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Hi~~~ I was reading your concerns about the Ifan membership and I came out to the conclusion that maybe one of the reason Cjes has not considered it or maybe not make it public yet is that… ifans always make the fuss bigger. We all know what happened recently. I think that instead of comin’ together to demand explanations about rumors, we should come together to ask for that recognition as fans too. Just saying. That’s what I think.
http://jyjifans.wordpress.com ^^
I’m really hoping that we can leave the whole topic of the fanwar behind us this week and discuss something entirely different. Xia’s concert in Jakarta is coming up soon not to mention the promised date of the verdict of the court case. I’m looking forward to those two events and I’m more than happy to stop talking and reading about the circumstances surrounding the fanwar. I think we’ve covered it from A to Z. Let’s move on.
@lilibaiyu
Everytime I visit JYJ3 and read your posts I always end up agreeing with things you say. And this is one of them, “leave the whole topic of the fanwar behind us.”
There are a lot more important, interesting and logical topics to talk about. It’s just that I seldom comment coz I end up utilizing my spare time reading everything written here. I’m a daily lurker. lol! My gosh, the court case verdict is really what I’d like to know. I’m hoping for justice to reign. I can only imagine how the 3 guys are carrying this problem 24/7. So it would really be a big help to them if we stay away from issues and just support them for everything they offer to us.
Xia’s concert in Jakarta looks pretty cool. I wish our streets have those billboards too. Hehe. I’m sure he’ll be perfect in the concert.
Have you been watching Time Slip Dr. Jin?
@cakestar
“Have you been watching Time Slip Dr. Jin?”
Oh, you know it! I started on viki and then moved over to Dramafever when they got it. I think it’s great and I love seeing Jaejoong do so well. He is the most photogenic man I’ve ever seen and I find myself getting hypnotized fairly regularly by him while I’m supposed to be watching the show for the story, etc etc. I can’t help it!
@lilibaiyu @cakestar
Hello there !.nice to meet u..
sorry for posting here..but I can’t help myself to agreeing with ur posts that I read.
And about JJ.
I always see ur name here but I didn’t talk to u yet..
Have a wonderful day !
@jamaryka
” Hello there !.nice to meet u.. sorry for posting here..but I can’t help myself to agreeing with ur posts that I read.”
Hi Jamaryka, nice to meet you too. I read from your posts that you are also especially a fan of Jae’s. ( I love them all, on a dizzyingly rotating basis. lol) Are you enjoying Dr Jin too? I can’t wait for another episode!
@lilibaiyu
I’m also hypnotized by Jaejoong. Haha! I need to rewind, pause and replay his scenes. He is glowing. And his acting is more than my expectations. I have read some criticizing the writer and director. But for me, I simply want to be entertained and enjoy what I’m watching. I won’t finish if I’m not satisfied, simple as that. But with Dr. Jin, I’d look forward to the next episode week after week. I’m interested with Kyung Tak’s character. A lot of people are. So for me, Jaejoong is really an effective actor, otherwise, people who aren’t even his fans won’t be seeking his character and wanting him to be a good guy.
@jamaryka
Hello. Nice to meet you too.
@cakestar
“@lilibaiyu I’m also hypnotized by Jaejoong. Haha! I need to rewind, pause and replay his scenes. He is glowing.”
You know what, I think you’re exactly right and I noticed that again just now looking at the stills from ep. 7. His skin actually seems quite literally to glow. Quite a remarkable effect, I wonder how they do it? I bet you there’s a grip holding a reflective light board angled up at him right out of camera range…
Where did you get the infos about the final date from, @lili?
@ai uta
“Where did you get the infos about the final date from, @lili?”
From several posts on JYJ3 last week which contained summaries of what has happened with the various verdicts and rulings so far. The date is June 19th, btw.
Oh thanks, good to know it’s the 19th, for some reason I was thinking it was the last week in June, not this coming week…. hoo boy, fingers, toes, legs, arms, anything cross-able is crossed that this is FINALLY the end of this segment of the case (course, I fully expect Loser Smarmy Man or his duly appointment deputy to at least attempt an appeal….. but I can dream that this will be the real end, right?)
@springbok7
“I fully expect Loser Smarmy Man or his duly appointment deputy to at least attempt an appeal….. but I can dream that this will be the real end, right?)”
You can bet your sweet bippy LSM/SME will try an appeal. They did so with Hangeng’s case. But the only way one can advance, or should advance, is if they can find something in the decision handed down that conflicts with a SK statute. An appeals court has to agree there is ‘merit’ to the arugment and let it proceed. If they don’t find any merit, there should be a very BIG FORK sunk into it.
But I caution again…once this decision does happen…look for the most INTENSE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION attempts. Nothing short of dismantling and cracking the foundation of this fandom will suit these vipers. They will have nothing left but this.
I am going to hold steady…that ultimately goodness triumps over evil.
@Baffie
” If they don’t find any merit, there should be a very BIG FORK sunk into it.”
Yeah, that’s why I said I can dream that this will really be the end, but with the twisted minds in that company, desperate to come up with something, anything, I wouldn’t put it past them.
And yeah, I fully expect the shit-storm to trump all shit-storms to descend, and in fact it would not surprise me one bit if it hits regardless of whether the case is 100% terminated or not, because filing appeals takes time, and I’m pretty sure the vultures will move in for the character kills as soon as the decision is handed down, trying to sway opinions and cloud people’s minds regardless of the appeals. Because whether the appeal has merit or not, there would still be court activity to deal with it, right? I don’t know enough about this stuff to really get into detail but I can imagine that the judge would at least need to go over the thing in order to see if it has merit and that will take time.
But on the other hand, the only things I can think of that would harm MY support of JYJ is if it is proven that they raped or murdered someone, and based on what I know of them, I’m pretty damn sure they have done these things, so I don’t care WHAT slimy rubbish SoMe bastards try to dig up, they aren’t going to shake MY love or MY support of JYJ. I just hope that the k-fans and j-fans and i-fans who got caught up in the last fun-and-games don’t go nuclear over whatever radioactive waste gets thrown around this time. This is my big fear. Hopefully the court has something to address those things also…. and I REALLY hope that CJES sticks to their guns and DOES take people to court for bullshit. I’m so tired of that stuff, if a few cases get decided in CJES’s favour and the people doing the slandering etc get what’s coming to them, hopefully it will serve as sufficient warning to others of that ilk.
In the end, it’s only and always JYJ!
ARGh stupid 8am blind eyeballs!
“I’m pretty damn sure they have NOT!!!!! done these things”
@springbok7
First off, look at it this way, the more typos we manage to produce, the better our chances are of leaving my VE Sister in the dust!
I had a couple in mine. 
I know, it’s a given that SK’s resident snake oil salesman is not going to let this rest. As I mentioned before, this is PERSONAL for the unclothed emperor. This man has not moved from his arrested development stage. He only knows one thing. He is the arbiter of what is right or wrong. He is omniponent.
What the dear one fails to take into consideration…NOTHING LASTS FOREVER! When the tides begin to turn on you, start trying to make the necessary corrections. However, for someone like LSM, arrogance breeds incredible stupidity. If he is not willing to make the necessary changes in his attitude, then he’ll have no one to blame but himself when it blows up in his face!
I have a piece saved somewhere about the attitude SK has on her outlook on the Hallyu Wave. This is coming from their ministeries that deal in getting their image out there in the world. In essence they are beginning to readjust their thoughts and will begin to promote SK ‘culture’ in toto. No more relying on a single genre if you will to get the word out. I’m going to see if I can locate it and post the link for it.
@sister BAFfie
“First off, look at it this way, the more typos we manage to produce, the better our chances are of leaving my VE Sister in the dust! I had a couple in mine. ”
HEY, now wait just a damn minute here! I’m sensing another conspiracy!!!!! [And yes, I had to fix 6 things before this baby was fit to post. You'll just have to take my word for it.]
“[And yes, I had to fix 6 things before this baby was fit to post. You'll just have to take my word for it.]”
You will NEVER get me to admit how much editing I did! I shall take that information to the GRAVE! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!!
[LOLOLOL! The scary part is that even if I wanted to count the edits, I couldn’t because i do them so automatically I’m not even aware of them most of the time. Talk about auto-pilot LOL!)
“[And yes, I had to fix 6 things before this baby was fit to post. You'll just have to take my word for it.]”
Ah my VE Sister, it’s a good thing I know you are a woman of honor and I can take you at your word.
Oh, the trials and tribulations. On my Kdrama forum, we have a ‘preview’ button. If we need to go back and edit something before we submit, we can. Ah, life is good.
@springbok7
“Because whether the appeal has merit or not, there would still be court activity to deal with it, right?”
Once the district court makes its decision, if an appeal is attempted, it will be filed with the appellate court. They take over from there in that division. If, and only if they agree to hear, then it will be looked it. Anything is possible, but at this stage of the game, it’s the compensation package in question.
The decision handed down last year, about the lack of fairness of the contract pretty much sealed it. I really don’t see any wiggle room in that announcement. But only time will tell. If we are lucky, all of this will be an exercise in futility.
@BAFfie
“Ah my VE Sister, it’s a good thing I know you are a woman of honor and I can take you at your word. ”
Well OF COURSE you can! LOL If I hadn’t made ANY mistakes I’d be the first person to say so.
I just want to share this article, just for reading pleasure, or you might can use this in your studies or business, or we can relate this to JYJ/CJes
Customer Relationships Are Key to Your Marketing Strategy
By Laura Lake, About.com Guide
If I could show you how to increase your sales by 50% without increasing your marketing budget, would you be interested? Of course you would, what marketing professional or business owner wouldn’t be interested? By the time you have finished this article you will have figured out how to do just that.
Take a few moments and think of all the inactive customer files you have in your file cabinet. Business owners often make the costly mistake of servicing a customer once then assuming “they’ll stay” as a customer or client without maintaining and growing that relationship.
A year later that business owner is wondering what happened to that customer and where they went. Why haven’t they hear from them? Did they leave? If so, why?
There are many reasons a customer or client may leave you, but the ones you will hear most often are:
* They felt your pricing was too high or unfair.
* They had an unresolved complaint.
* They took a competitors offer.
* They left because they felt you didn’t care.
When you consider that the last two make up the majority of why a client or customer will no longer use your service or buy your products – it can be a hard pill to swallow. After all it means they are an inactive client because they felt you didn’t care about them and your competitor did.
This makes sense when you consider that customers often purchase your service or product because they have developed a relationship with you, they owned another product or yours, or they were referred to you by a friend or associate.
When faced with the above facts why is it businesses spend 80% of their marketing dollars going after new customers and clients rather than nurturing, retaining, and maintaining the customer relationships they already have?
Before you spend your time and money going after new customers and clients you do not currently have a relationship with consider the following statistics:
* Repeat customers spend 33% more than new customers.
* Referrals among repeat customers are 107% greater than non-customers.
* It costs six times more to sell something to a prospect than to sell that same thing to a customer.
As you can see your marketing dollars will go further if you use it to build, nurture, and develop your customer relationships. This isn’t as difficult as you think. Building these relationships just means treating your customers and clients as if they truly are your strategic partners and showing them that you truly care about them. It’s important to try to satisfy them with the right products and services, supported by the right promotion and making it available at the right time and location. Customers can easily detect indifference and insincerity and they simply will not tolerate it. Long-term client and customer loyalty is a long-term challenge that you must strive for every day and with every transaction no matter how big or small.
While a growing business needs to constantly capture new customers, the focus and priority should be on pleasing your existing customer base. Companies that fail to nurture and retain their customer base ultimately fail. You will also spend twice as much to get new clients as you will in maintaining your existing customer base.You will also be limited in your ability to attract new clients if you can’t hold onto and satisfy your existing customers and clients.
The bottom line is that one of the key components in marketing and business growth is to spend the majority of your time and effort nurturing customer relationships, so that you get business from existing clients and customers. This is a strategy that will move you forward in increasing your sales by 50% without increasing your budget.
For me the best example of this is the 2012 JYJ Membership Week which JYJ spend a huge amount of money to please their existing customers. What do you think ?
@kris
You are absolutely correct, customer service is the mainstay of any successful business. Letting the customer know they are valued is the hallmark of how a business either makes it or breaks it.
Any company can make a mistake or two even. It’s how they clear up those mistakes that gives the customer a clue as to how they are valued. The U.S. auto industry for years thumbed their noses at the American consumer when they clamored for better cars. It wasn’t until those customers gave the auto industry the finger and started buying Japanese and German, that the industry sat up and paid notice. It cost them big time. Some lessons are harder than others to learn.
There are countless examples to show how this effects the bottom line and the reputation of a company. Unfortunately, quality customer service is in short supply. But in difficult economic downtimes, this can be a point where you make or break. Consumers have to spend their money wisely and carefully.
So, I’m thrilled to see CJeS/JYJ showing their member fans how much they are valued. And make no mistake, even though I as in international fan am thousands of miles away, and from a different country and culture, I loudly applaud the opportunity for those fans to experience this event. It makes me feel good to see others reap joy from experiences with JYJ and because of JYJ.
If all that is promised is showcased and gives the Korean and Japanese fans the opportunity to do something no other fandom has, how cool is this! There’s a business adage…to make money, you have to spend money. Sure it will cost to put this event on, but in the long run, you are sowing the seeds of goodwill and providing experiences that will have a lasting effect. I’m hoping that all turns out well. Even if there is a glitch or two, that’s just simply something to learn from. It’s the effort that matters.
GOOD LUCK CJES/JYJ! FIGHTING!
Thank you @BAF for your further elaboration on this article.
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I’m glad JYJ team has come up to a “give and take” strategy like this to counterbalance their inability to connect more on their customers ( fans ) due to the banning.
Going out from the article, most of you here are talking about June 19 and this 2012 JYJ Membership Week will be happening at the end of June, am I the only one over_thinking that the two dates have something to do with each other? Will I be seeing fireworks and fountain of champagne on that Membership Week, I know it’s not good to anticipate too much but who knows, (hoping and praying for the fireworks and champagne
@kris
“am I the only one over_thinking that the two dates have something to do with each other? Will I be seeing fireworks and fountain of champagne on that Membership Week, I know it’s not good to anticipate too much but who knows, (hoping and praying for the fireworks and champagne ”
OH, God, I hope you are clairvoyant, Kris!! I just honestly have no clear sense at all of what will happen. I figure the parameters of Heaven and Hell are probably the full range of possibility. Some have foretold a tsunami of SM generated Hate-spewing in the next few weeks and I can certainly see how they could arrive at that possibility. Especially if SM loses and loses big, I would think we could reasonably assume that they will behave like scalded cats, hissing and slashing wildly at anyone in range. Then again, maybe it will all end abruptly like awakening from a bad dream and JYJ can continue on with their careers without further obstruction. Certainly in the last 2 years SM has had plenty of time to come up with certain counter measures to keep the rest of their Idols in line for the foreseeable future.
For me, I am just trying to keep visualizing a positive outcome for these wonderful young men. They’ve been through hell and it seems right somehow that this will now be the end if it.
Nope, you’re not the only one. Even if it isn’t fireworks and champagne (as everyone mentioned above, there will likely be an appeal process underway), I wouldn’t be surprised if there is relief and vindication. And a little extra bounce in their step as they walk onto the stage.
@Eliza
“And a little extra bounce in their step as they walk onto the stage.”
Yes, andlet’s think more on the positive so as the positive energy to side with us.
JYJ fighting.
@kris
Regarding the timing…more like happy consequence. I don’t think there was a chance they could have planned this to coincide with the court date…but whatever Lady Karma is planning, I’m betting she wants this event to be EXTREMELY celebratory in more ways than one! Favorable court decision and a huge party weekend! Couldn’t get any better than this!
@lili
“I figure the parameters of Heaven and Hell are probably the full range of possibility. ”
Actually the other half of me is thinking of the fireworks and champagne combo, but the other half is very much anxious what will be happening in day to day basis up to the last day of that membership week . We all know how dirty the other side play their game, but I hope SK would not let this event to be sabotaged, can they afford to embarrass their country at the expense of JYJ in front of thousands of tourists? .
@kris
“We all know how dirty the other side play their game, but I hope SK would not let this event to be sabotaged, can they afford to embarrass their country at the expense of JYJ in front of thousands of tourists? .”
Oooo, GOOD POINT! 6000 Japanese tourists are going to be showing up and spending money in SK at the end of the month. And if they are caught in a shitstorm orchestrated by SM, they are going to be as mad as wet hens!!
As a supplementary reading for the article above, I want to share this one :
The relationship between fans and celebrities
Michele Gwynn ( http://www.examiner.com/article/the-relationship-between-fans-and-celebrities )
Celebrities come and go throughout our lives. Some are good, some are great, and some defy definition because their impact is so phenomenal we find ourselves lost for words. It’s those celebrities that most impact the lives of all who relate to them. It is just such a relationship, that of one between an icon and the fans, that prompts many to take the inspiration offered from star to stargazer, and make a positive change in the world around them. Michael Jackson was one such star. ( AND OF COURSE JYJ )
It’s celebrities like Michael Jackson ( or in our case, it’s also JYJ ) that directly affect the hearts and minds of fans. In return, those fans show their love by supporting the music, giving to causes touted by that celebrity, even listening with rapt attention when the celebrity uses his/her iconic platform to bring world issues to their doorstep. Often, a fan knows more about what’s going on in the world because they heard it from their favorite celebrity rather than from watching the evening news.
Celebrities started “Rock the Vote” which helped motivate young people around the nation to register to vote, learn the issues, and get involved in the democratic process. Rock the Vote began 19 years ago, and has grown exponentially since, with success of the organization showing in the 2009 presidential election as more young voters cast their ballot for change, electing Barack Obama as the nations first African-American president.
( Remember how Jaejoong stirred up the latest local election in Seoul , voters collage …)
People respond to their favorite celebrities. The influence of their relationship with a celeb is deeply personal and goes in both directions. Oprah Winfrey can tell her fans about a new book she’s read that moved her in some way, and next thing you know, that book is a best seller.
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(Who other celebrity you can think about this, me, it’s Jaejoong, sorry if I sound too bias
The fans make or break the celebrity’s fame. The celebrity is given an awesome responsibility when granted that fame. How they use it becomes the most important decision they can make. It’s similar to being granted the love of a good woman or man who, in all honesty, may be too good for them. Regardless, there remains a strong bond between an entertainment icon and his or her fans. The bond is powerful, but tenuous. It can grow in strength or snap and break. Despite their elevated status, celebrities are just people like any other. They have the same needs, desires, and habits as ordinary folks. They all put their pants on one leg at a time, enjoy watching a movie, sipping a pop, and sinking their teeth into a good meal. This is why people relate to them. They are them; just with more money and star power. And they can’t take their fans for granted. As relationships go, it takes two, baby, to make it work. Each side must do their part. Each side must give a little, and take a little. Relationships take work, even celebrity relationships with their many, adoring fans. Like all relationships, the KEY IS COMMUNICATION.
(Do you think JYJ, or Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu are doing enough about “COMMUNICATION to their fans?
Thanks a lot Jaejoong is so active in twitter lately and YC and JS are also stepping up but can they still do more outside from twiitterland ? )
There’s no doubt that the changing tide of mass communication has allowed the ‘well-known’, aka celebrities to have an impact. Media stimulation is the fuel this feeds off of. It’s easily accessible and paints a bigger picture than life. And depending on what day of the week it is, what celebrity is talking, this can affect what people think and how they react.
I say this because I came up in an era when there was no mass communication system other than regular TV, radio, newspapers/magazines, and regular phones. My generation was influenced by those around us. My generation went and registered to vote because there were black folks who risked their lives for the right to vote. You didn’t squander the right, it was too important. There was no need for Rock the Vote. But times do change.
It also depends on how needy one is for someone else to guide your life and thoughts. And make no mistake, neediness does come into play. Toni Morrison made a point on an Oprah book club discussion, of talking about everyone wants validation. In the world we live in now, this is how many achieve their validation by having their thoughts echoed by those they feel attached to in the world of celebrity. If they didn’t get it in the home, they get it someone where else.
I’m not saying this is a bad thing, but just take a look at how unstable people use celebrities as their reason for being…stalkers, sagaengs, etc. This influence though unintended, has a troubling effect. Conversely, there can be a positive outcome. But what does this say about how one is socialized if you are needing to be encouraged by someone other than those to whom you are directly connected…family, friends?
Luckily JYJ are positive role models and this makes a difference. Yes, it is one of their endearing qualities, along with many others.
But what does this say about the world we live in that there is this kind of need?
As to whether JYJ as a group or individuals are doing enough about communicating with their fans? Well, take a look. This website JYJ3.net has over 31M hits because of information that is being disseminated about JYJ. People surf the net looking for anything and everything regarding JYJ. Their Twitter accounts are infamous.
All other kinds of portals are used as well. Other than each member calling you up on the phone or emailing each one of us, I don’t know how much better they could get. 
@BAF
I don’t know how much better they could get.
I really wish each one of them could hire an English aid/staff/tutor/translator who’s always by their side who will converse with them only with English language (not just a session training), or they will challenge their friends and staff to speak English with them, just learning the language without using it everyday will not help much. English can do magic on them in as far as they are global stars.
Even for us Asian countries alone, where every country has her own national language but we can connect each other through English (it doesn’t matter if it’s broken or not as good as Western). Just imagine them doing interviews/sending messages without a translator around.
@kris
“Even for us Asian countries alone, where every country has her own national language but we can connect each other through English (it doesn’t matter if it’s broken or not as good as Western). Just imagine them doing interviews/sending messages without a translator around.”
I so agree with you. And I just want to say I never stop being impressed with the posters here on JYJ3 and their remarkable command of English, knowing how many different countries you all come from. You ladies and gentlemen are really IMPRESSIVE! I want the members of JYJ to learn English too. I think it would change their lives and they would make another quantum leap in their popularity globally.
@lili
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“And I just want to say I never stop being impressed with the posters here on JYJ3 and their remarkable command of English,”
And I’m also thankful to all English speakers who are forgiving and considerate to us struggling to use and learn the language
I know there a lot of JYJers who have some brilliant thoughts to share here in ODP, but maybe it’s the language problem that shy them away from commenting
hello @kris
“Do you think JYJ, or Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu are doing enough about “COMMUNICATION to their fans?”
In my humble opinion, I think it’s the best they can do given the circumstances. I always keep in mind that JYJ are in a different situation. Even if they would like to communicate to fans more often, they are banned from variety shows, there are things they are not allowed to talk about specially regarding lawsuit (lawyer’s orders). I remember Jaejoong used to say he’d like to say so many things but they can’t. Then there’s also their right to privacy. Then in terms of print media, some writers may also be afraid to write about them or feature them. They were actually active in twitter until that saesang issue came about. Since then, they’ve taken a step back and became extra cautious. Probably reflected on how and what they say can be used against them. It’s just my personal observation of course. So yeah, it’s the fans who can “make or break the celebrity’s fame.” Not just fame but also the celebrity as a whole human being.
Hi @cakestar
As far as they are limited because of the banning, I wish they could maximize their Youtube Channel for communication and promotion for their music. They had some posted video messages but not Eng_subbed so we had to look for another fan-subbed version of those videos. As I said above, I hope they have an English staff, who will do the translation instead of waiting for the fans to do the job, and also can serve as a coordinator/bridge between I_fans and JYJ so as to prevent or minimize miscommunication or misunderstanding .
yup.. i totally agree with Kris.. eng subbing is a mandatory…
Gotta go to bed now, kids – Good night and sweet dreams!
See you all tomorrow!
Hi everyone;
Hope you’re having a great weekend!
JUST A THOUGHT!
I almost removed myself out of this site for obvious reasons, but I won’t do it, JYJ deserve better than that. One thing I learned from them is that they have stick for what they believe is right no matter what. I’ll just from now on will have an open mind and heart for JYJ as 3, will have my eyes wide awake and will restrain my mouth when rude raging outcomes happens because I’m here to love each one of the boys with all the support, respect and protection that each one of them deserve. We are here with one heart united for the faith of 3 to overcome the obstacles that the enemy throws and the boundaries won’t matter at all. We have to understand that if one of them is hurt the other two will hurt as well too. I believe that whatever you throw in the air either positive/negative is going to come back to the one that is in the discussion, I prefer to keep myself positive for them because they are going through tough times, they don’t need my negativity around them. Conversation is proper, arguments just makes us loose our sensitivity and modesty from one another. I know too that we don’t always agree with our views on certain things and don’t need to agree with a certain person if our views are different, but with respect we can come to an understanding because I won’t risk my health nor waste my time with no one in an argument.
ON ANOTHER VIEW:
As some of us know what is going to happen on Tuesday the 19th, once and for all I hope this lawsuit ends so JYJ can have their freedom from SM, AVEX and who-evers are keeping them away from publicizing themselves openly to the fans and others that don’t know about them. As we know they will love to have concerts in Korea and Japan, soon their dreams will come true, I put my faith on that and on other goals they want to achieve with that same freedom. Lets be positive and pray with so much faith that all ends well with no obstacles at all.
Stay healthy. Live, love and laugh because nothing is worth from taking that away from you! ^-^
@Silvia
“As some of us know what is going to happen on Tuesday the 19th, once and for all I hope this lawsuit ends so JYJ can have their freedom from SM, AVEX and who-evers are keeping them away from publicizing themselves openly to the fans and others that don’t know about them. As we know they will love to have concerts in Korea and Japan, soon their dreams will come true, I put my faith on that and on other goals they want to achieve with that same freedom.”
I know I probably sound like an old hippie from the Summer Of Love saying this, but I can’t help but believe that thousands upon thousands of fans around the world holding a good thought in their minds, wishing for ONLY the best outcome for all concerned, and visualizing JYJ coming out of that courtroom victorious has GOT to matter. I really believe it will and I really want to encourage everyone to spread the word to keep a good thought for JYJ in the days to come.
We’re hoping and praying for the best!
hi! I don’t know whether to post this in GAPP or Open Discussion..lastly i decided to post here.
just wanna inform that a certain people had posted some rumors about our boys in a certain forum. and initially i wanted to ignore it since it is groundless. however, they had been getting ridiculous to the point that it drove me mad. i don’t know what to do anymore. other people who saw it will definitely think its true, and indirectly tainting their image as well.
okay SB,ALKEPOP (urghhh wanna troll this site) soompi or OMONA (ohhhh i hate the last site)
the second one..in the hottest thread of all (its obvious..)
what is it about this time =_=
Well whatever it is, it’s probably because of the 6/19 final court verdict and the upcoming JYJ Expo. SME and probably all the major entertainment industries and shareholders (can’t even blame SME alone) who are trying to sully, slander, and destroy JYJ before they do anything successful or before the court rules in their favor. These major ent. companies can’t let JYJ win or succeed. If they let them win or succeed or have their peace of mind, they think all the other idols will follow JYJ’s examples. So all they have to do is to pay some few people to sit behind their computers and type away malacious infomations concerning the boys and the vultures (Hotels, haters and antis) will just cobble it all up and make poop-ies with it. This Vultures can then deficate (mybad) all over the internet with these poop-ies.
they want to make an example out of JYJ no mater what .
@loveunchanged
I think that’s EXACTLY what is going on and thank you, loveunchanged (love your name) for the terrific and succinct summary of the current strategizing of SM and all their pathetically ineffectual confederates. Because JYJ WILL be successful, we fans all over the world will make sure of that. And JYJ they WILL prevail in this court case because they WERE unfairly bound contractually, they WERE stolen from and exploited. SM can kick, scream and send out the flying monkeys all it wants, but it’s not going to change anything.
All I’m saying is, the court better not delay or postpond that final verdict anymore. Hasn’t SME manage to drag the case on as long as it could? This time, no more delays and no more new dates. It has to be over and done with!
@loveunchanged
I really do think this is the last go round. That is why all this park ape nonsense is going on. Distraction after distraction. Whip the natives into a frenzy. Even though the outcome won’t change, they figure what do they have to lose!
@BAFfie
” That is why all this park ape nonsense is going on. Distraction after distraction. Whip the natives into a frenzy.”
Park ape?? What’s that? Did I miss something?
@Lili
The phrase ‘park ape’ is a colloquial used where I come from to describe someone going off the deep end. Acting like a ‘park ape’. It’s kind of a cultural thing if you get my drift.
@BAFfie
“The phrase ‘park ape’ is a colloquial used where I come from to describe someone going off the deep end. ”
LOL Okey dokey. I have been educated for today. ( I think I can go back to bed now….)
Screencap and report it to >>> report_rumor@daum.net
R u talking about the scary clown on allkpop? What a crazy anti! He used to hate all things JYJ, now he’s suddenly a “JJ only” fan and saying horrible things about Chunnie and Junsu. I just ignore him cause it’s kinda pathetic how much time and energy he spends on something he claims to not like.
And how long is the Korean Government going to let the entertainment industry rot as it is. I just read that a young pretty actress (Jung Ah Yool?) commited suicide 3days ago because of the treatment she got in the industry. There are too many celebrety suicides in Korea. They should do something about it. And soon. They can do that by first changing the entertainment system. Gosh, it is rotten. It looks pretty on the outside, but when you spend more than 7years with them like I have, you begin to see all the rotten core they try to cover.
Although I’m not disagreeing with you in any way. it’s really a much bigger problem than just the entertainment industry. The one–I don’t want to say good, but I can’t think of another word–thing about celebrity suicides are that those are the ones that get reported. They bring the issue to the forefront for a little while. Korea has one the highest suicide rates in the world and it is the leading cause of death in people under 40 (Yonhap News, Nov 2011). There has been enough professional analysis done that I’m not going to get into it here, but it is far more than just a single industry problem.
Yeah, the scary thing is that South Korea has a higher suicide rate than even Japan, which made me go O__O.
Here is a wikipedia reference on the topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea
I’ll admit I went to wiki first, too (That’s where I got the Yonhap reference)
But I found the WHO information very interesting, and more current.
http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide_rates/en/
One of the things that I looked at was the male/female ratio. Most countries have 3:1 ratio or higher. (An interesting question of why some are higher but not one to go into here) What I looked at was countries where the ratio was 2:1 or lower. Like Korea. Like India, Like Switzerland. China is getting close to 1:1, so is Albania (which might point to other issues) What do these countries have in common? Could it be insular, traditional societies?
A note on the WHO listing – Don’t take these numbers as a fact of reality, these are only the numbers that are reported to the WHO. There is a wide variation in the validity of record keeping in general and for suicide reporting in particular. Think about the political state of the country, think about the stigma suicide has in the society (Will the family beg not to have it on the death certificate? Does the gov’t want to keep the numbers down?) and ask yourself, do you really believe that suicide is a 1 in a million event in Egypt? (That’s what that number claims.) Do this for all of them. Also for small countries (under pop, 1 million), they may not have a large enough population to counteract statistical variation in this one year “snap shot”. This is not about ranking, this is about trends. Korea has a disturbing trend.
@Eliza, I’m glad you posted as I thought I might look a little odd if i posted both links
But yeah, the numbers are quite interesting on that page, and it’s intriguing to see which countries have which ratios… I also find it interesting that several of the countries with very low rates are somewhat known for “family justice” i.e. families will dispose of dishonoured members themselves, and of course that will not be reported as a suicide….
But why are people so depressed and incosolable there? Do people really find suicide to be that easy? I would say, if that’s the case then they should set up counseling in schools for the kids. So that as they step out into the bigger world they’ll have better mentalities to be able to deal with depressing things. If their social order is also the case, then they should reconstruct it. Something somewhere has to be done.
This is a topic about which I have a great deal of personal interest and experience so I’m going to jump right in here.
Just like every other problem, depression has to be acknowledged in order to be overcome. One of the things that I’ve noticed about Korean society is that it’s very focused on appearances. Putting on a happy face. What this does is force a sad or depressed person to hide their difficulty rather than seek help.
This is why I adore what Yoochun has been doing lately. He says, “I’m sad. And I’m okay with that.” He is feeling what he’s feeling, he accepting it and he knows that he’ll feel better later. He shows himself sharing his feelings with a friend. These are healthy ways to deal with negative emotion.
Yet, people still tell him to “Cheer up.” That’s beyond useless, and for someone who really depressed not just sad, can also be harmful. A person who is depressed is in a…cycle in her head, she can’t just “cheer up” so that’s one more thing she’ll feel she’s failed at. She needs to break that cycle and usually requires some help. And some hope! Which is something that Korean society is very poor at giving.
This is society where one’s life is mapped out at birth (status of our parents) and confirmed by 16 (high school exams) If you haven’t made it by 25…. Well, you’ve seen the statistics. And even if you have “made it,” what if you change your mind? Society will see you as being “ungrateful” for what you’ve been given (by your parents, by your teachers, by your employers, because you’ve done nothing yourself.) This is a very difficult environment for a person to try and pull themselves out of what I always called “The Pit”. If there is on one showing you that real change is possible, then why bother….
And we come to another reason why I love JYJ — they are the harbingers of change.
All of a sudden I’m extra grateful for the existance of twitter.
@Eliza
I find myself agreeing with everything you are saying. I too have personal experience with the subject matter. And yes, the depression issue is huge. If you don’t have the personal coping skills, you are really in danger. And if you don’t have access to the kind of outlet to help you address the depression, it is all the more difficult.
When I look back on the ones who did go the suicide route, they obviously could not or would not seek help. The only exception, one person had some personal demons and no amount of psychiatric care was able to help. Stigmas are huge burdens to bear. They do not make it easy to admit you need help. My culture is one in particular that frowns upon asking for theaputic help. You are not suppose to need or ask for it. BS!
We can all wear a mask at times. No one is immune to feeling down, or experiencing some level of depression. But being afraid to ask for help, or not being near help is a scary place to be in.
I count myself blessed everytime I’m not faced with such scary options..
The sad part about suicide, which is something that occurs everywhere, for any number of reasons, is that you can’t pretend it doesn’t happen or exist. Turning a blind eye or a deaf ear is not going to make the phenomena go away.
It happens for all kinds of reasons. The aftermath is huge, especially for those left behind. Grief counseling is beginning to become almost standard here in the States. At one point in this country, it used to be a crime to attempt suicide. Then it became a mental health issue and began to be addressed.
My understanding is that SK is not a country that believes in clinical psychiatry for problems such as this. So, the likelihood that we will see some serious attention paid to the subject is probably nil.
It saddens me to see this option chosen. It points out the fragility of the human soul. Each person’s coping level is different, no two are alike. It is not an image I would want to be known for. But this is something the SK culture will have to decide for themselves.
To me, just as they’ve taken the serious step of guarding against their enemy, war, by sending their young men to military training for 2years, they should take the same serious measures to guard against the enemy called suicide/depression/mass bullying, in order to save their generation. At this rate, war will not be the thing the wipes them out, suicide will be.
But the issue of war is a matter of national security, not a cultural component. The collectivism of the culture precludes or supercedes the individual. The society is more important than one’s individual needs. But if enough individuals begin to kill themselves, who’s left minding the store?
Here in the States we are experiencing ‘culture’ wars, but on a different level. What culture wars do, is murky up the waters and no one is able to see their way clear to shore. When I look at countries that appear to have a great deal more stability, it seems as if they are the ones that don’t mettle in the lives of their citizens. I could be wrong, but it seems that way to me.
Mostly, they are very small countries. They don’t go around trying to spread themselves around the world. They are content to just be themselves. They don’t mettle in anyone else’s business, they stay neutral. No axes to grind.
IMHO if I see SK begin to seriously address the issue and not just give it lip service. I am going to begin looking for the doorway for the parallel universe.
“The society is more importanta than one’s individual needs”. But who makes up the society if not the “individual”. They practice alot of “One for all” and not enough of “All for one”. It’s like the body. The health of the “whole Body” is more important than just the toe. But if you don’t take care of the toe when it’s infected, gangrene will set in. And when gangrene spirals out of control, the “Whole body” may not survive. It’s “all for one and one for all”, one individual should not be blindly sacrificed for the lot. They should take care of each and every one so that the community/society as a whole can survive and thrive. Oh well…
Those who took their lives were so talented and could have contributed greatly to their country. Thinking of PYH… may his soul RIP.
You are not getting any argument out of me. I agree. Allowing a wound to fester is a perscription for disaster. There is a huge price to pay for neglect. Unfortunately, I think this is one of those situations where they have to experience an epidemic and maybe they will take a look internally and say, we are the problem. We are the change that is needed.
My perspective is purely from the Westren cultural divide. I sincerely hope they don’t come to regret ignoring the issue and continue sweeping it under the rug. The losses are such a huge undeniable waste!
I know about the gangrene issue. It happened to my great-grandmother. First a toe, then a leg, both amputated. Then another leg, until finally, my aunt put her foot down and said, she’s over 90, let her go in peace.
I’m gonna plug a book:
“Peaceful Mind: Using Mindfulness & Cognitive Behavioral Psychology to Overcome Depression” by John R. McQuaid, Ph.D. and Paula E. Carmona, RN, MSN
I have a tendency to depression, and had suicidal episodes for at least half my life. (No actions, although looking back, there were a few frightening moments.) When someone asks how I got “over it” (you don’t, btw), I say it’s a long and complicated story, and then offer them this book as the short cut. Mindfulness is the meditative practice of awareness, grounding, and acceptance. CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) is a method of analyzing thoughts and providing techniques to change their patterns. The two practices dovetail together beautifully! They come at the issue from different angles but help each other. Like lifting a heavy box with two hands rather than struggling to do it with one.
So that’s my PSA for the day.
I’m glad you’re alive and here with us. Happy Birthday, even if it is not your birthday! And thank you for the recommended book. Those in need or those who knows someone in need, can seek the book out.
And it also occured to me that some people join fansites like this in order to take their minds off of things and take it easy in life. But for the past couple of days we’ve not made it easy for those people. In view of that I would like to say sorry for the mess we created, to all those who JYJ3 is a sort of santuary. I hope it still lives up to your expectations (of being a sanctuary).
Ok! Now I gotta go. For the day.
PEACE OUT!
not taking so much knowledge as i share this but suicide is taboo, a grave sin to commit according to Christian faith. no one has the right to take own’s life except God who gave it to man. in culture/places dominated by christian doctrine/faith, it perhaps is the pulling back to people/person who even at their darkest motion is able to endure and live. suicide is not even an option. when depression is eating the person down yet still coherent, he will be in real torment deciding to do it, meaning unless derange, the person will not be able to do it or when he finally chooses, its the same as losing the Christian faith.
there lived a time when suicide is an honorable thing to do, in order to save face/honor/valor, but at this time it’s quite questionable/frustrating. and yes, suicide tendencies and commits in numerous/repeated cases is a larger picture of how community/society they live in partakes. and i wonder how country like SK is included, when on the surface it seems rosey as they paint. there’s cruelty hidden in giant paradise range.
the clinical side is also interesting. i heard of accidental suicide and impulse suicide, and why do it sound to me as more regretting and reckless. if i recall right, impulse suicide was the “thing” of PYH.
@maejae
Not to denigrate anyone’s faith, but I respectfully submit that once a person is in mental torment, pain, supreme depression whatever label one puts on it, the sin part is probably not something they are going to focus on.
One person I knew in HS, jumped off our school building roof while we in school session. She was Catholic. Suicides could not be buried on sacred ground. I don’t think she was thinking about that at the time. Her torment was greater. Another person, someone I worked with, was a born again Christian, jumped off a bridge into one of our rivers. His faith did not sustain him. He obviously did not feel there was anyone in his church he could go to to help him.
Yes, for as many who manage to succeed in the act, there are probably just as many whose faith gets them through the moment. My cousin and I always have wondered if her father, my uncle could have just waited through the moment, he may not have completed his act. I don’t know how much of a religious practitioner he was. I only met him once in my life. My mother told me he defied my grandfather’s wishes and converted from Baptist to Episcopalian when he turned 18. But whatever his anguish, he took his life anyway. Not sure how much his beliefs came into play.
As much as religions state what is allowed or not allowed, that does not always mean the followers will adhere to those tenets. The human mind and one’s personal soul are very complex parts of who we are. Life should be viewed as precious, not torturous. But illness IMHO just doesn’t discriminate when it comes to affecting people, and how they respond to it.
PEACE
@BAF2
Not to denigrate anyone’s faith, but I respectfully submit that once a person is in mental torment, pain, supreme depression whatever label one puts on it, the sin part is probably not something they are going to focus on.
Actually, they probably will focus on it — as one more thing they’ve managed to screw up. It will not be a deterrent, let’s put it that way, all making suicide a “sin” does is add torment to the people left behind.
For anyone who cares, the reason suicide became a sin in the Christian church is because in the first few centuries, so many people were doing it. Mass suicides were common, and leaders–who were just starting to get a handhold of power–were worried about the faith literally killing itself. (Christianity was initially an apocalyptic religion so its followers didn’t believe the world had long and persecution made life pretty miserable anyway. Might as well get out while the gettin’ was good.) Ironically, they used Plato’s idea of life belonging to the gods to justify their position. (The idea which earned him that cup of hemlock.)
Correction: That was Socrates not Plato. (D’OH!)
Stuff like this is why I use the avatar I do. *shakes head*
@Eliza
“Actually, they probably will focus on it — as one more thing they’ve managed to screw up. It will not be a deterrent, let’s put it that way, all making suicide a “sin” does is add torment to the people left behind.”
This statement does have meaning to it. The impact on those left behind. I’m not a religious person, don’t believe, but I do consider myself a spritual person. I’m probably the only atheist I know.
All my friends and relatives have a belief system, which for them I fully support, because for me caring for those in my life is, unconditional.
But the impact on those left behind has important and sorrowful implications. It literally took my mother years to open up about my uncle’s suicide. Added on top, as you say, an element of sin, it does cause major conflict for those who have to deal with the aftermath. When you see the emotional devastation left behind, it is quite painful. There are no words or few words one can offer to help ease the pain.
Regarding:
“Correction: That was Socrates not Plato. (D’OH!)
Stuff like this is why I use the avatar I do. *shakes head*”
If need be, I think the Typos ‘R US club will be willing to add a new category, the (D’OH/DUH) category.
That is, if you think you might be interested in joining. 
true is that korea is among countries with the highest suicide rate in the world. but make a change by first changing entertainment system? i don’t think so. because suicide is something like widespread, hungry monster in kr society, not just kr entertainment scene (maybe you’ve got this impression as you read most ’bout kr entertainment news?). if any first, it should start with education mechanism – for kr at least imo.
and not to single you out but as how f*cked up as kr government can be (or many many kr people don’t like it), i can name even more famous ent industry of other countries which is as or more rotten than kr ent.
@popo
” i can name even more famous ent industry of other countries which is as or more rotten than kr ent.”
I sincerely hope that your statement proves to be 100% correct on July 19th. I’m praying you’re right. God only knows what will happen next if you’re not. It’s just that SK’s very public, observable track record thus far in the 2 years I’ve been watching closely has NOT been good. It’s been disturbing to say the least. So we wait and I at least hope for the fairest possible outcome to the JYJ lawsuit.
The education is a must, of course. But the entertainment industry is the one that is shown to the public 24/7. The Ent Ind. or rather the stars/celebraties are the ones that influeces people the most, on a daily basis. If all these celebreties are throwing in the towels and taking their lives (They that are suppose to be living the “good life”), then chances are those young teens and young adults are also going to think it’s Ok to do it too. Media is the world’s best friend and it’s worst enemy as well. So definitely they need to do something in there (provide counseling for every artists through their companies). And you’re right, I hear more about the presidents/ministers and the celebrities than about the ordinary people. And I heard Japan use to be @ #1 but since they started addressing the problem, their suicide rate has gone down. Now Korea is @ #1. I really hope they can do something about it, for their own sake.
this suicide number scare me, they need to hire a psychiatrist in the entertainment industry- ASAP
@AngelXia
“they need to hire a psychiatrist in the entertainment industry- ASAP”
If they ever hired a psychiatrist for the SK Entertainment biz the whole thing would be shut down and boarded over the next day. lol
LOL. They can’t have that.
Dear God please listen our prayer, so the trial law between JYJ vs SME be resolved soon on this June 19, hopefully this can provide coolness in the hearts of the fans of JYJ, and more beautiful tomorrow for JYJ and us all, Amen
amen to that!
Amen.
wootwootwoot…
so d verdct wl b on june19..
hping n prayng for d bst..
long live JYJ..
spread d love:-)
For some levity and to move things along. I will add some possible discussion points below.
JUNSU: New name-SEXIA!
NO…his new name “IndoneXIA”
Junsu….Indonesia Love You and thanks for come along here
LOL! I think he’s kept that name because he likes all the puns the fans come up with.
FYI- from Chunnies tweet he is drinking his troubles away, feeling depressed, hmmm… wonder why? How much u want to bet that the 2hr delay of Junsu’s concert will make the rounds to all the crappy “news blogs”, yeah u know who I mean.. AKP and all the others.
@Cincinn
“FYI- from Chunnies tweet he is drinking his troubles away, feeling depressed, hmmm… wonder why? ”
I’m betting if it’s both him and Tae Sung feeling down in the dumps it’s what I call “end of project depression.” This happens to most actors, musicians, recording engineers, etc etc when they’ve done an intense creative project together, taking weeks of constant togetherness and working towards a goal, friendships and camaraderie forms among people and then all of a sudden, It’s OVER and everyone goes their separate ways. After making so many fast friends, seeing them every day, the actor, etc. often never sees these people again! It’s a foregone conclusion that everyone becomes somewhat depressed. My husband was an independent recording engineer and at the end of every recording project he was unemployed again. That of course can be depressing too, it certainly was for him, not to mention missing all the people he’d just worked with. At least for Chunnie though, I’m pretty sure he figures he’s probably going to be able to get another acting job sooner or later. lol
Has anyone watched Family Honour – a Korean Drama.
The drama is about two Korean families. The Ha family who live a traditional/Confucian lifestyle even in today’s modern world and the money hungry, social climbing Lee family. The drama deals with the themes of family, love, honor, and culture.
It is a masterpiece. You can watch on the usual sites, Dramafever, Dramacrazy, Mysoju etc.
If you have watched. What did you think of the drama? I loved the glimpses of traditional Korean culture that the drama introduces to the viewers.
I couldn’t find a trailer, but below is a clip from the drama
“Family’s Honor starring Park Shi Hoo, Yoon Jung Hee, and Shin Goo
This hit family drama tells a sparkling saga of two families caught in love and war.
Ha Dan Ah (Yoon Jung Hee) is the youngest granddaughter of the traditional Ha family, which is headed by grandfather Ha Man Gi (Shin Goo). Widowed at a young age, Dan Ah has been grieving ever since, and life is passing her by. Enter Lee Kang Suk (Park Shi Hoo), the son of the wealthy rival Lee family, known for their ruthless and unscrupulous business practices. The Ha family, very conscious of their reputation and the dignity of the family name, scorn the Lee family, which in turn looks down on them in return. Kang Suk manages his father’s company with ruthless skill, which earns him Dan Ah’s contempt. Soon the two are clashing, but they’re thrown together when both get caught up in a mock dating game. As partners, they begin to change for the sake of each other.”
@lisan
“Family’s Honor starring Park Shi Hoo, Yoon Jung Hee, and Shin Goo”
You said the three magic words I LOVE to hear when searching for my next great, must-see drama: PARK SHI HOO!
It’s goin’ on my List too.
Thanks, lisan!
xxoo
@lisan
” feel you on PSH. He looked even better in this drama. So bad boy, so smoldering.”
OMG! I just shrieked uncontrollably when I read your post. lolol I am so out of control sometimes….
@lisan
I have not watched this one, but it does look promising. It is definitely going on my ‘to watch list’. Thanks for the heads-up. Too bad I won’t be able to be in on the discussion.
@BAF
No problem
. Definitely a must watch. I feel like a PR agent for this drama now, lol.
ps. do you have a twitter handle?
Sure do…@baby_skeet. I know not very dignified for a woman over 60, but it has a lot of sentimental attachment.
Follow me, and I’ll follow you back. Can’t say I spend a lot of time there, but I do try and respond.
@ BAF, got it. Mine was just a random name that I ended up getting stuck with. I didn’t even have one, but made one because of JYJ.
well, glorified version of one of most repeated receipts to cook kr melodrama, as usual, to me at least, for most kr drama series i encountered so far.
or may it be that i’m bored with all kr dramas lately, except for protect the boss which shows some really different characters (that i find most viewer feedbacks simply love/adore every role in that drama) & message/life-approaching to small screen viewers, oh and ending focus too in terms of scripting & directing (that’s something new for kr drama). most of the rest i checked out so far is just bleh, including jyj members’ other dramas or overhyped a man’s dignity (though not as overhyped as a moon that embraces the sun *nightmare to me*)
I’ve got a question: is anyone familiar with MYX-TV? They recently got added to our digital cable lineup, and this morning there was a show called “Music Bang” that was playing Shinhwa, j-pop, and other k-pop groups…..
It’s June 19
GOD BLESS JYJ …
Question : Should Celebrities be Role Models?
” Because of their perceived success, the behavior of celebrities, particularly sporting celebrities, has a significant effect on the public, especially the younger generation. However, these people are examples of success in a specific role, and may not be the best choice for instilling moral values. ‘Lord Voldemort, a 15-year-old contributor to the Common Sense Media discussion on ‘Role Models gone Bad’, describes it as follows: “What has the world come to when parents can’t be role models for their own kids? When they instead let random celebrities do it…”
from: Celebrities/Pop Culture
my answer: to each his own. time proven is that over time definition/concept of ‘perceived success’ changes, of ‘moral values’ changes, even of ‘best’ or ‘parent’ changes. thus judge individually.
have anybody heard about SM movie IAM ?? i mean the ticket sales .. is far far away than JYJ The Day ,,,, comparing with their huge promotion ,, a tons of SM artists versus 3 men?? in you face SM
nope,,,can you share the link???
Yes, forced to watch the trailer of 30+ SM idols smiling happily on the screen while waiting for my movie to start. And they also sell “I AM” goods outside the cinemas.
Today is the verdict?
one month more !
Widmung (@Widmung_01)
Posted Tuesday 19th June 2012
“All hearings of Lawsuit to clarify Invalidity of the excluesive contract between SM between Jaejoong/Yuchun/Junsu has been finished today. Seoul Central District Court will announce its ruling on July 19.”
http://twitpic.com/9y3ry9
data provided by the website of the Supreme Court, Republic of Korea
is it really to be the final result???
one more month!
I guess we don’t really have any choice but wait.
Before you know it July 19th will be here and gone. JYJ will finally be free from the contract with SME. Let’s spend this time while we’re waiting to plan a party!
@kris
Thanks Kris…let us hope for the best! One month is not that far away…
hey frens .. every one may be curious about the lawsuit so
Looks like we’ll be waiting until July 19th for the court to announce its official ruling.
What took place today:
All hearings in the lawsuit regarding the invalidity of the exclusive contract between SM and JYJ (Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu) have concluded today. The Seoul Central District Court will announce its ruling on July 19.
This means the hearing is over but we won’t know the results until one month from today when the court makes its announcement.
Source: Website of the Supreme Court, Republic of Korea
Cr: Widmung_01
In anticipation of the success JYJ, for all that you have endured, your BROTHERHOOD has been your strength, and an inspiration to millions of your fans worldwide…
In union there is strength. ~Aesop
So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth. ~Bahá’u'lláh
Unity to be real must stand the severest strain without breaking. ~Mahatma Gandhi
In all things that are purely social we can be as separate as the fingers, yet one as the hand in all things essential to mutual progress. ~Booker T. Washington
Cooperation is the thorough conviction that nobody can get there unless everybody gets there. ~Virginia Burden, The Process of Intuition
We’re all just walking each other home. ~Ram Dass
Sticks in a bundle are unbreakable. ~Kenyan Proverb
This, especially Jaejoong, Yoochun, & Junsu, you have demonstrated time and time again…
You cannot contribute anything to the ideal condition of mind and heart known as Brotherhood, however much you preach, posture, or agree, unless you live it. ~Faith Baldwin
PEACE MY YOUNG BROTHERS
@BAFfie
On an interesting tangential note, we watched a really truly, honest to God AMAZING movie last night called “The Help.” For those of you who might not have seen it yet, I really encourage you to check it out!
I will email you a discussion on that film. This probably is not the place for me to voice my sentiments. Or maybe hold it for our Sunday chat.
@BAFfie
Okey-dokey.
@butterfliesarefree2@lilibaiyu
Hi! Both of you are such an inspiration on this site…thank you so much!
@micherryblossom
Hi, thanks so much (Oh, OK, I’ll answer for both of us) for your kind words about BAF and me. We both love JYJ and want them to find justice in their fight against SM and AVEX. That’s why we’re here.
xxoo
@micherryblossom
What she, @lilibaiyu said.
For anyone who might be interested, here is an English language site for the Supreme Court of South Korea. It provides one with information on how their judicial system works…
http://eng.scourt.go.kr/eng/main/Main.work
@butterfliesarefree2
Thanks for the link.
Thank you @BAF and @Lili, for the updates. I hope we will be rejoicing together with JYJ, a month from now.
I pray that SM doesn’t succeed in pulling any shenanigans between now and then.
JYJ and JYJ Supporters Fighting!!!!
No problem, you’re welcome. This is the first time I’m seeing this site. So, I plan on doing some more checking out.
“I pray that SM doesn’t succeed in pulling any shenanigans between now and then.”
Well, if they try, we just have to push back at them. We CANNOT under any circumstances allow them to go unchallenged. No wussies in this fandom LSM/SME. We are not going anywhere! I don’t doubt that they will, but it is up to us to not fall for any of it, and let them know we are not easily swayed. Those days are long over!
@BAFfie
“Well, if they try, we just have to push back at them. We CANNOT under any circumstances allow them to go unchallenged. No wussies in this fandom LSM/SME. We are not going anywhere!”
Oh, my GOD it was hard to survive the first half of the day today. I was just SO READY for this to be over, or at lease Round One of this to be over. The idea of sucking it up and going back into the ring for another month of body blows was almost insupportable. I felt myself sinking fast. But like you said, that’s all we can do, that’s the only thing TO do and that’s what we WILL do until this verdict comes in and JYJ is exonerated of everything but wanting to be free and fully autonomous artists. I really believe nothing can stop them now, they are fully experiencing what it means to be free and their success at everything they touch has been unprecedented.
We will simply carry on, for one month more, sending a message to SM:
You can’t end JYJ’s career. You can try with your piss-poor antics and cheap under-handed tricks, but you will never, ever succeed.
Legal cases are notorious for being plodding and drawn out. Only in authoritarian governments or dictatorships DO YOU NOT have to worry about slow justice. But as the saying goes, “this too shall pass.” The wheels of justice do turn slowly. It’s when there are no wheels one must worry.
I’m just content to know there is an end date. I have no qualms as to the outcome. If this was going in SME’s favor all along, they would have been crowing from the rooftops! People who lose something don’t take losing very well. Especially when they have been used to gaming the system for so long.
Here in lies the issue. SME and cohorts are so used to dominating everything, they never take into consideration any other probability. There is a first time for everything. Nothing lasts forever. As justice prevails, the mood will shift. Oh it will take a while for all to sink in. But there it will be staring everyone in the face.
I subscribe to this theory…you can go to the well one too many times. At some point, the well comes up dry. You either look for another well, or you dig deeper. Well again, if you find yourself in a hole, quit digging! As I’ve said before, I can be patient. Patience does not hurt. Having patience allows you to see everything around you. Becoming anxious and frazzled causes you to not see very clearly. When you don’t see clearly, you make mistakes. This is what people who want you to lose something count on, you making mistakes. Where is it written you have to give them what the want? Not happening, not here.
Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu knew from the get go this was going to be a long and ardous process. They were prepared to endure whatever they had to. Why should we be any less capable? July 19, 2012 is going to come soon enough.
My dear sisters and brothers, we have a party to plan! I for one would like to make the time between now and July 19th, less stressful. Let’s think of some fun ways to share the joy and happiness with Jae, Chunnie, and Su! Before you know it, the date will be here, and a celebration will be in order. Who’s on board?!
Preach Sista, preach
Guys, can I ask this silly question? Why are we, JYJ’s fans are called stans by OT5? Ok I don’t have anything against OT5 but sometimes i go to OT5 site just for fun and when they are talking about JYJ’s fans, they called us as stans. Do they even know what stans mean..? I didn’t know what it means either then I checked and this is what stans means…
an overobsessed fan to the point of following a star around.
It is formed from the words stalker and fan.
Stalker + fan = stan.
Source: Urban dictionary
Seriously..? As a JYJ’s fan I don’t like to be called like that though….
Ok I kow there are OT5 here so maybe some of you can tell me why most of OT5 called JYJ’s fans as stans…?
@JaeChunSu
“an overobsessed fan to the point of following a star around. It is formed from the words stalker and fan. Stalker + fan = stan.”
And as we all know there’s a perfectly serviceable word for that already–it’s saesangs. No, “stans” is a put-down that people throw at you when they are trying to say you are an extreme partisan fan of an artist – that’s my understanding of it. People call you that when they think your attitudes about an artist are “over-the-top” of what they feel is normal. Since I don’t allow other people to define me, it’s never particularly bothered me to occasionally be called a stan. It’s just someone who is trying to be insulting, which I’ve always found says way more about THEM than it does about me.
@JaeChunSu
So, that is what they are reduced to now is it? Nothing else going on in their heads but to come up with drivel like this? Well, as my VE Sister says, I don’t allow anyone else to define who I am or not. I’m very comfortable in the skin that I’m in.
Now my definition of being a JYJ stan — I ‘stand’ by my man, well in this case men, at all times. I do not waiver from their sides. I trust, adore, applaud, and support them always. I do not allow ANYONE to scare me off, dissolusion me, or cause me to lose faith in them.
By my definition of ‘stan’, I am like a rock that is here to stay. Ok, maybe more like a short boulder until I lose some weight. But in any case, I’m still here, not going anywhere. They can try and be as dismissive as they want, doesn’t bother me in the least.
i’m agree .. for me .. stan is like people who stand still behind ,, so JYJ stan is people who stand still to support JYJ
There you go!
Question: Do you guy want the official name and color for Us “JYJ” fan?
(I read from article there are fan club register fro fan club name and color such as cassiopia and red / 2 PM is hottest and yellow and black is their color)
I feel like I really want us to have name even simple one like JYJ fan is fine b/c I want JYJ know we seriously love them and them only. but I don’t know how to start the project or register fan club
yes i want a name and color but i really love red the most
Hello to all, I have a question why Yoochun and Jaejoong loved drinking soju and liquor, whether SK culture frees liquor sales?
considering that soju costs around $1 per bottle, cheap as pop drinks. Is this one of the biggest reasons why alcoholism and drunken parties rule in this country?