get rabid ELFs on my back. I’ll say this though, In Heaven was excluded from the charts at first because their distributor wasn’t in some of organisation for counting the albums. Opens our eyes to just how fair these charts are right?
No being to afford shipping sounds like a flimsy excuse. I’m not rich, I just give up other things to afford shipping costs. I’m sure it’s only a small minority who have really serious financial issues.
@NingK
I see. Ah, I also remember that when SNSD’s album came out they started counting other charts too…..and for Suju and JYJ those charts did not matter.
On to the second part…..Shipping costs are like double the album. And the albums are not cheap in the first place. For many it is probably an excuse….but for others it is not.
For example, I am a student, with a huge loan load right now. I am working to pay off the loans each month. The only place my money goes is loans and when I’m hungry, food.
you’re right, it isn’t always about the money. some other excuses are: some people don’t have a need for a physical albums. and some people refuse to manipulate the charts in this way.
Iwould really like if this could become a full fledged fan site that has a pay pal account to which fans can donate for various fan support activities. It’s difficult bc people think that you have to be in Korea to accomplish these things but I think it’d be fun to just collect money for albums and to give them away through raffle or some sort of contest here on the forum. I can’t remember how many times I wished I could send someone an album that they really wanted but couldn’t afford but I didn’t want to seem like some creepy stalker. It was just be fun and hopefully bring us closer together.
How to overcome high shipping costs for CDs – either to find a way for local stores to have jyj albums on store (it is possible only in countries with an established kpop culture like in seasia) or to have better organised local fanclubs that would organise bulk-buying (the clubs order all cds together and fans pay only domestic shipping).
8. In general……I think a big problem with the fandom and why fanwars start is because fans choose to ‘baby’ their biases and forget that the biases have control over their own lives and can make their own decisions. Another, problem is that many fans are convinced that their biases are ‘PERFECT’ and can do no wrong. And that anyone who points out things critically is an anti. Do fans have any suggestions on how the JYJ fandom can be more educated on these issues so that things don’t spiral out of control? (Like how do we educate fans and tell them that their bias’ don’t need to be babied AND that their bias’ are not perfect so not to jump on other people’s throats so easily.)
I don’t think that fans with those attitudes can be educated. They don’t want to be. That’s how they participate in fandom. My hope is that they grow out of it, but I may be too damn old to ever see that happen. *sigh*
Another hope is that with the range of ages and experiences in JYJ fandom that younger fans can see that cultivating an entitled and defensive attitude isn’t the only way to be a “true fan”. I’m optimistic that this is a hold-over from the K-pop wars mindset and will eventually die out.
They need to understand that fandom does not make their entire life. I see people branding the names of their fandoms (in this case, not so much JYJ fans only) like they are members of some cult or gang. E.g. look below videos on Youtube, to see people saying things like, I’m a X Fandom, and I like Y artist. What does your fandom have to do with the artist or music you are listening too. Supporting a group doesn’t mean you have to act like the group is perfect and can do no wrong. Despite, the name idols, they are human and fallible, just like anyone else.
Forgot to add this – some of these type of fans, also use this overly gushing, overly enamored approach as a form of attention seeking. They know that fans of the artist will love to see someone who seems overly dedicated (whether really true or not). So in their case, it is not even about the idol/artist they are supposedly stanning, but about the pleasure and attention they derive from it. These type of fans cannot be educated, since their intent is self centered and has nothing to do with the group or the fandom.
9. Do you have any suggestion on what you think the JYJ members, as a group and individually, should improve on?
I would love to have more of YC & JS participation in the next JYJ album, I think that JJ has contributed a fair share to the collective interest & progress of JYJ as a group, I think that it’s time that JS & YC join hands and focus on their composing skills so that the next JYJ album could have everyone’s efforts. I also wish they would mention JYJ fans more often as this is always left for JJ to do that.
individually, I woul
Individually, I wish JJ to continue to release music, I like him the most as a singer so I wish to see him sing more either in a solo album, OSTs, or to have solo songs in JYJ next album. I really wish he can sing in Japanese as a solo or with JYJ, but am not sure if this is feasible in the near future. I would like him to try and do a musical for his next project. His voice quality is so strong and his range is wide. I want him to continue to act, he is taking the right approach in building his resume as an actor,and gaining the direct experience from seniors, this will only increase his acting level and his connection and prestige in the industry.I want him to lay some of the burden off his shoulders & let his brothers do some of his work, I want him to have more confidence in his abilities and his fans, & to be more selfish every once in a while like everyone does.
For YC, I want to hear more music from him, I liked his past composed songs, he is doing a good job as an actor, however I believe that music is his first passion,so I wish to hear more of him, if his next project is a solo album, I really wanna hear what it will be like.
For JS, he is doing great in his solo activities so far, However I think that his Korean fans wish to see him more on tv, if I were him, I would seriously consider participating in a drama as a supporting actor, or even just doing guest appearances in dramas.
I like all all your wishes,
but this is the one I like most for JJ ” to be more selfish every once in a while like everyone does.”
(and to those readers who want to counteract: PLEASE I don’t need those self-righteous lectures, reserve those for others, peace! )
I agree with everything except the part about JJ being the only one to express thankfulness to fans. Yuchun and Junsu always thanks the fans, it’s in every fan meet, every talk portion of concerts, even their tweets, which I am thrilled that they are participating more I the twitter verse. Now fan service, things that make the fans happy like silly selecas and such, JJ is def the king of, he’s so kind to try to be more intimate with the fans. I save all his cute and meaningful tweets!
Please do not read anything derogatory in “silly tweets.” it was meant only in the best possible way, I find the cute and vastly entertaining as I do Junsu’s self described “awkward smile” selecas and Yuchun’s scenic visual metaphors/cheese ball comparisons.
What I meant is how JJ directly or indirectly mentions JYJ fans, also his way of promoting his borthers’ projects never cease to amaze me. For ex, the last time he was in Taiwan for the fan meeting, he asked fans for their support for JS’s concert. JS & YC surely do that as well, but my wish is for them to do more promoting JYJ and JJ activities as he does.
Ok, I see where you are coming from.
@mkverse
” I find the cute and vastly entertaining as I do Junsu’s self described “awkward smile” selecas and Yuchun’s scenic visual metaphors/cheese ball comparisons.”
LOL! I would have called them “nonsequiturs” but yeah, now that you mention it, cheeseball comparisons is a lot closer to describing them. Then again, it could be a problem of syntax. I’ve long been of the opinion that Chunnie doesn’t really speak ANY language very well. I know the facts tend to indicate otherwise, but that’s never stopped me before.
i’d like for them to work more with senior songwriters and producers out there if they ever want to make an album again. as simple as that. if all south korea producers/songwriters chickened out, they should know that there’re many out there who want to work with them — kanye west isn’t the only one. i wish cjes could be more proactive in promoting jyj within music industry people.
I love that they are into self composing and making their own music. That is what sets them above the rest and something I truly appreciate. It makes them men among boys. Having said that, I wish they hired seasoned producers and editors to help them fine tune their releases. What happens after a while, since most artists have their own style is a lot of their productions start to sound similar and merge together. Having someone else take a fine tooth comb through their releases will be a added bonus.
The next JYJ album has to be amazing, has to knock people’s socks off, it has to surpass anything they have done so far. In Heaven was a good album and it showed people JYJ’s talent and creativity. People will be waiting; looking to criticize any flaws, they will not be given a pass. The album also needs to be able to open JYJ to new fans.
10. Apparently CJes doesn’t really answer emails. Do fans have suggestion for how fans (collectively) can contact CJes or JYJ to give our POLITE suggestions on ways they can improve. (This does not include sending them letters of complaint….it includes things like sending suggestions on how they can utilize their youtube account properly etc.)
A forum on their website could help more fans to get in touch with them. However,I don’t think cjes have the time or staff to respond to everyone ideas or concerns, that’s why I understand if they are only responding to webmasters or admins.
Quiet frankly, if I was running a business, I wouldn’t want to receive emails from a horde of overly emotional fans. Instead, the different well known JYJ sites, should compile suggestions from their readers/fans and create one document that can then be sent to CJeS.
@lisan
I totally agree with you… rather sending individual suggestions, it would be better to send 1 letter composing everyone’s suggestion…
11. JYJ are of course going to get new individual fans….because they are doing solo projects. Do you think it is important for JYJ3 to sometimes/randomly have JYJ/DBSK history lessons for that new fans can learn about them in the context of a group. (For example the sacrifices they made for each other in the past/or what they said of each other etc.) There are many times when old fans are talking about things from the past, and new fans were totally unaware of those things, but like reading and learning about them.
i love that… somethink like special post about JYJ Brotherhood….
YOU ARE A GENIUS
It is important to know the past stories about them, for new fans to know how they get where they are in the first place. The bad thing about it is after knowing the past they start to live in it.
It is a briliant idea. The only things that must be considered is 1) to be really sensitive about the split from tvxq (it can bring a lot of wank) 2) to find a person as much objective as possible, without visible bias and without leaving out even the not so nice things that happened in the past
I think anyone who wants to research about JYJ and their history already has the tools to do so. All they need is to search on Google, visit old threads on forums, Youtube etc.
adding – JYJ have shown that they are a brotherhood, based on their interactions with each other, their comments about each other and the way they relate to each other. It is some of their “fans” who do not see this.
LOL 3rd add, because I don’t think I got my message across that I agree with you and a periodic revisit of the JYJ brotherhood and accomplishments as a group will be a good thing to do.
knowing one’s history depends on the new fans… if they really do want to know about JYJ’s history, it’s everywhere in the net… It will also show how dedicated they will be on the issue.
New fans has to be the one asking questions rather us old fans shoving information on their faces… it’s ill manner for us old fans to force new fans to be as die hard as we are about JYJ issue… Give them the right to choose what they want.
I’m not a TVXQ fan, but a JYJ fan, but I know their history from the beginning… no one told me anything. I did my research through the internet.
It’s nice to make you’re own decision without other people’s opinion. It make your stand much stronger.
12. JYJ3 admins work REALLY hard, and I am really grateful ^___^ If there are any improvements that members would want to suggest or any additional content members think JYJ3 admins should include……what do you think they should be? (Please do not use this question as a means to complain about JYJ3. Also…it it not the responsibility of JYJ3 admins to actually listen to our suggestions. This is just a fun way to brainstorm lalala.)
To give JYJ3 admins kudos, the one suggestion that I emailed them was implemented and the other that I supported (this ODP post) was also put into action. So with me they are running 2 for 2. And I have nothing else to contribute.
@Eliza
Hi – I also find it important to praise the AMAZING job the Admins are doing day in, day out. No words for how grateful I am to these people and to this great site for giving me a fascinating forum and a place to meet others who love and support JYJ.
I plan on making this my last comment on THIS topic.
I came to this fandom for one reason, well actually three ~ Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, and Kim Junsu.
I came to love their talents, their personalities, and their charms. All of which are immeasurable. When they decided to leave SME, I was right there beside them. As I mentioned once before, when something does not pass the smell test, that’s it for me. I’ve been around too long not to recognize BS when I see it and hear it. Are the memebers of JYJ perfect, no they are human. That is what this fight is all about HUMAN RIGHTS!
These three young MEN have been through some tough times. But they have proven to be tough enough to handle those times. All kinds of obstacles stand in their way. However, the one thing the members of JYJ say helps get them through it all, THE FANS. Not “my” fans or “his” fans, OUR fans.
Whenever I see their smiling faces on concert stages performing for THEIR fans, I get all gushy inside. This is what they live, sleep, and breathe for. How fortunate are THEIR fans to be able to experience this. I recall stating in my fan account, the flow of love back and forth between JYJ and THEIR fans. Each member worked his butt off! Everyone in that arena was thrilled beyond anything you can imagine. One simply cannot put a price tag on that! And JYJ did not disappoint THEIR fans.
Understanding the fight the guys are in, makes me straighten up my backbone, suck it in and keep my head up high, eyes sharply open, and my ears clear to hear the noise. I am in JYJ warrior mode. I refuse to back down and let this nest of vipers win! Make no mistake about it, warfare is not for everyone. If you are squimish, this is not for you. If you are pacifist, this is not for you. But war really is the only alternative. SME and cohorts are going to do everything in their power to try and bring the members of JYJ down. Weakness in tactics and strategy have caused many a loss in battles and wars. History is full of examples to go by. I for one do not intend for this war to be lost, I’m not giving up for ANY reason.
I respect too much the desire for KJJ, PYC, & KJS to be FREE MEN. They gave so much of themselves for so little in return. And for those who dare criticize them for “biting” the hand that fed them, try working under slave like conditions, and not getting paid. See how you like it. Now that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter and make no mistake it is; the time has come for ALL the fans who care about JYJ to form that circle around them. SME can kiss my ass. You can try all the dirty tricks you want. This ahjumma noona is not going anywhere.
I know it can be hard to let go of personal interests sometimes. But in this situation, I diligently remind myself, it is not what I want. It is all about what JYJ wants. They want to be FREE, they want to create, they want to perform, they want to be HAPPY! This is what I want for THEM! The only thing any of the members JYJ owe me? Each of them must stand up, be his own man, live his life on his terms, and be HAPPY. I ask nothing more in return for my unwavering support.
Kim Jaejoon, Park Yoochun, and Kim Junsu, this JYJ3 member of your Family of Fans ~~ ButterFliesAreFree, makes this promise to you. If you don’t give up, I won’t up.
PEACE
@butterfliesarefrees
“Understanding the fight the guys are in, makes me straighten up my backbone, suck it in and keep my head up high, eyes sharply open, and my ears clear to hear the noise. I am in JYJ warrior mode. I refuse to back down and let this nest of vipers win! ”
Nicely stated, sis. I’m right next to you on the barricades!
@BAF
THIS >>>, I diligently remind myself, it is not what I want. It is all about what JYJ wants. They want to be FREE, they want to create, they want to perform, they want to be HAPPY! This is what I want for THEM! The only thing any of the members JYJ owe me? Each of them must stand up, be his own man, live his life on his terms, and be HAPPY. I ask nothing more in return for my unwavering support.”
Very nice!
I wish I had your strength. Usually I just love JYJ and I don’t care what anyone else thinks, but lately I’ve been feeling really down and frustrated. And it’s terrible that these feelings are associated to JYJ just cause of some fandoms engaging in a vicious circle of hatred.
I’ve been listening to “nine” on repeat bc that usually does the trick to pull me out of my funk, but it’s just making me long for the days where there was a common and clear enemy (sme), and we were too busy fighting them to fight each other. How sad and pathetic is that?
@mkverse
I am not a pacifist, but somethings ring true no matter what…I offer these quotes to you from Gandhi.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always.
Mahatma Gandhi
You must be the change you want to see in the world.
Mahatma Gandhi
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.
Mahatma Gandhi
Also, keep on listening to ‘Nine’.
It resonates with me as well. 
@Baffie
“This ahjumma noona is not going anywhere.”
Umm… yessirreebob, absolutely…. in other words, HELL YEAH! Scoot over on the barricade, I’ve got frying pans for everyone… just promise you won’t hit me “accidentally”, pretty please? =P
Save a seat for me. Its an honor for me to join you all in this good fight
I am going to master proof reading if it kills me! My apologies now and for the future mistakes, until which time I demonstrate mastery of this skill. **bow**
since i suggested the change of topic i’m going to answer these questions :
1) i dont have bias so : jj – his voice , it doesn’t matter how much people say junsu is korea’s best singer , i’m always going for jj’s voice and i believe no one can tell me i cant say that , because loving someone’s voice is depended on people’s test , so ya !
yc- his speaking voice and his gentle nature , his melting my heart whit his sweetness !
js- his confidence and his charisma on stage ! during tvxq5 days fans knew yunho as charismatic member but for me it was always junsu .
2) just simply being with them and supporting them , i know cjes got benefit from jyj too but still i’m thankful .
3) i Seriously want them to took a long break Especially jj . you dont know how much i wish he go out of korea for 1 month without anyone know where and come back all healthy and happy (with his shiny silky black heir )
4)-
5)one of the cjes weakness that bother me the most is protecting their image . you see non of the sm’s artists have rumors or scandal jyj has , if you tell me their artists never involved in embarrassing situation i wont believe .
6)i believe that cjes doesn’t control their activity(i mean they pick their projects by themselves) . i also believe they (cjes) have control over their own responsibility like how organize their activity .
7)first – it’s not a secret that suju’s fandoms buy several copy of their albums, bulk i mean ( and mostly bc/of competition with snsd’s fans)
second- their fandoms are very organize , they just shop from certain store that counted in main charts.
8) i believe fanwars happen because many of fans become fan not because of jyj projects but because of individual activities so their not necessarily other’s fan as well so they dont care about the other 2 .
9)i really love them making their own songs but i wish they could work with other more experience song writers too .
10)i’m not sure but i think when they were 5 they had some meeting with their main fandoms (the admins) i remember watching a video about it . i think jyj’s fandoms is still young but if they could work more closely with each other they can do sth like that too .
11)of course
12)i’m just thankful . good job admins
THAT WAS LONGEST COMMENT I WROTE EVER .
This for me is a key point. The MEN of JYJ have the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Each member is making a choice as to the path they want to take. But one thing we can be very SURE OF… they make those choices always in CONSIDERATION OF EACH OTHER. Isn’t this the very thing we Love about JYJ! The JYJ Brotherhood is what makes this “boy-band” completely different from all the others. The fanwars and disputes totally negate this ONE KEY FACT>>> JJ, Junsu and Youchun Love each other deeply. In fact for the one only fanwars to exist they have to ignore this fact. Because in the light of JYJs love for each other you cannot love one and hate the other two and still say you want JYJ to continue as a trio.
On a personal level…I’ve found the dynamic of this fandom has changed radically in the last two years. There was something truly special and unique about JYJ fans… SOLIDARITY. We use to know who the enemy was and still is. And we could spot a “wolf” coming a mile away. The question now is support… how do you as a fan show your support without the ugly stench of “fan entitlement” creeping in. Yes they need us but they don’t NEED US to run their lives. We don’t own JYJ.
So back to the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. One thing I am certain of is after living the hellish existence of life under SME for 7 years the Men of JYJ do not want to ever return to such an existence. Their relationship with CJES is one of their own choosing.
They are grown Men… not weak, mindless, boys with diminished mental capacities incapable of discernment. If you live in the US you may remember the show Everybody Loves Raymond… In that show Ray’s Mom was an over-bearing Italian woman with DEEP-SEATED MOTHER LOVE. Ray was up for a big position for his own column at a major newspaper and Rays Mom took it upon herself to go and have an interview with the man who would be deciding whether or not to hire Ray. She even made food for him….. Needless to say.. the man thought she was….cookoo…
Let’s show the Men of JYJ some respect. Let’s trust them to decide how they will choose to proceed with their individual careers and how the JYJ Brand will function in the future. They do not need the fandom to be their advocates in terms of their own careers! Ultimately it is their decision. We need to respect that above all else. To do otherwise is really an insult to their intelligence and reduces them to breast-feeding infants.
The JYJ Brotherhood.. this Love they share and openly express for each other is what brought many of us to JYJ and what keeps us forever hopeful that as JYJ one day they will be vindicated. This is a pivotal moment for this fandom..lets make sure we don’t sink the ship just as we are about to make it to shore.. Please the journey has just been so long and hard for JYJ.
I can’t wait for the day when JYJ is FINALLY vindicated and I can be right there at that VICTORY CONCERT standing beside each of you as we wave our light sticks, screaming our heads off and crying our eyes out knowing AT LAST! AT LAST! our 3 Men are Legally FREE!!
OMG Sun! Don’t you want be there?! Then lets all get along..
LOVE, PEACE AND UNITY TO ALL…
I loved your Everybody Loves Raymond example….lol its perfect for this situation.
@A Friend Of JYJ
“This for me is a key point. The MEN of JYJ have the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Each member is making a choice as to the path they want to take. But one thing we can be very SURE OF… they make those choices always in CONSIDERATION OF EACH OTHER.”
A really moving post – thanks so much for writing it. I’m with you on all of it.
The Dark Forces trying to pull JYJ down are FLAILING right now and anyone who can’t feel it… well, I don’t know what to say to them except maybe “Get your head out of your own wants, needs and considerations and see the big picture here.” Although of course, that wouldn’t be very nice.
Something that it took me a while to understand when I was first coming into the fandom via JYJFiles is this: There REALLY IS an evil entity called SM who really do want to ruin JYJ. It’s not an over-reaction, an exaggeration, the hyped up imaginings of a drama-queen. It’s real – it’s the truth.
As I’ve said, in this situation, I believe there are no coincidences and this fanwar erupting is no accident. It could tear JYJ limb from limb and wouldn’t that be the best possible news for SM?? This is what they want. JYJ’s fans at each other’s throats. Please my friends, let’s not take the bait.
The other issue we’ve discussed here is the List Of Grievances against C-jeS that seems to be getting longer by the minute. As I’ve shared before (and many other posters have said this too of course) it is also my belief is that C-jeS is working for JYJ; in a very real way they ARE JYJ because they carry out as best they can JYJ’s decisions. This fandom has been growing so big so fast that they are regularly completely overwhelmed. But I believe they want only to do their best for JYJ.
In life there is such a thing as timing. It has even been postulated, “Timing is Everything.” In the strongest possible way I beg the ladies and gentlemen of JYJ3 to consider that the timing of whipping up this flurry of dissatisfaction against C-jeS at this particular time is a disastrously wrong strategic move and it will ONLY hurt JYJ. If anything, the fandom needs to be an island of calm and resolve right now as we sit back and watch SM try to squirm its way out of the net.
Whether or not individuals really “mean” to be divisive, please do not give in to joining in on the complaint fest with them. Please take a few steps back from your list of wants and needs as a fan and just for now, support JYJ unconditionally.
@lilibaiyu
“…The other issue we’ve discussed here is the List Of Grievances against C-jeS that seems to be getting longer by the minute. As I’ve shared before (and many other posters have said this too of course) it is also my belief is that C-jeS is working for JYJ; in a very real way they ARE JYJ because they carry out as best they can JYJ’s decisions…”
So many on the CJES bashing train… SIGH.. Call me Polly-ana or whatever… but there is no way I’m climbing on aboard the CJES bashing train. Until the moment JYJ tells me in their own statement that CJES has not done right by them,… I as a JYJ fan will FOREVER BE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THIS COMPANY HAS DONE FOR JYJ.
And let me repost this here.. So much bashing all the constant talk about all CJES has done wrong.. but what about what they have done RIGHT? In the last 3 years not one fan-club has expressed any appreciation for what this company has done right for JYJ. Yes, we all know CJES has made mistakes. They are a small company.. David against Goliath. But given the ENVIRONMENT CJES has had to operate in on behalf of JYJ… They have done an incredible job!
No matter what problem you may find with this company… one thing is very clear..CJES is the only company that has faithfully stood by JYJ these past three years. Be sure when passing judgement on CJES that you take a look at CJESs performance in CONTEXT. If we were to look back and recount ALL that opportunities CJES has negotiated for JYJ in spite of the HOSTILE playing field they have had do contend with day in and day out…I would say their performace has been outstanding. CJES has worked relentlessly to support and to find opportunities for JYJ to achieve their dreams.
In CJES JYJ has a partner that understands them and gives them the support and most of all the CONTROL & FREEDOM to choose the direction they want to go. CJES has proven if nothing else they are loyal and that they have made a long-term commitment to helping JYJ succeed.
@lili
when I say YOU… I mean WE as a FANDOM…
@A Friend Of JYJ
Amen, sister.
@AFriend
Thank You! It could not be any clearer than this! The successes fully out weigh any thing that remotely looks as if CJeS doesn’t know what it is doing.
Try being the new kid on the block or in school and see how popular you are. The creative ways this company has managed to promote JYJ are nothing less than astounding, given the environment in which they find themselves. If there is an award given to a company that defies the odds and manages to be a success, CJeS should get it.
There is not a company functioning today that has not had some miscues or hiccups. I don’t care who they are. So, why should CJeS be held to a different standard? A business entity is about promoting a product or a service. How well you do that, dictates how much profit you make. If you don’t make a profit, you are out of business. You are successful when you make the right calls, at the right times, for the right reasons.
There is only one company that I know of who’s sole purpose for being is to make money to donate as a charity. That company is Newman’s Own. Their products sit on my supermarket shelves and offer all kinds of products. They want to make as much money as they can because they want to donate as much as they can. The actor Paul Newman had a dream, put it together, and even after his death, the company is still doing what it does best, working for it’s mission. It started out small and is now a multimillion dollar company. Millions of dollars have been donated. This did not happen over night.
When you have business plan, you either stick to it, work it and succeed, or you fail. Why should CJeS be any different? Their business is to work for their clients, not the fans.
“Let’s show the Men of JYJ some respect. Let’s trust them to decide how they will choose to proceed with their individual careers and how the JYJ Brand will function in the future. They do not need the fandom to be their advocates in terms of their own careers! Ultimately it is their decision. We need to respect that above all else. To do otherwise is really an insult to their intelligence and reduces them to breast-feeding infants.”
This so much. Thank you for saying this.
@A Friend of JYJ
Can we f-ing stop all this bullshit? Can we once and for all understand that JYJ (KJJ/PYC/KJS) are their own men and C-Jes is its own company? Can we f-ing get off our high horses and look at things objectively? What the freak is this emotional manipulation?
So, if I was C-Jes, I wouldn’t give a flying f of everything anyone said because even if I did as long as my budget and the suggestions made did not make economic sense, they will only bring more frustration. I, as C-Jes, am a business entity: I have a budget, I have debt/liabilities that need to be paid on time—liabilities that don’t give me a pass just because I am behaving like a hormonal human being. I AM A BUSINESS ENTITY I NEED TO MAKE SOME PROFIT OR AT LEAST BREAK EVEN—> IF NOT I CAN’T EXIST!!!!!!! CAPISCI?
I can’t run my business on emotional manipulation; I am also a new business entering a market that is dominated by one big stinking GOLIATH, who will do anything in its power to maintain the market domination. ( Economics, anyone???)
I have to choose projects and target markets that allow me to be in business. AS A NEW BUSINESS THERE ARE SEGMENTS OF THE MARKET THAT CAN’T BE PENETRATED BY ME!!!!! I My artists want to do many projects, but our ideas/endeavors are always cut off
I can listen to your suggestions until the cows come home, but can you tell me how much does it cost to produce or a certain product and where do I get the money to finance that project? Do you understand that even if I put out a product, I may not be able to have a viable market to bring a ROI to at least break even?
Go back and look at your place of employment and see how everything down to a paper clip must be budgeted and accounted for. Heck, in your personal/family budgets, you account down to every penny in order to pay your monthly bills and all the other expenses. Unless you are independently wealthy, you understand this. Why you are busting my balls every chance you get? How come you ask of me so many things w/o counting all the financial/economical/cultural/and legal implications? Since when does a profit company have to give you explanations for every move It makes? I am trying my best. You may know that usually a company doesn’t make a profit in its first five years, but it hopes to break even and stay afloat. I may bring in $20 million in revenue and have $0 profit.
Even if you cry tears of crocodile, understand that ( at this moment in time) I do not have the resources to customize my business and services to fit every an each of your needs.I need to choose, take some risks, and hope that I can grow to expand and serve other markets/clients.
thank you for the post
Yes. Thanks for this. People need to read and try to understand this. I’m tired with all the complain.
@daebaksama
lol!! High five Unnie
I just want to say something here,…
JJ,YC,& JS ,they’re grow up man now ,they know what they’re doing ,they have their stand,their voice,and they ‘re choosing what they wan to do ,or what they can do the best…We must love them,believe in them,with our heart but don’t forget our mind,we protect them -all of them- not only “the one who we love the most”..!!!They’re brothers …Can’t you see how much they loves each other,please,don’t break their hearts by keep bringing the fan war into the house.!!!.When you heard something bad about JYJ,or just about JJ,or YC or only about JS,you must see -take a look where are those coming from ?is it the truth ?do they have the real proof ,or just something like *saw it on twitter* or *heard from someone,somewhere…”…oh,man,we followed our boys almost 3 years,what tricks we didn’t see?and what bad jokes we didn’t heard?how many rumours did come from the bad side ,can we count it all?
Please,think before you said something ,just because you are bias with just one of them,doesn’t mean you don’t love the other members,right ?and then just “some of JJ fans or Chunsas mor Xiahpwas” doesn’t mean all of JJ fans ,or Chunsas,or Xiahpwas think the same..!Please don’t say “JJ ‘fan said this” or “Chunsas did that” or “Xiahpwas think …”..(.hey,thinking back,,just how many JJ fans or Chunsas or Xiahpwas we can count by the book right now?no,we don’t have the total list from around the world yet..!!!!)Alright,so ,the one who keep saying thing like that – is the one who create the fan war,and they’re not a real fan of JYJ…
*sighhh*
About Cjes,JYJ ” hired “CJes as a management agency.CJes is simply a management / mediary that takes care of JYJ’s activities and public relations work ..That mean JYJ choose the work by themself…And our JYJ ‘re working so hard right now,can’t you see just because we want to see them shine everyday ,then, they also want us to see how they can shine for us,what the best they can do for us,their loyal fans…!!!
The last thing I want to say,(after a long ,cheesy paragraph),if we,you,love JYJ enough,like we always said,when we followed them,stay with them until now,the biggest thing we must learn and remember is BELIEVE in our boys.Our beliefs will make them stronger …
*sighhhh*
I really really need a hug ,so tired to see our family is not in a happy mood right now ,so sad when I have to see some of my favorite sisters are leaving…Can you just listen to me one more time,please ,don’t go ,don’t leave..We’re family..I love you all…
*hugs*
Not sure if the hug is for your benefit or mine. I wish our sisters wouldn’t go either, but for the first time, I’m feeling the same way. I feel…wounded in some weird incredibly selfish way. And I’m wondering if perhaps a step back isn’t such a bad idea…
@mkverse Thank you,sister,can I hug you back..?.*hugs*
@MINMIN Hugz ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
@murasaki *hugs and hugs* ….:D
Thank you,love you,sister…
@MINMIN…..Baby TT..HUGS !
@anva1 sister,where is your *green ava.*?
*hugs* ,I miss you…
I am really confused as to what is going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can someone please explain to me in simple terms what mess is going on? What I gather there is a fan war going on. However, what happen and when did it start to cause this fanwar?
The fanwar started two days ago. I think it is pretty much over now. People are just saying their ‘final thoughts’ on the issue. So, if you don’t know about it you don’t have to worry. If you want to know about it….then scroll up and read all the posts. The fanwar never happened on JYJ3……it mostly happened on twitter.
@JJ=oxygen that explains why I do not know about it because I have not been checking twitter. I am not totally twitter savy enough. So my question is how do you see something like this on twitter? Do you have to be following the different fansites or people on twitter to have seen this fan war start? I hope I am making sense. I mean I follow JJ, Yoochun and Junsu on twitter but unless someone translate what they are saying I have no ideal what they are saying.
Also, I have scrolled up and tried to read all the comments but I am still not totally sure I am getting what the rumor was. So was the fan war between Yoochun and JJ fans? Was it about who was getting more attention from CJES in terms of solo projects ect.? Do I have the right understanding? Who is JFU?
I am so glad it is over because we should all be loving and supporting JYJ as a whole and individually!!!! I personally love them as a group and individually. I did not use to have a bias when I first learned of JYJ but I think I may have developed one or two since. But I still love them as a whole and will not stop doing so. So it does not matter what anyone of them are doing. If I like it I will support each member equally as much as I am able to do so.
Check out this website for summaries http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/
Also. to know about the twitter war you have to be following a vast number of people, including individual fans, admins of some sites, and Korean fans too who translate material.
Most people ‘RT’ (Retweet) other peoples tweets so these things can be found out. But it was a headache. I recommend you don’t try it…..it’s really not worth anyone’s time or energy.
@JJ=oxygen thanks for responding to my question. I did check out the website you posted but it really does not go into detail about what the fan war is all about. So anyway thank you for trying to give me some in site on what was going on.
Woooo-hoooo!!!!!! Newsflash, kids!! Dramafever just got “Time Slip Dr Jin!!”
Yup, saw this earlier today. It was a total surprise when I saw it. Forgot to mention in our convo. Please accept my apology. Right now they only have episodes 1 & 2. Stll don’t know the date for PTB.
I hope you guys subscribed to the “stub” they have up for the different dramas. I was mega bummed about Jin and PTB, but you can have dramafever send you an email when they add the episodes
I’m guessing the more of us subscribe for that notify thingie, the more they know we want the drama 
PTB is in Netflix….
really? that’s awesome!!
I do have the notify function. Asked twice for info, same old message, we’re working on it. But I had a couple of other issues and went into the direct email portion regarding them, and then asked Point blank, what was the reason for not having PTB, when so many newer dramas were being posted? I was told they finally have PTB and will be making an announcement. So, it is on the way.
Not sure if anyone else has issues about the size of the font on the subs. I practically have to sit up on top of my monitor to see the damn things. They also said an updated flash will be installed enabling people to alter the size and color of the fonts to suit individual tastes. I’m gonna be a real happy camper with that one!
Yeah, I know it’s on Netflix, but since I plan on buying the DVD when it comes out, no need in paying for another drama outlet, or even going for the trial version. I saw it on Kimchi Drama. I just want to see it without ads.
@BAFfie
“Yeah, I know it’s on Netflix, but since I plan on buying the DVD when it comes out, no need in paying for another drama outlet, or even going for the trial version. I saw it on Kimchi Drama. I just want to see it without ads”
The last time I checked, it was available only for live streaming, not on disc to watch on a DVD player. That doesn’t work for me so I passed.
@Lili
I’m sure at some point it will be on DVD. I can be patient.
Umm, isn’t it already on DVD? In fact I’m pretty sure I bought it already (need to check at home since i’m at work now… naughty girl!)… didn’t it come out sometime in fourth quarter 2011?
Well, SM is wining … they found the best strategy to bring JYJ down. External pressure & trying to ruin members image by sasaeng fans issues didn’t work.
SM learned lesson from what happened to Cassiopeia, the world biggest fanbase, split into homin stan & jyj stan & DB5K. And endless fighting. So now they set the fire on JYJ fandom.
They are so great that now almost fan feel unsecured and unsettled. Support for each member is weaken. Fans blamed CJES, one & only company who are brave enough to stand with JYJ against SM & AVEX.
Even if you have little faith in your own bias, your beloved one, you shouldn’t be fall into this trap. Keep the faith in their ability, individuality and nothing to be unsecured They are all doing well on their own. If they think CJES isn’t fair, they will voice out. Wait until everything is confirmed, pls do not assume.
I think all JYJ members will be very very sad, if they heard what happened between us. They were always proud of us. don’t let them down. Don’t let them hurt. Don’t let them feel all those things all over again.
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
@Yuri Micky
I wish I could highlight your entire post. I really think you are so right in everything you said.
Please let’s just keep the lid on for a little while longer!
@Yuri Micky
Thank you for your very MODEST and sensible comment, I’ll take note of that.
My simple comment ….. Please KEEP UNITING FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR RESPECTIVE IDOLS & DON’T LET ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE USED TO DESTROY THIS GROUPS……KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THIS GROUP.
@Yuri Micky
I like your post a lot.
I don’t give a damn about rumours! Rumours is not good for health!
My love, my heart, my eyes and my fully support goes for the three of them
I’m with on this feelings, very awesomely expressed!
Hi all, I believe this is an open discussion and a forum. Here we can share our opinion right? Let me introduce myself, I work in a media and entertainment in Philippines. I met Kim Hyun Joong when he visit here in our country and I got the chance to interview him. Anyway, the topic here seems very delicate. I am not against with anyone here and I just want to say my opinion.
First, a long time ago, Kim Jae Joong made his twitter account and follows almost everyone including his family. However, when conflict rise between SM and JYJ, he started to unfollow his family for the reason I believe it’s because he is protecting his family. Remember, sometimes he tweeted with his family regarding the issue. They are having conversation even it’s not directly, but its for SM right?.
We all know how JYJ suffer the issue between SM. They had a hard time dealing with it. We are happy that they overcome that issue. They are celebrity but for me, I see them as ordinary people and for sure they more like to be treated as normal than treated them like a star. You see, JJ live in a normal life, well I guess he was doing what he wants to do and enjoying it on his own way, he explore, he tweeted, he share, he post anything, upload pictures and even explore you tube, facebook, and internet.
Do you even believe that JJ got a facebook account for real? Well, I am not asking anyone to believe me but he is one on my friends list in FB. I am not sure if media knows about his “real” FB but his account like his twitter, he upload pictures like he usually do in twitter. He even replies to fan comment, which he never does in his twitter. I was only sharing this, not to convince everyone to believe. Unseen Jiji and JJ pictures in that FB account, makes me curious more but then I cannot see his friends list, I think its hide so I don’t know if there is other celebrity added on that account.
On my opinion, they said Koreans don’t engage much in FB that’s why they doubt it if celebrity got “real” FB account, but who knows? We cannot judge by those conclusions. They got twitter? Me2day, cyworld, and why not Facebook? If there is any other reason why they cant have FB? Except the fact they are celebrity and if they have one, people will think they are fake? There is celebrities’ account that is proven ‘real”. They even prove it but still some people doubted it. Well it’s because we cannot please everybody, and others are not contented they wanted for more. I guess we have all to grow up and be matured to think that everyone has all the right to use FB. It’s up to you on how you use it.
Back to JJ twitter, as you notice he twitted more now a days without hassles and he even twitted during his work (KST time). I think he is living in a free world, without even thinking he was a star “kim jaejoong”. As I said, he likes to live normally like ordinary people do. We should be happy that he is twitting freely lately. I’m sure he wants to speak with his fans on line directly but media always watching him and I don’t think their company management tolerate him to interact with his fans directly its because of safety and protection. Some entertainment company is very strict, im not sure with CJES.
Sometimes when JJ interacts with fans, mostly in turns out wrong. Maybe their entertainment company is very strict because of the sasaeng fans issue. Again, im only saying my opinion, I am against with no one here. So I believe, if they explore the net, they mostly stay “anonymous”, for them it’s better to be anonymous than to show who they are.
I can’t imagine JJ will comment here in JYJ3 as anonymous, we don’t have idea that someone we are having conversation it’s already the real one. Maybe some of you talking to anonymous person and we have no idea that he is JJ for real? I leave you with peace. I am relief for sharing my opinion. Thanks for reading. Everybody must enjoy their life. God bless jyj3 net!.
I am sure JJ has a secondary twitter account somewhere that is set to private and in which he follows all his friends who he unfollewed……but according to CJes NONE of them have a Facebook account.
The account you are following is probably an impersonation. Jaejoong only tweets in Korean and sometimes Japanese. If you send the link to the account to CJes they will probably get Facebook to delete that account, so the person can stop hijacking JJ’s image.
This was posted 2 hours ago by JYJ Official
This is the only JYJ’s facebook account. JYJ doesn’t have any facebook accounts. Further using JYJ’s illegally is not considered as fan activities. C-Jes will take strong measure against SNS accounts. The official facebook account of current account activity JYJ. Also fan activity, even if the artist has taken over the name for the account to actively report over to the SNS says penalized, take advantage of SNS. This is the only facebook accounts. Further, JYJ”s illegally is not considered fan activity. C-Jes entertainment will take strong measure against SNS accounts!
so on my behalf I don’t thing Jae has a facebook account, this is one of the many fan fake accounts that are all over fb. I think C-Jes and JYJ found out about this too or any other accounts that are being done by who knows who, might even be done with evil intentions too, so be careful what you hear or read!
@Abby Hello,this is the first time I see your name ,can I say *welcome to our JYJ3 family* ?
I’ve got something to say to you,you’re not the first person tell us about JJ FB acc,somebody already did that,the funny thing is in the last 2 months ,alot of people came in here and said alot of things about JJ private life,like FB acc,personal twitter acc !!!!..They gave us some information to make us believe in them,.like they can see JJ everyday out side their window !?They told us what time JJ came back home another night??and they even want to help us to introduce our page to JJ.?The craziest thing they did is one of them,already tried to be JJ,wrote something to us in Korean….!!!!!ADM already got them,some of them,they didn’t even live in Korea…They were fake people..!!!
So,If you said,”he is one of your friend list in FB…” I don’t know,should I say *congratulations to you* or I must say you must give it sometime to check back that acc. Because JYJ’ve got alot of problems from the saesang,we all know that,JJ’ll never step out to do something like you said* doing what he wants to do and enjoying it on his own way, he explore, he tweeted, he share, he post anything, upload pictures and even explore you tube, facebook, and internet*..That will bring more troubles come to their way,when those saesang read into that acc…We know it for sure!Do you really think JJ can do that and don’t even think about his safety and his other members safety??.
I saw the name *anonymous* around here,and then ,next time I see ,there is someone using JJ cute name..Before that,one guy ,already told us his name almost the same JJ name..oh man,go around the world,why JJ name keep coming in here,and JJ is never show himself to us ????only the fake one,so sad…!!!!!
You can believe what you think is right,I just want to let you know ,you must check back your friend list..and think about what can happen in FB…Oh,so you’re from Phillipines and you can speak and write Korean?oh man,you’re the best,why filipinos so good at languages…???
I think I must learn Korean ,because ,one day when JJ is coming here it’ll be a big problem for me…I ‘ll not understand anything he writes…OMG…
well congratulation to u if is truly Jae & U had a chance to talk to him
if not then u got a chance to talk to good impersonator
anyway life is about meeting new people right,have fun
Hello. Fist thank you for the welcome. Sorry about my comment. As I said I don’t have intention to argue with you people. I come in peace. I was only saying my opinion and sharing my thoughts. Let me correct your impression.
First, to inform you, I don’t know Korean, I don’t understand Korean and I don’t speak Korean. Secondly, I don’t have idea about others commenting regarding FB accounts of JJ. I was just new here. I don’t know anyone yet although I talk with few people yesterday in GAPP. When I share my opinion, it doesn’t mean I believe or what, to make it clear, I don’t talk to that person even he is added in my friends list but I am not a person who judge people so who cares about that account. Everybody get curious and confused when they see JJ stuffs all over the net.
Third, regarding the JYJ official FB account, that is recently posted, I agree on that however, we all know that account is controlled by the management. It doesn’t own by JYJ (artist) itself but then it was owned and manages by their company. In behalf of JYJ boys. Im not against with that, I understand the company protects their talents, what I am trying to say, JYJ are just normal people too. Having JYJ official facebook account doesn’t mean JYJ boys don’t have right to make one or not allowed to make one for themselves. They have twitter, why not FB? That’s my question. What’s the difference between twitter and fb when it’s almost the same, both social networking?
JJ tweeted even in his busy days, so if doesn’t want to share anything about himself, because of sasaeng and poser thing, why he makes twitter in the first place? Why he continues to share his stuff and emotions if he think about fans/people stealing his stuff. Well I believe whatever the reason is, its JJ personal. I think that JYJ boys are used with these faking thing, posers etc…and I know somehow they understand how media works. I work in a media, and the culture here in our Philippines is not that strict with our artist. Here, celebrity still have freedom to express, to be involve in social networking without hassles, and so on…, Im not saying this to compare but I just want to show what the JYJ boys missing. Yes right, somehow, for sure they are longing for freedom.
Fourth, I was only saying JJ might be stay anonymous in net its because somehow he wants to be safe. He doesn’t want people to know he is the real one and if we are mature enough, without explanation, we can know the reason why some celebrity choose to stay anonymous. Not all people/fans are bad although here are many fakers on the net. Others just enjoy sharing their love for their idols like making an account for their idols. There are many role-players; they do that just for fun, to entertain people. Why its not consider as a fan activity? I think some fans losing their controls and eventually attack their idols. Some fans cannot be controlled. Im sure, JYJ are used with those kinds of fans and they know how to deal with it.
Fifth, somehow, I also believe that maybe JJ got another twitter account secretly where he can be free to tweet with his friends, love ones and family. It’s just a feeling, so maybe he also has FB secretly or what. Secret means no media knows about it. Always remember, even they are a star in the eye of every people, they still have emotions same as us. They cry, they get hurt, etc…They have all the right to do whatever they want to do. It’s up to them what they want. If they want to make FB and any social networking, it’s their choice. If only they can speak what they really feel deep inside their heart, probably they will ask for their privacy and freedom.
Lastly, JJ knows English, he understand English and he even twitted in English. We can see how hard he try to learn English and I think that is the reason why he study INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION, We know what communication means right? So I wish some fans will not question JJ English, instead of doubting that JJ can’t speak English, why we just are happy for him doing his best learning English.
Thank you for this wonderful open forum. Open discussion. Everybody can learn from each other. We have to respect each others belief. God bless all and JYJ net!
@Abby
That’s long, and I read it all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, hope to hear from you more …
“Everybody can learn from each other. We have to respect each others belief. God bless all and JYJ net!”
I second this.
@Kris
I like your avatar, I will make one soon. Thank you so much. I hope i can hear also more from you.
@Abby
Hi Abby – Thanks for the clarification. My only comment is a completely random one, apropos probably not much of anything; it is…….. If Jaejoong Masters English, He Could Rule The World.
@lilibaiyu
Don’t worry, i understand and i respect everyone opinion here. Respect and understanding is the most important at this discussion. We have to be open minded. Thank you. God bless to you.
@lili
lol “If Jaejoong Masters English, He Could Rule The World.” So true. I mean, he practically is without knowing much English, haha.
@Abby Hello,again,I already said *You can believe what you think is right *,because you’re the one who work in a media and entertainment ,I think you read enough news ,know a ton of things about JYJ ,You will know for sure the word *sasaeng fans*,about what they done to JYJ,to another celebr.in Korea…You can tell the different between fans and sasaeng fans ..I wonder why you’re still asking about ” What’s the difference between twitter and fb when it’s almost the same, both social networking?” You forgot that JJ twitter got hacked few months ago!you forgot about the sasaeng tracked down some of JYJ phone number ?ect ect And FB is easier way to get in more than twitter..!!!!.You tell us,you think – “he is one on my friends list in FB. I am not sure if media knows about his “real” FB but his account like his twitter, he upload pictures like he usually do in twitter. He even replies to fan comment, which he never does in his twitter. “- Do you think you are the only one know that ?if it’s a real one,and if he replies to fan comments,so,you think that those fans can keep it in secret ?..and how many fan are there so lucky to get into his FB acc..C an you give me the number on the page.?and then aftern the fans (we don’t know they are a real fan or they are a sasaeng,omg ???)get those replies comments -the rumours will come around , the rumours always bring bad things nothing good…*sigh.*..
..but when he read and tweet,I think he’ll love to write everything in Korean more,because,with just a little time he had to learn ENG,I don’t think he want to make any mistake when he read and replies those comm.to a fan!!! ..JJ is always careful ,and want to do thing in the perfect way.!!!
You know to little about sasaeng in Korea,I followed them when they were 5 members ,with the other name,It’s almost 7 years so I learned alot of things about the sasaeng in Korea,and saw how hard JYJ tried to survive all this years .I can tell you that, you can not put JYJ stand the same line with a band in your country,even they are the # 1 in Philippines,JYJ is the band with 3 members who came from DBSK5 -”GOD OF THE EAST”…*THE STRICT* you said,is something our boys have to live on to keep them safe ,and we ,the Ifan know that & we hurts ,we miss them but we do love them more…
About JJ English,I was there,with JYJ -one show room,1 world tour concert in LA.USA,I know JJ can speak ENG.with what level
oh,I’m out of time,Just want to share something with you…thanks for reading.
Hi ALL
I love what you share here, and I am thankful by that. Somehow I learn from different point of view. I will clarify something, well I was only saying what I think about the FB account of that person, its more on the feeling that’s why I said that, but I never ask anyone here “hey, believe me, you have to agree on me”. If I see it as “real” well because I feel it but then, I never ask anyone has to agree on me. Right from the start I make it clear that I want to share only and say my thoughts. You also have your own feelings and belief, and I respect that.
I am a person that I never take negative anything that is related to the artist. That’s something stressful; instead to be negative, I look for a bright side of story. I also know what social networking means, those twitter and FB etc…I know how it works. “What’s the difference between twitter and fb when it’s almost the same, both social networking?”. I’m asking people what they think the difference about it. I believe to myself I am right they are both social networking, and I never forgot all the issue that JJ has. The hacker thing, sasaeng fans, etc. I even write an article about it here in the Philippines to share my thoughts and opinion. Well, media should aware of that. We cannot blame media and their company if they are strict because of the issue about “invading privacy” and “stealing stuffs”
@MINMIN
I also agree on your point of view “ENG.with what level ..but when he read and tweet,I think he’ll love to write everything in Korean more,because,with just a little time he had to learn ENG,I don’t think he want to make any mistake when he read and replies those comm.to a fan!!! ..JJ is always careful ,and want to do thing in the perfect way.!!!”
I think JJ really wants to learn English, but I can see he is shy sometimes to speak it maybe because he feels his English will went our wrong. But I appreciate his effort to learn it especially when he twitter short English paragraph. JYJ even sing English right? And I appreciate everything. We will be happy all if someday they become fluent in English at least it will be a lot of easier for them to communicate. Let’s have fun here, enjoy, support and protect our boys.
JYJnet! Thank you for everything! I wish all the best in your site!!!!
hello @Abby where can we find articles you wrote? which publication? I’m also from the Phils.
Let’s share with open heart and positive mind on ODP.
soooooo tiring
my mind is blank
my heart achessssssssssssss
Sorry you feel this way. Take comfort in knowing that the selfish and destructive fans are a minority. Although, very vocal, a minority just the same. The sane fans are just more quiet, but in the end, we will always be here for JYJ.
Guys i just want to inform you guys that i just saw there some kpop singers fan page in fb are talking about the rumor about the fanwars among JYJ’s fans… seems like many outsiders are sharing about this rumor. T_T
I really hate this.. just wish that i can make that dumb rumor never exist….
of course they would do this ! they’re always looking for Opportunity to destroy our fandom (not all of them)
and luckily for them we gave them this Opportunity with our own hand . we must be proud of ourselves (Sarcasm ) !
I think this reached other fandoms as well, not only that of the “other two”. I saw vips and elfs talking about this fanwar and there are surely more. Couldn´t kfans pacifice those noisy acgaes somehow?
typos.. * there are some
I want to ask about JYJ’s banning issue, not SK but other asian country such as Malaysia. Ok i’ve been waiting for MTV asia to show Junsu’s Tarantallegra on Kwave, i’ve check it sometime whether they’re showing it on tv or not but up until now I haven’t seen it yet and it just remind me MTV asia never plays JYJ other songs too like IH and GO. I’m not sure whether mtv ever plays JYJ’s songs or not but so far I haven’t seen it not even once on tv and yesterday I asked my lil bro why the hell they never play JYJ’s song and he just said they’re ban here too.. I mean on MTV asia. So is it true..?? if it’s true then I just don’t know what to say anymore.. i’m speechless actually if it’s true. Damn!! does sme has power over MTV asia too or what…!!!!
isn’t MTV -K run by SBS ?
really? idk, i didn’t watch tv too much, but i heard many news about them (mtv taiwan/mtv asia k-wave) airing their interview/fanmeet etc in jyj3. and sbs having mtv korea share didn’t directly make them have a share in mtv asia right?
@nioha
I just tweeted them to play Xia’s video. ( @mtvasia ) I’m thinking – maybe a petition (twitition) might help too? If nothing else, please all take a moment and send a tweet or 2 today to mtvasia saying “where’s Xia’s video??”
@the person above. SBS has a majority stake in MTV korea so no surprises that junsu’s MV doesn’t appear at all.
anyway, I’m here bcos I’m worn out just looking at the crap that jaejoong has had to take from antifans and delusional psychos the past few days (not mincing my words cos that’s exactly what I think of them. if this needs to be moderated then my apologies for the trouble) and I need to talk abt it for a bit.
It’s been insane, really. A single unfounded rumour that spread like wildfire throughout cyberspace causing/revealing sharp rifts in the fandom. I’m going to skip over the details which are all available from earlier comments. So now, after 4 days of continuous damage to jaejoong’s reputation, where are we? People have been hurt, frustration’s mounting and nothing has been done.
My patience is wearing thin waiting for CJES to do some form of damage control. This is not in consideration of fans’ welfare/desires/interests but that of JYJ (their main artistes), so please don’t reply with the argument abt how the company has better things to take care of. It’s as though they’re completely oblivious to the severity of the issue. Someone has to say this so I’ll take the hit: This is not abt whether the company is good or bad in general, but let’s be honest that in this matter, it’s been handled very unprofessionally.
There is no way that it’s gonna die down on its own. Over time, maybe less people are gonna mention it but the wounds remain as long as there is no clarification. Merely asking everyone to keep the peace isn’t going to help bcos it only serves to suppress those emotions which are bound to come bursting out in another fanwar later on.
I can only hope that there will be a firm and clear official statement to straighten things out as soon as possible.
Personally, I don’t think CJes should do anything since it’s the fans that created the issue and made it into something bigger than it actually is. They can’t change the opinions of fans who are already set in their ways of thinking on certain members. From what I got from this whole scenario is that CJes got put into the centre of a major fan war because of some rumour that turned out to be not true. To be honest, CJes shouldn’t have even been apart of this mess in the first place and I still don’t understand how they even ended up in this to begin with. However, the fansites and fans involved in this should get their act together and try to fix the damage they created with this whole situation. Fans started the problem therefore they should attempt to fix it and make sure these misunderstandings don’t happen again.
Agree.
Fans need to self-reflect & quit demanding that CJes fix problems fans create. Own the part you play in these dramas/wars & fix it yourself.
@Alison can i ask you what rumour that turned out to be not true ? about cjes answering to yc fandom or you mean other one about cf ?
About how they gave those cfs to Jaejoong instead of Yoochun. I don’t know if CJes did respond to Yoochun’s fans though.
Couldn’t agree more. Asking CJeS to make an official statement, takes this issue from being a petty ‘fanwar’ to a major incidence. With an official statement, it gives the scandal loving Korean Media an opportunity to publicize the issue. Do fans want to see headlines about JYJ splitting up, members overshadowing each other etc. Do you think any member of JYJ will be happy with such news? Or that they won’t be further embarrassed to be associated with another scandal?
I seriously do not understand why some fans keep escalating the issue. I am getting ticked off by this; how do you think Jaejoong feels about this? How do you expect him to face the people that are being attacked, supposedly on his behalf? Are the feelings of some no name fans, greater than his? No one has the right to interfere in his personal or business dealings.
@lisan
“Do you think any member of JYJ will be happy with such news? Or that they won’t be further embarrassed to be associated with another scandal? I seriously do not understand why some fans keep escalating the issue.”
I just read someone’s post (and its author, please forgive me, I don’t remember whose it was but it’s here somewhere) that said that the agenda of the “One Guy Only” fandoms who started all of this would seem to be that they want their bias to go solo permanently.
So in other words, to break up JYJ. Now THERE, my friends, is a very ugly and frightening motive.
@lilibaiyu
“I just read someone’s post (and its author, please forgive me, I don’t remember whose it was but it’s here somewhere) that said that the agenda of the “One Guy Only” fandoms who started all of this would seem to be that they want their bias to go solo permanently.”
I think that might have been me
Or at least I made a comment to that effect earlier in time but below this one! I forgot to point out that this is also what SM want – not so much JYJ going solo, but JYJ dissolving through disbandment. Obviously bias fans believe their bias will not just survive, but will succeed far better by going solo than by staying with JYJ – this seems to be the basis & excuse for their tantrum throwing & jealous grudges. & this is something that potential SM (& coldly plotting ackgnaes) Fifth Columnist Saboteurs will use to manipulate these one bias only fans to incite them to greater explosions of jealousy fuelled rage, to put more pressure & stress on the fandom as a whole, trying to crack the fandom asunder & destabilise JYJ’s very existence, which ultimately rest on us, their fans. Whether the guys would have more success if they were to go permanently solo is unknown, & frankly pointless at this time to discuss, as JYJ themselves have made it clear that both the group & their solo careers are equally important, that they love having the freedom to pursue both, & that they aren’t planning on stopping either group or solo activities anytime soon. (Which personally gets a big YAY from me 
) & even if they were to go solo permanently, I honestly can’t see SM stopping their attempts to destroy JYJ completely. As much to stop any other idol from thinking they can follow JYJ’s path successfully, either as part of an idol group or solo, as from sheer bloody minded vindictiveness. Regardless of what ackgnae fans want to believe, Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu can’t stand against SM on their own. Hayato-san himself has pointed this out. (But then I’m forgetting the “fact” that fans who have never even met any of JYJ know them sooooo much better than any of JYJ’s colleagues, friends or family!!! >.>) – & what these fans completely ignore is the fact that JYJ don’t want too go permanently solo, at least at this time. They are JYJ – a trio, because that is exactly what & who they want to be & exactly what they want to be doing. .
@Sapphire
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” the agenda of the “One Guy Only” fandoms who started all of this would seem to be that they want their bias to go solo permanently.” I think that might have been me
Oh, OK, good. Mystery solved and again, sorry for not quoting you in the first place.
The thing that is so galling to me is that these people whose real agenda is to break JYJ apart via fanwars actually have the nerve to accuse others of “not being true fans” if they won’t go along with their tactics. That’s the height of something but I’m not sure what.
@Lili
“That’s the height of something but I’m not sure what.”
Manure? Sewage? Delusion? I was just jaw-droppingly stunned when I ran across that info, that the “acgaes” were accusing “normal” one-member fans of not being true fans. Talk about the most bizarre peer-pressure I’ve ever seen. I kinda understand both sides of the “cjes needs to respond” fence, I can see where fans want clarification of the supposed involvement of an employee but on the other hand i can just picture the field day messed up k-media would have with the whole can of worms if cjes releases an official statement on this, unless it’s something like “no communication has been made between cjes and any fan groups regarding solo activities of JYJ” or something to that effect. sometimes I think we should rename this fandom from “JYJ fandom” to JYJ drama-dom”. Sigh.
I’m just grateful that I don’t really have a bias, and can support all three with a clear conscience
@Alison
“However, the fansites and fans involved in this should get their act together and try to fix the damage they created with this whole situation. Fans started the problem therefore they should attempt to fix it and make sure these misunderstandings don’t happen again.”
If any of them claim to be actual adults then I think you’re 100% right. Because they’ve been acting like rude, out-of-control children.
One word from C-JeS on this fan conflict and it goes public to the whole Korean and eventually worldwide media. There is no way they can do such a thing.
And my own opinion on the issue – I thought I was part of the JYJ fan union. I understand people are coming to be fans from many gates, but my gate is JYJ and I am sticking with all 3 of them, no matter what.
I acknowledge that this issue was started by fans but as many others have pointed out, CJes has the responsibility to clarify the rumours because its careless actions have inadvertently contributed to the proliferation of the rumours, causing clear damage to Jaejoong’s reputation. Just because it won’t change the opinions of acgae fans who are anti-JJ doesn’t excuse them from this responsibility. CJes is already a part of this mess and in view of the best interests of JYJ, they should clear things up asap instead of treating it as a meaningless fanwar.
I have to say that it is not a viable option to just say the fansites should just get together and fix the damage. The current situation is such that the respective fan unions are not in contact and it is not possible to come to a compromise. What does one expect them to do? Get YC fan union to issue an apology or clarification statement in return for JJ fan union retracting their request to CJes? There is no way that YC fan union will admit to any wrongdoing and JJ fan union is unable to exert any pressure on them to do so. Let’s say someone manages to broker a miracle deal and it happens. Does it ensure that this situation will not repeat itself again with acgae fans of the other members? Not at all bcos the fundamental problem has yet to be solved. CJes needs to maintain clear and fair channels of communication with the fans instead of allowing individual staff to contact the fans and pass on inappropriate and unverifiable information.
The recent JYJ fan union letter to CJes is seeking exactly that which is necessary. It should not be viewed as an attempt to blow up matters. Rather, we should face it as an opportunity to establish solid facts upon which we can finally end speculations as well as institute accepted forms of communication for all fansites. In my opinion, this is the best long term solution.
Sorry @kexion… I’m going to disagree with you here about CJes needing to fix this. They are stuck with the problem of having to do damage control but I don’t think press releases of public statements are the best way to handle it.
IMO fans create these kinds of problems because they don’t know how to set boundaries. There are just certain matters of JYJ’s business that are just none of their business.
@kexion
“Over time, maybe less people are gonna mention it but the wounds remain as long as there is no clarification. Merely asking everyone to keep the peace isn’t going to help bcos it only serves to suppress those emotions which are bound to come bursting out in another fanwar later on.”
Hi – I realize you feel passionately about this. I guess I need some clarification on your remarks. WHOSE wounds are you referring to? The fan’s wounds? I don’t really see how Jaejoong has been “wounded” any more than he’s been many times in the past when “One Guy Only” zealots decide to light into him. I think if Jaejoong were really hurt and appalled over this we would have heard SOMETHING more compelling than seeing the back of him giving 2 peace signs a couple of days ago. PEACE being the operative sentiment.
I think the members of JYJ are inured to this kind of nonsense from their fans, honestly. It seems to happen fairly regularly in fact. I think this particular time the whole thing is just so wrong-headed and so astoundingly ignorant of the one fact that seems to me to be the over-riding one: the members of JYJ love and support one another and only want good things for one another. They would NEVER EVER wish to see their brothers bashed by the “One Guy Only” fans who claim to follow them.
Are we really saying here that fans are so out of control and childish, so foolishly hell-bent on destroying each other’s bias that we need The Father/Authority figure C-jeS to come and fix the problem for us?? Really? What does that say about this fandom? What are we — 12 years old??
I agree with @kexion
This feud is not only between random fangirls on the street or between commenters here in JYJ3. This is between Fan Unions of YC and JJ. The Fan Unions for both sides are composed of the most active unions. They are significant part of the major consumers of JYJ products and services, they do more than just buying the products , they go beyond whatever support they could offer to Park Yoochun and Jaejoong. What’s wrong with CJes addressing the misunderstanding between the two Fan Unions when most establishment (at least in my country) has a dropbox for each consumer to write suggestions and grievances. Yes, all those written may not be addressed or even read but at least the voice of consumer is given a chance to be heard). But this is not a matter of individual fans, as I said it’s between Unions. Why is it too hard for Cjes PR team to communicate to those administrators so once and for all rumors, speculations, and misunderstandings are given light. If this feud is inspired or fanned by outside malicious forces, the more Cjes PR team should give action before a severe damage is done within the fandom. I heard YC, JJ and JS individual Baidu bars are now disconnecting each other, so playing deaf and mute just because this is just between fans is I think not a very smart thing to do at this point of time. It must be considered that JYJ’s greatest weapon is their FANS, when will they do action then, when the damage is irreparable?
A YC fan wrote “KJJ, give back the 30 CFs to YC!” and pasted it on a wall of her college. http://pic.twitter.com/VcRhWn0p , yes it is just a childish and pathetic act but we know how media and society are also so childish sometimes. We are in an internet era, accusing Jaejoong for stealing YC’s CFs deal (as if CFs deal is just like candies placed on the table) and various reactions between 2 sides flying around SNS shouldn’t be taken lightly.
I wish J – Y – J could advise their PR team to do some damage control before it’s too late.
btw, Jaejoong Fan Union is composed of Baidu JJ Bar, CielJJ, DC Kim Jaejoong Gallery, Herose, Herowings, MeliteHero, PrinceJJ, SuperheroJJ, Wasure, WorldClassJJ , this is the union who ask Cjes for some statement regarding the issue. They are not just random teenage fangirls, we have read some of their fan projects for Jaejoongs support, is it wrong for them to demand some statement from Cjes PR Team?
Me in the other hand think that CJES should answer
In a responsable way of course, but there are questions that need to be answerd.
What worries me the most is that PFU (is that yoochun fan union name? im not so sure) claim they have official inside information.
And unless CJes say is not true a lot of people can claim it is indeed true
It was a mess created by fans, yes.
But in the end CJES is JYJ compay, and they are the one who should get to deal with things about JYJ, this included.
I do find it shameful that we have so many inside wars, but Im not gonna let people bash one member,spread rumors based on “inside information” (that we dont even know if it is true) and then act like is not happening.
If CJEs promised us in the past to take care of the malicious rumos, they should honor that promise, not ignore it
@Selia
“I do find it shameful that we have so many inside wars, but Im not gonna let people bash one member,spread rumors based on “inside information” (that we dont even know if it is true) and then act like is not happening. ”
Oh, it’s happening. And it’s been happening. I don’t think ~anyone~ here on JYJ3 has been acting like it’s not happening. Not at all. We’ve simply been discussing what the ramifications are of various responses to the situation. Ultimately it’s up to C-jeS to respond or not. It won’t be up to us, of course. And I must say I’m really proud of us here – I think we’ve remained calm and we have a good grasp of the situation and I think we did right from the get-go. Then again, we are not a “one bias only, screw the other two” site.
okay, there are too many comments after my Jun 12 post. I’m not going to respond to each one bcos most of the points that I’d like to make have already been covered by others (check the Jun 13 posts). I wrote one in response to some issues brought up (refer to my Jun 14 post). One more point to clarify is that it should be a statement to major fan unions and fan sites, not to be mistaken for a press release. A carefully worded statement (e.g. omitting specific names but addressing the concerns of the fan unions, esp. with regards to the open lines of communication) will not equip the media with additional arsenal. To end off, thank you all for your measured responses.
So sbs has majority stake in MTV kw… okay thanks for telling me.. it answer everything… sigh…..
Owh that rumor… i just don’t want to think about that now because it’s sooo frustrating..;;
@jj=oxygen
2. So far in what C-Jes has done for JYJ what have you LIKED or felt proud of?
I like the fact that they don’t back down when it comes to doing something. I like the fact they try to do many different aspects of marketing at a time. It’s rare that you find a company that can be appreciative of the small accomplishments just as much as the large. Some Entertainment companies have a tendency to play up the large scale things completely ignoring everything else. This leads to having to exaggerate the news to go bigger. With Cjes if it is a concert with 2,500 or 80,000 it is spoken of in the same terms. It gives the sense that they understand it is often the moves we don’t think will make a ripple that creates waves.
simple words. they bring jyj out to us. regardless of the ways, or the lack of something. they are the medium btw jyj and us.
One question, tho. I’ve always felt like the difference btw cjes and sm is that in sm, jyj was working under them and sm always held the power over their direction (for example, giving each member a certain ‘image’ to show to the public)..now with cjes, it seems like cjes is working FOR jyj. i have a feeling like jyj got the final say in their decisions. how far is this is true? just curious.
@2017questa
“now with cjes, it seems like cjes is working FOR jyj. i have a feeling like jyj got the final say in their decisions. how far is this is true? just curious.”
Many of us here believe that this is precisely the case. That C-jeS works for JYJ and not the other way around as in the SM years..
thus the case.. i find the recent fanwar stupid. jyj have a freedom of say in their activities. if they are content with it, why should we fret?
Forgive my jumbled thoughts below: its been an exhausting day and as I’ve always warned: I write (painfully) slow and I write long (epic fail at editorship). So feel free to skip this if reading rambling disjointed essays give you headaches (I know it certainly gave me a doozy writing this!):—
Apparently emotions are still running high. Since the cyber-disputes arose out of concern over perceived slights to JYJ members, all our protective instincts are understandably in full flight.
Nonetheless as some have commented above: —-no matter HOW or WHAT actually triggered the events that brought these concerns to light—–there are certain battles that can only be resolved by JYJ themselves or C-Jes since complex professional or managerial decisions on multiple levels are entailed. So now that fans have put C-jes (and other fan-sites) on notice by calling it to their attention, unless there are specific, concrete ways that fans can realistically contribute in rectifying the issues, fans really need to allow C-Jes to work on solutions PLUS give them enough space/time to do so (always being mindful of their limited resources).
As seen over the past 2+ years, there has been and always will be many detractors to side-track, sway and even use fans to disseminate mis-information. As emotionally-vested as we are, it is far too easy to ignite our passions through carefully choreographed phrasings or a few careless words in the world of social-media.
Picking apart questionable words/phrases in search of nuanced criticisms will only fuel the flames of resentment. It is easy to forget that with such a diversely multicultural fan-base, misinterpretations and misunderstandings are only all too common.
Difficult as it may be, fans sitting on the sidelines should also refrain from “taking sides” and unwittingly further complicating this difficult situation.
At some point, we all really need to take a deep calming breath, self-reflect and step back to consider The Big Picture. In other words, ask yourselves: As fans, what objectives are we trying to achieve now compared to the Ultimate goals we are trying to help JYJ capture?
Never forget to Keep your eyes on the Prize.
Remember the story about the 2 people simultaneously trying to cross a narrow bridge from opposite ends but failing because neither will conceded to give way to the other? In order for us to make any meaningful progress in putting these cyber-disputes/fan-wars to rest, it will require some fans to initiate generous gestures such as making dedicated, conscious efforts to forgive hurtful words spoken/written out of turn or out of anger. This may mean letting go of injured feelings, forgoing expectations of receiving a public apology from the wrongful party and maybe settling for C-jes improving on their future PR work and communication skills when dealing with the fandom. Bottom line: Wounds cannot heal properly if we keep picking at the scab!
Instead of focusing on our differences, perhaps we could more deliberately highlight our commonalities i.e. the things that brought us all here together despite our differences. Personally, I love JYJ members BECAUSE they are so very different from each other yet they meld together so harmoniously (both musically & professionally). IMHO, no single member is “superior” to the other 2 because they are distinctive individuals with singular talents and personality quirks that make each unique and irreplaceable. Each member holds a special niche in my heart that neither of the other 2 can ever occupy.
Admin has tried valiantly to post articles of individual and group activities but perhaps some fans can learn to open their hearts and widen their perspective to accept all 3 more? It would also be heartening if more tech-savvy lurker-fans increase their visibility here (either by posting more comments/pics or even spazzings). It greatly saddened me to see the exodus of some member-biased fans away from JYJ3 postings lately. Maybe life’s keeping them too busy to do more than lurk; or maybe some felt disenchanted with perceived injustices and they’ve since decided to migrate to their-bias-only sites. All I can say is I honestly miss their familiar voices because just like their bias-JYJ members, these fans also have unique voices and personalities that brought added color and balance to this site—-a website dedicated to ALL 3 JYJ members. In the same way that I love JYJ members’ interaction/synergy with one another, I enjoy the same interactions/synergy of member-biased fans with other fans (both member-biased and group). I feel the void from their withdrawal acutely.
Admin can only do so much. Granted Mia and company did a phenomenal job setting up and maintaining the skeletal construct of JYJ3. At the end, it still falls on the shoulders of fans (who not only visit but actively participate here on JYJ3) to eventually breathe life into and give form/direction/soul to this site.
Remember this axiom: whatever helps any single JYJ-member will also benefit the other 2 and the JYJ-unit; likewise whatever damages one will hurt the other 2 and the JYJ-unit. Tear one down and as in synch as they are to one other, the other 2 may soon follow whether it be done out of loyalty, love and/or association.
Recklessly advertising our fandom’s discord throughout cyberspace is foolhardy as we may inadvertently erase any goodwill the general public has already built up towards JYJ. In business and in traditional societies (eg Korea/Japan where JYJ has been fighting to regain their footholds), Goodwill means everything:- its an “earned” asset that sells merchandise, secures long-term commercial loyalty and influences public opinions.
C-Jes is far from perfect but it is still a necessary key ally in JYJ’s fight. Meaningful critiques and constructive criticisms will definitely help JYJ/C-jes grow and evolve, but perhaps we also need to re-evaluate the manner in which we convey information to the them?
Fixing this is going to take ALL of us. What’s done is done and we can’t change the past. However, we can change the future by putting these senseless fan-wars to rest if we ALL agree to let past resentments go and unite in our mutual support for JYJ.
It may seem insurmountable but I believe we’re mature enough to overcome these hurdles and because most of us WANT to rise above it to put it behind us already.
I always feel that what makes our fandom so unique is how the fans reflect JYJ in resourcefulness, courage, intelligence and (mental) maturity.
Look at how each JYJ member constantly vocalizes support for other members’ activities on twitter and in interviews. NO public demonstration of sniping or passive-aggressive undermining tactics has ever been witnessed amongst the 3 men themselves.
Perhaps we can all take a leaf from their page and learn how to better conduct ourselves with grace. Its a long journey we’re traveling on with JYJ; we must learn to empathize and get along if we hope to ever arrive at our final destination.
Last: unlike idols/artists with big companies as their backup, JYJ-fans in a very organic way, truly affect and foreshadow JYJ (singly or as a group)’s ultimate success-survival in the unjust K-music/J-music industries.
We fans hold tremendous power and must learn to wield it wisely, lest it all comes back to threaten JYJ, the very artists whom we profess to respect, love and support.
Under NO circumstances must we ever allow our fandom to be turned into the Trojan Horse that destroy JYJ.
@livingfree1
Can I give you a standing ovation please? & a hug? I esp love your point that anything hurtful/damaging to one member of JYJ is hurtful/damaging to all three members, & to JYJ as a unit. Something fans need to keep in mind. Something you can be sure that those 1 bias only fans who want to see their bias go solo permanently, definitely keep in mind.
@livingfree1
“At some point, we all really need to take a deep calming breath, self-reflect and step back to consider The Big Picture. In other words, ask yourselves: As fans, what objectives are we trying to achieve now compared to the Ultimate goals we are trying to help JYJ capture?”
First, can I join my sis Sapphie in giving you one hell of a standing o? You deserve it, sister! HUGS from me too!
Second, it just breaks my heart when certain fans/fan-groups forget the reason WHY each member of JYJ even does these solo activities in the first place. Pretty much every time they’ve done these things, they’ve made the point that they are trying to use solo activities to keep the JYJ name out there since they are SO BLOCKED when doing activities as JYJ. They’ve all said, on MANY occasions, that they would love NOTHING BETTER than to be singers as JYJ always. But they can’t, because SoMe douchebag company has a teeny bit of a mental problem =P so as i’ve said before in my “what I love about cjes” comment, they engaged themselves in other activities to keep their names and the name of JYJ out there in the public eye. Every time, for wahtever it is: Yuchun gets an acting award or has a drama fan signing or Junsu gets an award for his musical activities or releases his album or Jaejoong does a fan meet or releases a movie, how is the news preported? So-and-so OF JYJ is doing X, Y, and Z. To the fans that are prolonging the fanwars, please understand that THAT IS THEIR GOAL!!! No matter what, they are trying to gather exising and new fans for JYJ! They say it all the time! Please, for the love of God and JYJ, why can’t that be seen?!?
@livingfree1 ~ Thank you so much for writing this; I wholeheartedly agree.
@ vingfree1 omg this is so long but here goes imo….
“Nonetheless as some have commented above: —-no matter HOW or WHAT actually triggered the events that brought these concerns to light—–there are certain battles that can only be resolved by JYJ themselves or C-Jes since complex professional or managerial decisions on multiple levels are entailed. So now that fans have put C-jes (and other fan-sites) on notice by calling it to their attention, unless there are specific, concrete ways that fans can realistically contribute in rectifying the issues, fans really need to allow C-Jes to work on solutions PLUS give them enough space/time to do so (always being mindful of their limited resources). ”
You see this is precisely the reason JFU is so mad right now. Whenever they have written a letter of concern to Cjes no matter what it is, they have gotten back a standard brush-off letter stating that to answer that they were “invading management rights” even though they weren’t about the events themselves but on the problems during it etc… Basically they were doing what we all said should be done, and the right way as one entity instead of flooding the inbox. And they were told in really nice language to shove off.
Now here comes YC’s FU. They have a concern, and they also go to Cjes for an answer. Not only do they get an answer, but the speed in which it was done was brow rising. The issue really involved 3 people, but instead of cjes issuing an official statement, they just tell that one FU something without addressing and clearing up the misconceptions about the other two. Because they only answered one part of the question and didn’t issue an official statement, the FU in question was allowed to filter the information anyway they wanted which in turn lead to this mess.
But the real rub is as you stated this thing clearly involves ” complex professional or managerial decisions on multiple levels”, so according to the letters JFU has been getting back, no one in cjes should have been issuing any answers at all. At this point its clear PFU was talking to someone in cjes like they claim. How much is exaggerated we don’t know because cjes has yet to say anything. The quickest way for cjes to kill this thing was to come out immediately and say that no one within cjes talked to them because it involves “invading management rights”. But they didn’t, and saying that after the fact would be stupid.
This is why I said cjes can’t ignore this because there was a level of officiality brought up with the statement that needs to be addressed. They can’t ignore that aspect because it would confirm the idea that there really is a disparity on how they handle and respond to Fan Uniouns depending on who the FU represents. If they don’t acknowledge and answer the JFU, when there is clear evidence that they do in fact answer those kinds of questions for another FU then never mind a war. This thing is going nuclear, and there will be no one to blame for it but cjes.
This dynamic has been going on for a while with cjes and them, and they didn’t say anything because it was presented as a hard and fast rule. But to hear that isn’t the case and cjes was ignoring them is why JFU took the stance they did.
The first letter was just about getting a clarification on whether YC’s FU actually spoke to the manager, and to clear up the misconception involving Jae since he was getting the brunt of it. That letter was ignored, so they sent a second letter clearly outlining what they want cleared up and why. What they are asking for is what cjes should have done from the start quite frankly. After everything that has happened for the past year, if cjes ignores this letter too, it will be a big mistake. JFU is serious about these things. Someone in the company needs to get into contact with JFU, because this will not go away. They are really mad about the way cjes has handled this, and considering some of the concerns was about their slow reaction time in public relations response to rumors about jae, the fact that yc’s involvement was cleared up but jae and junsu was left on the line is a major issue.
Instead of the ceo erasing his twitter account and Monica fielding questions on twitter from different fans they should have been in the office writing up a statement yesterday. The stance from JFU is not all about what happened yesterday, but is a long time in the making. It would be a mistake for cjes to think they can just ignore this, and the longer they take to answer back the worse it will be. I’ve decided to sit back and watch to see if they will finally get that their leeway on this is over, and act with urgency.
“Meaningful critiques and constructive criticisms will definitely help JYJ/C-jes grow and evolve, but perhaps we also need to re-evaluate the manner in which we convey information to the them?”
This is why JFU is so upset. All of this time they have been doing it the right way through one source, and in a letter to the parties involved meaning cjes. In all of this time they have not spoken on the frustration with the responses or the fact that they weren’t getting any answers. They were doing what everyone says should be done in the way they wished it was handled, to then have this thrown in their face, and on top of that the malicious rumor about jae was allowed to linger when it could have been cleared up by now is too much. It frankly is too much to ask them to sweep it under the rug, and it is not going to happen. This was a while in the making so frankly speaking cjes will have to handle it quickly if they want to salvage anything.
@Jaeftw
“Now here comes YC’s FU. They have a concern, and they also go to Cjes for an answer. Not only do they get an answer, but the speed in which it was done was brow rising. The issue really involved 3 people, but instead of cjes issuing an official statement, they just tell that one FU something without addressing and clearing up the misconceptions about the other two. Because they only answered one part of the question and didn’t issue an official statement, the FU in question was allowed to filter the information anyway they wanted which in turn lead to this mess.”
How are you so absolutely certain of this very key fact: that it has been absolutely confirmed that someone spoke to a manager at C-jeS? Because without this being true, the whole house of cards falls over.
You like to talk about the “bigger picture,” so why don’t you also apply that here? It’s no longer the specific case where whether someone has spoken to a manager or an employee at C-JeS, it’s the fact that PFU was so fast to receive a response from C-JeS for their concerns while JFU was to basically told to back off every time they formally sent a letter to C-JeS to address what they saw as problems arising a mist Jaejoong’s activities and to wish C-JeS would fix them, that makes JFU angry. I quote this from the announcement issued by PFU:
“1) The solo commercial film.
Regarding the commercial film, specific details cannot be disclosed in public and only key matters will be clarified.
C-JeS confirmed that there has been a number of offerings to PYC. C-JeS admitted that there have been some problems on the key matters but this is a sensitive issue to reveal in public so your kind understanding will be appreciated.
C-JeS ensured that there will be no problem in solo commercial film from now on.”
Doesn’t this prove enough that PFU indeed could get in contact with and receive response from C-JeS? Don’t tell me how we can believe this statement because for a Fan Union that consist of several big and active fansites to officially post it, it’s already had a weight of its own and the followers of this FU will trust it.
@Angie
” it’s the fact that PFU was so fast to receive a response from C-JeS for their concerns while JFU was to basically told to back off every time they formally sent a letter to C-JeS to address what they saw as problems arising a mist Jaejoong’s activities and to wish C-JeS would fix them, that makes JFU angry.”
Yes, yes, I do understand that – really I do. But the BIG PICTURE, for me anyway, is all about the fact that fans, whether individually, in small groups or big unions should not feel that it is somehow their right to insinuate themselves into JYJ’s business simply because they are fans. This I believe is a fallacy and I also believe that C-jeS does not subscribe to this belief of theirs.
C-jeS, I believe, operates via the understanding that JYJ themselves direct the course of this enterprise;C-jeS is charged with carrying out their orders. Until one of the members (or all three) tell me different, this is what I will believe. IN OTHER WORDS: if you don’t like something C-jeS is doing, blame JYJ. Castigate and defame THEM. No? You don’t want to? Either do I! I think they are doing the best they can and I think they are doing just fine, without the unasked for direction and demands of the fan unions.
@lilibaiyu
The big picture is if that’s the stance cjes is going to take, then they should be just as diligent in applying it to every FU not just some. Because otherwise it’s just a smokescreen to throw up whenever you don’t want to deal with something and not something you truly believe as a company.
@lilibaiyu
If fans see problems, flaws, or mistakes arising during JYJ’s activities and speak up about them, it’s because they care. For fans to gather their voices and formally send a letter to the company to point out their concerns and how they think the company should fix those, it’s not because fans hate or bash said company, it’s because they want the company to do things better and help JYJ more efficiently next time. I remember clearly that here in JYJ3, we wanna give suggestions to C-JeS as well. In the last ODP, we even talked about making a list and sending them to C-JeS. Do we, as I make out from your comment, also “insinuate” ourselves into JYJ’s business? What you said only hold true to the acgaes that made up all these rumors, or who whined and made a fuss about the cancellation of some of YC’s CF offers although they don’t know what actually happened. It’s not the case with JFU’s issuing the letter of inquiry. It’s bad for a company’s business if its customers have a perception that it treats certain customers differently from the rest.
I do know the business relationship between C-JeS and JYJ. However, just because C-JeS work for JYJ doesn’t mean they’re always right and we can’t point out their mistakes. If we want good things for JYJ, do not cover up C-JeS’ incompetency when the situation calls for. Let them know so they can improve. Communication is what C-JeS is lacking. It needs to have a proper PR department asap to handle fans’ questions and concerns, communication with the press, and most importantly, fast and timely reaction should bad scandal or rumors arise. Moreover, shouldn’t all companies listen and take note of customers’ complaints and concerns about the way they operate?
@jaettw
“The big picture is if that’s the stance cjes is going to take, then they should be just as diligent in applying it to every FU not just some. Because otherwise it’s just a smokescreen to throw up whenever you don’t want to deal with something ”
Yes, I completely agree with you there.
“Never forget to Keep your eyes on the Prize.” THIS! Thank you for stating it so clearly.
For me, the ONLY important thing is JYJ being free of SME. Having that hearing come and go, and the judgment reading – the aforementioned exclusive contract between JYJ and SME (nest of vipers) is here and now declared NULL & VOID.
My personal feelings are not in play here. I’m hoping that consensus will prevail in the end.
According to this, allegedly contact has been made with both the YC & JJ fan sites by JYJ’s group manager (formerly YC’s manager) but fans are still demanding more action… *_*
http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/post/24941413228/manager-made-contact-with-fans-about-cf-issue
@dbullock
It’s about time. I think the suggestion made there is the best way to handle it, but I can understand why some thinks it will not be enough. That’s what happens when you are not pushing yourself in front of the story. I really hope cjes learns from this about loosely given words from someone of authority and reaction speed.
@dbullock
“http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/post/24941413228/manager-made-contact-with-fans-about-cf-issue”
Yeah, I read through “the list of Demands” by the JFU. Geez, people. *rolls eyes* It wasn’t exactly polite or diplomatic, was it? My Mom had a saying, “You can attract more flies with honey than vinegar.” [Hey,10 Points for me in the Typo Wars! I just wrote "hiney" instead of "honey" and come to think of it, I guess that's true too. lol]
Really, I can’t imagine what they think they will accomplish in the way of “increased access” to C-jeS with that letter….
@lilibaiyu
That’s what I don’t get about this whole thing. JFU have been using so much honey that the hive is dry, and nothing. The first time they use vinegar and bingo something happens. Cjes is not sending the right message. Maybe this is the wakeup call they needed.
@jaeftw
“That’s what I don’t get about this whole thing. JFU have been using so much honey that the hive is dry, and nothing. The first time they use vinegar and bingo something happens.”
Well…….. *sigh*….. it wouldn’t be the first time I guess that a kick in the pants got action where a carefully worded and gentle prod did nothing… I just think this whole thing is so alien to what JYJ, who they are and the enjoyment of their various talents should really be about. But that’s neither here nor there. Those are my feelings about it and I’m way too grown up to believe that C-jeS is awash with mentalists who are reading my mind…
oh, and lol at hiney
@jaeftw
lolol Perfect, right?
@lilibaiyu
kekekekeke yep
@My VE Sister
“hiney” huh? Nice.
Typos ‘R US is our middle name here.
I checked out @hellothrice as well. Nicely delineated. I’m guessing there is not going to be much that can done to eleviate the hostility. Win-win does not seem to be on the agenda, sad to say.
@BAFfie
““hiney” huh? Nice. Typos ‘R US is our middle name here.”
Oh, I am SOOO collecting those 10 points!!
Re: the Statement From Hell: I totally agree — the diplomatic corps went home in a huff over that one. Not designed to make lasting friends or create an on-going, productive dialogue but maybe that’s not what they’re after. Maybe this is a one off. A take-no-prisoners, a burn-the-bridges-after-you-cross kind of deal. Sure seems that way to me.
I think this is the best thing to do :
” If anything at all, I think C-JeS should ask for fan sites to issue a notice to be shared amongst fans that will once and for all clear Jaejoong’s name, address the CF rumors, and warn of the actions that will be taken in the future should false accusations be made again. ”
That’s why it’s so important for Cjes to address Fan Unions (compose of so many fansites) concern. How could the fansites issue a notice to their members if Cjes PR Team will not give light to the controversy? Baidu JJ Bar, CielJJ, DC Kim Jaejoong Gallery, Herose, Herowings, MeliteHero, PrinceJJ, SuperheroJJ, Wasure, WorldClassJJ ( each fansites has a significant number of followers) join their voices to send to Cjes, I think it’s not fair to just ignore them. How about YC Fan Unions, each fansites should also give light to their followers so as to stop maligning Jaejoong’s reputation.
@kris
I totally agree.
@jaeftw
And I don’t understand why some people consider JFU actions offensive to Cjes. JFU are consumers, Cjes is the management company of JYJ which offers goods and services. It doesn’t have to give in to JFU’s demands regarding management matters but at least Cjes has to communicate/listen to the joint voices of JFU. Is it right to a management to play deaf and mute to their consumers (and we’re not talking about hundreds but thousands represented by each fansites administrators). Whether it’s favorable or unfavorable, as long as there’s a response. To criticize, suggest or demand don’t mean to be an anti Cjes. I think it’s only a matter of proper communication between JFU CJes PR Team PYFU can solve this mess.
@kris
“To criticize, suggest or demand don’t mean to be an anti Cjes. I think it’s only a matter of proper communication between JFU CJes PR Team PYFU can solve this mess.”
Yes, i agree, but I don’t think “proper communication” has occurred yet (either apparently does C-jeS) and until that happens there seems to be more and more of a stand-off between JFU and C-jeS. I think that JFU have to realize that whatever they are doing in terms of their communication style – it’s NOT working. At least it’s not if they want different results.
@kris
CJes is in a no-win situation which I can freely admit is a good bit of their own doing although you might could say that it’s part of that learning curve they’re dealing with… I know in their mission statement they talk about “pursuing transparency” but that can bite you in ass if you don’t have some boundaries set.
Personally I do think they’ve tried to work with fans to answer questions honestly… perhaps a bit carelessly in that maybe they got more comfortable talking to some fansites than others and it didn’t really occur to them that they were lighting the fuse on a time bomb.
If it were my company, my policy up front would have been something like (this is where a good PR person, which I am not, comes in):
“We want to thank the fans for their continued love & support of JYJ blah blah blah. We will continue to work hard for JYJ and you in order to provide the best blah blah. We welcome your suggestions, feedback blah blah and will work to address those issues in a timely and appropriate manner however, to avoid situations which may be subject to or the cause of misinterpretation or misunderstandings between ourselves, JYJ and their fans, we will not be able to share or discuss internal business-related matters regarding JYJ or the individual members which are both private and confidential in nature with their fans and/or respective fan sites. We ask that you please blah blah blah… yadda yadda yadda.”
Maybe they can come up with some way to have a registration of websites that they officially communicate with who receive the same communications or press releases by email when they have something to announce and put a how to do that in there too.
It will be hell introducing a policy like this (and they need to be real strict about sticking to it if they do), but I honestly don’t know how they cannot do it and continue to deal with these kinds of issues coming up over & over again in the future.
Gee whiz!! It has been more than 4 days and some people here still can’t seemed to let go of this CjeS ‘bashing’ and what this company should or should not do. CjeS has bigger things on their plate such as the impending lawsuit hearing, the organisation of the coming JYJ fan events, Junsu’s concerts as well as other JYJ upcoming activities.
Let’s look at the bigger picture and move on, shall we? PEACE!
To complain is not equivalent to bashing as far as I know. How many minutes will it take to draft and e-mail a letter to JFU, favorable or unfavorable, only a reply is mostly desired.
@kris
That’s the crazy part of this whole thing. What JFU is asking for when you break it down is what should have been issued in a PR statement two days ago. This isn’t rocket science here, its standard PR. What’s that saying you only get one bite at the apple. Cjes first shot at addressing this fell painfully short. Now they are chasing the story, instead of being a head of it in order to hopefully steer it to where they want it to go.
Support JFU…actually they just want the fairness, the explanation to clean the mess…they used the most calmest way to express their concern. It is also for the peaceful within the JYJ fandoms…we all want C-JeS to improve, we are not antis of C-JeS, everyone, please read the inquiry carefully…
@emily
I did read it carefully. But “We Demand, We Demand We Demand” seemed to come up a time or two too often. For me, I would feel an adversarial vibe, full of arrogant entitlement based I suppose on how big they are and how many fans they represent. The threat to JYJ is fairly obvious… “Do it our way or we will withdraw out support.” The reality may be much different of course, but the hostility was evident.
My point is that I just don’t see them getting what they want with this tactic. That’s all. It’s very ‘results based’, my feelings on the subject.
Sorry that I am not good in English, I dunno whether it is the translation matter, I just read the Japanese version and Korean version (the one sent to C-JeS), they used “볅혀야 한다” and “明らかにしなければならない”, “has to clarify” in English
@emily
I really hope something was lost in translation as you say because when I read it, I had the same reaction as @lilibaiyu. It sounded very harsh and threatening.
@lilibaiyu, @dbullock
actually, the language they used is formal, calm and polite….i can’t see any threatening in the letter, i mean in kor and jap ver.
Thank you @emily. That’s comforting to know.
@lilibaiyu
It was supposed to be that way. After trying it the nice way time and time again only to be ignored, this was the last straw. They were no longer being nice about it. It’s not like they risked losing some cooperation from cjes considering they were rebuffed when JFU offered a suggestion or inquired about something. This goes back to what I posted a while back about Jae fans holding in a lot of things, in order to keep the peace and not venting. They weren’t being heard or taken seriously before, and the letter was to put it into very blunt language that if this thing with Jae was left to linger then JFU would do what they felt they had to regardless of what cjes said later. I think the problem is that people think that JFU is bluffing or exaggerating because it’s not like them to go this far, but I’m here to tell ya that is not the case. When you consider everything that has been going on they are fully prepared.
I think the word demand is tripping people up, but I think it was used as request. And it mostly talked about the clarifying and cleaning it up.
@jaeftw
“It was supposed to be that way. After trying it the nice way time and time again only to be ignored, this was the last straw. They were no longer being nice about it.”
Oh, yes. I got that.
Well, OK, I know you feel passionate about this and it’s not my intention to try to tell you I know better than you. I respect you and I respect your assessment of the situation. But once again, I guess I just feel that this way of going about it will not get the JFU what they want, even if what they want is just and is needed.
@lilibaiyu
I got you, If this wasn’t already affecting Jae in Korea, and china in a negative way I don’t think I would be as sure footed. Originally I didn’t want JFU to also issue a statement for the very reasons you stated. But the truth of the matter is he was being trashed, and it wasn’t just a couple of bad seeds doing it too. I don’t think cjes would have even did this much if JFU hadn’t worded the letter like that. After a couple of days and no word it looked like they were going to ignore the effects the statement had on Jae’s rep. If they allow the rumor to repeat and the statement to stand and don’t offer any rebuttal then it might as well be truth.
some people here dont understand how serious the situation is. do you know how jae reputation in china has been damaged? do you know what did Park Yoochun fans don to him? they bash him publicly on china Baidu bar. they wrote “KJJ, give back the 30 CFs to YC!” and pasted it on a wall of her college. http://pic.twitter.com/VcRhWn0p.(this is not the only one. they spread that rumour as if its a fact on all the JYJ fansite. they mention jaejoong ask him to appologize and to give bask those mo CF to yoochun…
you know nothing then just shut up, please. JFU do nothing wrong. they just ask for an answer from cjes, they just ask for fairness. and bashing cjes? dont you guys remember what we have been trough? who do you love? the company or the artist? read some comment here, i thought i am reading SM town defending SM =.=
@no
This is the real problem and probably why some want a public statement. Jae has been bashed in some very public places based off of PYFU’s statement. That’s why JFU is responding the way they are.
Then JFU and PYFU need to talk to each other and figure out what the hell actually happened and come up with a solution. If CJes were to make a public statement, do you realize what kind of negative effects it would have on JYJ? Not only would it cause more issues within the fandom but it will definitely make it to the news with the intent on ruining their reputation. Not only that more people will not want to work with JYJ because their fans are “crazy” ( I know we aren’t all crazy but there will be that kind of judgement if CJes decides to make a statement on this whole scenario). Heck, I will be surprised if CJes, and Monica still decide to work with them when this whole scenario blows over. You can’t expect CJes to get involved in every single petty fanwar that happens, it’s just not possible. Fans have to deal with it themselves through diplomatic means. I have my complaints about CJes to like everyone else but if people want to make an impact on what they do why not get together all the different fansites and try to make some kind of formal letter explaining what needs to be changed. Just having JFU do it isn’t going to be enough. Get Yoochun fans, Junsu fans, and even unbiased JYJ fans together and figure something out together.
@alison
They don’t need to figure out what happened because they have already done that. What your leaving out of this equation is the fact that cjes had already injected themselves into this. JFU is asking them to clarify what was said and absolve Jae. They are asking cjes to clean up a mess cjes and PYFU helped make. JFU had nothing to do with it initially. That’s why they are asking cjes to handle it considering they made the mess to begin with. If this had been left as a rumor from the start, then it could have been dismissed within the fandom. But once cjes got involved, it doesn’t matter that it wasn’t an official statement, once anyone in a position of authority talked to PYFU then it affectively came from cjes. That’s how business works and cjes don’t get to be the exception to the rule when it comes to that fact. Cjes as a company was careless in responding when the issue first came up and now has to take responsibility for it.
In my opinion, if PFU had any decency or cared about JYJ at all, they would have found out who started the bad rumors and prevented them from being spread with such speed. After all, this mess was originated from their circle. They don’t care if some YC’s only fans or acgaes or whatever bash the shit out of Jaejoong because, well, they’re not Jaejoong’s/JYJ’s fans. When Jaejoong’s fans are ticked off and want to take actions, PFU then announce “well, it’s the antis doing” then brush their hands off. Besides, JFU mainly have problems with C-JeS, not PFU, thus, the letter of inquiry is sent to C-JeS. What’s the use of the company’s PR staff if they can’t even come up with an explanation that can clarify the matters to both parties involved without being too revealing or vulnerable to media attention? If C-JeS actually cared enough to handle this in a professional way sooner, the problem would have been settled already and nothing would blow over. It’s no longer a petty fan war. Malicious attack has been aimed at an artist of the company, shouldn’t it respond to protect said artist’s reputation? You’re so worried that C-JeS’ offical announcement will attract media attention, but you seem to forget that word of mouths are even more scary. What if these rumors caught media attention first and they contacted C-JeS to ask? It’d be one hell of explanation and clarification to do then. What will be more damaging? A good management company will know when to respond to fans and when to leave it the fans to settle, not always assuming that fans can make it among themselves and they don’t need to involve.
@Angie
Angie quotes…….“If PFU had any decency or cared about JYJ at all, they would have found out who started the bad rumors and prevented them from being spread with such speed. After all, this mess was originated from their circle. “…..
My POV….I agree with your post. If PFU starts the fight, that fandom should step up and take responsibility in correcting their bad deed. They should make an apology to JJ and JFU directly, they shouldn’t ask Yoochun’s manager to clean up their malignant rumors for their fandom, and leave JJ’s image and his fans confused about all the things that have taken place. JFU has been very nicely asked for a clear answer on this matter from PFU and CJes (Because of Yoochun’s manager statement…here is Hello123 quotes: “…Yoochun’s manager, who is now known to manage JYJ as a group, has confirmed that the CF issue had no relation to Jaejoong at all…. “
Now its PFU’s turn to show their sincerity and not try to control the damage that they have done it in the first place through a third party.
JFU has been very diplomatic in making their voice be heard, If PFU uses a third party to clean up their name why can’t JFU do the same thing? It’s a fair game. So let’s be fair. Yoochun’s manager made the mistake of clarifying that rumor too quickly for the benefit of PFU without thinking of CJes’ or JJ’s reputation after this. I know JJ will not mind because he is a nice person. But CJes is in a hard place. Neither silence nor speaking out is good for CJes.
So now the answer is on PFU. Correct their fandom’s mistake in a sincere way to JFU.
I think we *DO* realize how serious this situation is. Please step back and look at what you are asking people to do… you think it should be clear that JJ is the victim and JJ stans are blameless. YC stans think they are faultless and everyone should side with them.
Oh boy! According to you we only need choose 1 member to stand behind, bash the hell out of the other one and that’ll settle everything… NOT!
Take the blinders off for a minute. There are 3 members in JYJ and NONE of them had anything to do with this fiasco created by fans, stans, anti-fans or even CJes since you want them included in this.
It is insulting to the 3 members that any person or stans for one minute thinks Jaejoong or Yuchun would condone fans fighting, choosing sides or bashing CJes and each other to defend their honor & reputations under ANY circumstance.
What you are preaching is not fairness and love. It is blame and revenge.
*IamcontrollingmyangerasmuchasIpossiblycanwritingthis*
ok, i think you are just like those SM fans huh? you are one of the fans who herose reply. continue deffend cjes huh? just let you know JFU dot not bash the hell out of YC but its the opposite, the other side dose.
@no
I’m not going to engage in the argument you appear to want to have any longer. I can see that I will not convince you to think any differently and you will be just as unsuccessful as I to bring me around to your way of thinking.
@djb
TRUTH. Honestly, fan wars are between fans – I hate to see the fans begin to drag this to JYJ themselves. None of them said anything about this incident, nor should they be involved. I think it is precisely that some fans begin to include JYJ members into the flaming that this fanwar has escalated to such a degree. It’s a vicious cycle because as soon as one side starts, the other side will continue.
@no
It’s not about defending C-jes or SM or whatnot. It’s about holding a little bit of respect for JYJ and keeping our honor as JYJ fans. If everyone becomes so irrational, this fanbase cannot carry on strongly, and who does this hurt? None other than JYJ themselves.
The problem now is that JFU seems to be the aggressor, eyes and fingers are pointing at them for escalating the problem,and it seems no one is talking about who started the fire and continually damaging Jaejoong’s image.
What if there’s really a Jae’s CF on the making with his own merit and has nothing to do with that rumored turned down YC’s Cfs. Even our own fellow JYJ Fans who will be watching that CF will have a big question mark in their mind and that will put Jae into the most disadvantageous position, thanks to author of that rumor and thanks Cjes PR team for remaining silent.
@kris
“What if there’s really a Jae’s CF on the making with his own merit and has nothing to do with that rumored turned down YC’s Cfs. Even our own fellow JYJ Fans who will be watching that CF will have a big question mark in their mind and that will put Jae into the most disadvantageous position, thanks to author of that rumor and thanks Cjes PR team for remaining silent.”
This!!!!!
Is it just me or is this less about CF controversy and more about the enormous egos of fans, and those egos seem to be exponentially inflated when conglomerated into a fan union?
Fan Union A: Look, look, we have insider information about the CF deals which is 100% true because we say so and that’s how the world works. Ha ha, to all the others who have never had contact, we got the company to talk to us even though they have zero history of ever doing something like this. You believe me, right? And we had to do this bc Yuchun is not a grown adult who can decide what he wants to do and there must be some evil conspiracy afoot!
Fan Union B: What? That’s not fair! We’ve never gotten a response before and you guys got it so quickly, that’s not suspicious at all and we believe it to be 100% true. We’re stomping off to make more DEMANDS cause this is totally unacceptable and we want to blow the ridiculous situation way out of proportion. And we do this bc JJ is not a full grown adult who can decide what he wants to do and there must be an evil conspiracy afoot!
Me belonging to the Union of JYJ: What the eff is all this noise? I’m having flashbacks to when an overprotective mother came to school demanding an explanation for why the leed role in a play was given to someone other than her kid.
And now some people are comparing CjeS to SM!!! Really?! Really?!!! My mind is completely blown. Aren’t we supposed to be the rational fans?
Definition of RUMOR from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
Are people forgetting this is all just rumor? Speculation from fans and fans reacting to said speculation? For the love of all that is JYJ, can we stop the cycle of circular logic? And if you really are just stating you’re opinion, then the correct verbage would be “I would like if such and such happened” or “I think doing such and such would the best course of action,” for those that are doing so like @kris, I applaud your sensibility. Saying “they must”, “they have to”, and “we demand” is not stating an opinion, it’s a threat, and implies a great consequence should they not follow said action.
CjeS is NOT a PR company, they manage the CAREERS of JYJ. IF JYJ really had a problem with something going on, wouldn’t they speak up? Have we ever known any member to be shy about their feelings? To be weak in their careers? And if the members of JYJ are copasetic, why aren’t the fans?!
@mkverse
My fear exactly. I just took a trip around Jaejoong and Yoochun’s Baidu bars, and honestly this fanwar has escalated beyond the point of simply about CFs. People are dragging out things from years ago and pointing their fingers that incidents that may not mean anything at all. If the Chinese fans are already so wrapped up about it, and believing everything posted on the net (especially the so-called rumor initially) is true, I can’t imagine how it is at the Kr sites.
In addition, a lot of cn fans are now attacking only because the other fans flamed them – this emotional turmoil has really clouded a lot of them and making this fandom as unstable as ever.
My feeling, and perhaps my biggest fear right now, is that even after this CF event settles (ie, someone clarifies, or time reveals the truth), this fanwar won’t stop. Because through all these flaming that is happening, there are so much more things to hold onto that can be further fight about.
Ugh, anyway, all the best to the boys.
oh, you brave soul! I refuse to step one foot in there, after seeing what was going on when this first exploded, I decided I couldn’t handle any more.
What really attracts me to JYJ, aside from the outrageous talent and unreal looks, is their brotherhood, and that’s what attracted me to this fandom as well. I mean, I don’t think they live in each other’s pockets or anything, but I do believe that they genuinely love and support one another, a lot of groups just fake it and you can tell it’s fake. They remind me of the brotherhood in Shinhwa. The reason Shinhwa left SM was because SM wanted to resign only some of the members of Shinhwa and they said “f u, if you don’t take all of us, you’re not taking any of us” and they walked away. So I kind of see JYJ that way too, if someone wasn’t accepting one member of JYJ, they would just say “f u” and walk away, together.
But this war…I don’t see it stopping either.
@mkverse wheew, this is another long one, sorry
1.) ” Is it just me or is this less about CF controversy and more about the enormous egos of fans, and those egos seem to be exponentially inflated when conglomerated into a fan union?”
Umm, no. in fact the other day some people on this very board was discussing doing the same thing the FU did. Giving suggestions and asking questions through a single source instead of individually flooding their email. So I don’t see how what they did as inflated ego.
2.) ” Fan Union A: Look, look, we have insider information about the CF deals which is 100% true because we say so and that’s how the world works. Ha ha, to all the others who have never had contact, we got the company to talk to us even though they have zero history of ever doing something like this. You believe me, right? And we had to do this bc Yuchun is not a grown adult who can decide what he wants to do and there must be some evil conspiracy afoot!”
I didn’t read any of that tone in PYFU statement. Not anywhere did I get the sense that they were gloating. It was pretty straight forward.
3.) ” Fan Union B: What? That’s not fair! We’ve never gotten a response before and you guys got it so quickly, that’s not suspicious at all and we believe it to be 100% true. We’re stomping off to make more DEMANDS cause this is totally unacceptable and we want to blow the ridiculous situation way out of proportion. And we do this bc JJ is not a full grown adult who can decide what he wants to do and there must be an evil conspiracy afoot!”
Initially they didn’t know so they asked cjes. And got nothing so what was they supposed to surmise from that. Again what JFU was originally asking for was something cjes should have already done at that point from a pr perspective. The reason it was needed was because Jae was getting hammered from the PYFU statement. Herose screen captured some of the tweets and posts as well as others helped gather them to send to cjes to alert them of just how big and bad it had already gotten at that point. JJ being a grown man and his decisions had nothing to do with the situation at hand or was it the reason for JFU’s letter.
4.) “Definition of RUMOR from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth ”
The source of the statement was PYCFU, the authority for its truth was claimed to be Cjes. At this point all was asked of cjes is if they did indeed talk to PYFU, and if so what was said so everyone is clear on what is going on. All was required is yes or no, and if yes repeat it so that everyone is on the same page going forward. You don’t need a press release for that. An email would have done it.
5.)” Are people forgetting this is all just rumor? Speculation from fans and fans reacting to said speculation? For the love of all that is JYJ, can we stop the cycle of circular logic?”
It stopped being a rumor and speculation once the PYFU statement was put up. Perception is everything, and that gave the rumor a legitimacy it didn’t have before. That was all it took, from the time it was posted around 1am in the morning for the rest of the day it was being spread worldwide. The statement legitimized it to the point that no one was even talking about the initial rumor anymore but on PYFU’s statement and what it meant.
6.) ” And if you really are just stating you’re opinion, then the correct verbage would be “I would like if such and such happened” or “I think doing such and such would the best course of action,” for those that are doing so like @kris, I applaud your sensibility. Saying “they must”, “they have to”, and “we demand” is not stating an opinion, it’s a threat, and implies a great consequence should they not follow said action.”
I don’t know about anyone else, but I prefaced my initial post with imo. And what I say is my opinion for the simple fact that I am the one posting it, and I don’t claim to have any authority on jyj or cjes. I just call it as I see it. But I do say “they must” and “they have to” because for certain things I feel that cjes must do them. I think cjes not doing certain things is hurting JYJ so that’s why I use those terms. Even so it’s still my opinion if I think cjes has to do this or that. As far as the” we demand” I have already talked about that so I won’t go into it again.
6.) “CjeS is NOT a PR company, they manage the CAREERS of JYJ. IF JYJ really had a problem with something going on, wouldn’t they speak up? Have we ever known any member to be shy about their feelings? To be weak in their careers? And if the members of JYJ are copasetic, why aren’t the fans?!”
I’m going to completely disagree with you here. Cjes is a agency, part of their duties as a agency is PR. In order to be an effective agency in acquiring work for your client’s public relations is a must. Public relations are how you promote and market your client. An agency does all of that stuff, Managing an Artists or Actor’s career and good public relations go hand in hand. Does Monica works for Cjes, or at least is contracted through Cjes now? I’m not sure. Press releases are just one aspect of PR, and you can’t ignore the others because it isn’t pleasant to deal with. Another part of PR is quickly killing a story before it gets a chance to snowball out of control. PR is also handling Perception problems when they come up.
It seemed like they were getting better with this aspect of PR towards the end of last year. And I thought they had gotten a handle on things from what was going on during the first quarter of the year, but the response or lack of one until now has been surprising. Like I said from a PR standpoint this didn’t need a press release. An email would have done it.
@jaeftw I just wrote you a really long reply and accidentally hit the back button instead of posting *face palm*, let me try one more time. I want to respond to you bc you took the time to respond to me calmly and thoroughly and I really appreciate this type of discourse.
The first part was supposed to be more humorous than anything else cause I find the whole situation silly, that is just my opinion.
The verbage remark was aimed at those that are behaving as though they are entitled to something just bc they are a fan. I did caveat that there are people that kind enough to clarify that this is simply something that they think or want to happen, but I wasn’t going to back trace all the posts to list everyone’s names, and since you’re one of them, than that remark doesn’t apply to you and I applaud you too!
The rumor definition uses the premise that only an “authority” can validate a statement to be true. I do not consider any fan union an authority over any business deals of JYJ. The only authorities are J-Y-J and CjeS for as long as JYJ allows them to be their management company.
For me, while CjeS promotes JYJ activities and their artists individual activities which make sense bc they handle they business aspects of their careers, they are not a PR company like Prain which they stopped using for reasons unknown. The reason I see it this way is that a PR company handles situations like the stalker fan craziness that occurred while JYJ were in South America. JYJ, issued their own statement, handled their personal business that had been made public like the grown up capable men that they are. A PR company directs them in what to do and issues an official statement, which CjeS did not do, they stayed wholly out of that situation aside from issuing supporting statements on how cray cray fans can really get.
Here’s my problem with the situation as I see it.
Scenario 1: CjeS releases an official statement saying rumor is unfounded. I don’t for one second believe that the fan union will post a retraction statement or apology, nor do I believe that SOME of the fans in the fan union will stop bashing JJ, if you get you’re kicks out of bringing someone else down, that’s a behavioral problem and no amount of proof/logic/sanity will change that person. Even if it’s not a statement and just an email, then you’ll have the same thing where one fan union claims one thing and another fan union claims another, it changes nothing.
Scenario 2: Cjes confirms rumor. This is no good for anyone. The zealots just get more zealous, the fans get more righteous and conversely more protective and the situation spirals into an all out bloodshed.
Scenario 3: CjeS does not release a statement. Would the unions boycott CjeS? I don’t think so, boycotting entails not purchasing, engaging or promoting any products, services, dramas, CFs, or activities that are coordinated, negotiated and arranged by CjeS. Which ultimately means the unions would not be supporting their artist. Would the fan unions bash CjeS? Maybe, but that’s already happening anyway and in the long run, the company is associated with the artist they support so they’ll come to realize that by bringing negative attention to CjeS, they bring negative attention to their artist who has chosen to utilize them as a company.
Some people are comparing this situation to SM and I don’t get that correlation at all. JYJ stepped away from SM, they took legal action against SM, they chose to get themselves out of that situation and we supported it. SM’s contract took advantage of them when they were young boys with stars in their eyes, when they grew up, they realized the situation and were decisive in moving on. That is not what is happening here in this situation. They have not expressed one sentiment of discontent with this company. They heavily defended then with the mafia allegations, and to this day still complain that fans aren’t giving CjeS enough credit for all the hard work they do, and all they manage to accomplish despite the many blockades. They gave the CEO a car as a present, that does not sound to me like they are unhappy in any way with their situation. I don’t see a good outcome with releasing a statement/email. At least if they do nothing, the hate will be directed towards the company and not the artists. And if I were CjeS, i’d rather be bashed than my most profitable assets.
@mkverse
cjes is not like prain, but there is no way that they don’t have someone in charge of pr. An agency cant function effectively without it. I wish someone will answer me about Monica. They would have if it had been clearly stated in the beginning. From the manager’s actions later on its clear that the parts involving Jae and Junsu were left to linger. Maybe they assumed talking about the cf’s would absolve the other end but it needed the answer they got from the overall manager to begin with.
Its mostly timing that’s the culprit. The reaction times have to be faster in order to not have so much to wheel in now. The problem will not be them boycotting cjes, but boycotting Jae and viseversa. They wouldn’t stop supporting their personal bias. That needed to have been addressed much earlier than it did. JYJ fandom does a lot of cross supporting when you think about it. It would be a problem for that to decrease on a large scale.
I hope I’m explaining it right? Do you understand?
The next couple of fan meetings should be ackward…. JYJ standing united with their company. JJ fans pissed off, YC fans pissed off, JS fans… not making eye contact with either fans for fear of being dragged into this childish, petty, trival fight.
This is why I just can be part of fanclub. Even if they ever let i-fans be part of their fanclub, I wouldn’t take part in it. Too many crazy fans, it just turns me off. Guess I’m kinda like YC. When things get out of control in the fandom, I just turn away from it until they cool off.
@Alsi
I think I should be more like Jae, and post funny and dorky thinks to distract myself from it. whenever something is up he always have a way of making us laugh with a selca. But because I don’t take debate personally I like doing it. so I’m not upset like I was a few days ago, I just like fleshing things out.
And If they offer i-memberships I will be one of the first to sign up. I refuse to turn down the swag that comes with it. I have no problem ignoring people. or scrolling past posts. And besides isn’t the purpose of a membership is to have first dibs on exclusive stuff?
How exactly does that work?, anyone knows?
Ok, this topic is really getting out of hand. I’ve read the whole discussion and this is my two cent. Don’t worry, after I’ve said my piece I would leave as quietly as I came.
I am actually praying that next Saturday come and a new ODP is made. Each parties involved have already stated their ideas and stand. I wish you all have stopped there. It seems to me that each and everyone have their own preset ideas and stand on the matter and are not necessarily open to accept the other party’s ideas. If this is the case then what is the use of a discussion when the main purpose of it is not met? In my view, the purpose of a discussion should be:
1. To work towards a specific goal.
2. To clarify misunderstanding.
3. To learn from each other.
4. To agree to disagree at times.
5. To not let it become an argument.
Sometimes I feel that a discussion becomes none of the above and by the end one thinks if it was all fruitful. Did the post author get his/her message across or clarify the question, or is everyone’s glass full at the moment, that we continue to pour the same jug of knowledge into each other’s full cups? I don’t know; let’s stimulate some healthy guidelines especially when it comes to differences in beliefs, backgrounds, understandings and moods. For those saying that this one started this or that one started this, unless you are the parties involved, then how can you really say that what you say is the truth and nothing but the truth? You are afterall still a third party, someone who is not involved in the interaction. To say you read this or heard that even when you think the evidences points to an outright conviction, it does not give it much weight because whether you like it or not it is still heresay.
Why don’t we all take a deep breath and reflect for a while. Since we are all basically the third party then let those parties involved work things out for themselves, I believe that like each and every one of us, they are adults capable of making fair and intelligent solution. We have to give everyone a benefit of the doubt and for those who have made the mistakes, give him/her/them the chance to redeem himself/herself/themselves. Pointing fingers, at this point will not solve anything what more the mutual respect which was once there, please try harder to keep it because if not nothing will be left but resentment and I tell you, it does leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
Thank you. I will take my leave now.
this is what happened : there was a rumor about cf in pyc fandom , again there was a rumor about one of the cjes officials answering to pyc fandom and both of the rumors were against jj .
so far damage is done , we have a lot of fans and people who believed these rumors , fans in china bash jj and in other place too . among the 3 member jj’s image got damage ! JFU want cjes to clean this mess ! you and many other fan think if cjes answer to JFU this issue will be public and damage jyj ‘s image i
that was it right ? so if cjes doesn’t do sth , who will clean jj’s name , what will happen if jj really get a cf , of course people would think it was yc’s cf . who will be responsible for this ? surely not pyc’s fandom right ? we always think about jyj’s image but we shouldn’t forget that these 3 are solo artists as much as they are a group ! and when sth happen that threat a solo artists reputation of course his fans want that to be cleaned ! this is not a fan war between jyj fans , this is a problem between 2 solo artiste fans who work under same company ! and with all of this i dont think it’s wrong to ask youre artists company to protect his image and i’m sure As if it was happened to the group you wanted company to clarify it . so i understand jj’s fans if they want cjes to clarify the rumors !
I am a JYJ fan. I enjoy each thing that has a member of JYJ in it. I’m not saying I don’t “lean” a little in one direction, but not to the point where it excludes the other 2. That Junsu prefers doing musicals to dramas/movies is his preference and as long as he’s out there singing something, I’m happy if he’s happy. (Read: I wish I lived in Korea to be able to see his live performances /sigh)
That Yoochun is in more CFs than anyone else….so what? Whether the other 2 turned some CFs down or they aren’t offered as many is not within my call. That the CFs YC are in means he gets too be “seen” on TV one way or another, especially after certain mishaps where he was excluded from being in talk shows/new shows/newspapers etc about the dramas he WAS in, is heartwarming.
That JJ might be busy writing more songs, getting together with the heads of CJeS over important stuff (like concert venues, setting up fan meetings or interviews with mags, smaller tv channels, or photoshoots), or just resting in general and not “out there” (until these 2 drama and movies showed up) is up to him.
What each member of JYJ does or doesn’t do with his career is up to that member. Yes, I would love to see them all more. Yes I would like them to have another album, whether as JYJ or solo, and yes, I would love them to come back to my area (NE part of USA) and see them in another concert, but I will be a FAN and wait. I will watch fancams of things I cannot attend in the hopes of seeing them at all. Nitpicking over stuff like this and then complaining to CJeS, is beyond stupid imho.
I support JJ, YC & JS. I wait to see what new and wonderful things will come from them. I am glad that JJ & YC are in dramas so that I may see them and enjoy their acting and the enjoy the show that they are in. I wait for the time when JS is comfortable to join them or when someone puts his musicals on dvd.
I am a fan. Plain and simple. All this fan waring is depressing. I’m not against CJes, I may be “disappointed” by certain things, but I also understand the situation or at least see it in an “adult” perspective about what “difficulties” they must be facing. This fan war shows badly on the fans, I think. I would ignore “us” too, if I was CJeS. ; ;
@plumblossom
I love your comment.
Let us have a change of topic shall we ^_^
There is something that I have been thinking ever since I heard that JYJ’s lawsuit will end this month. I’ve been thinking whether they will finally be able to appear on broadcast like music programme and variety shows when they finally win the lawsuit, though I kinda doubt that will happen because we all know that sme will probably keep hindering on their activities even after the lawsuit. So what are your thought on this issue? Will they able to appear on tv or not?
Another thing is those tv station all gave the same excuse for not allowing them to appear on their entertainment programme, which is because if they appear on tv it might affect the lawsuit. But of course we all know that excuse is just a total bullshit!! So I’m wondering what other dumb excuse they will give for not allowing JYJ to appear on their entertainment programme. Now let us trying to guess what another dumb excuse they’ll give, as for me I really can’t think of what kind of excuse they’ll give though but whoever has any
@sherry90
IDK, that is why I like the fact cjes trolled them. Getting them to all fall back on that excuse.
@sherry90 I think they will say “the matter is on appeal and until that is settled we cannot allow their apperances” because you know SM has the money to drag this out until infinity. And they will immediately appeal any settlement against their favor, remember they want to make JYJ’s live miserable.
hmmm how about “companies are debuting so many new acts that we can’t showcase all artist.”
I am interested in what their new excuse will be if JYJ win. What I never understood was their excuse about affecting the lawsuit. It doesn’t make sense beause, if showing JYJ could affet the lawsuit then, showing any SM preformer would be the same. Except the outome would be in favor of SM.
idea what kind of excuse they’ll give feel free to share it with us.
(^___^)
i’m a filipina, i haven’t done this to our local artists, it’s my first time to really be involved into being a fan, we have a lot of good artists here, but i’ve only been like this to JYJ maybe if DBSK was still 5 up to now, i’ll be a cassie or wherever junsu is i’ll be there!
i believe CJes is doing their job as much as they can, they bringing JYJ to us though individually maybe to measure JYJ’s popularity, they don’t probably want others to question JYJ’s popularity like what happened in their european tour.
3 years i think is not enough to really accommodate all of us, they’re not as big as SME and don’t have too many connections yet and financial capability, one wrong move might bring them a lot of problems,
lets wait and keep on reminding them that we are here and give our support, love , loyalty, trust and prayers to JYJ!
We fans must join together and be one for the sake of our JYJ, i’m junsu bias but i love jaejoong and yoochun as well, for as long as the other J in JYJ is junsu, i’ll be forever JYJ’ers! so let us not divide the three, we’ve lost two already, i don’t want them just a memory!
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ok, I have a change of topic.
Have anyone noticed the more Jae tweets jackal movie selca’s the more skin he is showing. Lets take a poll, who here thinks Jae is trying to seduce us with the selca’s? yes, no, and why. I’ll go first!!
Yes, each time he tweets, a extra button is undone. The angle of the camera is such that I’m peeking down his shirt lol. He is such a teas. He is spoiling me rotten.
ohh noo…. please you scare me..LOL, what if he do something curious with Jihyo??, bed scene as in Frozen Flower maybe….har..har…har……
*thinking* hmmm… I personally wouldn’t have a problem with a chance to see JJ’s bare butt but there are probably a few hundred thousand fangirls that might get really upset or die from heart attacks seeing it…
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me neither
i was waiting for the ANAN magazine and is was too…safe
Good job @jaeftw,
let’s have a fanwar to undo the rest of the buttons !
A Call to Arms
I think it is time to call a spade a spade. There is no longer room to discuss quietly in the shadows. This is the time for us fans, of JYJ, to save our fandom; from those who have invaded and are trying to tear us apart from within. We are a fandom that withstood the trials and tribulations of SM, Avex and all the other haters and blockers of JYJ. We have withstood years of uncertainty and heart break, because of our love and support for the three men of JYJ. But, now all that is being threatened by those with selfish intents and those who have been clouded by others.
We can no longer allow the face and voice of our fandom to be those of whiny complainers; of people who choose to focus on the negative instead of the positive. This is a fandom consisting of many ages, genders, creeds, nationalities, cultures etc. That is what makes us unique and truly special. Perhaps, it is also what makes it easier for us to retreat to our corners, when things get rocky.
It is sad that it has taken another “scandal” to make us all finally come out and speak up. But, now that we are out, we must take this opportunity to speak out and speak up. Rather than lurking or disappearing, if there are things bothering you about the fandom or maybe even this site, this is the time to do it. Yes, this is a personal blog, but as long as it uses the JYJ3 moniker and carries the JYJ banner, it represents all the members of JYJ and their fans.
Each of us can contribute something and are valuable to the fandom. Do not let anyone or anything make you feel you have no right to be here or be one. So whether we are JYJers, JYJ Republic, JYJ Fans and/or JYJ Family, let us heal the wounds, resolve the bad blood and reunite as one.
i answer the duty to protect JYJ,i have my brain,time, and internet connection. Except money, because i don’t like waste my money on idol.but i’ll protect JYJ againts haters,enemy (AssVex,SoMeEvil),sasaeng,acgaes,etc….all my life!!! in the name of God,Amen.
To ALL Fanclubs of each member, just as the boys love each other unconditionally and will always be there for each other like family… so too their fandoms should be. Please for the love of each member, for all they have been through, for all they have suffered in bringing us what we wanted which is their beautiful music, performances and love, please be understanding and supportive of whatever each one of them does. Do not take to heart any misunderstanding in communication or rumors that come about. Trust in our boys and their choice in having CJES work for them. CJES and JYJ with all they have been through must feel like family, they have stood together and fought and are still fighting Goliath. We know Jaejoong would never take anything from either of the boys and vice versa. They would each willingly share what they have (be it possessions or work) with each other. If customs or beliefs would make it seem like one of them is stealing from the other then we JYJ Nation need to let it be known that JYJ would not do that to each other. That that belief is unfounded. We need to not believe in any malicious rumors or publications, etc. that come about in regards to this. We need to keep our faith, we as a JYJ Nation have to hold hands and not let the enemy break our connection. For the JYJ war against Goliath is far from over.
I think someone was looking for a site to watch Dr. Jin on with no commercials and fast subs. I watch it on epdrama.com, it’s commercial free and they usually have the subs up in two days!
@mkverse
Thanks for the info.
Btw, we’ll have to find some time to talk about that blind Chinese dissident. I’m really interested in the case, but everytime it’s on the news I’m busy doing something so I either end up just catching the tail end of it or miss it completely. So I can’t comment much on it, but I’d love to know what’s happening & what anyone else who’s interested knows, & thinks about the situation. The last thing I did hear is that his brother had fled his village & gone to Beijing. I’m about to go to bed – flu & lack of sleep is catching up with me again.
@Sapphie
Sick? Weren’t you sick recently before? I wish I could make you some jeonbak juk, it’s what Koreans make for friends and family that are not feeling well. It always makes me feel better.
Oh right, Chen Guangcheng’s brother has returned to his village, he said he left in order to seek legal counsel b/c his son is being accused of intentional homicide while fending off Chinese officials in his own home. But the current situation in China is that they’ve stopped forced abortions on woman, they still have to pay a hefty fine if they conceive more than one child, but they are no longer being forced to terminate. I think all the publicity with Chen Guangcheng’s exodus from China has really highlighted the issue and provided more international pressure for China to change it’s policies. The very idea of it is horrifying, however, I’m also trying to see it from their point of view. They do have a huge population problem, hence the one child per family rule. Honestly, it’s more than a problem, the population cannot be supported in the current Chinese economy or resources. Poverty and starvation is common place in rural areas but it’s very rarely heard about. Now, this in way means I think it’s cool to force women to have abortions, but they do seem to be in a desperate situation and I think the international community, made up of people way smarter than me, should try to come up with humane solutions to address this crisis. But I don’t know, this may be the idealist in me thinking that things can work out better if we extend a hand rather than just saying ‘bad Chinese government, that’s a no no.’
Well dearie, I hope sleep does your body good, sweet dreams.
@mkverse
Yep, I seem to attract every flu & cold bug going – & have the devil of a time getting rid of the darn things. Which is probably why this one has decided to stroll on back for one more go around, complete with Exorcist like head-spinning one way, eyeballs spinning the other, & my stomach doing pretty much the same sickening dance…
Darn, I’ve missed so much news on Chen that I didn’t even know what it was he was protesting against, just that he was in danger & desperate to get out of China. This is really interesting, but way too complex for me to get into now. Promise me we can have a full on discussion of all the ins & outs of it when I’m feeling better – which at this rate could very well be at some point in the 25th Century?! Thank you for the well wishes. A Korean cafe has recently opened where I live, so I’m planning on visiting & trying out whatever vegetarian goodies they have. If anyone has any suggestions?
Sound like you got a toughi