Dear Readers,
We’ve decided to create an “Open Discussion Post” in order to stimulate debate, discussion and exchange of ideas among our readers.
Because in this place you can talk about different issues, it’s important to remind our readers that you must follow the rules in our blog (Read here).
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Just want to start this week’s ODP with a huge THANK YOU to JYJ3, Mia, and all the other admins. You guys do an amazing job of keeping us i-fans informed of what’s going on in the Republic of JYJ in a timely and professional manner. Everyone is human, mistakes get made from time to time, but I for one know how much work goes into maintaining this site and I want to tell you all from the bottom of my heart how much I appreciate all that you do!!!!
And YAY 20 days until the decision is handed down!!!
I second that sis
Agreed!
sorry wad decision is it?
The South Korean court is scheduled to make its decision in the lawsuit of JYJ against SME on July 19th. That is the decision we wait for.
lining up on this.
thank you so much admin for creating and maintaining this site. i can’t picture what my life will be without this site.
Again, thankU!
I do not really do ODP, or weekend… for heaven’ sake, but what are tweeted lately on Twitterland has reminded me to remind us of something very important. We are JYJers! JYJ3ers, no matter who our bias is.
We can choose to love one member most over the others, but we must always love the others and respect all 3.
I love Jaejoong most, but there is no way I will say anything bad about Chun and Su (and there is nothing bad about the 3!). I love how awesome Chun’s acting is and how amazing Su’s musical acting is.
This is not a way to start a discussion. I just want to express my disappointment.
And thank u so much to Mia and all lovely adminies of JYJ3. Please stay strong! We love you and always support you!
We have a say in Indonesia —> Anjing menggonggong, Khalifah berlalu (The dogs are barking and the Caliphs move on). You are our Caliphs of JYJ world. Love u!
Uhhh…. typo. Anjing menggonggong khafilah berlalu…. the dogs are barking and the khafilah (people who are travelling) berlalu
This!
Thank you adminnies for your hard work and continually updating us with news and other infos about our beloved boys! please know that we appreciate what you’re doing for the JYJ Republic! ganbatte!!!!!
So i just read about The korean version of Hana Kimi. I’m so not excited with this since they made a terrible job with BOF and Itazura na kiss. Sano = Minho(shinee) Mitzuki = Sully (f(x)) and Nakatsu = is the only actor but i forgot his name. And it looks like SM is going to produce it -.-”.
¿WHat do you think?
Honestly I didn’t think BOF was that bad…until I saw the Taiwanese version and I was like ohhh…so that’s how it should be.
But still I love manga turned dramas so I’d give it a shot, oh wait, produced by SM?
Never mind, I’ll make a specific point to never watch it. Seriously, my blood pressure goes through the roof just thinking about doing anything that would, even in the slightest most remote sense, support SM.
Is the Taiwanese version the one in which Vic Zhou played the role of Rui? I remember falling in love with it once years ago but I can’t recall the details now. Anything from SME doesn’t sound promising to me, so I’ll skip.
Yes, and Oguri Shun played the role of Rui in the japanese one. I really like both versions, i was really excited for de K Ver. but it turned out to be a dissapointment. Same with Itazura na kiss and Kimi wa Petto.
@mkverse
” Seriously, my blood pressure goes through the roof just thinking about doing anything that would, even in the slightest most remote sense, support SM.”
Mine too. I do not support anything they do, ever.
I rarely post.. but all I can say is JYJ3 Thank you and Fighting… my respect goes to all hardworking admins and translators.. i consider you as family for loving JYJ members and doing this for the love of them.. let’s learn and live in humility.. if others have accused you wrongly or misunderstood you for some reason just be calm.. there is a God who will vindicate you as He had vindicated JYJ.. For mistakes, lets just generously give apologies to whom they are due, but of course be watchful still… I always believe much respect is always given to the humble heart.. God Bless .. everyday I pray for everyone’s success in your careers and personal lives.. and for JYJ as well.. cheers! Love is a boomerang , so here receive my love <3
Hello fellow JYJers ^_^ I would like start by saying that I don’t post here often but JYJ3 has kept me informed for about 3 months now. I really hope this does not start a fanwar but I thought it should be brought up. Admins, if you feel it’s innapropriate, please delete. So through Twitter I have learned that some fans have a problem with JYJ3 as a site. I will not repeat what they say but I would like to give out a suggestion: If you have a problem with this site, please let the admins know instead of going to Twitter and gossiping about it. That will not accomplish anything except riling up fans on both sides of the argument. I feel that a lot you on here are adults or close to being one so we should behave and handle problems if we feel there is one like logical thinking adults instead of gossiping on Twitter like ignorant 12 year olds. I really hope I didn’t offend anyone but I felt it should be said. I just would like everyone to handle these things in a logical manner instead of complaining on Twitter everytime you feel something is wrong. Here’s something I was taught growing up: the reason the word “reaction” has “action” in it is because it requires you to make an action in order to get the reaction you want. So, just tslking about what you feel is wrong with this site on Twitter with people who have nothing to do with running this site won’t accomplish anything. Talk to the admins who act
Sorry my phone posted early…but talk to the admins who actually run this site…I don’t want to start an argument and if it does delete it.
“I will not repeat what they say but I would like to give out a suggestion: If you have a problem with this site, please let the admins know instead of going to Twitter and gossiping about it. ”
AGREE,
Suggestion: Can there be a section of ‘voting’, where all the relevant voting sites will be gathered and we can open them and vote? I don’t want to miss any chance of voting for JYJ.
Okay, I just saw section ‘VOTE’. Sorry. But I see only one voting site in it. Currently, there is also this competition going on: http://www.ttpaihang.com/vote/rank.php?page=1&voteid=824&sortby.
Hope people will inform JYJ3 of any voting sites not yet listed, so that every one can go and support our boys!
Hi everyone!
On Thursday was the MNET choice awards, just saw a little of it because it wasn’t that interesting. What I liked was when Han Ji Min won for Rooftop Prince for the female but I’m sure Yoochun would have taken the male but sucks all this tv broadcast that don’t want to acknowledge JYJ hardwork. I know this is in a way affects the boys that’s why Yoochun in his tweeter said that he felt he didn’t accomplished anything. I know that all this BS JYJ are going through will be awarded in the most amazing way. I’m sure he has the love of so many that makes him feel better and he’ll get over those depressing feelings soon. My prayers are for his soon recovery!
Just wanted to share my thoughts on this with all of you. Have an awesome weekend!
that’s exactly the same sentiment I had. I saw that voting, and wondered why he wasn’t on the list, seeing how RTP drama seems to garner a lot of attention, and as well as relatively good viewership rating. and more to that, seeing HJM was nominated (did she win eventually?).. but oh well, that does suck. but I just hope he gains recognition somewhere else, I’d be happier if gets nominated for Best Actor somewhere…
I hope so too, I’ll bet that after the lawsuit every tv broadcast will be excited to have now JYJ in their shows!
Frankly speaking, I was really pissed on what I read on Twitter. Instead of sending an e-mail to the Admin, it was on public for all to see rather than wait for the explanation. And excuse me, the Admins do not hover the blog for 24/7. And then to add more oil to fire, gloated on JYJ3′s mistake and question their integrity and so on and on on Twitter. Ask yourself, have you ever be an Admin before, have you ever run a site before? Before you judge, do your self-reflection!
IKR! And it’s not the first time either.
And hold and behold, it seems to come from a certain same group as well.
People should try and be an admin for JYJ3 to know how hard work is that!
I’m afraid to ask what happened…And suddenly very happy that my twitter is only used to follow JYJ.
omg..ofcrse d taiwanesse version(meteor garden) is d best..it strted d whle asianovelas hir in d phil..sooo phenomenal dat brke n set records(tv..albums..concert)..
sorii im spzzing cnt hlp coz im also hrdcore fan of f4).
hopng dat jyj d 3 of dem cn act in a drma 2geder w/ similar genre/plot(isnt it our friendship d mst imprtant of all….one of my favorte line in d drama)..
4 sur it wl b a bigbigbig hit n brk set nw recrds…:-)
congrats to d kings for a sccssful evnt.
luvluvluv:-)
@mkverse
@angie
I’ve been an admin since 2002 at a BYJ’s drama fansite, still am, but non-active because the actors are non-active too (Except Kim Seungwoo last drama in Mr.Ripley with YC). I know the work as an admin is hard, time consuming and the person must have a big heart to be able to take all kind of responses from various characteristics of people with different interests & purposes. Especially in this JYJ fandom that I think is the hardest, because of the sensitivity of many issues around the fans, the members, the agency, the past etc etc etc. I know sooo many haters wished this site to close.
I’m very grateful to JYJ3 admins who are able to take up the task to this day, providing a home for JYJ fans, no matter who their bias is. I have been considering JYJ3 as my home since this site started.
I do hope the admins can keep up this great work, and support JYJ to the end. And we’re here to stay…
i watch video super junior for lotte duty free china version…..until now lotte being good for jyj,but until they using super junior for their model iam little afraid…..hope SM not using their devil trick to make jyj more suffer..
maybe they just need new model and they choose suju… BB it is not there too.
It’s standard practice for a company to change the “faces” they use to represent their products. JYJ had been with Lotte Duty Free for over 2 years, it was time for a change. And Lotte, the larger corporation, continues to support them with the other aspects of their business. I don’t read anything into this change other than the fact that SME is still following in JYJ’s dust.
Before doing this post i was scared because this is not a popular opinion…but then I thought to myself there is not better place to talk about this than this site cause i do not want others read this.
This is about some of you/us and our obsession with bring SM in all our topic… this is something tha I HATE I mean the the only thing that we get with that is promote even more SM and their artis. We JYJ fans already have a bad reputation among Kpop fans, why are we trying to confirm, when you compare I AM vs The Day i was like O_o i mean why to compare why to talk about someone that I’m not interested in, i hate SM and i am not interested in their artis (except Lina but the is not active) but i know some JYJ fans that like some SM idols and they feel restrained to show their love because they know we gonna judge them and this is so sad.
Fu*** SM like really we are THAT immature?? really?? can not we just focus in our boys….like this a i have a lot to say my poor english to do not let me…
i love you my JYJ family but sometime i just can not halp but feel embarrassed sorry (now u can kill me)
Consider yourself killed.
I think you bring up some fair points and I’m going to answer them from my own perspective.
Re: the “obsession” with SME. JYJ’s struggle with SME is a defining characteristic for many fans. That they were brave enough to stand up to a large company against the rules of their society, to fight for what they believe is right and fair treatment is something that many fans–myself included–support in their support of these guys. There is actually far less news about SME on the site than there has been in the past. The only time it tends to come up now is when issues with the lawsuit come up.
Re: The comparison of the two movies. With all of the struggles that JYJ have to go through just to go about their day to day business, it is heartening to hear of instances where JYJ actually wins one and by such a landslide. This is one instance where SME’s continued harassment of JYJ and the people that they work with backfired spectacularly. They article didn’t speak to the quality of the work (that’s the purview of the comments
) but to actual attendance, objective data. These are businesses that have to be aware of public opinion and in this case the message was very clear.
Re: Venting about SME If we can’t do it here where can we do it. I hope that JYJ fans don’t go onto other sites and harsh anyone else’s squee. I adore the CSJH girls but I would never go on a Shapley site and vent about how SME has destroyed Dana and Sunday’s careers. I’ll do it here. I’ll do it on public K-pop forums, but not on a fansite. That’s just fan courtesy.
Re: JYJ fans having a “bad reputation” in K-pop. LOL!! Maybe it’s due to the fact that when I was 15, the song that I would play on repeat has the first line, “I don’t give a damn ’bout my bad reputation,” but whenever I hear that comment my knee-jerk reaction is always, “Fuck ‘em.”
It has become very obvious recently that some JYJ fans have a questionable grasp on what is appropriate so I can understand the trepidation. However, given the bigger picture, articles posted here don’t even come close to being an issue.
I’m trying to find a conclusion but I’m still giggling over the scold about our “reputation”.
Anyone else have something more constructive?
@Eliza
” Re: JYJ fans having a “bad reputation” in K-pop. LOL!! Maybe it’s due to the fact that when I was 15, the song that I would play on repeat has the first line, “I don’t give a damn ’bout my bad reputation,” but whenever I hear that comment my knee-jerk reaction is always, “Fuck ‘em.” ”
Well, of course…. as you all knew I would….. I agree with Eliza’s “Fuck ‘em” comment. This “bad reputation” bullshit is just a weak attempt at intimidation and I’m not buying it for a second. Let’s buck up, kids and grow a pair. It’s going to be tough occasionally to be a JYJ fan. That’s just the way it shakes out, courtesy (OK, here comes another no-no, apparently) of SM and their flying monkeys. They want us to believe that we need to be polite, submissive and not ruffle feathers. Let’s all say a resounding “TOUGH SHIT!” to all three variables.
Let’s all say “We love JYJ and nobody’s going to tell us different.” Let’s not let these fools worry us.
I agree. Well, actually the hate part may be too strong of a word for my taste. But I am rather annoyed when SM is brought up on posts that are completely unrelated to them. I’ve notice when the guys do something kind/great there is always a few comments by various people about how SM and their inability to even be half as nice. So? Why bring up those people. They’ve managed to put a grey cloud over our guys for all these years, and will do their best to continue to rain on any sort of accomplishment our guys achieve. Why bring them up on a happy story/occasions that should be about JYJ? I was confused by the post a while back comparing the two movies…. I mean, really? There was no purpose for that, other than to show off. We are better than that. It makes the site come off as childish. Now, I understand that the age range in this site is from preteens to (shall I say) mature. So its hard to not roll your eyes at some of the comments from time to time. But, its even more difficult when the admin actually behave in the same manner. As far as us having a bad reputation. Sorry I don’t follow kpop per se, but I am a fan of JYJ. I couldn’t care less what other fandoms think of me as a JYJ fan. I can’t be bother by people who would box me into their own personal beliefs of being a total d-bag without meeting me first.
I was confused by the post a while back comparing the two movies…. I mean, really? There was no purpose for that, other than to show off.
Well, yeah.
That’s the nature of fandom. There are weekly awards and polls all over the place. There is spazzing about getting #1 on this meaningless chart and that meaningless chart. There are mentions that people make of JYJ and how good they are with no purpose other than name dropping. Why is this any different? Possibly this was because this represented something tangible; this was about money. This was about a successful business venture and how these upstart punks did it better than the established company. Heavens, can’t brag about that.
@Eliza
My feeling is that there is a sort that values deference and mild mannered rectitude above all else and a sort that tells it like it is, come Hell or high water. We are all just sorting out who we all are.
plue it is you????
@Clock
I respect your right to your opinion. This is not a personal attack. I am simply stating why I don’t give a rodent’s patootie what others in Kpop think. Kpop has enough issues of its own as a genre. Those who fly under it’s banner should be very careful about criticizing anybody. They really don’t want to go there.
Regarding what ‘others’ have to say about me as a JYJ fan and my commenting or not commenting about LSM/SME, as Rhett says to Scarlett in Gone With the Wind…”Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.” Yes, I understand the difference between me and we. But I am speaking for myself.
It is not an obsession, but it is something I am PASSIONATE about. I hate bullies! I will state this catgorically, I firmly believe that LSM is a snake, and SME is a nest of vipers. This is my opinion, and since I am a free woman, I can state my opinion when and where I want to. As Eliza states, it would be bad form to go to an organized fansite and state my views.
But here is a forum dedicated to supporting JYJ and their fight against LSM/SME. These two entities have taken it upon themselves to systematically attempt to derail the careers of Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, and Kim Junsu. I am 60+ years old and do not need anyone’s approval for what I say.
I fully understand your concern. But I come from a different time, a different culture. I am not easily intimidated. I do not live my life worrying about what others say or think about me. Their attitudes are not going to change my support for the young men in JYJ.
What I find interesting is this whole concern about the fandom and all that is going on; especially as the moment inches closer and closer to the final decision in this case. The ‘other’ side would like nothing more than to see this fandom fractured beyond repair. If this were to happen, there go the careers of JYJ. Since they can’t beat them legally, hit them where it hurts. There seems to be more and more activity lately. So, beware of a great many issues popping up from here on in. This ride is going to get very rocky.
Do you really in your heart of hearts think LSM/SME give a tinker’s damn about the feelings of JYJ? They could care less. They have spared no small amount of money or attempts to derail, defame, and cut them off at the knees. Any company that would blow off sexual harrassment of one of their female artists, does not deserve any leeway as far as I’m concerned.
Manipulation, fear, and intimidation are the methods of choice for that nest. I for one am not bashful nor fearful. JYJ is going to stay strong because…
* They are three very caring, giving, and talented young men.
* They are HONESTLY making their own way in the world.
* They seek no special privileges, just the opportunity to participate on an even playing field.
* They work hard for everything they get. The sweat from their brows is from hard work they get to choose. How sweet is that?
* People who recognize them for all these traits will get what is going on. They will not be scared off.
If I choose to denigrate those who are trying to stop the above from happening, so be it. Those who don’t like, don’t have to. No sweat off my nose. When I lay my head down on my pillow at night, my conscience is clear. Can LSM/SME say the same thing?
PEACE
THIS is exactly why I really love your comments, Big sis!
A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ to you!!!
Me, speaking strictly only for myself, I’m not one who back down from a fight either, esp. when it’s to protect my love ones, in this case, JYJ.
Ditto
@Butterfliesarefree2
@Lilibaiyu,
@Eliza
Ditto
Ditto
@Shadow I’d like to join in and say thanks to Big sis and JYJ3 admins
Just wanted to piggyback onto @ Cat95 & @ shadow’s replies and add my 100% agreement to the comments of @BAF @lillibayiyu @ Eliza and @ Emma Lin. Bravo! You guys said everything I’ve always felt about our fandom. Couldn’t have put it better myself.
At the end of the day, I have NO regrets being a JYJ fan nor being a member of JYJ3 family here (it was absolutely 1 of the luckiest days of my life to discover this site).
And as always, my gratitude to JYJ3 Admins for all they’ve done.
I’m joining the crowd, can I?
Me too
@baf
reading your comments makes my trampled heart and troubled minds burning with courage again.
thank you so much for stating all that.
@BAFfie
” If I choose to denigrate those who are trying to stop the above from happening, so be it. Those who don’t like, don’t have to. No sweat off my nose. When I lay my head down on my pillow at night, my conscience is clear. Can LSM/SME say the same thing? PEACE”
Yep. That pretty much says it for me too. Thanks sis, for articulating my feelings EXACTLY.
@BAF My 90 degree bow to you.
@BAF
A++++++++++++++++++++++
I really am more of a lurker but I resonate with what you are saying…….I hate giving SM any attention since I really am completely disgusted with this company. However, I can’t help but feel outraged time and again with their relentless and dirty attempts to destroy JYJ in order to maintain their abusive power and control over the industry. (I am outraged again this weekend that the bigeast fan club event is on the EXACT WEEKEND as JYJ membership week: really? Manipulative much?)
So I don’t really have any answers. It’s such a catch 22. I don’t want to give them any more attention, but I want to call out injustice when I see it at least to bring awareness to what JYJ is going through. Really it’s so pervasive and awful what SM is doing……I guess ir mirrors South Korea’s political environment and reveals actually this company’s total greed and fears……all the more reasons why I admire JYJ for what they are willing to do to stand up for themselves. Some people talk. There three model what it’s like to be brave enough to follow one’s own passion in such a collectively punitive and shame-based culture, and therefore inspire those who witness their journey……..I don’t know what’s going to happen on 7/19, but I sincerely pray that they win and be honored for their trailblazing spirit and breathtaking courage.
Ditto
@ Emma Lin
i don’t know much about jyj fans having bad rep among kpop fans. i know some people are hating, but i guess we just can’t please everyone. i’m a fan of several idols too, a frequent visitors in other idols’ fansite/fanforum, and i think kpop fans behavior is pretty same everywhere. we think we’re the right one, we think we’re the best one, we’re proud of jyj and jyj fans’ achievement, we dislike people hatin’ on us, etc. currently, we’re still in the middle of lawsuit with banning here and there, so i guess sm-hating is pretty much reasonable. jyp hating when jaebum first dismissed from 2pm isn’t that simple either, complain to dsp when kara nearly disbanded isn’t simple too, but now people already moved on because the case is already ended. when the lawsuit end and jyj able to promote fairly free, i guess we all too can move on.
i can resonate with you though. only for different case. thanks for sharing your thought anyway. ^^
I see where you’re coming from, sometimes it goes overboard. But sometimes there’s no other way for us to express ourselves, all the words have been used up and all we have left is an intense dislike of a company that I for one believes should be carefully reviewed by a business ethics committee, not only in their business practices but also in the way the handle young children that they take upon themselves to train, shape, and mold into the next “big” thing by dictating every aspect of their lives and profiting from their dreams of being a star without disclosing what it will really cost them. There is strong emotion there, and there is no getting around that.
Plus, you have to keep in mind that our community ranges from young teens to rocking 60 + (@butterfliesarefree2 I love you!) so of course maturity levels may differ but this community is not about us having anything in common except our love of JYJ and that’s where we relate.
I think Kpop fans, for the most part, don’t like us because of our unwillingness to accept groups from SM. I don’t blame the individuals, but I cannot in good conscious support a company that I believe to be morally, ethically and humanely unfit. And yes, that will hurt other people’s feelings because there is the implication that we are standing our moral ground and they are not, even though that is not how I feel about the situation at all. I have no problem with people liking who they like, but knowingly supporting something I don’t believe in is not for me, I want no part of it. Also, Kpop fans pretty much trash talk all fan groups, we are not the exception.
Do we go overboard, yes. Are we sensitive to the slightest hint of underhanded practices or potential slights, yes. But that is the experience this fandom has grown with. There have been too many situations when we feel hope for a better outcome, only to have it crushed. So maybe we’re a little bitter and a little jaded, but for me, I just want to see JYJ be able to have the same opportunities as any entertainer in South Korea. And I’m not going to shrug my shoulders and try to ignore the shady company that’s trying to hold them back. I fully believe that company is still fully and actively blocking JYJ from many opportunities and until the cease and desist and radically reform their management pratices, they will continue to be the target of my animosity.
Ditto
@ mkverse
i know that but sometimes I feel frustrated i am like can us just can’t forget SM and focus on our boys…i know it is dificult (for all that sm do) but really Why should we see SM name in everything our boys do, is not enough that ot5 bring tvxq all time now jyj fans has to bring sm too… it is something frustrating atleast for me.
Well, I would try to focus on the positive. The downside to a community like this is that it is a free for all for whatever people want to say and I’m not always in an agreement with what everyone posts. But the upside is also that, you have to know, everything commented and posted here is out of pure love for JYJ, try to keep your mind on that.
@Clock
Sorry for you to feel this way. Perhaps this JYJ fandom is not for you. You do have the options to move to another one. But don’t say you will have the same sense of deja vu because no fandom is perfect, which means there will be another type of problems in another fandom. I’ve been there, I know. And bad reputation? Oh please, other fandom do not have “bad reputation”. Nay…..
Why should I move? has JYJ another fondom????
@Clock
We don’t talk about SM everyday…we don’t even mention that name in every post..so,what’s the real problem here..I don’t understand?
Please don’t leave, it’s ok to be frustrated, we’re family here, we may not like everything that goes on but at the end of the day, we are there for each other.
@Clock *hugs*,just skip the post you don’t want to read …next time,sis.don’t go…
@daebaksama made a comment over at the post re: Hayato’s journal, and I ended up writing…an ode to fandom. I think it belongs here.
I’m going to start with her comment:
I am not part of any fandom, and I do not want to be part of any.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are a part of JYJ fandom.
And every person out there who is a fan of JYJ and reading this, even if they never considered posting a comment, you’re part of fandom, too. Don’t try to hide, I see you lurking there.
Fandom is the domain of fans who communicate with other fans. You might just listen (lurk in fandom), you might write or draw or make vids (produce fanworks to share with fandom), you might comment in forums (comments are love!), you might admin a site (the <3 of modern fandom). You might organize meetings with other fans, you might just come to those meetings. All this is being a citizen of fandom.
And the best thing about fandom is that it is infinite! Anywhere there are a few people enthusiastic about a creative work, or artist, or event, there is fandom. In very popular fandoms, you can carve out your own little corner with a few of your friends to ignore the craziness of the general population (fandom is ALWAYS crazy, regardless of province). If it starts to get crowded in your corner, you can move on or you can "kick 'em in the head" (dueSouth fandom reference.
) and defend your borders. It's all up to you.
I adore fandom, in case you might have missed it. I don't always like it, but I will always love it.
Head over to Archive of Our Own and boggle over the number of fandoms represented there. (There are 27 stories for the Elisabeth musical!) And that's just the writers. There are communities of vidders who have their own convention which produces some of the most astounding work. Yes, I'm in the fanworks side of the fandom, but I have also gained admiration for all of the site admins (by being one for a brief time), and the translators who do their best to keep us in contact with fandoms outside our language base. I can point with confidence at the manga scanilators as the ones who set me on the road which has thus far brought me to JYJ3.
Now fanclubs, that's another thing altogether. In any large group of people there are going to be clusters of like minds who just…click. But these *company* endorsed fanclubs are outside of the fandom experience that I'd had up to mid-2006. Fandom was always by the fans, for the fans, and bringing it to the attention of the Powers That Be (Buffy fandom.) was a gross violation of the code. The K-pop fanclubs are so organized, and expected their members to toe the line…. My corners of fandom were always on the fringes, organizing fandom was compared to herding cats, far too many independent personalities.
This K-pop version of fandom was far too…mainstream. I still find it creepy.
I think that's why I jumped into JYJ fandom with both feet. I was used to the fans being the ones pushing at society's boundaries, here the artists are biggest bad-asses of them all. And JYJ fans took charge of their own fandom, they didn't wait to be lead. We let the guys take care of their business and we found our own to occupy ourselves. (Taking a stand on a social issue–the legality of the K-pop business model–is not interfering.) I hope that attitude remains the fundamental basis of JYJ fandom even as the fandom expands and diversifies — infinitely.
[Have I written something like this before? I'm having serious deja vu.]
Thanks, sis! I always enjoy reading your insightful commentaries and this was no exception!
[Typos 'R Us aside: Baffie, Lili, how many points do I get for inciteful?]
Considering I’ve had my own issues with that combo as well, I’d say – 5 pts?
Yeah, ‘hiney’ will always remain a classic! LOL! You don’t hear that one everyday! Brings back memories.
Oh, I understand the G-rated thingy. Had a couple of those myself.
I may and can choose to adhere to some of the believes of the democratic party or XXX faith, but not identify with the Democratic party or XXX faith because of what it stands for as a whole, or what it represents as an institution.
Didn’t mean to step on your toes. … Not hard anyway.
Really the only label I was trying to clarify here was ‘fandom’. How the common k-pop definition of clubs and factions is so restricting and, in my experience, inaccurate. I just wanted to give the idea that there is only one way to participate in fandom a good strong shake in hopes that it might crumble a bit. For me ‘fandom’ is a very positive and inclusive term, encompassing every fan and how they want to express their fanishness. Which includes not being a part of it.
Well, if you “didn’t mean to step on my toes,” as you say, you may wanted to cite my entire comment, in which I said that I love/respect/support the boys and respect the peeps from around the world that I befriended because of JYJ…not just taking a sentence out of context.
But, you did not step on my toes and you didn’t burst my bubble either, as I continue to keep my opinion.
The “stepping on toes” was with regard to giving you a label which you didn’t want, as per your reply. Although, in this case, it was perfect for rhetorical purposes. Therefore the semi-apology.
It was really only that first sentence that I was addressing; it made me think about what it means to belong to fandom. I found the denial of belonging very…perplexing frankly, coming from you, because you seem like such an integral part of this corner of fandom, at least to me. It made me wonder why would someone who does seem to want to be part of the JYJ fan community not consider herself a part of fandom? Could it be because in K-pop circles fandom is very narrowly defined? Which brought me to the wider definition of fandom which I’ve been playing in for the past 13 years, and the rest of the piece.
Ah, fandom life.
I subscribe to this theory…If you pop your fingers while you’re singing along on the radio, or whatever player you use to listen to your favorite music (disclaimer, I still have a turntable and still use it **
**) …you are a fan. If you spend your money on a particular piece of art – books, movies, music, concerts, chotchkies – you are a fan. If you get into a heated/not so heated discussion about your likes/dislikes over a particular artist, you are a fan. If your heart is moved by said piece of art, you are a fan. No declarations are needed. That’s ok. To like something is to be a fan of that something.
Yeah, I happen to like rainbows and unicorns, along with butterlies. I am a fan of these things.
Fandom, now that is a horse of a different color. I didn’t grow up in a culture that did a lot of ‘fandom or fanclub’ stuff. Black folks just simply like going to shows/concerts and grooving. Meetings and get togethers for artists just haven’t been a part of our societal orientation. not on a huge scale like ii has been for some other cultures. Yes, we buy souvenirs, but for the most part, that’s just about it.
Today’s entertainment world is so corporate driven, it’s hard to say where it lead. At this juncture, what I’m seeing from the Kpop perspective is a bit alarming. Impressionable minds are being manipulated at a rather fast and furious rate. But I believe this has more to do with cultural norms and mores.
But being part of a fandom can be cool. I know being a part of this one for me, is cool. It’s my very first fandom!
What am I getting out of it?
- By coming to this forum which celebrates and supports JYJ, I get to keep up with the lastest things happening in their careers. Yes, I like hearing about their private lives, but I don’t feel the need to know everything. I’m happy just knowing that they are happy.
Are there times when things don’t go smoothly? Sure. But I’m a big girl, I get over them.
- By knowing about their struggle for their human rights, this keeps my activitst nature in revved up mode.
- By commenting on this board, I am meeting some funny, fasinating, interesting, savvy, clever, intuitive, and really nice people. Some come and go. But I honestly can say, I enjoy all my interactions. Heck, I’m even part of a forum-subset, the VE Sisters. Anyone is welcome to join if you are 60+. Those in their 40s-50s, can be Jr. VE Sisters if they like.
I look forward to this fandom growing. Yes, there are some issues that seem to be brewing. But you know what? This is a very BIG world. There are millions more folks who have not heard of JYJ. All it takes is for good, positive-minded JYJ fans to spread the word, stay focused, and show the coolness of JYJ, along with their talents. Who could resist? Good trumps evil all the time.
But I’m not trading this experience for anything. It is one more delightful addition to an already wonderful life. I have my health, a home, good family and friends, a number of informative, and fun interests. All I need to do now is hit the lottery!
I don’t know if this is at all a good opinion to have, but I’m seriously concerned about Yoochun and Jaejoong’s voices. Maybe it was the sound system at their venue, but I doubt it as Junsu still sang splendidly… Jaejoong was alright, but his tone was off and Yoochun… Yoochun was just all over the place. :/ I think it’s primarily because of his sickness, though. What do you guys think?
maybe they just didn’t have practice time while junsu must have practiced a lot since he’s doing a tour? jaejoong is okay, he did sounds off but not all the time and still on bearable range. and chunnie did sounds really tired (?) during his solo, but other than that he’s okay.
Well, I think I would chuck it off as this…
Junsu is singing
Jae is working two filming projects – drama and film, speaking, probably no time for singing practice.
Chunnie is not feeling well.
I don’t think there is cause for concern. Everyone can have an off day. Heck, I don’t sound the same each time I try and sing in the shower! Depends on the humidity level and if I have my bathroom window open.
@BAFfie
I feel kind of halfway as with both Dea and you, Sis. This isn’t the first time this topic has been raised, although I always get the feeling I’m walking on eggshells when I talk about it. But here’s the bottom line: a singer’s gotta sing. All the time, preferably every day. Chunnie even more than Jae has not been singing, he’s been acting. His range and pitch have been deteriorating for a while now. Jaejoong is now also beginning to show the effects of not singing regularly. The vocal chords are a muscle, like any other in the body. It’s use it or lose it. When you don’t sing, your ability to hit high and low notes well decreases and your technique starts to get wobbly. Junsu, on the other hand, has been SINGING. It’s all he wants to do and he has been applying himself in a dedicated manner all of this time that Chunne and Jae have been acting. So yes, these 2 could use some serious woodshedding time. (woodshedding btw is a musicians’ slang term for practicing)
Oh, I fully agree. Use it or loose it, does apply here. But I do feel that when the time comes for them to put voice to recording their album, they will step up to the plate. I’m not trying to lessen the importance of a fanmeet appearance, but they were just doing a few songs.
My guess, when they go into the recording studio to cut the tracks, their rehearsal time will bring them up to snuff so to speak. Notice how I pulled up and oldie but a goodie too?
That woodshedding thing has another connotation for me. I’m wondering if it is related.
Yes, vocal cords are muscles and deserve the proper respect they are entitled to. Theater singers in particular, practice everyday. Just like dancers take dance class, to stay on target with their abilities to make any move necessary. I strongly believe that is why Junsu is ALWAYS prepared to jump in and sing a few bars and not miss a beat. He probably came out of his mother’s womb hitting a high C.
I know Chunnie’s focus has been acting of late, but I’m still willing to give him a pass for not feeling well. Sure, the show must go on. But he’s probably taking some serious meds for this condition, and meds can affect you as well.
Thank you admin, this website is such a great way for those of us to be in touch with others that support JYJ. <3
I really love this fandom; it’s not easy being a JYJ fan sometimes, but I wouldn’t trade a minute of this time as a JYJ fan. Thank you Admin, JYJers and our lovely JYJ<333
i just knew that SM will held some big fanmeeting in august, SM art exhibition world tour.
no comment
well, i’m not surprised
This is the reason why there has been so much propaganda on their acheivement recent weeks in Singapore media, the Singapore media gave a lot of coverage on how sucessful the SM town concert being held in Paris & US…muak!
yatta!
thank you so much for this fandom.
great job for admin or all maintainers.
well, i am starting love JYJ because Micky Yoochun hehehe
hopefully JYJ more more popular in future
Does any body know the outcome of the trial in Japan today?
i’m really curious about the result
@sempoi
@astrid
I am too. I’ve been waiting for today all week long. Although, I keep telling myself probably nothing final will be decided today.
But still… I want to know what if anything happened.
hello girlsss!!!
anyone notice that Tarantallegra mv is on KBS channel too?
Does anybody know if Jaejoong is nominated at the Seoul drama awards?