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Kekekekeke ^___^ Hi Everyone!! Mahalo is coming soon.. I always love laid back JYJ… I hope time comes that they release an unplugged album or DVD.. where they just sing with a guitar or piano.. ^__^
“I hope time comes that they release an unplugged album or DVD.. where they just sing with a guitar or piano.”
My ninja sister, that would be so nice. When revisit the videos of JJ and YC at that unplugged type of event in Japan, or the one the guys did for MTVK, while in NYC for their showcase, I get real chills. There is so much vesatility in their abilities, it’s scary, but good scary.
i’m thinking of getting mahalo.. but to think again about the shipping cost… is it worth it? :S can you help enlighten me on this problem that i’ve been having lately?
nevertheless, I already purchased mahalo!
yayyy let’s wait together! 
Well, let’s see… what should we discuss this week? What’s a nice safe topic that won’t get me unilaterally trashed before Wednesday? I know! How about favorite photos of puppies and kittens! Or how about favorite recipes? (no, maybe not recipes. I could be accused and berated for intestinal sabotage.) Well…. how about favorite hymns? That seems safe. Anybody else got any non-confrontational topics to put forward?
Favourite colours? i was planning to ask it anyway this wwek =P
LOL, I enjoy your posts. Feel free to continue to post with “reckless abandon.” Let the truth set your free, my JYJ sista, let it set you free
I kinda took a brief break, but I am back now. Nothing/No one gets between me and my love for JYJ.
@lisan
“I kinda took a brief break, but I am back now. Nothing/No one gets between me and my love for JYJ.”
Oh, goody, I’m glad to hear it. You’re one of my favorite people to read because I know I’m always going to get an interesting perspective – often about things and in ways I hadn’t thought about.
xxoo
kamsamnida
Which came first the chicken or the egg????
Seriously!! I really want to know!
@A Friend Of JYJ
No fair getting all metaphysical on us. W’re just a bunch of teen-aged girls who get weak in the knees when Chunnie smiles.
We’re too hopped up on JYJ love nectar to answer these sphinx-like questions.
Egg.
The egg. Some bird laid a mutated egg that became the chicken
“Favorite hymns?” Seriously? You think bringing up religion is non-confrontational?
Don’t ever change.
This is my favorite Hymn
A well-known Christian hymn written by Elisha A. Hoffman in 1878.
Sung in the video by the Antrim Mennonite Choir, from their album ‘Amazing Grace.’
A whole bunch of us are living dangerously today.
“How about favorite photos of puppies and kittens”
What, you have something against reptiles? huh? huh?!?
I have a topic that’s not new but we have new JYJ3 members lurking
Of the 3 JYJ members which would you: date, have as a lover or marry???^^ I’m going 1st: Date: Junsu, then marry him so he’ll always be my lover LOOOOOOOL!!! 
LOL, cheating, but I like how you think
I’m too old to date, but I’d go for dinner with Yoochun. He seems the type that might appreciate a leisurely meal, a good bottle of wine, a beautiful view. And he’s the one I’d be able to talk to with little effort.
Lover = Junsu I need a good reason to buy those fur-lined cuffs.
And the only man I’d ever consider marrying is Jaejoong. Mostly because I think he’s secure enough that he wouldn’t mind if I kept Junsu as a lover and kept going for dinner with Yoochun. He is awesome that way.
(Disclaimer: The ranking is true, the reasons are for entertainment purposes only. Except for Junsu;s
)
@Eliza
“I’m too old to date, but I’d go for dinner with Yoochun. He seems the type that might appreciate a leisurely meal, a good bottle of wine, a beautiful view. ”
LOL Girlfriend, you have a fascinating, unique and inventive mind. I like the way you think!
@Eliza
Hi
love your answer and wanna copy this if i may- with your permission
“And the only man I’d ever consider marrying is Jaejoong. Mostly because I think he’s secure enough that he wouldn’t mind if I kept Junsu as a lover and kept going for dinner with Yoochun. He is awesome that way.!”
It’s unnerving enough to find out that people–connected people!–actually might read my id-based explications, but now I’m being quoted? What the hell. In for a penny….
(That means, yes.)
@Barbara D. Bolton
I want to answer this ^^
Date: Jejung ^^
Lover:Jejung!!
Married: Also Jejung ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
No need for me to write so many reasons, cos’ the answer always Jejung XD
Ok, I’m lame XP
@Barbara and @Murasaki
I’ve kind of been avoiding this topic too because I didn’t want to embarrass myself. The truth is that marrying any of them would be a nightmare and the reality of it would be awful. A million or so vengeful fangirls after my hide would not be a comforting thing to think about first thing in the morning, every morning.
But as for fantasy, in a perfect world, here goes: date – Jaejoong of course. Every romantic thing it’s possible to do, we’d do it. Lover? Jaejoong – don’t worry, for me, for him, this will work out splendidly. Marry? If we just couldn’t stop ourselves (which I more or less guarantee you we couldn’t) Jaejoong, after which we would write beautiful songs together and be happy as clams, sightly solitary and housebound in his off-time – him cooking, me raptly watching and admiring every dish as it emerged from the kitchen.
Now it goes without saying that his father would NEVER approve this marriage, but that hasn’t ever stopped me before.
@lilibaiyu
love this side of you friend and your answer too
oh i enjoy reading all your answers, hahaha
I would certainly go for jaejoong too- as my boyfriend, lover, husband,
but I can’t resist Junsu’s hypnotizing hip thrusts so i’ll make him my lover and dance partner
while Yoochun’s candy-dandy, boy-next door & regal presence is so irresistible, so i want to keep him as my lover when i want to be laid back or i wish to explore the seas. I’m so greedy and i want them all!
Since everyone else is cheating, I will too! I’d date Yoochun and then make him my lover. As for marriage…eh, not sure how I feel about the whole institution. Junsu I want to play soccer with and JJ I want to cook with.
for me, i want to marry JJ^^ he’s good at cooking (while i’m not
) and i think JJ is type of faithful man
for a lover, i’d go with yoochun. he’s attractive and very joyful, so i’ll be happy along with him all day long
i really really really love jae .. but i dont know .. Chun always the best daddy for my kids in the future … and date .. Junsu .. he is really cute bf
kinda random topic…
what do you think is the most suitable for fandom activities? fansite (wordpress/tumblr/blogspot), fanforum, or fancafe? well, imo each of them has ups and down. fansite is way more open and discoverable than forum and the news are archived nicely, but for discussion, fanforum able to archived them neatly. but yeah, it’s harder to manage (?). as for fancafe, it’s more like fanforum but in fansite-like way? lol idk what i’m talking about. well, i guess it’s back again to the fandom nature. for jyj publicity, i think fansites like jyj3 or other individual fansites are doing good job, but i still hope that i can access great thoughts people have shared in the discussion back then and now easily. what do you guys think about this?
@noiha
This is a very interesting query you have posted. Thank you for positing the query.
I’m going to take a stab at it. To be very honest, my experience with fansites is extremely limited. When I first started following the guys, they were still in TVXQ. So, I gravitated toward sites that gave out information on them as group. Some of those sites were more forum focused, or were sites with a number of blogs. They all seemed quite generic because there was no split yet.
Then the separation occurred. I still followed the sites I was accustomed to, but only looked for information about the lawsuit and how it was affecting JJ, YC, and JS. To be honest, I wasn’t even aware of all the different types of sites you are mentioning. What I did find interesting, and I’m sorry I didn’t do a better job of bookmarking, was the abundance of information floating around about the case. I’m sure a good deal of it was rumor, but sometimes in a cluster of rumors, there is a gem of fact. Or at the very least, a solid interpretation of an opinion or intuition. Some of which I have seen come to pass.
IMHO, in any endeavor to follow, disseminate, and discuss information, happenings, or feelings about your favorite artist/s, and for sake of example, I’m going to use JYJ, there should be a solid foundation. For me, the format is not as important as the factor of anonymnity. Because no matter what the structure of the site (fansite, forum, gallery, etc), if the people behind the scenes, and those who particitpate can always be in question, one has to really take a breath before going one step further and commenting.
It all boils down to a matter of trust. If the site is going to have well established rules and guidelines, and operates fairly, that provides a sense of what the level of trust can be. If it clearly states what the site’s purpose is, and that statement is strong, there should not be any doubt as to what is going to transpire on the site.
As we’ve all seen and heard, the Internet can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. Sad but true. It has the potential to do great things, and vice versa. For me following JYJ as a group is where it is at. Unlike others, I don’t have a favorite, they are all special and precious to me. but that doesn’t mean I don’t go check out a site or two that is bias focused. I just simply prefer to spend my time with all three. Therefore JYJ3.net is my site of choice. I started out with a couple of ones that seemed to be OT5 at first, then it became obvious the trend was changing. Once I began looking for JYJ specific sites, I first looked upon TheJYJFiles, which then led me to here.
When a site begins to grow, especially exponentially like JYJ3.net, there is bound to be the opportunity for a wide variety of opinions, thoughts and ideas. This is not a bad thing. Coming from a country that is not homogenous, the United States, I can tell you diversity and variety can great a very volatile mix. But through it all, it is still worth it to have the mix. I personally cannot imagine growing up in a culture or society let’s say like, South Korea. In a country where so much constriction is placed on just about everything in one’s daily life, this has to be a very sad situation.
When what you say, do, or think is regulated, the freedom of your will is challenged. The same can be said about fansites. Conflicting discussion is not a bad thing. If there is never any conflict, there is no learning. When there is no learning, there is ignorance. Ignorance is easily maniplated. Manipulation leads to corruption. Freedom of expression can change so much. When people are allowed to exchange expressions freely, they provide the chance for someone else to learn something new.
It’s really all in how you broach something. I know for a fact I have from time to time said something in a way that has offended someone. I’ve tried to apologize or at least explain what my intent was. Sometimes it has been accepted, sometimes not, or at the very least, we’ve agreed to disagree. But that is what happens in life. I get over it. Sometimes the admins remove something I’ve posted. I’m still breathing and the sky is still up, it hasn’t fallen down.
I’m hoping as we move along in time, the various sites, especially in the JYJ fandom will come to understand the importance of being vibrant, alive and helpful disseminators of information about JYJ. We all know the main ingredient to the success of JYJ has been its fanbase. Without this base, the guys would have found it a lot tougher to proceed and succeed. Witness their devotion by producing the fabulous JYJ Membership Expo.
If there were to be an official slogan or motto for JYJ I would love for it it be…
ONE FOR ALL, AND ALL FOR ONE!
PEACE
@BAFfie
” We all know the main ingredient to the success of JYJ has been its fanbase. Without this base, the guys would have found it a lot tougher to proceed and succeed. Witness their devotion by producing the fabulous JYJ Membership Expo.”
This is certainly true. It is what they are always telling us and after watching them for several years now, I see that they aren’t just saying it to mollify us. They absolutely believe it and so do I. The Fans are JYJ’s unshakable strength, their livelihood, their very futures rest on the fans staying with them. This is why we as fans (and I have a suspicion that the posters here on JYJ3 are some of the most informed and knowledgeable fans they have) must continue to stay in touch with each other and communicate what we’ve learned (and what we think about it) to the other posters here.
I too apparently have the ability to rub a few others the wrong way but I would simply ask that you please trust where my heart and my loyalties lie. I want JYJ as a group to survive and prosper, pure and simple. The group JYJ is what SM has vowed to bring down at any cost. At the very least they want to break up this powerful musical phenomenon. I do not take kindly to various factions who wish to cause devisiveness among the members’ fans. That shakes and ruptures the very ground they walk on.
My VE Sister, life experiences teach us that there is no such thing as permanency. As the saying goes…the only thing you can count on is death and taxes.
@noiha’s timely posting of this query points out just how important this subject matter is. Because there are so many sites attached to this fandom, anything is liable to happen. We’ve witnessed this already. And because as she mentioned they kind of serve different purposes, this makes it all the more important to help keep the focus on what’s really the goal, or prize (keeping the eye on).
This entire situation is so fluid. Emotions, like hormones, run rampant. Sometimes it’s difficult to get a fix on a particular situation. This is why I said the Internet can be a force for good or bad. But as Gandhi says, “Good always triumphs over bad”. Brush fires, or blazing out of control forest fires, they can all present danger. But the more good that is created and circulated, can outweigh the bad.
Someone used the phrase in another posting…Catch 22. This is certainly true. It’s almost damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But again I say, faint heart never won anything. So, while we avail ourselves of all the Internet JYJ fandom sites have to offer, let’s be mindful of what Chunnie says…”In the end it’s JYJ.” It’s not about you, it’s not about me, it’s about JYJ.
@ butterfliesarefree2: thank you so much for replying. ^^
“For me, the format is not as important as the factor of anonymnity. Because no matter what the structure of the site (fansite, forum, gallery, etc), if the people behind the scenes, and those who particitpate can always be in question, one has to really take a breath before going one step further and commenting.
It all boils down to a matter of trust. If the site is going to have well established rules and guidelines, and operates fairly, that provides a sense of what the level of trust can be. If it clearly states what the site’s purpose is, and that statement is strong, there should not be any doubt as to what is going to transpire on the site.”
true to this. the format indeed didn’t matter to the anonimity of the visitor. even if i’m in forum or gallery, i can use tons of id to comment. but registering needs more effort than people just coming and comment randomly here and there with different ids each time, for the sake of more *anonimity*.
idk how forum/site discoverability (?) works, but i tried google jyj related news, and jyj3 popped up first before other kpop sites (except allkpop). it’s different when i searched another artists related news, even though i know it’s also posted in forum, the forum popped up later. true it makes the news less-discoverable. but the upper side from this? less troll, easier to moderate comment, and when such things as fanwars happen, it didn’t leaked out too much. see, latest fanwar is known to another fandom. so much make a fuss on twitter, quote things from jyj3 discussion, complain about it again on twitter, people coming to jyj3 to check out, complain about it again on twitter, etc. meanwhile, i’ve just found out of some fanwars after i joined the respective fanforum. maybe it’s just on my timeline, but my conclusion atm is (cmiiw), less people discover the forum, less people sputter out rumors they got from random comments.
actually, many have expressed the idea of jyj forum before, and my discussion is simply for that reason. well, i just want to do a quick survey. whether you think fansites is okay enough, or you need forum too, or you’d prefer gallery-style? don’t get me wrong. i can’t thank jyj3 enough for being such up-to-date and neatly archived sites, but i personally think, when the fandom gets bigger, a forum where admins easy to maintain discussion and rumor control is needed. cmiiw.
“actually, many have expressed the idea of jyj forum before, and my discussion is simply for that reason. well, i just want to do a quick survey. whether you think fansites is okay enough, or you need forum too, or you’d prefer gallery-style? don’t get me wrong. i can’t thank jyj3 enough for being such up-to-date and neatly archived sites, but i personally think, when the fandom gets bigger, a forum where admins easy to maintain discussion and rumor control is needed. cmiiw.”
@noiha
I hope I’m understanding the intent when you use ‘forum’. Are you referring to having IM (instant messaging) on the site? OR, do you just want to know if all three site types are sufficient?
Regarding the first, I would have to say Twitter has probably cornered the market on IM. To me, it’s the prime example of good intentions that can sometimes go awry. Anything or anybody can go off at any moment in time and become the HOT topic of a tlist.
To quote Mark Twain: “A lie can travel around the world, before the truth gets its boots on.” Hope I have it correctly. cmiiw, I’m learning something new everyday.
Regarding the second question, with all three site types, there are things that can appeal to different kinds of users. None of them are bad. Since I don’t frequent galleries, I’m not sure what is offered. Fansites of course make it easy for the interested fan to develop a connection for a particular artist(s). They especially make it easy for the site members to help work on special projects. Those we here on JYJ3.net have contributed to, owe these sites gratitude for making it possible to aid in supporting the guys other than commenting.
Forum sites like JYJ3.net, give the frequent user a chance to keep up with as much up-to-date info on JYJ as possible, as well as share opinions and information. Case in point, the petition that was started on TheJYJFiles and circulated around the fandom’s various sites. This was done in response to the petition sent to the court by the producer associations to backup SME’s postition. Let me ask you this. Do you think there are 86K+ producers in SK? That’s how many of us signed the one that was sent in support of JYJ. Now we may not have fancy job titles associated with our names, but we do have voices. Those voices can ring loudly when needed. I don’t think this was lost on anyone. Could it have been more? I guess so. There were some comments to that effect. But still the number is impressive, especially when you consider they came from all around the world.
Considering how many people are on the planet, how many have access to the Internet, the amount of content out here, there really is no such thing as enough. It’s kind of like letting the genie out of the bottle…I doubt seriously if the genie will go back into the bottle at this point.
Which leads me back to my original assumption — integrity. Some have it, some don’t. We’ve seen all kinds of evidence of this. But no matter which format a fan uses or chooses to engage with. Just make sure one uses his/her critical thinking skills. We all have them. Sometimes they don’t always come to the forefront, but they are there. When the bogus nonsense about Chunnie and Jaejoong jumped off, those fans who had the skills and the mindset, went about the business of debunking that nonsense. This is one way the fandom can help make a huge difference.
I strongly believe as many here do, the Internet is going to be the foundation that keeps JYJ relevant. Because the powers that be are not going to become gracious overnight and begin doing the right thing. JYJ is going to still have to battle SM/cohorts for a fair share of the playing field. It’s like anything in life…when you are handed lemons, make lemonade!
So the fandom is going to have to utilize all that the Internet has to offer and make this the most unbreakable foundation there is!
whats going on twitter?there is fan war again?there is anyone tell me?
who is have bad mouth on jyj’s stan or homin’s stan really must shut up..that just make our boy hurt. there is some one who keep lughting if that fan war keep going.let us be lover like jyj..
@hannyjyj: some people wants JJ to change his twitter bio.
but her twitter account got suspended, ngehehehe >:D
12 days till the 19th. Remember to keep JYJ in your prayers.
JYJ and JYJ Fans Fighting!!!
@lisan
Most definitely… been praying for 2 years now…..
Amen
@lisan
Well, I ‘m not religious, but I am definitely keeping everyone in my thoughts.
I do however subcribe to the theory that the Universe rewards your Intentions. So, I have no doubt in my mind that since JJ, YC, & JS are doing the HONORABLE thing and fighting for their HUMAN RIGHTS, the Universe will reward JYJ with the FREEDOM they so richly deserve.
And we as fans are going to get the opportunity to shower JYJ, JYJ3.net and ourselves with the biggest party the Internet has ever seen! I refuse to think otherwise. No, this is not being overconfident. This is about recognizing good over evil. The power of positive thinking! Visualization of the expected outcome.
My bottle of Moet & Chandon is chilling in my fridge. I’m going to make my favorite dip. Have a few other goodies to go along with them, and as Prince says, “I’m going to party like it’s 1999.” Yeah, I know what century it is, but that song is timeless!
@BaFfie
“My bottle of Moet & Chandon is chilling in my fridge. I’m going to make my favorite dip. Have a few other goodies to go along with them, and as Prince says, “I’m going to party like it’s 1999.” ”
Hmmm… wait a minute – did you say DIP!?? I LOVE dip! What kind do you make? Onion? Clam? Artichoke & Parmesan? I love dip!
did someone mention food. Oh la la. Dip, Salsa, Tortilla Chips. let’s get the party started.
I like cheesy and spicy dips.
Yes, I said dip…Onion/Clam.
It seems to be a big favorite amongst my friends. I got the recipe from a good friend and fix it every chance I get.
Here’s my recipe:
16 oz. sour cream
Shouldn’t but I do.
1 sm. can minced clams, drained
1 packet of dry onion soup mix (I prefer either Lipton’s of Knorr’s), but whatever you can get
hot sauce to taste…this ingredient is crucial. If your taste buds like it hot, go for it. Just let it set overnight for the flavors to blend.
Cruidites or ruffled chips…depending on how cholestorol dangerously you wish to live. I toggle back and forth.
I ONLY use Crystal’s Lousiana hot sauce. Now I know everyone may not have this particular brand, so you will have to go with the Lousiana hot sauce brand you have at your disposal. I DO NOT use Tabasco sauce, can’t ssand the taste of the stuff. They are not the same thing. I gave a good friend of mine the recipe. She and her daughter always ask me to make it when they come over. Said theirs never tastes the same. I told them, if I drop dead, they are out of luck and will never get it again. Couldn’t figure out what the problem was. Then I asked what kind of hot sauce they were using. They said Tabasco. Ah, hah I said! There’s your problem. You’re not following the recipe I use. Mystery solved. Sherlock Holmes on the case. I mean how hard could it be to get the same results!
@lisan
Yep, salsa and chips works for me as well. I can only do mild though. I like the lining of my mouth.
@BAFfie
”
“Yes, I said dip…Onion/Clam.
That sounds deliriously yummy~ Well, now I know whose house I’m gonna be at July 19th!
Ah HA! You guys will have to get in the proper spirit with hubby’s kimchee dip! It’s really yummy, and the recipe is super easy, iirc it’s just kimchee, sour cream, cream cheese, mayo, hot sauce (we go with rooster sauce, which I will have to check in the fridge what brand it is cause we all just call it rooster sauce). Man, who needs the superbowl, we’ll have the better party this month
@BAF!
aRRRRRHHHHHHHH! -Sour cream, clams, salsa, chips, onion dip… Lousiana Hot Sauce!!!!
I need to stay away from ODP! How do you expect me to get a waist that looks like THIS! if you keep posting information like this!
@AFriend…
“I need to stay away from ODP! How do you expect me to get a waist that looks like THIS! if you keep posting information like this!”
SEE PHOTO
Photoshop?
Look at it this way…you will only need to overindulge once. Lawsuit decisions like this for JYJ are not going to come every day! Live dangerously if only for a day. Hmmm, how hard can this be?
@BAF
How did I miss this recipe. Thanks for sharing
@springbok7
Interesting idea with the Kimchi, never would have considered using kimchi as a dip base. Intriguing
@lisan
it’s actually super good, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t matter if you buy mild, medium, or hot (like we do) somehow the sour cream etc neutralize the heat so you have to use the rooster sauce. I did check the bottle but I think this might be easier =P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce
(It should be pretty easy to figure out which one we use…. the name we use says it all LOL!)
The trick to the recipe it to chop up the kimchee super fine. We actually dump it into a food processor after we drain it
Damn, I’m pretty sure the next trip we make to the grocery store will see us with two jars of the stuff in our wagon, cause hubby wanted to make loco moco and we usually eat kimchee with that. ugh now i’m really hungry!
@A Friend Of JYJ
“I need to stay away from ODP! How do you expect me to get a waist that looks like THIS! if you keep posting information like this!”
Abandon Hope, All Ye Who want a waistline like Junsu’s but sit at a computer for hours at a time looking at Junsu’s photos and noshing on chips and BAFfie’s clam dip! lol
Hi everybody^^ Does anybody know thenresult for Cjes and Avex lawsuit? I heard it somewhere that the result coming out on July 6th?
I don’t think there has been any updates. The last I heard, both sides delivered some documents to the Court
helo guys…just curious is it allowd hir in this site shipping couples.coz in some site they dnt lke it..
i wana ask f u wer to chose.
who do you wnt to be our king belovd partner..who would you want for them to date.jst for a thought
@jaedara748
No, the Admins have said no shipping here. So please respect the site.
@jaedara748: No, couple shipping is not allowed in this fansite.
kkkk.thnx for d clrifiction:-)
Hehe, honestly I like shipping, just for fun. But some people are super serious about it and seem unable to separate fantasy from reality. I think that’s why it’s a rule here, to keep the crazies at bay
My love and support for JYJ keeps getting stronger no matter what, that’s why I’m here, and if I have to go through the drama like they are going, well I think is well worth it.
“Be as smart as you can, but remember that it is always better to be wise than to be smart!
Enjoy what is left of your weekend! ^_^
In the words of Aviva from Real Housewives of New York, I want to be with the cool girls, which are my Original, Deep and Pretty (ODP) gals
. Lol, I think I am too giddy today.
Does anyone watch or know about the Real Housewives Series (trashy TV, but my guilty pleasure, don’t judge me
)
Can’t say that I have watched the ones in NYC, but I have watched the ones in ATL. It’s a living and somebody’s gotta do it.
I only watch Atlanta, NY and Beverly Hills. The New Jersey wives, too much family drama. The Orange County wives, too much ‘fakeness.’ The Miami wives, waiting to see how their second season turns out.
Do you watch My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding. See trailer below. You can find episodes on CobraUK’s YT channel.
No, I can’t say I do. I really don’t watch a ton of TV, I’m too busy with my online forums.
Nope, heard of it but the one I keep on watching is “sex in the city” not sure if they in a way are simiral, but can’t stop getting some knowledge from there that’s why I can’t judge you cause I feel the same about what I watch! ;D
I watched Sex and the City, during its original run. I blame Sex and the City with the current fascination of women collecting expensive shoes and purses as a hobby
On that they are ridiculous going over board…LOL!
@ noiha & BAFfie
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I’m glad finding this topic ^ so do I, sometimes got confused to find the share + thoughts among our group fans, be it past or new topics.. Honestly, I never follow any fansites/fanforums or any community until last year (except liking fb).
I’ve been captured by JYJ voices since their debut in TVXQ and since then constantly hear their songs+MVs..the vids of their interactions are awesome too, there’s always liveliness hhaha.. Starting fr them, I aware of other korean music (through my life, my pref music is always western and now JYJ as well
wish to hear their voices lively..will try to catch up w/ the concert schedule
yup, the access to old discussion isn’t that easy with fansite format. anyway, if you really need to access old discussion, google really helps. at least, it helped me a lot. xD
I gave up about episode 7, I will wait until the end to finish watching it. Really it makes me frustrated cause I have to avoid dr Jin related posts so I don’t get any spoilers.
I’m really disappointed in the editing team, I feel like they seriously went ninja style on the splicing of scenes together. And the two main leads, I hate to say its their acting, maybe it’s a combo of odd direction and flat characterization.
But I suppose not every selection can wind up being a winning formula. I almost tore all my hair out during ripley, before stopping, for the sake of my hair, and then revisiting it later with adjusted expectations.
Huh, my post went someplace it wasn’t supposed to *palm to face*
Dr Jin is good actually, with pro acting and stuff. But the editing and directing of the movie could be better. Like scenes sometimes can be all over the place and can be quite illogical and eye-brow raising and *wth?* moments? But yea, still nice
What do you people think?
acting? up until the latest ep, of all acts, i can only name some that i agree they act well or so well. but main couple, man, they SUCKS. i said so because by their actings, i don’t know what they are trying to depict or paint rae’s and hyuk’s characters as. nonsense? illogical? one-way thinking? looking-forward? daring? strong-minded? arrogant? especially after ep 14, i can’t believe hyuk’s expression/body language after realizing the heaviness of his consequences in history in ep 12, the best acting course is STILL the eye-open-wide and body-aggressive-posing for extreme emotions. f*, give it a break already, don’t you? and rae? just-cry-and-thing-will-be-solved acting. though i can understand cuz she’s quite known for mary-sue acting.
editing? directing? i don’t like scene changing method AT ALL cuz it’s choppy, like i don’t feel the ‘flow’ for action after action. editing in ep 10-13 is better (got some really nice cut/frame) but directing is still the same, at least to me, so far.
scripting? it FRUSTRATES me as hell. i don’t even know why hyuk knows so sure that if he doesn’t change history, he’ll be back to present, thus trying to ‘fix his errors’ (or of course, to create this drama?)? or why rae thinks she’s deserved a role to get ahead and speak her mind to help hyuk without consideration AND to belittle her fiance’s sacrifice and her brother’s family position (damn, this is joseon and this is korean in the past, where knowledge was controlled by the top and manner/community values as well as social status and man’s powers were EVERYTHING. and at the beginning, she was just a village girl who even didn’t know her brother was behind the rebelling troop, wasn’t she?). or the damn random queen’s order and appearance.
i’m on the way to abandon this series. even jae’s acting is good, but his character is, by ep 14, as limited dimentional as lee beom soo’s, which is such a pity. well, at least, dr.jin kr version is quite significant to jp version, unlike other kr adaptations from jp series (f* bad like hell)
*i should continue watching the tudors season 3 (that is DAMN GOLD)*
@rikachan
“What do you people think?”
I may be under-thinking it (as opposed to over-thinking it lol) But I’m enjoying it more and more as the series progresses. I just finished Ep 12 yesterday (I need subtitles so I have to wait and Dramafever was really late with the episodes 11 & 12 last week.) I feel like everyone’s settled into their characters and I just love the chance to watch Jaejoong (OK, fangirling here) in his progression as an actor, a field that I now am confident he can conquer and be brilliant at as long as he picks his roles very carefully in the future.
@rikachan
I’ve decided to wait until the entire thing has run and is posted on DramaFever. For the very reasons you cite, I became very frustrated with the production quality of Dr. Jin. I really don’t fault the actors. They are doing the best they can with what they are given. I stopped watching after the first 4 episodes. It does seem to be all over the place. This is a total distraction to me. I’ve only watched a few of the previews. Have checked out the photo spreads. I am reading the recaps on Dramabeans. But I’m going to wait it out on viewing the series until it’s over.
@BAFfie
@rikachan
“I’ve decided to wait until the entire thing has run and is posted on DramaFever. ”
My V.E. sister butterfliesarefree is made of far sterner stuff than you or I, rikachan. lol
I have to wait. The damn thing is giving me a headache trying to watch it episode by episode. I’m sorry, but this production leaves a lot to be desired. I keep trying to figure out what was the intent for the story in the first place? Do they – the scriptwriters – even know? Because they sure don’t act like it. I’m just hoping being able to watch it one episode right after the other will help give it some focus.
Haha! Yea! I’m only watching and keeping myself up to date with Dr Jin for the sake of JJ. Would rather watch other dramas like Big. But I learned a lot of Korean history from our history-wiki Jin Hyuk though
Dramabeans! The recaps there are fun to read
Yea I guess the acting is fine but bad editing and scriptwriting and directing is distracting. The first few episodes were like “Are you for real?” but just watched 11-14 and I have to say that it’s getting better.
I felt the same for Rooftop Prince as well. They loved bringing up pointless stuff and just forget about it, not developing them further.
Oh well, Dr Jin IS a fantasy and fictional drama so can’t expect much logic from it eh?
I gave up about episode 7, I will wait until the end to finish watching it. Really it makes me frustrated cause I have to avoid dr Jin related posts so I don’t get any spoilers.
I’m really disappointed in the editing team, I feel like they seriously went ninja style on the splicing of scenes together. And the two main leads, I hate to say its their acting, maybe it’s a combo of odd direction and flat characterization.
But I suppose not every selection can wind up being a winning formula. I almost tore all my hair out during ripley, before stopping, for the sake of my hair, and then revisiting it later with adjusted expectations.
@mkverse
“I almost tore all my hair out during ripley, before stopping, for the sake of my hair, and then revisiting it later with adjusted expectations.”
lol Re: Ripley – I kept wondering how ~anybody~ could fail to notice the ridiculously guilty looks on Miri’s face over, and over and OVER again. I felt Chunnie’s acting started out so closed up and cautious I felt like shaking him by the shoulders and yelling, “Snap out of it!” but after a few episodes it kind of unfolded and revealed his past interestingly.
I’m probably way too dense and dumbstruck when watching a man as pretty as Song Seung Hun going through the motions on-screen. I’m enjoying his scenes. I probably even have a silly grin on my face.
SSH is handsome no doubt, but I only have eyes for JJ! I know, I think I have JYJ tunnel vision
@mkverse
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“SSH is handsome no doubt, but I only have eyes for JJ! I know, I think I have JYJ tunnel vision
Thoroughly addicted to K-dramas as I am, it would be impossible for me to say I’m a Jae Only girl. There are just SOOOOO many beautiful Korean men and SOOOOO little time. Right now, for instance, I’m in Hoo-Heaven, courtesy of an especially fetching Park Shi Hoo in “Family’s Honor.” Oh, my goodness – 54 episodes of bliss. Anyone else who is Hoo inclined, this one gets the Lilibaiyu “Must See!” rating times 12.
@lilibaiyu
hi friend, count me in for Park Shi Hoo, i like him too, i’ve heard about Family’s Honor but will watch it only when its done airing,then ill watch it marathon, and with 54 episodes? i might need a week of sleepless nights, turning myself into a zombie in the end! hahaha
@JYJ1214
“hi friend, count me in for Park Shi Hoo, i like him too, i’ve heard about Family’s Honor but will watch it only when its done airing”
Hey, girlfriend – “Family’s Honor” is really good. I’ve been more or less glued to it every second I’m not working for a week now. I highly recommend it and the Hoo Factor is quite intense.
Eheh this drama got me to like SSH! Really the manly figure
drop dr. jin since ep 5, maybe i’d continue later. i’m invested to the story after did some historical background check, but i still can’t take the directing and editing style, and when i read some recap, i noticed some plot ‘holes’. most k-dramas tend to neglect details (unlike j-dramas). it’s okay for romcom dramas where you just need to put your brain off. however, for a serious and meaty stuff (dr. jin is not a comedy right?), they can’t do that. scriptwriter needs to put every single thing in the most logical way and director/editing team needs to present big picture with even the smallest dot featured. and while dr. jin hold the big grand picture with shiny strokes (and some colors clashed violently leaving you ‘wtf’), it missed those tiny dots. maybe they’ll present all those ‘dots’ later? idk, but the last time i watch this show, they left big holes without any intention to fulfill it out.
now into the acting, i’m not a fan of park minyoung, her range is very limited, and while she tried her best to act with her facial expression, but i just can’t get the gist of acting from her eyes. lol i know this is so random, but that’s what i felt about her acting. however, when i look up some screen cap and watch cuts from later episodes, she clearly tried her best and i had to give her props for that. and yeah, sung seunghoon is eye candy and that’s it. spare his life, don’t ask too much from him.
@butterfliesarefree2: well, it’s something like soompi/allkpop forum (not sites where you can find news) or asianfanatic. gallery is almost like forum (example: dnbn/dcinside gallery), except that the archive is less-organized and more open.
yup, after all, it’s back to each person’s integrity. i too have used different ids once or twice if i’m too lazy to log in (liar, lol) or if i’m going to say something i’m afraid not everyone’s cup of tea, but now i avoid it. if i’m remembered as ‘not so good’ person with my comments, then be it. but still imo, registering on sites or forum (with few unconvinient steps) will require more efforts for ‘double-identity’ people. jyj3 admins must have realized that this site is popular, within fans and nonfans and even antis, and everyone can easily stumbled upon heated discussion and get wrong impression with partial information.
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okaaaaay, i think i’m taking a too long way to just say this. lol. dear jyj3 admins, you’re all doing a great job, the upgraded layout is awesome. from jyj3.wordpress to jyj3.net is also something remarkable. sorry if i’m asking to much, but please take into consideration whether you’ll improve this fansite into fanforum later. add in that jyj will probably get more exposure after july 19th (amen), and more people will be attracted to jyj, thus i hope those people didn’t just ran away (or worse, talked bad behind or on another place) when they stumbled upon heated discussion without integral comprehension regarding the situation.
cheers.
argh, it’s a reply to above topic.
anyway, my reading comprehension is bad, sorry if got the wrong ideas and my reply didn’t match your post… xD
okay, i think i’m just circling around. so to sum up my opinion is…
1. fansite
- more discoverable by non fans
- news archived neatly, discussion kinda scattered
- everyone can comment (including ‘trolling’)
- everyone can write as anyone (multiple ids)
2. fanforum
- less discoverable by non fans
- discussion archived neatly, news can be scattered, but can also archived neatly
- not everyone can comment
- some section can be exclusively for members only
3. gallery
- mixed up of both
- less-organized archive
which one is better? well, i think if jyj3 can stay the same with the site while advancing to forum too, it’d be awesome.
please do share your opinion too. thx.
I guess my issue is that we may be defining things differently.
If I were to use your descriptions, I would flip the first two, adding membership to fansite. For me, JYJ3.net seems more like a forum. Let’s face it, there are more people who come here and use more than one userid. They’ve stated so already. In addition, trolls pop in and out of here like weeds.
But in reality, once you start searching on the Internet for any kind of site, your key word/s will decide what you bring up. What I’m trying to figure out now is what do you think specifically is missing here at JYJ3 that would up the ante?
Taking in all the items you mentioned in both categories, with the exception of membership, JYJ3 has all those. To be honest, I think administrating a site is hard work especially when one has a life. Yes, you add people on to help out, but there is only so much shared responsibility. But in the end it up to the person who created the site to define what it’s goal is to be. We can ask or make suggestions, but the creator still has the final vision.
Bit by bit there are changes and upgrades that get added from time to time. IMHO one of the major factors that enhances a discussion fansite/fan forum are the people who do the commenting. I actually think it’s possible to have too many bells and whistles. After a while you don’t know where to go.
I look at sites like Soompi/AllKpop and shake my head. It’s almost as if they don’t know what they want to do with themselves. Sure, there’s lots of different sections, but in the end what are they really offering. I remember when Soompi first started. What I really loved about it was the information it provided about the various dramas and the actors in them, as well as the discussions about the music. Soon, it became a sign-up site. Then to me, it began to lose it’s appeal. But that’s just me.
Don’t get me wrong, growth is good and change does not have to be scary. But things can also become watered down when they grow too fast. I would hate to see that happen here.
If you are looking for a JYJ forum, here is a link to a forum with a JYJ section. Fortunately, the forum is not as negative as most Kpop forums. Sadly, the JYJ section is not as active as those for other groups. Y’all should visit, like I said before JYJ fans shouldn’t be too isolated
http://hallyu8.com/topic/196-♪▬▬ღ۩۞۩ღ▬▬official-the-jyj-thread▬▬ღ۩۞۩ღ▬▬♪/
PLUE ARE YOU ???? WE NEW MORE JYJ FANS IN HALLYU8
WE NEED*
lol, not plue
interesting fan site, but i think the pic and video make slow on loading
slow no,, no go there and we are so lonely there…
just wanna share my experience related junchan song: round and round…. this song is my favourite from tarantallegra album… the lyric and the music is awesome… I feel that i want to cry every time i hear this song… at the same time, my best friend didn’t talk to me and i don’t know why.. in order to change the situation, on his birthday, i decide to give a video as a gift… the video contains of his pictures and of course junchan song: round and round… can you imagine? a video with his pictures with my favourite song from his favourite singer? one thing for sure, the gift changed the situation between me and him… everything becomes so much better
thanks to junchan, his wonderful voice and awesome song…
Music is not about the visual, the dance, the clothes, the hairstyle..
Music is about rhythm, lyric and the meaning behind it…
Thank you JYJ, for making me feel the meaning behind your music
@Yuya_Chan
“just wanna share my experience related junchan song: round and round…. ”
I LOVED your post! Thank you so much for sharing it. It warmed my heart.
xxoo
I’ve been thinking this since Junsu released his solo album, which do you think a better next step for JYJ for their music and why ?
a) solo album for Jaejoong and Yoochun
b) JYJ album
I want a solo r&b or underground Yoochun arbum…. but yet it is not what i want but what is a “need”… and JYJ NEED a jyj or group activity….. what keep JYJ on the top are the fans, the fans where the one who make in heaven the 4th best seller album last year ever with no promotion… but is it not the same anymore JYJ FANDOM NEED reconstruction.
there are time for solo activity, now the priority is the fandom union before it’s too late.
@Alexa and @astrid
I think you you have the same opinions with the majority at the lower tread, JYJ album first for the sake of the fandom. It’s good but what IF Jae or YC decide to release a solo album first, is it less welcome then? ( just a hypothetical question )
I will support them (obviously)
i want JYJ album!
i support every individual activities of the member, but i want the three of them singing together again. desperately. it’s not because one member only that makes me be part of this fandom, but it’s because three of them. i will say i don’t want JJ/YC’s solo album for now after junsu’s album. it’s been very very long time for me not to hear any new song of JYJ since in heaven album, almost one year. my playlist need to be refreshed with JYJ’s song.
random: i want to see another soulmate project like that melody and harmony. be it ost, ep, album, single, a track in jyj album, whatever. there’s something magical about how these two vocals blend. junsu’s vocal is distinct, while jaejoong-yoochun’s are softer thus both of them offer different sound than what jyj can offer.
@noiha
I dream for a show like Boy Pop Factory in Japan, just a simple stage, but JaeChun performances there are everlasting. I never get tired watching the video of every song they performed on that show. Just pure vocals and everybody knows these two are eye candies, it’s too magical.
Mhm. Musically there’s no doubt each of the boys have more than enough training to hold a show on their own. But I think what it comes down to is their self confidence and inspiration. Aside from Junsu, I don’t think the boys are ready for solo music projects just yet. Strategically speaking, A JYJ album would be best. Simply for the sake of giving them time to prepare accordingly for something so big as a solo. And allow fans time to digest Junsu’s solo without them freaking out about JYJ breaking up.
Junsu has progressed musically and seemingly appeared to find his own. Genre. Style. Vocal. Junsu seems to have figured out what he is willing to do and experiment with. He is also perhaps the one who knows his vocal abilities the best. He’s been waiting a long time for his solo activities and has had years of prep and readiness. He is also the type that does not need a group to feel confidence in his abilities. I think he will challenge himself to be the best despite having no competition. But like anyone, he still needs someone to challenge him in some way in order to for him learn and acquire inspiration which is why I think he thoroughly enjoys being part of a group with JYJ. Finding someone to learn from is not easy as it requires trust as well as ability. And JYJ is a group with three vastly different identities, strengths and weaknesses per member, as well as, experiences and motivation. I believe he and the other members thrive from that. Solo or in a group, Junsu’s musical ability and color is clear to him more often than not which is probably why he was ready for this SOLO endeavor first.
Jaejoong on the other hand is the in between. Many of the members have said this before, he manages to fit anywhere bringing harmony and cohesiveness to the group. I think for him it is a little more difficult to plan a solo because of expectations of what he should be doing. Everyone has different opinions of what he can do the best and quite frankly it has always been difficult for him to fight against that. Like now, and his role in Dr Jin. He plays a pitiful character, not the main or remotely heroic sidekick. For some that’s caused quite a stir because everyone is convinced he should be playing the lead or a highly charming character and can’t pull this off. But in my opinion, he’s doing fine. He’s the type that learns with experience and as he goes along, not by rigid instruction so his character act develops as the same pace as the story. It’s obvious and slow but I’d like to think that in end, successful. It’s the same with whatever solo move he makes. People have very different opinions about what he does best and should do so he has to really plan everything strategically besides simply showing his talent. Having that said, I do believe he is capable of having a successful solo project. When? Perhaps when he gets a better idea of what his individual solo style is. If he plans to have more than one solo endeavor switching extreme genres my fly in Korea but not everywhere else that could severely limit his audience. So he really has to plan carefully. In my opinion, I loved his rock ballad projects back in tvxq days. His voice just fits it so well. The metallic breathy hoarseness that is unique to him just molds to the genre. And he seems to enjoy performing it. He can still wail to a fast pace rhythm and not have to depend on choreography to take over the stage. We all know dance is not his forte. Acoustic rock would also fit his personality well.
And lastly, there’s Yoochun. While Junsu is an all around vocal entertainer and performer who could easily change styles and genres successfully in the curent market, Jaejoong being somewhere in between … Yoochun has a very distinct color. He has an old fashioned voice that while it may be trained to and can perform almost anything, is best when kept in its raw form. That being a crooning pop sort of style. Older styles suit him. But he does have modern twist. He’s a composer first then a singer songwriter. I think he’s said that himself which drove him to teach himself and Jae the piano. He likes to compose, to play. Heck, he can’t even read music but can easily compose and arrange it. Yoochun’s voice has what we Americans refer to as soul. Jazz, R&B pop, ballad, acoustic … His voice is made for that stuff. And I think it’s what he enjoys playing on stage. Although, I do suspect he has a thing for nu-metal styles too. Just a guess. Either way, he’s capable. I just don’t think he’s willing. Out of all them he’s the type that needs to be pushed somehow. If it weren’t for the groups he’s been in I think instead of on stage he would have ended up behind the scenes as composer for other artists. But that could change as he gets older and more confident.
@PandaZTAR
Thank you very much for your response, your post is very insightful.
Thank you. I hope it was helpful and actually answered your question. I tend to ramble a bit. Hence why I don’t post often.
@PandaZTAR
I really appreciate how you laid down point by point the strengths and weaknesses of each member. You must be a good and knowledgeable writer. For someone who has difficulty in writing with English language, I love reading posts like yours, I also learn a lot, thank you.
A writer can only go so far without inquisitive minds. Thank you for posting great questions! ^_^
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i think it’s better for them to come up with JYJ album. That way maybe individual fans can gather once again to support all of JYJ and maybe stop the fight between themselves. I don’t know… But I for one want a JYJ album^^
I’m thinking that way too but on the other side, don’t you think there’s an imbalance between them musically if right after Junsu’s album and solo concert tour they will work as three immediately ? I was reading some comments after their recent fanmeet how the fans are comparing their singing, how Jaejoong and Yoochun were going off and how Junsu has progressed musically, of course that was supposed to be a given since as fans we knew what each of them were doing these past few months but there’s always that comparison. I don’t know, as much as I miss JYJ’s music very much,
I also want to have each of them release a solo album first.
You have a point, but then, since the three of them don’t start their solo activities at the same time (at least not musically), if Jaejoong and Yoochun release solo album and go on tours to do promotion, it’ll probably take the entirety of this year to complete those projects. That will push their official group activities too far away. With the result of the lawsuit coming out soon and the many incidents that cause a rift within the fandom, I honestly think it’ll be better for JYJ to come together as one and produce an album. They need to gather the fans and somehow calm all the madness down first before continuing with what they personally want to do. What I want is that after Jaejoong wraps up his activities, he’ll have some break time to recharge his energy. In the meantime, Yoochun and he can practice singing and re-immerse themselves in music again. It’s already existed in them, they’re talented and capable, so some serious time spent to get back on the musical track will bring them back at par with Junsu. Then they can work on releasing a new group album, because JYJ first and foremost is a singing group. They can’t be forgotten on the music map when there’re numerous new groups debuting and old groups making comebacks. It’s almost been a year since In Heaven. And I miss them.
So yeah, as much as I look forward to Jaejoong’s solo album, if it’s for a greater good atm, I’d say a JYJ album instead.
@BAFI
I really like your analysis here.. They wouldn’t invest in recording studios for nothing..
Also, did they really stated that an album is being worked on by the end of this year? If that is true, it’ll be great!!
everyone, whoever your bias is, please vote for yoochun at the Seoul Drama Awards!!!
@Angie
Yes, nice points there. That’s why I brought up this topic, I want to know other fans thoughts.
@kris
I think the best and easiest way for them to strengthen their bond as JYJ is to let each member have the freedom to express himself as a solo artist with the full support and blessings of the other two if he wishes to do so. Especially with Junsu, Jae and Chunnie have made a point of showing support and excitement for what he has been doing. Jaejoong has contributed arguably the best song he’s written in a long time to Junsu’s project. That’s a vote of confidence second to none coming from a fellow singer. But this is why I admire Jaejoong so much. He consistently shows that he has higher motives in living, in being a trusted friend and as an artist.
@lili
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Yes I agree with you in that aspect as to strengthen their bond, but setting that aspect and fandom drama behind, what do you think is a better step for each member musical growth and advancement, to release a solo work first (mini album, singles, and not necessarily having concert tours to promote) or to sing as three immediately. I know you got a lot of knowledge and experience about music, hope you can enlighten us or me at least
@kris
“Yes I agree with you in that aspect as to strengthen their bond, but setting that aspect and fandom drama behind, what do you think is a better step for each member musical growth and advancement, to release a solo work first ”
Here’s my opinion, and I certainly don’t mean to rain on anybody’s parade and this is ONLY my opinion and actually I’d kind of like to be proven wrong with regard to Chunnie, but I just don’t think a solo album by Chunnie is in the cards. I don’t see that this would be something he’d even want to do at this point. (And again, i could be WRONG.) He has already traveled far down a rather divergent road career-wise and I believe he’ll want to continue accepting roles in dramas and then films. I think he’ll always want to record and perform with JYJ because really it must be the best fun to be with his bros, continuing to realize their hard fought dream of having their OWN career, where they do the work and if they have a success, THEY are paid handsomely for all of their labors. But being a solo act is a far different situation and I don’t see it for Chunnie.
With Jae, I’m on the fence about it. As the leader of JYJ I think his first allegiance is always going to be to them. As leader-sshi I think he takes his responsibility to his beloved JYJ very seriously. Of course, he is more than capable of doing a solo project and I think it would be fabulous, but will he?? I’m not so sure whether he would be truly motivated to do it now or not. He knows he is the object of controversy, totally unfair as it may be, within the group and wouldn’t his solo album just ignite another firestorm of back and forth fanwars among the fandom?
Jaejoong too has been bitten severely by the Acting Bug. He LOVES it now too and will, like Chunnie, be doing more projects, one after the other. For them, doing JYJ promotions and acting is PLENTY of activity. And now Junsu has JYJ, musicals and solo projects. Things have been brought into a nice balance, I think.
I guess we’ll see whether I’m full of hot air or not. lol But that’s my take on things.
@lil
Thank you very much for your kind and “hot” response, actually I expect a some sort of technical answer in terms of musical growth independently setting aside other factors, but reading through it I can only “nod … nod” much more at Jaejoong’s part, sad but I think you’re so right. That’s why I sometimes wonder, what if it was Jaejoong who released a solo album last year (we knew too well he’s out from the limelight for the first quarter of 2011) , would he receive the same positive response from the fandom as Junsu? I don’t want to cause some “hot air” as you’re saying, just an adult discussion, hope no one will jump on me.
@lili and @kris
Yes, I agree that to Jaejoong, JYJ always comes first. He’d rather be with his brothers and anything else. However, having a solo album just means another solo activity, it doesn’t mean he’d detach himself from his group for good or anything. With a voice like his, it’ll be a waste for him not to have a solo album to keep during his career as a singer. Besides, Jaejoong is a very determined and independent person, much more than an emotional wreck that some so-called “fans” think about him. I sometimes don’t know what he has in store. Would you please explain to me why “his solo album just ignite another firestorm of back and forth fanwars among the fandom?” Now that Junsu has been successful with one, it’s just normal if Jaejoong or Yoochun follows his step and releases their own. A lot of fans have actually anticipated that. Jaejoong has been attacked and picked on whether he’s insanely active or simply on hiatus. People just have a little extra something to say about him. However, just because he’s the object of controversy, should he just sit back and do safe move, or better yet do nothing to provide security to the haters? No, that’s not the person that Jaejoong is, he’s thriving against all odds. And why wouldn’t he receive positive response from fandom like Junsu has? Whom does this fandom support? All three or just one or two? Here I thought whatever solo project any of the boy comes out with, we’ll wholeheartedly embrace and support it. Am I wrong?
About Yoochun, he’s indeed taken great interest in acting recently and achieved big success with his latest role. But that boy has a passion for music as well, he’s expressed it many times. So I don’t think acting will completely overshadow music, something he has started and lived with for such a long time. Who knows if he’d just pop out of nowhere after his break with an album in which he’s singing raw and accompanied by his piano? Just saying.
Anyway, the most important thing is for JaeChun to practice singing again and get back their feelings of performing on stage. They haven’t sung for quite a long time and that has affected their voices. Solo album or group album, it’s all up to JYJ to decide after all. Only they know what’s best for them.
@kris, @lili
A small ‘buttinski’, but I think @lili is right on the nose with Jaejoong. I mean, personally, I would be in heaven (no pun intended) if Jaejoong released a solo album or even a collaboration album with Yuchun that was a ROCK album, a la Maze (or even The Only Road — Boo Hwal, as @lili knows one of my all time fav songs), as that would satisfy my guilty pleasure just fine and might even shut up some of the naysayers. BUT, on the other hand, I definitely get the impression that if Jaejoong even sneezes the wrong way it’ll start a fanwar because [sarcasm]oh mah gawd he was tryin’ ta infect [insert Yuchun or Junsu here] oh mah gawd how could he?!? bad bad bad[/sarcasm] blah blah. I feel really sorry for the guy, and I don’t know if I’m just not in the “right” forums/twitter places or what cause I just don’t seem to see the same viciousness triggered between fans of Yuchun and Junsu. I also have the sad feeling that he wouldn’t have had the same response as Junsu, as you fear, @kris. But then again, I don’t think a solo album by him would be able to be considered a “flop” as he does have a large following so I’m sure it would do fine financially, but I do think he’d get a lot of flak for it, which I’d hate for him to have to endure, for yet another thing.
For Yuchun, I don’t know. I think he’d enjoy doing a collaboration album, but I just don’t see him having the time. As @lili said, his schedule is very busy with the drama acting and hopefully some big screen time also (though the selfish part of me hopes he sticks to tv cause then I can watch easy peesy with subs >:D). Having to set aside time to exercise his vocal muscles (woodshedding, was it?) AND do all his CFs AND do his dramas AND his JYJ appearances… and THEN on top of all that record, promote, and tour with a solo album? I think it’s probably too much, there just aren’t enough hours in the day for all that. There is also a part of me (which is probably as selfish as the part hoping for tv dramas) that would rather he work on composing music/writing lyrics than trying to squeeze in the time for a solo album. He does great “behind the singer” work, and I thoroughly enjoy the fruits of his labours in that department, and his wicked sense of humour and self-honesty (honesty to himself and his feelings) comes through in the stuff he writes, and I love that.
To be completely honest, if it was MY perfect world, they would release a “JYJ collaboration album”, which would have music composed etc by them, would have Jaejoong rocking out, Junsu belting out his amazing range, Yuchun doing that amazing thing he does that just makes me purr in contentment to his voice, Jaejoong rocking out with Yuchun, Jaejoong rocking out with Junsu, Yuchun and Junsu coming up with a new sound that’s just the two of them, and then some pieces where they drag others into the mix, like Flowsik and others. Really, it would be a COLLABORATION JYJ album, kind of like those “variety packs” you can buy that has all sorts of different chocolates for you to try. They’re all chocolate, but some have nuts, some have fruit, some are truffles, some are dark choco, some are milk choco, and some you just can’t figure out what the hell they’re supposed to be. Sadly, I don’t know how successful that would be as a profit-making venture, but if Junsu’s album is any indication, I’d be one happy camper!
[Typos R' Us: gah today appears to be a rated R typo day. sigh. i can't even put them this list cause I'm pretty sure adminnies would force me to have a 5min convo with them in the hall if I do LOL!]
I guess I’m seeing this discussion from a different perspective.
I do feel the next thing we see coming from JYJ will be a group album. They’ve already stated one is in the works by the end of the year.
I don’t discount the fact that there may be more of a draw to acting than there previously was. But keep in mind, acting was something they needed to take part in to stay solvent and relevant. Yes, acting is now a big part of their repetoire. It gives them an outlet to express themselves while making big money. The fact that they are good at it, is a plus. I still believe that singing is so embedded in their blood, it would take something HUGE to make any of them stop.
Solo projects are not a bad consequence. They actully allow an artist to grow. I feel they each have a healthy enough ego to want to do solo projects. This only makes them a stronger group member. For those in the entertainment business who were part of groups, they let their eyes get bigger than their stomachs so to speak. Not all survived the exodus to solo careers. The industry is paved with road kill all over the place. I honestly feel the connection between the three is so strong, going their separate ways is something way down the line, if ever. Think how much they admire the acapella group in Japan that has been around for over 20 years.
Yes, the acting has taken a toll on the singing of Jaejoong and Yoochun, but this is not something that cannot be remedied. Junsu’s whole focus has been singing and as my VE Sister Lili stated before, you have to use it or lose it.
The fact that the guys are still in their mid 20s, means there is so much more time for them to develop. Because they possess incredible talents, they are really only just beginning. I just cannot be made to believe that a major investment in a recording studio indicates they are going to focus more on acting than singing. Why waste the money if they aren’t going to use it? Also, taking a look at the sophisticated home studios they each maintain, tells me creating music is not going to take a back seat any time soon.
This is my humble opinion. Time will tell.
@Angie
“Would you please explain to me why “his solo album just ignite another firestorm of back and forth fanwars among the fandom?”"
Hi, I enjoyed reading your take on the future for the members. You made good arguments for all your points. I’m not saying my perspective must be the only one. Since we would all just be speculating on what the members of JYJ will do in the future, I was just presenting my own thoughts and feelings.
I especially liked what you said here: “Jaejoong has been attacked and picked on whether he’s insanely active or simply on hiatus. People just have a little extra something to say about him. However, just because he’s the object of controversy, should he just sit back and do safe move, or better yet do nothing to provide security to the haters? No, that’s not the person that Jaejoong is, he’s thriving against all odds.”
I am a passionate believer in Jaejoong’s truly heroic amount of talent in a multitude of areas, I think everybody knows that by now, so I can hardly disagree with you. What I do think is that he would willingly sacrifice his own possibly ego-driven desires to be recognized as a great singer via a solo project for the good of the group JYJ. The fandom has been especially hard on Jaejoong of late, even when they were professing to love him. What many of them obviously didn’t seem to grasp is that by trashing his brothers, they were breaking his heart and making him feel wretched and helpless to control this huge and hyper-active portion of the fandom who, in attempting to lift him higher up were busily creating havoc and damage to his most cherished and best loved brothers. As I said several times during the Twitter-Riots, this kind of misguided mischief does not and will never serve the best interests of our dear Jaejoong. I could be wrong, but I think it scares him, depresses him (because of course he is helpless to control these people) and inhibits him further from stepping out and doing anything to further incite the thousands of Jae-Only fans who wish for him to be a solo artist. That’s my opinion ONLY. I welcome yours and frankly, I hope you are right.
@BAFfie
” I just cannot be made to believe that a major investment in a recording studio indicates they are going to focus more on acting than singing. Why waste the money if they aren’t going to use it? ”
Three words, babe: Tax Write-Off. IMAGINE what the yearly tax nut is for these three. If they can get a deduction like a recording studio and then take yearly depreciation deductions on all the equipment in it…. yeah, I think that would be a worthwhile investment.
My Dear VE Sister, you are assuming SK tax code is the same as it is here in the U.S. What gives you the opinion that it is? If someone on this forum board knows how the tax structure works in SK, some enlightenment will be appreciated.
Besides, the studio is under CJeS’s name. So, the tax write off however this works in SK will come under that name. No? But that was still a major investment, which again I believe indicates some form of ownership here for the three. Can’t imagine it will sit around unused while they all engage in acting careers. Just saying.
Selfishly speaking, I want a JYJ album! I love them best when they are singing in harmony and I think that’s something that will never change for me.
IMO, I sometimes get the impression that JJ is the most reluctant to release a solo. He seems to thrive around other people, having people feed of his energy and feeding off other people’s energies. Not that he wouldn’t totally kill it with a solo album, but I don’t think it’s something he’s ready to do, it seems like he loves being part of JYJ more than anything else.
Yoochun has talked about releasing a solo album and said it’s not in the near future for him. He wants to plan out every detail of his solo album from the artwork to writing and composing every song. It seems like he wants his solo to be the purest expression of himself as he can get and that is going to take quite some time to accomplish. I think people are under the impression that he is stepping away from music b/c he doesn’t sing very often and is doing very well acting-wise, but for me, Yoochun has always been more about the music, the instruments of sound, the composition, then vocals. I think he even said he was terrible at balancing vocals and instruments together because he always focuses on the instruments and said JJ was much better at balancing the two. His passion, I think, is music, not necessarily singing.
Junsu is just completely fearless, and took that first step. He can sing everyday with no problem because even in his acting projects, he’s still singing, exercising that muscle, his vocal chords are like finely tuned instruments. It’s not surprising that he would be the first to release his solo, and I wouldn’t really be surprised if he was the second solo release before Chunnie and JJ get around to releasing their solos.
And of course this could all just be crazy biased logic cause I want a JYJ album so bad I can taste it. Dear Santa, please bring me a new JYJ album for Christmas, I promise milk and cookies in exchange
@BAFfie
“My Dear VE Sister, you are assuming SK tax code is the same as it is here in the U.S. What gives you the opinion that it is?”
Yep, I’m willing to lay serious odds that a business expense is tax deductible in S. Korea just like it is here, in Great Britain or in any other industrialized nation. Since I happen to believe that Jaejoong-Yuchun-Junsu are a corporation now, as they certainly should be, and that C-jeS includes them as owners, I think their total income filters through C-jeS and that they would in fact get the benefit of that deduction.
What makes you think otherwise?
@lili and @bafi
I’ve been seriously considering living in S. Korea for a year and have been reading up on tax structure for S. Korea. Most of what I’ve been reading has been in regards to expat taxes but I have stumbled upon a few things for S. Korea citizens. Yes, normal business expenses can be deducted however there is also an additional tax on property for any major improvements that raise the value of said property, such as a recording studio, typically about 10% of the cost, plus there are a ton of other taxes a business must pay. I couldn’t find how much of a deductible can be taken under business expenses.
The way Jaejoong supports his other 2 members is honest and I really feel that he invests his heart and soul in JYJ projects. I have this feeling that he holds himself responsible for the breakup of the previous group, & that if things fall apart with JYJ-God forbids-He & everyone else will point their fingers at him. The best way I see to strengthen their brand is to have everyone of them contribute to their JYJ work, so far JJ is the most productive when it comes to JYJ. YC & JS do support but I honestly think it’s time they take the front seat on JYJ projects & album & contribute to the group as much as he did. Let’s not forget that JJ now has contributed roughly 70% of all JYJ songs in all their previous albums. He is kind and loving to his members but we want him to do more for himsellf & to have his members step up a little bit.
The ideal scenario for me is for JYJ to release a Korean album or mini album, early next year, if that not feasible then a worldwide English album with some Korean songs in. I wish to have as many songs composed and produced by JS & YC in this album, I also wish for JJ to invest his efforts in producing a Japanese mini album or single, although am not sure they will before the lawsuit get settled with Avex. I also think their can be enough time for JJ & YC to release solo albums in Korea, & maybe have the 2 of them tour around in Asia together or as solo concerts to promote before the the next year JYJ album.
As for the rest of 2012, I don’t see them releasing anything JYJ this year, 2VXQ is coming back in Sep, their company will spare no efforts in drumming the triumphant return especially after their Japanese activities. If JYJ were to release their album this this year with no change in the situation from last year then we should expect the following:
1) They will only be able to produce their album in batches, as the big producers in Korea have them blacklisted.
2) No accurate reporting of their sales will be reflected on Korean charts.
3) No TV promotions, or radio appearances to promote, their only mean of promotion will be online, newspaper, articles, ads on subway…etc. But still that will not be enough to garner the public attention, other than their fans
4) unless JYJ utilize the help of musicians or artists not based in Korea, or maybe Indie artists who don’t care about kpop & idol infested system, they will not be able to utilize anyone’s help locally because of the blockade. That’s why I think YC & JS should add their input as their fans will be happy about it, also it will add more variety & style difference to the album.
5) They will not be able to hold any concert in Korea under JYJ name, so even their local fans will not be able watch them perform.
As for YC’s solo album, I think he is more than capable of doing that, the fact that he is now interested in acting is excellent, but if YC want to keep the edge and the Hallyu actor charm, he will also not forfeit his singing career, especially seeing that all A-list actors in Korea, sing & release music occasionally. As for JJ solo, I think his solo album is in the works, he just need to to have the others take some of the burden of his shoulders & show him support he deserves.
So, who knows, maybe JJ & YC can release their solo albums simultaneously and have the 2 of them tour around in a mini tour before all members start the production and touring for their next album.
@lili @Angie @springbok7 @BAF @mkverse and @kawaii
Thanks a lot for pouring out your brilliant thoughts on this tread, I’m bookmarking this page, I’m sure I’ll be re-reading your responses in the future.
So the main gist here is JYJ album first (which I was anticipating since May this year but push back due to their individual commitments and Junsu’s solo album release)
except for @kawaii’s
” who knows, maybe JJ & YC can release their solo albums simultaneously and have the 2 of them tour around in a mini tour before all members start the production and touring for their next album.”
– Oh my, can we pray together for this to happen, I’m getting hyper thinking Soulmate touring together, I’ll definitely catch one of their stop. But either way, JYJ album of solo or Jaechun collab, I’ll be a happy fan.
@lilibaiyu @mkverse
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/south-korea-tax-rates.html
The above linked site seems to be inclusive of all the tax structures in SK. It’s written for the lay person, so it’s easy to understand. @mkverse, I hope this gives you more info than you’ve found already.
VE Sis, yes there are depreciation deductions, but they are for the business entity. Just being an investor does not give you the financial benefit of the deduction. That’s like me trying to file for business write-off because I own a bit, a little bit
, of Disney stock. Besides, looking at what the depreciation allows, I doubt if the company has enough physical property to make it that much of a bonus.
Somehow, I don’t see the guys having all their money ‘totally’ funneling through C-JeS. That to me does not make any sense. An investment yes, but all their income? Really? I can’t imagine any accountant worth his/her salt recommending that. That’s like putting all one’s eggs in one basket.
I think they are sharing in the revenue from the company, which will include any tax breaks the company earns. All three have shown incredible business sense. Which leads me to believe, they know the power of three, versus the power of one.
@mkverse
Yes, normal business expenses can be deducted however there is also an additional tax on property for any major improvements that raise the value of said property, such as a recording studio, typically about 10% of the cost, plus there are a ton of other taxes a business must pay.”
They also just recently bought a dance studio for their dancers’ exclusive use. This also sounded to me like a tax write-off.
@BAFfie
“Somehow, I don’t see the guys having all their money ‘totally’ funneling through C-JeS. That to me does not make any sense. An investment yes, but all their income? Really? I can’t imagine any accountant worth his/her salt recommending that. That’s like putting all one’s eggs in one basket.I think they are sharing in the revenue from the company, which will include any tax breaks the company earns. All three have shown incredible business sense. Which leads me to believe, they know the power of three, versus the power of one. ”
I’m betting they’ve incorporated and as a corporation they pay themselves a salary and everything possible is deducted as a business expense. I think they co-own C-jeS or it’s an asset of the corporation.
@lili
Yes, it is probable they have incorporated, which would be a very smart move. I think they are investors in C-JeS, rather than their corporation owning it. Remember this company was formed before they even met Baek Chang Joo. If my memory serves me correctly, I saw it mentioned somewhere, CJeS was formed in December of 2009. Avex didn’t introduce Baek to them until the spring of 2010.
Either way, yes I believe the relationship is much more symbionic, a lot stronger. It’s working out well for everyone concerned. This is probably one of the main reasons SME is having such a hard time dealing with reality. With JYJ being solvent and independent, they really can’t touch them. Yes, they can continue trying to make life difficult for JYJ, but in the end, it won’t work.
My guess, all those social networking contacts have paid off big time. Ain’t life grand?!
huuhuu i’ve been reading and i’ve got to say, i disagree with whomever that says Jae’s solo wouldnt be as positively accepted by the fans.
I actually think, among the three, he’d produce the ultimate response. i’ve seen his popularity, and personally, i think he is the most popular, and most crazed over by the fans. maybe not so in korea, but most from all over the world. IF he get a solo out, i’ll be seriously jealous cuz i know he’ll probably sell more album than the other two due to his popularity.
for me, i want JYJ to produce an album…which also contains their solo songs. yummy. i want to hear jaejoong’s rock songs, and yoochun’s r&b/jazz songs. and junsu’s ballads and dance songs for me to worship over.
sorry if my sentences sounds immature..or stupidly constructed..cuz its 2am, and im sleepy…zzz
@2017questa
“huuhuu i’ve been reading and i’ve got to say, i disagree with whomever that says Jae’s solo wouldnt be as positively accepted by the fans.”
Good heavens, I CERTAINLY didn’t mean to imply that a solo album by Jaejoong wouldn’t be popular, not to mention brilliant! He’s a perfectionist, his writing keeps getting better and better and I’m sure he would pour everything inside him into it, as Junsu obviously did with his recent solo effort. That was not my point. My point was WILL HE do one and if not, WHY? My opinion is that it would not be in the best interests of the unity of JYJ right now because it would re-ignite the Jae-Only fans and more fanwars would erupt. Yes, an album would be wonderful, yes it would sell like hotcakes but Jaejoong is the leader of JYJ and I believe he is thinking of that group’s welfare first and foremost. The fighting among fans tears him apart, that much has been made clear. He despairs of it, can’t control it and the fans fighting among themselves rocks the foundation of what JYJ are standing on. As the leader, I think he will be especially careful for now to stress the solidarity of the group JYJ.
I haven’t heard good quality recordings of recent appearances yet but if there is anything that’s lacking with the boys is I think rest. JJ is filming a tv series, movie, and hinted at composing simultaneously. Yoochun has had a very busy and tragic first half of the year. Solo projects now would only cause more pressure and hastened preparation. Not to mention, Chun’s health is still not in check. They poor guy comes out of one thing only to be stomped by another. I don’t mean to be rude but I stand my ground and say that now is not the time for solo projects for these guys.
@PandaZtar
Agree, agree, agree with both of your posts.
xxoo
Thank you. You mean this one and the really long winded one? LOL. I couldn’t help myself. ^_^
@PandaZtar
Ditto what @BAF and @lilibaiyu said about your posts
——great posts (Both of them) ^^
Thank you. Again. Thank you very much.
I’ve read somewhere that CJES released a statement about JYJ releasing their second english album in the second half of 2012.. is it true? what do you guys think of it?
yes i read that long time ago. that news appeared after JYJ’s concert at S.America.
i’m hoping it’ll become true after JJ finishing his drama. really looking forward for their new album, although it’s english/korean album
Uh, this morning I saw news about JunSu congratulating or support WooYoung’s 2PM solo project, but then the post was disappeared. Was the news wrong or something? ^^
it’s 2pm junsu, not jyj junsu. the article i read mentioned jyj junsu while quoted 2pm junsu’s tweet.
Ahh ok. thanks ^___^
Surprisingly, JYJ’s MV ‘Get Out’ is on tvN.
slow and steady wins the race. Go JYJ
how come? what program is it? does the whole MV aired?
It’s TVN FM”Shuffle”. The whole MV is aired. This is my first time to watch JYJ MV on tvN.
whoa I thought they are not allowed to air any of JYJ’s MV?
I’ve often wondered, how does one ‘grow’ musically? I’m not really that musically inclined, so when people say that they want to see some depth or they want that the guys will mature into their music… what does that mean, exactly? A different genre, or a different style of singing? Sorry for the weird question, it’s just been going through my head for some time now. XD
@Dea
“I’ve often wondered, how does one ‘grow’ musically?”
Taking a talent like Junsu for instance, because he’s such an excellent example of this phenomenon, his voice over time has and will continue to “open up” like a many petaled lotus. It will become richer in tone and develop stronger lows and highs. Further, he will be able to adjust his tone coloration depending on what he is singing. Of course he is already doing that now to wonderful effect, but he will be able to find many other ways of using his voice as time goes on. He’s an amazingly expressive singer with wonderful dynamics now. This ability to control his voice in such a way as to do with it whatever he wishes will increase. The reason for this kind of growth is simple. Junsu is constantly singing, constantly using and exercising his voice. This is what he wants to do and this is exactly what he is doing.
Also, he will develop what I call “good vocal taste” as he gets older. In other words he’ll know what sounds good and what doesn’t work so well in terms of vocal licks, “ad libs” and many note runs (done usually at the ends of musical phrases and in a ride-out.) He will in all ways know what works for him and what just doesn’t. This is why it’s so fascinating to watch a singer like Junsu, who is SO committed to his craft. A voice like his can be wonderful well into his 60s. He has a long long career ahead of him.
“growing musically” is really much the same as the natural maturation and tempering an individual experiences as they age.
Now here’s the part that may get me verbally castrated. Huge caveat that this is all just my opinion and said with the best intentions and sincere love for JYJ. Junsu, amazing vocals, no doubt. However, he has a tendency to just belt it out, doing crazy runs and dragging notes to the point of musical theater. I love musicals, but it’s not necessarily the sound I want to hear in their albums. JJ on the other hand has beautiful control, sometimes too much. He doesn’t push and doesn’t experiment with his voice in the albums which is weird to me cause he is the king of doing kooky crazy voices, and if anyone has the range to stretch themselves, it’s def JJ. Yoochun is limited vocally, he has a very set range, but he doesn’t like to stay in his range, he likes to play around and try different sounds which sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t. These are all things that they will learn as their sound matures. They will learn to take risks, they will learn to respect limits, they will learn the time and place for power vocals. Also the content of their music will change, Yoochun likes to throw every instrument he can into his compositions, just because he can. JJ compositions’ endings are really weird to me, sometimes feeling as though the song just got cut off or something. Junsu tends to stick with powerful and repetitive sounds in his compositions. These are all things that they have already improved upon, but will continue to improve upon as the get older, gain new life experiences and figure out what they really want their music to be about.
JYJ’s sound is really amazing, honestly one of a kind to me, so I’m in awe of how they will sound in the future, it’s just going to get better and better!
@mkverse
I find myself agreeing with just about everything you say about each of the guys. I too have listened to Junsu, and quietly said…ok, you can stop now.
It’s almost as if he doesn’t know the power of his own voice, which is considerable. I would rather that he save some in reserve. But you are spot on that he’s so willing to push. It’s not a bad thing, just something he will have to learn to adjust. Jaejoong as you say, doesn’t take as many chances as he could. This is a shame because he does have so much flexibility. My guess is he was asked to be the ‘anchor’ voice for so long, that taking chances is going to be his next step in evolving vocally. Yoochun as you said does not have the ranges that the other two have but what he does have is smooth to the max. I too wish he would recognize this and work it more. Smooth and sexy is a dynamite combination. If he worked that, he would leave bodies strewn all over the place!
All three are still developing. Good singers are around for a long time, 30-40 years is not out of the realm of possibility. Johnny Mathis has been around for 50+. As they mature, I guess that their styles will change. But the quality of the sound will always be there. That’s what makes them different from the run of the mill kpop artist. All great artists have a signature sound. No one else sounds exactly like that singer.
I’ll be honest. If you simply play a bunch of kpop songs, I wouldn’t know one singer or group from another. Sure there are some good voices, but not many that are distinctive. But I would know the voices of JYJ and the individual members right off the bat. There’s only one Mariah, Whitney, Marvin, Prince, Celine, etc. Distinctive and long lasting.
Totally agree, there’s nothing like JYJ in Kpop, their voices have always stood out from the pack. I can’t wait for the day when they reach music legend status!!
@mkverse
” I can’t wait for the day when they reach music legend status!!”
And they will, if they haven’t already. One of the interesting ways that all of SM’s machinations have back-fired so disastrously for them is that JYJ have become ground-breaking role models for what it means to be an artist today in SK. They have exposed the evils of the idol-makers and the lie of the “training program” among so many other things. I think they are already music legends — to me they are anyway.
Well said, sista!
However I can’t imagine if one day they’ll go separate ways… *knock on the wood* I can’t imagine them competing each other.. They are better off together, even though this may not benefit each of their talents.. They have sticked together so long that it would break a lot of hearts to see them not in JYJ.. I can only hope that all three of them will always have good relationship to the end
All of u guys know about July 19th??!!!!
everyone, whoever your bias is, please vote for yoochun at the Seoul Drama Awards!!!
Have you voted?
yes, of course!! i’m abusing my family’s fb accounts
done our chunnie, Ji min and Rooftop Prince are leading
Done!
Happily voted! And now setting a reminder on my phone to vote once a day! RTP Fighting!
At last SBS realized what we’re talking about for ages : “ranking shows can get real repetitive and predictable ”
(though it’s still dark for JYJ to be a part on this show even after the lawsuit)
Inkigayo Drops Ranking and Award Format
By Corynn Smith | July 10, 2012
Remember our OP-ED about music show formats earlier this spring? It looks like a few of these live shows are finally wising up to what we’ve suspected for ages: ranking shows can get real repetitive and predictable. Where’s the entertainment in that? Thankfully, major broadcasting station SBS caught on and removed the award elements from their popular live music show, Inkigayo.
In a phone interview reported by Star News, an Inkigayo producer stated, “We believe that rather than the ranking system, the most important thing is the genre K-pop being recognized worldwide. Therefore, we have decided to abolish the system after much discussion. There’s really no meaning behind a ranking system. We have decided to undergo this change in hopes that viewers can just enjoy the music.”
Inkigayo aims to become a show that doesn’t simply rehash what viewers have already seen on M!Countdown, Music Core and Music Bank throughout the week. With their new line of thinking, the producers have decided to drop their “Take 7″ top seven artists ranking and their “Mutizen Song” award in favor of more original show content like collaboration and special stages.
The producer continued, “There are a lot of K-pop stars in the music industry that have talent. We wanted to break free from the repetitive system, in which artists release new songs and perform, so we plan on redesigning our system by having the concept of more special stages . For viewers to enjoy the music, we will have more collaboration stages and much more.”
SBS isn’t the first broadcaster to come to this conclusion. MBC Music Core recently went ‘awardless’ as well, leaving KBS Music Bank as the last of the three major stations to keep their awarding system. Come on and catch up, will
(mtvk.com/blog-posts/inkigayo-drops-ranking-and-award-format)
That maybe a step in the right direction but I highly doubt it. SK has so many talented musicians and artists but the sad reality is that no one is giving them a place or the air time to perform. As the whole big companies & TV prodcuers main focus is money, they will still be featuring the same old boring kpop with a blend of boygroups-girlgroups collaboration that might seem like a new idea but is still the same old thing. K-pop, I tell you, is in it’s way to distinction
Of course they have to redesign or diversify or else the rating and marketability of their program will really be going downhill, any product, no matter how good at the beginning will certainly reach a point of market saturation which may be caused by over supply and repititive concept, and that’s how Kpop market is behaving, a lot of new groups entering the market but with almost the same formula or format, dancing here and there, so boring.
@kawaii00
“SK has so many talented musicians and artists but the sad reality is that no one is giving them a place or the air time to perform.”
I’m giving them LOTS of time on my iPod. I agree with you – the wealth of great singing talent coming out of SK never ceases to amaze me. JYJ and once in a while Big Bang are the only “Idol” groups in my playlist. The rest are all solo artists, indie groups, oh, and I currently have a thing for old “Fly To The Sky” stuff for some reason. (OK, the reason is I love Hwanhee and Brian Joo.)
I know you’re talking about the mainstream Korean public not being exposed to these indie artists but as long as they keep making music, I will seek them out and listen to them. It’s rough for them, I know, but believe me it’s rough for musicians and bands everywhere now. Here in the U.S. the big record companies don’t sign new groups much anymore, they just trade around the dinosaur supergroups. So it’s hard to get exposure if you’re new. But great talent always finds a way.
In light of Jaejoong’s adoption and family background issues being brought back in the spotlight, some people are saying that his biological father is actually CHINESE. Is that really the case???!!! I am honestly curious…..
i don’t know that’s true or not beside to be honest if i must choose for talk about it or not, i choose to not to talking about that since that was Jae’s family matter and that’s his private matter also Jae already said before that he doesn’t want to heard anyone speak about that matter again,
One big question that keep bugging me these days is : why those old story and matter such Thai’s village, sasaeng and Jae’s family background came out suddenly again ?why now ? for what ? is this because 19th July event already near ? since everytime something big event which related with the boys gonna come like (JYJ SA Tour,Jae’s FM on Turkey,etc) , there are many small news and rumour come around and after that a big shocked news came out a day before the real event came out. Sorry maybe i just think too much….sigh…….i just want the boys get some a relax and calm time for a while without any distrubing matter or issue…..but i guess it’s not gonna be happen
I, too, find this very rude and obnoxious of ENews! to pull up this matter again after 6 yrs. Come on people, those who have been a fan since DBSK days know he’s adopted, but SO WHAT?! He’s legally Kim, Jaejoong and will always be. That he’s still in touch with his birth mother is nice, if that’s what he wants, but either way it’s his business. There’s no need to replay that again.
Somebody needs to get a life and I think its suspicious about the timing. I’d love to over to SK and slap a few reporters.
I don’t agree at all with what they are doing, however you have to realize, it’s a matter of cultural differences. I am Korean and I’m adopted. It is very common that if a man remarries and his new wife doesn’t want to keep the kids from the previous wife, then the kids get dumped into an orphanage. That’s what happened to me and my sister. When I go to Korea, I never mention that I’m adopted because it puts me at the bottom of the societal food chain. It’s slowly becoming less of an issue, and of course the more successful you are, the more acceptable your adoption status is, but it’s simply a cultural taboo. Essentially, it seems being adopted means that you were rejected by your own parents, therefore, you can in no way be considered as a ‘desirable’ member of society. So while I def see the wrong in that, I’m actually grateful that JJ is so successful because it makes the whole thing more acceptable to those old school Koreans that are slow pick up the progressive shifts in Korean culture.
Speculation around Jaejoong just never ceases. Does it matter at all where his biological father was originally from? The last time there was news related to his bio father was 6-7 years ago. I was raising my eyebrows when the news video about his adoption status and family background surfaced. Why did the media suddenly bring it up again? For people to pity him or for those with ulterior motives to speculate and spread rumors about him? Old fans have already known about his background, and that information is unnecessary for new or casual fans to know. They’re his private matters. The more we talk/discuss about it, the more easily it’ll become rumors that someone can twist. Please don’t think I’m attacking you, I’m just saying.
I am not one to use vulgarities, but seriously F*%& SM. After 3 years and so many delays, a week from the final ruling they ask for arbitration. What dirty trick are they trying to play now?
Also, all the old stories showing up, I see some are trying to target JYJ. No matter how hard they try, JYJ will come out on top. All they are doing is making me a bigger JYJ fan. The more they attack, the more I will support JYJ.
“After 3 years and so many delays, a week from the final ruling they ask for arbitration. What dirty trick are they trying to play now?”
Why am I not surprised? Different day, same s**t.
Come on SME, I thought you would at least come up with something a tad more creative. Arbitration? Seriously? That is what you were supposed to be engaging in when the court cut off anymore testimony back in April of 2011. Court mandated arbitration. You even tried to slime your way through the backdoor with that nonsense article in Japan towards the end of the year. “Can we all get along and come to an agreement?”
Give it up dudes, you LOST! Mind you, when I heard you have a habit of losing, I kind of got this tingle running down my leg, WOW! The handwriting is on the wall. There is no more time. Can you know try and lose this one with some grace and dignity? Oh crap, what am I thinking of, this SME, not possible, they have no grace and dignity. Ooops, my bad.
well said
I noticed that the korea.com facebook page never promotes Yoochun in its feed… instead, it keeps promoting JGS and other actors/actresses… is it true that they are an anti JYJ page and that last year they converted all YC’s votes to JGS???
I’m pretty sure that this page is the same one that caused that voting scandal between PYC and JGS at the last Seoul Drama Awards.
…..seems like they are back to their old tricks. I just wish one year would go by without these crazies and their drama.
LOL! OK I found this webpage that had an amusing entry. The guy has a sense of humor that will NOT appeal to everyone so be forewarned. In fact he can be a bit hostile and you may have already heard of him. Anyways, this particular post is about U2…..so if you can’t handle any kind of negative comment towards this group then just don’t read.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst
I wanted to share this because I NEVER want to give this impression about any group that I like. I find that the fans this guy is ranting about can be found in certain kpop fandoms. (I won’t name the fandoms that I find to have a high percentage of overbearing fans but maybe some pop into your minds) Take a LESSON from these people and just walk away…..I post this because well…..it reminds me of my cousin and her SHINEe obsession and some of the comments she makes……
Thankfully I haven’t seen this in this fandom and I never want to. I just think there is a difference between complimenting or saying positive comments about a group or member of a group as opposed to waxing poetic. That is just smug and pretentious. It gives a bad impression and just brings problems. One can give praise where it is due without going overboard and embarrassing everyone in the process. Again, I DO NOT want problems and in no way am I insinuating that anyone here does this. I just find this post hilarious and again it reminds me of my cousin. However SHINEe is not one of the groups I find to have this problem but who knows cause I don’t hang out much in SHINEe cafes or websites etc…..
So what do you guys think?
OH!!! Also he is vulgar so if you can’t stand that then maybe this isn’t for you because he swears…..A LOT…..
the review looks like asianjunkie to me. no surprise for vulgarities, it’s there for comic relief or author’s stress relief. i don’t really like it, but i don’t particularly hate it.
about fans, i have no problem with those think so highly about their idols. i mean, we all can have different measurement of ‘quality’ (based on our preference), so arguing this group is ‘better’ than that group is simply pointless to me. if the fans can’t accept criticsm, then be it. it’s like they live in their own bubble, we live in another bubble, each to their own. what i don’t like is when the fans start to bring down another party (read: anti) and i’ve never seen such massive anti-fan movement in another pop culture like kpop.
You are right. After reading this again I only found the part of the “lyrics” to be correct. It isn’t so much that fans love their artists (of course they will) but rather the ridiculous lauding. Thinking that a song lyric will somehow change popculture? That is just massively delusional and it is this level of smugness that drives some kpop fans to be just so asinine. THAT is the problem. It isn’t taste. You like what you like but rather the endless (frankly undeserved) praise that some of these idols get. The author of this thing seems to LIVE off of stress relief so I hope no one takes this personally. He couldn’t care less if you curse him out for this cause I don’t think he visits his site much.
I think that the intense almost psycho love these people claim to feel for their idols is EXACTLY what drives the anti-fan movement. Heck though, it is just my opinion. There is very likely more to it than that. Crazy people aren’t easy to solve right? Thanks for the opinion. I think U2 is OK. They are overrated in my book but heck they still have fans so…..eh~
HI there.been following news of JYJ and i have recently become a fan of their songs..i hope to they will come out with more great songs..especially ballad..their voice are something….my friends intro me to korean pop and drama and thats how i got to know them…i do not know if anyone will read this post..Im sorry if I send at the wrong post…as i do not know where to share this..my dear friend is such a big fan of them esp Jaejoong..shes the one who enter me into the world of kpop..she made a merge videomix between jaejoong and an indian actress….its such a great mix that I want to share with all the fans..shes a great videomixer but she does mostly bollywood videomixes…
I hope you fans will check her vm out…i wish JYJ,esp Jaejoong would be able to watch this vm of hers and comment…seriously her creativity need applause…! If any kind souls who could send him this vm via any social network,i would be grateful…
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http: //youtu.be/Za6EBaveyGQ
Her name is Lana….
Hope you all like it.
Zee
Hi @ZEE please Feel welcom to our fandom….
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thank you so much alexa……thats really a nice photo you got there…these guys are multi-talented…they are even love here in my country.they are loved everywhere they go
@Zee
Welcome to JYJ fandom and thanks for sharing this video, so beautifully done. Are you and your friend an Indian?
Maybe we’ll try to tweet this to @mjjeje who knows he’ll be watching this video and he’ll know that his charm has reached Indian Fans. You might as well share this to GAPP (General All Purpose Post) where most videos are shared.
thank you so much for the welcome..about the vm please do..i have been urging my friend of mine to try getting this vm noticed by JYJ….there are some indian fans who are in love with kpop..my friend is not indian ..but she loves bollywood movie..She has been an avid fan of him…She was the one who introduce me to kpop and i start getting addicted to it..I apologise for not reading the rules first…
Pls do tweet it to @mjjeje…i will paste the link to GAPP….thank you….
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