*Arbitration in Korea may defer to your own country’s law system, so it’d be great if you could accept as it says and try not to compare/adjust with your law system.
Arbitration refers : In order to solve an argument, the court intervenes in the parties involved by drawing agreements with mutual concessions so that the court can build bridges to the both parties.
- When one party applies for arbitration, the court can accept if it’s decided to be necessary, or reject it.
- If both parties have successful agreements by arbitration, the case can be concluded as a mutual settlement.
- If agreements are failed, hearings/trial begins again in order to make the judge’s ruling.
1. There were 4 times of arbitration by SM’s request in 2011. Jaejoong/Yuchun/Junsu have not applied for change of dates or arbitration. [Well SM had constantly requested changes of hearing dates before these arbitration. You may know the reason already – all SM wants is ‘not having the case concluded].
2. The arbitration failed to reach a mutual agreement, so hearings re-started in Jan 2012. [SM even applied for delay of hearing preparation date during this period too.]
Anyway, all hearings completed on June 19, 2012, and July 19, 2012 is announced for the date of the final ruling(rendition of judgement) of 1st trial.
3. Today (July 11), 8 days before the ruling, SM’s lawyers have submitted an application for arbitration. It can be accepted or rejected by the court’s decision.
Certainly HoTels are getting crazier than ever as the July 19 is coming, saying such things like JYJ is dragging the lawsuit or some kind of other rubbish. I can confirm that JYJ’s lawyers have never applied for any changes of dates or arbitration while SM is still doing so. Why would they? It’s SM who does not want this lawsuit finished, not JYJ. The members’ lawyers are the one who complained SM’s such behaviours (changing hearing dates, not bringing the witness in time so that the hearing was delayed) to delay the lawsuit in the court.
Anyway, it’s 8 days (soon to be 7 days in KST) before the ruling date, and just ask yourself this question. ‘If you were the one who was highly expected to win a lawsuit, would you apply for arbitration which took months, a week before final ruling date?’ SM’s intention seems so transparent that does not worth speaking of, but I just wanted to explain as OT5s(Well, should I put ‘some’ or it’s more likely ‘OT5s in Korea’?)/HoTels say some ridiculous things to defend SM.(Such as rumors like ‘JYJ is delaying the process’ and others)
Well as July 19 is coming forward, there will be anything about accepting or rejecting this soon so let’s wait couple of days more.
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“but I just wanted to explain as OT5s/HoTels say some ridiculous things to defend SM.” Ok this line kinda annoyed me…i’m an OT5 fan…but i still really f***ing hate SME for what they did and would NEVER defend them…EVER -_- I want JYJ to crush them as much as any other OT5 fan does (like seriously most OT5 fans HATE SME -_-)
And another question…what/who are HoTels?
Many ot5 think that after this case closed the Reunion or they will comeback as 5 .. Grr®rr
So what’s wrong with that? They were five to begin with, YooChun, JaeJoong, and JunSu will still be together. They will just be back together with the other two members ChangMin and YunHo…though i really hope it will NOT but under SME if they do. I will be fine with 2 and 3 as long as they stay as FAR away from SME as godly possible
I don’t think that they can be reunited as 5. HoMin chooses to stay with that company in the beginning and always take their stance by it. When the case is over, I don’t think Homin will leave the company that easily.
I just hope when the case end, the two party will not interfere with each other anymore and let them do their activities without an interference.
there is nothing wrong with that .. but think of it , this whole lawsuit isn’t about TVXQ Against SM but JYJ and sm
if jyj win there will be no change on tvxq but for JYJ , and the same if they didn’t win .you see tvxq choose to stay in SM , they have fuure plans for albums and tours ..etc , and their contract suppose to be ended long time ago ..we are talking about long period of time now … if they wanted to leave they would from the start
and wont wait .. so how will this help them to get back together ..? truly I don’t know…….?!
@Len & Dropsim
I’m not saying they HAVE to get back together (at this point i’m not ‘delusional’ as many OT5 fans are called, and just want them to be happy and doing what they love). My point was that there is nothing wrong if JYJ win against SME and by some miracle HoMin leave SME and rejoin JYJ. What JYJhidupGw said “Many ot5 think that after this case closed the Reunion or they will comeback as 5 .. Grr®rr” made it sound like if JYJ and HoMin decide to reunite the world would crumble underneath our feet.
It should be their choice and theirs alone. If they had a fight causing all this then i wouldn’t want them together just for them to fight again. But if this started as a misunderstanding and JYJ are being kept away from HoMin so they can’t make up, then why wouldn’t we want that? If you still remember JJ tweeted once that he still misses the other two members. But again it is all up to them too see what they choose, and all we can do is watch from the sidelines as usual.
i don’t want them back as 5till Homin do some thing major than just leaving SM if things go as we want. They have’t done any thing to protect ther friends the past 3years and do u actually think they should be looked over tht. I love jyj and i just want want them to have the freedom to be on TV like others and not being used by SM or anybody els
@1jyj
“They have’t done any thing to protect ther friends the past 3years and do u actually think they should be looked over tht”
That’s exactly what I think… one can kind of overlook everything, that they stayed with SM, etc. but this was always something I never understood, because nobody can tell me that they did not know what’s going on and the endpoint for me was when Yoochuns father died and they weren’t there to support him (at least as far as I know). But I wish both JYJ (of course, YAY) and HoMin to live happily.
It’s not bad at all if they want to reunite as 5. But lets examine a few facts first. (1)HoMin = SME, SME hates JYJ and vise versa. SME will never allow HoMin to associate with JYJ. Period! (2)HoMin do not want to leave SME and will never leave SME. Why? Because they made such a big deal about how awesome SME is and how it’s a betrayal for anyone to leave SME etc. If they ever get the nerve to leave SME people will throw potatoes at them; translation = no one will trust their words again if they leave SME. They will consider this and remain at SME’s side forever even if they don’t want to. They missed their chance to leave. (3) At this juncture in their various careers the only thing they can do together (if by some miracle they do reunite) is sit together and have coffee @ starbucks. That’s it. However we never discount miracles. So we should always KTF (term used loosely).
@loveunchanged “Why? Because they made such a big deal about how awesome SME is and how it’s a betrayal for anyone to leave SME etc. If they ever get the nerve to leave SME people will throw potatoes at them”
Thats that. The minute it was proven those words truly came from homin, along with the insults from changmin to junsu, i lost all my hope for the five. they sealed the exit door themselves. what a shame. like u said, they wont be able to get out of sm after what they said. even if they want to. and like hell will i ever want jyj to ever set foot in sm.
@JYJhidupGw
“Many ot5 think that after this case closed the Reunion or they will comeback as 5 .. Grr®rr”
It just can’t happen, for a few reasons that so many of us here have delineated and explained so many times. Yes, of course there’s always wishful thinking and miraculous occurrences. Those are an OT5s 2 choices if they’re seriously expecting a reunion when the case is settled. Homin is under contract to SM and can not act independently of their will. Changmin has said he will spend the rest of his life proving that he made the right decision to stay. JYJ will certainly never go back to SM. For their part, SM has shown countless times over the last 2 years that they don’t care about what the fans want, they only care about punishing JYJ and ruining their chances for a career.
after what happens in the past few years, i don’t understand why people still want them to be reunited. can’t people get a life to see that there’s no even small chance for them to go back as a five? i never found HoMin says something about want to reunited back or says something defend towards JYJ (or they can’t? stop being a puppet HoMin!)
@Lilibaiyu
“Changmin has said he will spend the rest of his life proving that he made the right decision to stay.”
Changmin probably said that out of anger..( I like to call it a young and angry statement) the situation was still fresh than..I can’t speak for him but he probably does not feel that way anymore..as he has had time to grow from the situation..but this is just my opinion..
I think one of the good things that came out of the breakup..is that Changmin was forced to step out of his safe haven and become his own man….instead of relying on his hyungs all the time…he had to be in the front this time…if TVXQ had of stayed together he would probably never learned his own strength and neither would the rest of them….
@Daisy
“Changmin probably said that out of anger..( I like to call it a young and angry statement) the situation was still fresh than..I can’t speak for him but…”
You wrote the above quoted post and then went on from there. Respectfully, I chose to stop reading after “I can’t speak for him.”
That works for me.
My VE sister, we have had this conversation so many times. At this point everything is going to come out of the woodwork between now and next week.
The amount of time it is going to take for bygones to become bygones, is getting bigger and bigger as we speak. No matter what anyone else thinks about a reunion, unless some MAJOR APOLOGIZING is done on the part of HoMin, people should not even think about holding their collective breaths. And I do mean, ON BENDED KNEES APOLOGIZING.
A reunion show in the far future, maybe. Anything else more intimate, well………….. I’m taking odds folks!
@lilibaiyu
“Changmin has said he will spend the rest of his life proving that he made the right decision to stay”.
#justsaying, such statement can also be seen as, he wants to prove to himself, that he did the right thing….I mean for me, if I am sure I made the right decision I don’t have to prove it… but really, #justsaying (^_^)v
@Daisy
So what if Changmin said it out of anger? He was an adult when he said that, so he must take responsibility for his statement. More so if he’s a celebrity and said it publicly. You can’t simply take back what had come out of your mouth. You’re right, he’s grown from the situation. He’s grown from “I’m angry and bitter,” to “I don’t give a shit anymore. I’m happy with the group and company I’m in.” That vibe from him is pretty clear if you ask me.
TV2XQ have never expressed their hope or desire for a reunion or even to get out of SME. They didn’t have even one encouraging word for JYJ who are still fighting the battle. They and their fans blame JYJ for leaving. But when it comes to wishing for a reunion, most OT5s put that liability on JYJ’s shoulders. If JYJ win or is close to winning the case, the first thing is their minds is most likely not “oh yay, JYJ are free now, congrats!,” but “oh, then what about DB5K? Will JYJ also get Homin out of SME to reunite?” *facepalm* It has to come both ways, geez!
@ lilibaiyu
“Changmin has said he will spend the rest of his life proving that he made the right decision to stay. ”
Sorry can you tell me when he say that ?
can’t believe changmin said something like that, so in the end this is just about you pride, sigh
@Angie
“So what if Changmin said it out of anger? He was an adult when he said that, so he must take responsibility for his statement. More so if he’s a celebrity and said it publicly. You can’t simply take back what had come out of your mouth. You’re right, he’s grown from the situation. He’s grown from “I’m angry and bitter,” to “I don’t give a shit anymore. I’m happy with the group and company I’m in.” That vibe from him is pretty clear if you ask me.
TV2XQ have never expressed their hope or desire for a reunion or even to get out of SME. They didn’t have even one encouraging word for JYJ who are still fighting the battle. They and their fans blame JYJ for leaving. But when it comes to wishing for a reunion, most OT5s put that liability on JYJ’s shoulders. If JYJ win or is close to winning the case, the first thing is their minds is most likely not “oh yay, JYJ are free now, congrats!,” but “oh, then what about DB5K? Will JYJ also get Homin out of SME to reunite?” *facepalm* It has to come both ways, geez!”
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When I said Changmin made a “young and angry statement” I meant that Changmin had not grown yet…from the situation and was still angry..and yes, I agree that everyone should.. including Changmin…should take responsibility for what they say..Nonetheless, his statement was really about what he wanted…and if he wants to prove to himself…that staying with SM was the best decision for him….that doesn’t really affect anyone but him…thats his problem…it won’t affect the love people have and will continue to have for JYJ..or the success JYJ will have in the future…A lot of people like to say Changmin..was or is bitter…I think its only natural for people…who go through hard times to feel bitter, sad, or angry….its a normal natural human emotion..I don’t get that “I don’t give a shit anymore,” vibe from him..I think he is still growing as a person…as we all are.
I’m a fan of all five…and I don’t harbor any of those feelings you mentioned…in your post…I wholeheartedly support JYJ’s mission to break ties with SME and win their lawsuit…and I don’t place blame on JYJ….to communicate with the two…if the two groups don’t want to communicate…fans of all five can’t really do anything about that right?
@JYJ_Love
My VE Sister, Lilibaiyu is not making up the statement for her pride, as you say. There was a magazine article posted/linked here on JYJ3 a while back in which Changmin made the statement…”I will prove that I make the correct decision by staying.” I’m not going to try and hunt for it. A number of people who frequent this site can attest to the comment. You are free to go through all the postings from day one and look for it and the discussion that followed.
So, Changmin has no regrets, thinks he did the right thing, and has no problem calling people out of their name. There really is nothing more to say about the dear heart, he’s happy as a clam. Wish him well, he’s going to need it.
@JYJ_Love
” Sorry can you tell me when he say that ? ”
It’s on JYJ3/JYJFiles somewhere. That’s where I read it. You’re more than welcome to do the research to find it yourself. I did all mine in the beginning and found good information here.
Good luck!
@ butterfliesarefree2
ah sorry i think you misunderstood me or i quess my english counfused you, that pride thing is about changmin pride, and those word made me saw and think what changmin do now just like this :
For his pride that made him doesnt want people said/see what he choose is wrong, his pride that make him still stay in SM no matter how much those company just using them no more then just a money maker, his pride made him try to prove if he stay in SM he will be happy, his pride that made him saw what already JYJ fight until this day is the one who’s wrong, yes that way i said in the end this is about “a pride”, and this is make me think this pride is the reason he will never leave SM (maybe untill SM the one who kick him out), sigh why so loyal to this company?
@ lilibaiyu
Ok, thank you, i will search that, it’s just that i can’t believe this boy said something like that, coz to young/to angry lol wtf
@JYJ_Love
Saw your reply and I apologize. I did misunderstand your intent. Thanks for clearing it up.
@JYJ_Love
“ah sorry i think you misunderstood me or i quess my english counfused you, ”
Once again, just to remind you, we really are specifically warned against discussing the remaining 2 members of DBSK here. It’s right there in the rules and guidelines for posting here, found on the tab at the top of the page. I’m also guilty of occasionally bringing up the other two, or responding to a comment someone makes about them, but let’s end this particular discussion here. There are many many other sites where discussing this topic would be welcomed. Just not this one.
Who cares about a reunion now!!! this is about JYJ OT5 want JYJ to win this lawsuit too
forget about anything called a reunion
@ Lilibaiyu
@Daisy
“Changmin probably said that out of anger..( I like to call it a young and angry statement) the situation was still fresh than..I can’t speak for him but…”
You wrote the above quoted post and then went on from there. Respectfully, I chose to stop reading after “I can’t speak for him.”
That works for me.
If you don’t want to read it..thats fine..but I do think that most people grow from their trials and tribulations… you have mentioned..that your life experiences have helped you in your career of 45 plus years..since you are older than Changmin..you should understand that he may be angry now..but as he gets older..he would understand why he went through those things and appreciate it..because they made him stronger..
How old changmin now?
tsk tsk untill when people make an excuses for this guy? people still see him as a 5 years old boy,who can’t take a responsible for what he already said and did, yeah it’s always “oppa didnt mean it”, he still young (really, how young is he?), he’s angry (do you think the other member didnt feel like him), oh god changmin dear plz grow up, people alwys said he is a smart boy among the other members but i dont see that.
you said what you want to said and take a responsible with that.
@JYJ_love
changmin is born in year 1988, so he’s around 24 now.
he’s the maknae, so maybe people will excuse what he’s said he’s the innocent maknae #LOL give me a break.
The funny thing is JYJ were/are barely any older yet no one is making excuses for them based on youth, oh no. Some oppars are all greedy and some others are just young and angry >_>
Na-uh. Doesn’t work that way. Not for me.
@JYJhidupGw
I don’t think they will be singing together soon..but I do think after the lawsuit is settled and after some time..they may communicate again… I think fans (not talking about you..only fans who are irked by the thought of JYJ speaking to TVXQ again) should stay out of their personal relationships and still support them…even if they decide to be friends with TVXQ again…
I also think TVXQ fans who may harbor dislike for JYJ should still support them..even if they decide to be friends with JYJ again….. because in my opinion a real fan would want what has been burdening them for the past three years..to be straightened out…those fans who harbor dislike for the groups…should realize they are adding to the divide and the burden…(not saying Yunho and Max aren’t creating their own divide by not talking to them) however, all the fanwars would make any artist in this situation think maybe some of my fans will stop supporting me if I do this.
JYJ and TVXQ need healing and they do need to talk to straighten out all those open wounds (I don’t understand why..just the thought of them speaking..makes some fans on both sides so mad…when we have nothing to do with it..and we shouldn’t add to the burden).
As JYJ fan since August 2011, honestly I do not wish them to be reunited as 5 and I second JYJ_love that since CM is a celebrity & he was no longer young (20 /21?), I do not think he was abruptly saying that in the public. Don’t use young age as a lame excuse
For me as a fan, I would accept what they would decide in the future, whether to unite or just to be civilized people who casually talk or even gain back their friendship. We all know that those 5 men come a long way and no one could ever say that they should and should not unite, it all depends to them. We can all make assumptions and make our own opinion with their situation right now, but definitely no one can predict what they truly feel to one another. Let’s just stop pointing and blaming either sides because it only creates more fanwars and of course “burden” to TVXQ and JYJ. Let them decide and if each of us are real fans we would come to accept and be happy whatever decision they would come up in the future.
@JYJ_love ∞
“How old changmin now? tsk tsk untill when people make an excuses for this guy? people still see him as a 5 years old boy,who can’t take a responsible for what he already said and did, yeah it’s always “oppa didnt mean it”, he still young (really, how young is he?), he’s angry (do you think the other member didnt feel like him), oh god changmin dear plz grow up, people alwys said he is a smart boy among the other members but i dont see that.you said what you want to said and take a responsible with that.”
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I would never disregard the hurt and pain…that JYJ have been through…or the other two members. My initial response…was to what (Lilibaiyu said “Changmin has said he will spend the rest of his life proving that he made the right decision to stay”)..it wasn’t like I was signaling out Changmin…as who hurt the worst…because they all were hurt by it..When I said Changmin made “a young and angry statement” …My point was Changmin was still young…he hadn’t grown from the situation and he was angry….and did what most young people do…when their angry..which is lash out…because they don’t know how to handle their emotions yet…and their still discovering themselves.
@ Daisy
Oh god you keep saying the same things again and again..
he is young = bcs he hadn’t grown from the situation,
he was angry = so he did what most young people do…when their angry..which is lash out…because they don’t know how to handle their emotions yet…and their still discovering themselves = BECAUSE he is still “YOUNG” so if he made a mistake then this is bcs he is YOUNG.
Oh dear now you make me saw people on the same age with changmin like just another “irresponsible person coz they still not grow up yet” tsk…sorry but the way you defends him make me feel sorry with him, this is just made him looks like an immature people here..
Aside from the comments before mine – ot5 WANTING a reunion has NOTHING to do with “defending SM” so you people need to get that straight because they’re two entirely separate things. The point mychun05 was making was that most OT5 do NOT defend or even support SM. We support HoMin as *people* *human beings* *artists* and *individuals* but NOT the company they’re with – or at least I’ve never personally EVER seen an OT5 fan who supports SM, because the majority of us see SM as the cause of the problems these boys are have had. Whether they want a reunion or not, ot5 fans AKA CASSIES separate the boys as human beings as individuals from the company they’re signed through and the two aren’t mutually inclusive of each other so don’t try using this to back up a completely unrelated topic.
“We support HoMin as *people* *human beings* *artists* and *individuals* but NOT the company they’re with ”
And how do you extend support to Homin as *artists* and *individuals* without directly supporting the company they’re with? Can you please enlighten us? Everything related to Homin as artists are bind with the company, so any amount you spent for them. SM has directly a share from it. Do you deposit cash directly to Homin’s account or send goods directly to their homes to support them as “human beings” ? Whether you like it or not, no matter how you shout to the world that you HATE and despise SM, as long as you support any of it’s artists, YOU ARE SUPPORTING SM, Just accept it, why do we have to keep going around the bush, why can’t you accept the fact that you’re an SM SUPPORTER. You buy their albums and goods, go to their concerts and FMs, and WE have no business to question that because that’s your money you’re spending not ours, but just stop saying you’re wearing white when with our naked eyes we see that you’re wearing red. You support Homin, Homin is in SM, therefore you support SM … that’s a very elementary logic.
@kris
“And how do you extend support to Homin as *artists* and *individuals* without directly supporting the company they’re with? ”
I believe that for some, they have become fixated on a given idol star, for whatever probably unconscious reason. Since there is much serious controversy surrounding this star, the mechanisms of Rationalizing start to kick in, in this case in a big way. If they are intelligent, the rationalisms can be labyrinthine and minutely detailed, however as you said, SM is a low-down mangy dog of an organization and to support them OR any of their artists is to sweeten the pot of money used to persecute JYJ. As I always like to say to these people: keep in mind that SM’s longstanding policy is to cheat their acts of their rightful share of royalties that they may have been legitimately entitled to via their “creative accounting system,” crony network of vendors for all of their costly line items related to recording, video production, promotion, tour support, etc etc etc. ALL of these people get paid and probably provide substantial kick-backs to SM before SM artists ever see dime one. This was one of the members of JYJ’s beefs and why they approached Lee Soo Man in the very beginning. LSM & Co. was making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. DBSK was SM’s top selling act by a mile. Yet twice a year, when artists get their royalties, they were told that after deductions, they were left with a pittance.
babygirldaddy, if YOU were a member of DBSK and you knew perfectly well that you were making the company several million dollars a year, what would you do? Yuchun was about to lose his family home when he went to LSM for a LOAN. LSM said NO. Thus started the whole unraveling, lawsuit, injunctions, et al. Should Yuchun have allowed his mother and brother to be put out on the street? I don’t think so. Let’s hope, on July 19, the high court in Seoul doesn’t think so either.
@lilibaiyu
” LSM & Co. was making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. DBSK was SM’s top selling act by a mile. Yet twice a year, when artists get their royalties, they were told that after deductions, they were left with a pittance.”
Oops, a typo which I thought I fixed but maybe not. SM made several millions of dollars a year from DBSK, not hundreds of millions. LSM himself is now worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In anticipation perhaps of the outcome of this lawsuit, he resigned from being president of his company several years ago in favor of merely being chairman of the board. This way, no court can ever touch his wealth personally with any sort of a judgement. Now he merely pulls the strings of SM behind the scenes. Is this a person or a corporation anybody would choose to support, however obliquely? Of course, it’s YOUR call.
A group who make up malicious stories of JYJ and spread their vile hate as truth.
Wow…that sounds like HoMin stans to me -_-
@eljay
My memory is fuzzy on this. The name is a combination of Ho for Homin and Tel for the name of a fan cafe frequented by Homin/SM supporters. They have been caught lying on several occasions and were actually reprimanded by the court at one time and forced to apologize. Not a good bet for reliable information if you ask me.
A slight update/postscript to my post about HoTels. For some reason I can’t seem to keep these facts straight in my head. Anyway, I really did remember hearing that the Ho referred to Homin but Miaw’s post below I think is probably more reliable than my swiss cheese memory. lol The Tel refers to the Telzone dvxq gallery. Is this a fansite, Miaw or an actual place?
@lilibaiyu
Agreed, not a bet I’d take! Didn’t the JYJ frying pans start in response to something they said? My brain is a bit fuzzy on this at the moment. Actually it was fried this week.
@Amy
“As JYJ fan since August 2011, honestly I do not wish them to be reunited as 5 and I second JYJ_love that since CM is a celebrity & he was no longer young (20 /21?), I do not think he was abruptly saying that in the public. Don’t use young age as a lame excuse”
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As I said before in another post, I don’t think TVXQ/JYJ will be singing together soon…and only after the lawsuit is settled…and after a while…they may communicate again…I think fans (not talking about you…but fans who feel disdain for either JYJ or TVXQ or are troubled by the thought of them communicating again) should stay out of their personal relationships…and still support them even if they do decide to communicate and work things out…because in my opinion a fan should want..what has troubled them for the past three years to be finally worked out..
Nonetheless, if it can’t be (friendship wise) worked out… at least they got…what was bugging them off their chest…and it could bring some closure. I think fans ( who harbor dislike for the groups)….need to realize they are adding to the divide and the burden…(not saying Yunho and Max are not at fault for not communicating either). However, I think any artist would feel like..in this situation…especially how Kpop fans react to things…that maybe some of their fans….(who don’t have positive feelings towards either groups communicating) will stop supporting them…if they decide to communicate.
When I said that Changmin made “a young and angry statement”..I wasn’t using his age at the time..as a excuse….My point was..Changmin hadn’t grown yet from the situation… and he was still figuring it out and learning from it…as a young person…(a lot of emotions there) ….that he needed to figure out…Changmin, along with his members were still and continue to be discovering… who they are as young men in their 20′s…Haven’t you ever told someone you love…for example that you hate them…when deep down you really love them? The interviews Changmin has had lately…to my recollection has not stated anything like those comments he has said before..he says now his motivation to work hard is for his future wife and family.
@JYJ_love
” Oh god you keep saying the same things again and again..
he is young = bcs he hadn’t grown from the situation,
he was angry = so he did what most young people do…when their angry..which is lash out…because they don’t know how to handle their emotions yet…and their still discovering themselves = BECAUSE he is still “YOUNG” so if he made a mistake then this is bcs he is YOUNG. Oh dear now you make me saw people on the same age with changmin like just another “irresponsible person coz they still not grow up yet” tsk…sorry but the way you defends him make me feel sorry with him, this is just made him looks like an immature people here..”
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If being young, making mistakes, encountering obstacles and learning from them doesn’t resonate with you…then I don’t know what else to say to you..because unless your a super human being…who doesn’t fail, make mistakes, say things you really don’t mean because your mad…than you need to spread your genes because the world needs perfect human beings…
I hope someone older here..could reinterate what I was trying to say about just growing up and learning from your hardships and mistakes..in a way that doesn’t use Changmin as an example..but another experience…I could use my own personal life experience as a example..but I think it would be better if it came from a more JYJ3… respected member….because I think my point was missed…it could be a language or cultural barrier..or maybe I’m not explaining myself well enough…
Meaning of Hotel girls ( http://jyj3.net/2011/01/29/info-hotel-girls-attack-dc-tvxq-gallery/ )
Hotel girls: “Ho”-comes from DC gallery Head to the Ground. This gallery was made when Yoonho’s drama Head To The Ground started. Die-hard Yoonho fans flocked to this gallery, when still all other major fansites were trying to keep all-5-mode.
This yoonho fans were very direct to support only YH and condemn JYJ, making/spreading rumors even when the gall was open to everyone. In TVXQ fandom history, there was no site that this openly condemn other members, even though there were some individual die-hard fans. So the HTTG gall started to be called “ex-communication gall (호적파인갤)” by dc tvxq gallery, for which Korean word starts with “ho”.
“Tel” comes from telzone dvxq gallery, where dc HTTG gall tries hard to overtake and eventually did so. So Ho+tel, hotel girls. These people have been so focused on attacking JYJ in public sites (non-fan sites) for 2010.
Ahhh thank you for the explanation…that just sounds horrible! -_-
they can either chose to head straight to the ground or to hell.
i couldnt care less for them, or their idol. jyj dont need them, we dont need them.
Wow, I get you like JYJ. I like them too. But I don’t see liking some random pop group and disliking another pop group as a reason to be condemned to hell. I mean, there are a lot worse things in the world a teenage girl can do than gossip and spread rumors about attractive Koreans who sing and dance. Eventually they’ll all grow up, grow a brain, and dedicate less of their time bashing people on the internet and more of their time doing something a little more constructive and k-pop fan wars will be a distant memory to all of us.
@ExpiredxMilk
Really, who needs your lecture? Right, liking some random pop group and disliking another aren’t the reasons to be condemned to hell. But do those HoTel girls merely dislike JYJ? No, they’ve done more than that. Those are not just petty fanwars like “I like this, your group isn’t as good as mine,” bla bla bla. If as young girls, they can collectively make up and spread rumors to defame and slander some people, as well as have too much vicious conspiracies, then what else can they do when they get older? And they’ve done all that just because they dislike a pop group. Your defending them is just like those who defend sasaengs, still the same reasoning “oh, they’re just teenage girls, they will grow up and grow a brain. So what they’ve done are not worth being condemned.” Are you kidding me?
@ExpiredxMilk jesus. did i condemned them to hell? no, i was just playing with httg words. i say this again, i couldnt care less about whereever they go.
lay off me. i can dislike anyone i want as they dislike jyj. at least i didnt do the things that they do, or say the things that they say. which, is much worse than what i said.
@ExpiredxMilk
You took @2017questa right away and didn’t actually get what she was referring at.
@2017questa was referring “they can either chose to head straight to the ground or to hell.” to those Hotel girls, for being bitches. See….. I also curse them for their actions, for keeping JYJ as their targets, the centre of their hatred while defending their biases.
I do not know you both, but I would like to inform you that JYJers do not attack anyone. We simply return any ill treatments launched to us. Those girls might someday grow brains, as you said, but letting them with their evil deeds is surely a terrible decision. And no fans should stay quiet and let injustices grow wildly.
Cheers.
@ExpiredMilk
“Eventually they’ll all grow up, grow a brain, and dedicate less of their time bashing people on the internet and more of their time doing something a little more constructive”
Trust me, don’t hold your breath on that one. Maybe if their parents married them off now…. one can only hope that a family and husband will keep them too busy, but….
NOT MOST, ALL OF THE OT5S WANT SM CRUSHED I HATE SM SO DOES EVERY OT5 I KNOW
THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING TO SAY ABOUT OT5 WHO WANT JUSTICE FOR JYJ AS MUCH AS JYJ FANS DO >/<
@mychun05:
“i’m an OT5 fan…but i still really f***ing hate SME for what they did and would NEVER defend them”
Though they may hate SM, many OT5s do tend to defend TVXQ2′s initial choice to stay with SM, as well as their decision to continue with SM even after everything SM has put JYJ through. And supporting TVXQ2 entails supporting SM (monetarily, etc), whether you want to or not.
I understand that in your wish to support TVXQ2 alongside JYJ, supporting SM is inevitable, and that’s not really your fault. I’m not trying to accuse you or other OT5s of anything. I’m simply trying to be fair to both OT5s and JYJ fans, and explain where the author’s comment may have stemmed from.
(I am not, however, affiliated with the author in any way, so I cannot say for sure where the comments stemmed from. But this is how it is, as I perceive it.)
@jyj.jyj.jyj.
It’s true that many of us here will not support any SM act in any way. It is a terrible company that has wrought terrible hardship on JYJ. So we do not spend one thin dime on any SM product for any reason. Homin knew what they were doing and they made their choice.
Certainly they must understand the enmity that their employer has aroused in the fans of JYJ at this late date.
Despite disagreeing with the view that supporting HoMin = supporting SM as a company (there is a difference in monetary value of albums etc. that HoMin themselves DO receive some payment from, and in justifying or approving of the company’s decisions and/or business ways. ), I actually respect you for one single thing in your comment…
“(I am not, however, affiliated with the author in any way, so I cannot say for sure where the comments stemmed from. But this is how it is, as I perceive it.)”
… you had enough sense to specify your opinion, specify it AS your opinion, and then further clarify that the author of the article is not necessarily representative of your opinion or affiliated with you. THIS is what JYJ3 has failed to do, and has thusly offended a LOT of their readers who supported them previously but are now questioning whether that support was ill-placed, as am I.
Also – many of us never defended HoMin’s choice to stay with SM in the way to mean “we approve of them staying” – only in the way of “it is their choice to make and we have no other option but to respect that they have that right, and still love them as the individuals they are – even if we don’t always agree with them – or to dismiss them easily as so many others have done.” I’m sorry to say this this way because it’s going to sound bad… but part of growing up and discovering love and affection is learning to love a person despite their faults. Arguing and disagreeing – and knowing that one or several disagreements doesn’t mean you have to part ways. Appreciating a person for who they are, and not what they can do for you. I don’t mean offense… but a lot of fans are very young – most certainly many of the ones perpetuating all of these fanwars are – and just have not hit that point yet and can’t understand why many of those of us who’ve been there since they were 5 members (and thusly are indeed older) can make peace with HoMin’s decision and confuse -accepting that it’s their decision to make- with -supporting it-. There is a VAST difference between the two.
Also, if you really want to get technical about who and what contributes to SM’s bank accounts – SM owns stock in other areas than just their own company I’m sure, as well as branch-off companies and mergers. Including Avex – who produced Junsu’s first solo Intoxication – as well as many of JYJ’s first DVDs and album. Do you own them…?
Do you use Google? Well – Google hosted a kpop concert that HOMIN and other SM artists attended. SM joined a contract with Google to host this concert so by your own logic – simply using ANY GOOGLE PRODUCTS is supporting Google – a company who has supported SM in monetary value. Did you know that many WordPress.com apps are also owned and created by Google, too? And that the original article from this is hosted on a WordPress blog?
Do you use Youtube? SM is partnered with them, you know. So is CJeS. To have an official channel with the banners they use, you have to be partnered with Youtube to get those banners. Partnership includes being able to make money from views/ads – so by using Youtube – even watching CJeS’ channel – you are supporting a company who also adds to SM’s bank accounts. Coincidentally – you’re actually doing it twice because Youtube is also owned by Google.
If you want to absolutely 100% stay unaffiliated with SM in every way possible… you’re pretty much going to have to hide under a rock and just stay there. It’s impossible in today’s world because businesses do what is best for business – and the popularity of SM artists is simply good for business, despite how awful the company and it’s decisions can be they are still one of the 3 biggest companies in the industry in Korea and branch out virtually everywhere. Because of this, other companies merge with and form contracts with them because it generates money for them.
@babygirladdy
I get the fact that you feel the need to justify people who support HoMin and don’t castisgate SM.
But in case it has escaped your notice, the title of this site is JYJ3. The fact that the admins do not to your satisfaction, put the disclaimers up that you require, does not change the fact that this is their site. They get to call the rules, no one else. Despite the posting of news information, this is an opinion blog.
They state it clearly in the IkaDong Cafe declaration that is posted on the opening of the site. There simply is no room for misunderstanding. That is their disclaimer. If people jump over it and don’t read it, that is not the fault of the admin(s). I actually read it over several times because I like to use it as inspiration.
Regardless of what affiliations SME has or does not have in the business world, this does not negate the fact that company is a sewer hole. Always has been, always will be. Associations are just that, associations. The Unites States fought a war in Viet Nam for almost 20 years. The major North Vietnamese backer was China. Now China and the U.S. are so close in bed with each other it defies description. They kissed and made up…sorta. So, what’s your point?
I can describe a story of a black man and a leader of a Klu Klux Klan group developing a friendship strong enough for that KKK member to ask the Black guy to be a godfather to one of his children. Stranger things in life happen all the time.
The fact that JYJ fans on this site choose to not speak kindly about SME, and by inference those who are on their roster, is part of what happens when one chooses sides. For the most part most people don’t bother talking about those on the roster, except when in context to the discussion.
Look we all breathe the same air. It flows from one side of the world to the other every day. Am I going to stop breathing it because LSM does as well. No. Doesn’t mean, I’m going to stop disliking the snake any less, nor making comments about him and that nest of vipers called SME either.
As for HoMin, yes they have made their bed and will have to lie in it. They made their choice. But as we all know choices have consequences. So, whatever consequences come their way, they will have to live with. I don’t wish bad for them, but they are where they are, the smell from that place is not pretty.
I’m just going to continue thanking Lady Karma everyday for all the good things she bestows upon JYJ. You know, that law of attraction…What you put out you get back. Also when your intentions are good and honorable, you are rewarded for this as well.
And when the day comes Lady Karma decides to give LSM/SME what they truly deserve for what they have done to JYJ, and put them through…I am going to give Lady Karma the deepest bow I can give her.
PEACE
Ok, Typos ‘R US…. I know, I know.
Proof reading class, NEXT!
“If you want to absolutely 100% stay unaffiliated with SM in every way possible… you’re pretty much going to have to hide under a rock and just stay there”.
Maybe you’re right.
Should we declare a total embargo of goods from South Korea to make you feel less guilty in supporting an evil company?
OMO!! Maybe tonight, while I’m eating Italian pasta and drinking a glass of Italian wine having my dinner, I’m supporting SME too…
I can’t know all connections in their dirty business.
What I can simply do is not buy anything produced directly from them or their “artists”.
Only in this way I am sure I’m damaging SME (and only SME), however minimally, and consequently feel happy in all conscience.
But it could work only for me.
Peace (and, a usual, sorry for my bad English skills (^_^)!
@Ellis
“What I can simply do is not buy anything produced directly from them or their “artists”. Only in this way I am sure I’m damaging SME (and only SME), however minimally, and consequently feel happy in all conscience. But it could work only for me.”
Actually, it’s been working just fine for me too, Ellis. And I think I can speak for my sis butterfliesarefree, it’s working nicely for her too.
Supporting SM “artists” IS supporting SM and their policies and anyone who doesn’t get that connection simply doesn’t want to have to give up what they want.
@babygirldaddy
“If you want to absolutely 100% stay unaffiliated with SM in every way possible… you’re pretty much going to have to hide under a rock and just stay there. It’s impossible in today’s world because businesses do what is best for business – and the popularity of SM artists is simply good for business, despite how awful the company and it’s decisions can be they are still one of the 3 biggest companies in the industry in Korea and branch out virtually everywhere.”
An interestingly stated comment although I can’t say I agree with much of it. First, I don’t think there’s much to be gained by worrying about what unnamed ex-posters of JYJ3 do or do not think of the comments made here. We’re a fluid, constantly changing conversational site, there’s lots of opinions floating around, sometimes there’s back and forth sometimes not, we aim for lively discussion and in depth opinion – like yours, in fact. Isn’t it rather refreshing to come to a site where you can state an opinion like yours and not get one line answers back of “YOU SUCK!!!” I’ve certainly found it so.
Anyway as to your lengthy exposition on SM’s many tentacles in the international business world, here’s my take on it, as it applies to boycotting SM and their products and policies: indeed they may have many investments in Google, Youtube and the like but they are just that–investments–unless I am very much mistaken they did not move in on these corporations and start calling the shots and dictating their brand of rancid policy to them. I choose to boycott SM Entertainment, S. Korea. This for me sends a message “I do not approve of your business tactics and I deplore the illegal and unfair things you are doing to JYJ.” This is just one of the ways that I have communicated my feelings to them about what they are doing . I am realistic enough to know that every single one of their revenue streams cannot be affected, but my choice is to make the statement specifically regarding the Entertainment company, its acts and all of its nominal activities.
I would say more about your remarks regarding the love and respect you have for the remaining members of DBSK but this is a JYJ site and we really try not to go there, as hard as it sometimes is. If you wish we can continue this discussion off-list. You may email me at lilibaiyu@aol.com
Cheers!
@babygirldaddy
You have to admit there is a huge difference between watching C-JeS/JYJ videos on Youtube and buying an SM artist’s album or other merchandise. But I guess on this point we shall just agree to disagree
Are you for real? After reading all this, that sentence is more of your concern compared to the more important problem at hand? If you aren’t one of the OT5s who defend SM, why get your panties in a knot? You don’t know all of them nor all that they say, how can you defend them all? I myself saw tweets like “I don’t care who wins or loses, I just want my DB5K back together”, “if JYJ lose, they can go back to SME and reunite with Homin”, and such coming from more than one OT5. What should I call them when they call themselves OT5? I regret not screen-capping those tweets to show you now. It’s funny to see how OT5s deliberately bash JYJ fans everywhere, but are so fast to turn to defensive mode when they’re called out.
That was my reaction, too, when I read the first comment. I had to double check my eyes…..I was like, really? This is what catches your attention? This is what makes you most pissed off, out of this whole post?
I am OT5 myself, and I could care less how the author categorized OT5s as SM defenders. I am used to folks generalizing about groups without being able to recognize within group differences (and trust me, I’ve seen everyone do it, myself included at times). Don’t get me wrong. It’s not like I like it, but my FURY, RAGE towards what SM JUST PULLED freaking trumped everything else.
Korean court you’d better reject SM’s requestt.
These young girls are exactly like those who declare their love for JYJ but dishes/dislike/hate (your choise) others then their bias. Remember what happened not so long time ago? How can u proclame yourself a fan of JYJ if you hate Chunface or JJ or Junsu? o.O Let’s put away the comments like that or like the one u saw on Twitter. I saw those too and I tell u I was what the f***k is she saying?o.O. There will always be this kind of “fans”. Confused, very young ones, those u can’t have a conversation with coz they simply don’t wanna think things through. They only know what they want and they want it know.
I am in a group over 6000 DBSK5 and this group is very active. Didn’t see a single comment bout bashing JYJ. NEVER! We LOVE JYJ and HATE SME/LSM.
It hurst to read “It’s funny to see how OT5s deliberately bash JYJ fans everywhere, but are so fast to turn to defensive mode when they’re called out.”. Every forest has its brushwood. Meaning JYJ fans, HoMin fans (a lot of, majoity, ur choise), DBSK5 ave their “crazy” fans.
There is a difference in someone CALLING themselves OT5 and someone who is TRULY OT5 and supports them ALL as individuals regardless of what grouping they’re in. Someone saying things like that is NOT representative of the fandom of the whole – almost every TRUE OT5 fan would agree with me here. Of course we want them back together but that doesn’t mean we don’t support them NOW and it CERTAINLY doesn’t mean that we want them back with SME – the majority of OT5 fans and TRUE Cassies do NOT want them back with SME – we want them as far away from that god awful company as possible and I say this as an owner of a OT5 group myself, an admin of another, and a member of a 3rd that collectively, have 15,000+ members. If you want to be blindly naive and hold the words of a bare fraction of a percentage against the whole then that’s your choice – but it certainly doesn’t make you any better than they are and it SURE as hell doesn’t make you right.
MANY OT5 fans come here for information and legitimate news and MANY of us hold this site in value because of it’s credibility and suddenly, we’re having our support for it thrown back in our faces by people who want to spread lies about us based on barely a few people’s words at a time when this fandom SHOULD be supporting each other AND our boys. JYJ doesn’t want their fans acting like this any more than we OT5′s do and they’ve even said this themselves so even if you don’t take mine or other OT5′s words to heart… do JYJ’s own words mean so little to you that you would dismiss them so easily and perpetuate a misrepresentation of a part of this fandom like this?
Now Ms. Almighty, do I have to waste my time to go in depth with you about who is a true OT5/how a true OT5 acts/what construes a true OT5? Nope, I’m not interested. It looks like you love to brag about your group of 15,000+ members, but sorry to break it to you, that number is still too small compared to the numbers of Cassies out there, and what makes you think your group can represent the entire fandom? There are stupid, immature, whatever you want to call them, OT5s who don’t care if JYJ lose or win as long as they can have their DB5K back in the end, or who think the best solution is for JYJ to go back to SME to reunite with Homin, even who think JYJ shouldn’t have left in the first place. They’re wrong, yet they’re still Cassies. Every fandom has crazy fans, so in a way, that statement above isn’t entirely incorrect. If you want to blame, blame it as OT5 is such a large scope. But you yourself, don’t be blindly naive and think your fandom is perfect, flaw free with every single person sharing the same thought, and ultimately can’t accept it if someone says something about OT5s. Stop living in your ideal world. The once biggest strongest Cassiopeia fanclub is very torn and fractured now, so get off your high horses. When you guys bash JYJ fans, you bash “those stans,” do you segregate who from who within my fandom?
I’m glad to know that JYJ3 has become a trusted source for MANY OT5 fans and MANY of you hold this site in value. Huhm, so JYJ3 is no longer a taboo place for OT5s? I’ll take note of your words in case the next time I see any bashing of JYJ3 coming from OT5s. Didn’t I say in my comment that “If you’re not one of the OT5s who defend SME, why get your panties in a knot?” It’s the OP’s right to write what she wants, she doesn’t cater the information to OT5 fans. No one here is blaming your entire fandom, but don’t deny that there’re worms in the apple either. I simply pointed out to you guys who keep shouting “no, OT5s are definitely not like that” that you don’t know everyone in your fandom and what they do or say. If the first comment wasn’t a complaint from an OT5, I doubt people here would even pay attention to that line. After all, we have a bigger concern to talk about. Unless you’re an anti, hater, or troll, we’re not interested in attacking you. And please do not drag JYJ into arguments among fans. JYJ don’t want fans to fight, but since when has that ever stopped fans from either sides from bitching at each other? Simply because we don’t share the same point of view. What is important is that we all support them in the end in our own ways within our own fandom. I’d appreciate if you stop preaching and being rude to the admins by telling them how to run their site. Mind you, this is still a place officially for JYJ fans only, we welcome you here but that doesn’t mean you can make demands at someone else’s house. I also do not wish to prolong this “discussion” with you because your comments have started to annoy me. We should stop while we still can be civilized around each other. Deal?
@mychun : here we talk about court .. so many ot5 easily say oohh .. if this case closed they will reunite as soon as possible like nothing happen .. without read the news before .. or maybe they never read the news bout this or they refuse to know and just always faith in how strong they were and ignore what already happened in this 3 years ..
I agree. who the hell would defend SME.. not OT5 if I may say.. but I don’t think that line should be there “OT5s” this is not about the fans, it’s not about us OT5s or Stans it’s not about the fans who are against w/ each other. it’s solely about JYJ VS. SME.. and no matter who supports them OT5s or Stans the point is that we all want JYJ to win this goddamn lawsuit w/c is taking forever!
@6002theXiahtic ♥ 윤재민 (@cassielf_JYJ)
I really really hope that all of the OT5s who feel the way you do will take the initiative to send messages to SM via their various websites saying just what you said. “Put an END this lawsuit NOW. You’re making yourself look bad.”
Can you tell me what the fuckery is a “stan”? That word irritates me deeply, especially when OT5s like you keep calling JYJ fans as such and bitching about stan this or stan that all the time. You guys are fans, but we’re stans? Don’t make me laugh coz it isn’t funny. Oh, you know this is about JYJ vs. SME, so why would an OT5 bring up the OT5-ness first thing after reading this article? There would be no such lengthy discussion as above if someone stopped being petty and picked on dust, and tried to focus on the real big problem. If the OP wanted to put it that way, then it’s up to her. Did OT5s even thank her for informing everyone about the lawsuit before complaining? For the last time, you don’t know all the OT5s out there, how can you defend them all? If you’re an OT5 and don’t defend SME, cool, good for you, but don’t try to represent your entire fandom.
I don’t know for sure it’s true or not, but i had read it in @llkpop forum that stan=stupid fan
maybe there’s other meaning than this one?
@wombat
“I don’t know for sure it’s true or not, but i had read it in @llkpop forum that stan=stupid fan”
I’ve understood it to mean “stalker + fan.” And I’m insulted too. I have occasionally been told that I am a JYJ fanatic (I forget the exact word they’ve used for it, but that’s the upshot.) But that’s not true either. I merely want JUSTICE for JYJ, I want them unencumbered by SM and I want them free to pursue their several artistic destinies. That’s all. Is that so bad?? I don’t think so.
The conclusion is SM KNOWS THAT THEY WILL LOSE … Grrr .. Gag ngerti gue soman takut bgtt sama JYJ ..
jelas si soman takut, kalo JYJ menang, HoMin gak akan ada apa2nya ntar.
music quality, singing ability, creativity, acting skill, even each personel popularity, JYJ lebih unggul semuanya dibanding HoMin yaaang… gak usah gw jelasin lah
intinya, pundi2 duitnya bakal abis ntar kalo JYJ menang.
kalo JYJ menang, itu juga berarti homin dan artis SM lainnya juga harus kerja rodi lebih keras lg daripada sebelumnya selain itu aku rasa entertainment di korea juga akan mulai banyak perubahan secara sampai sekarang apapun yang dilakukan oleh JYJ selalu jadi trend khan ?
yup, harus kerja rodi lebih keras lagi dan pastinya SM bakal membabi buta menguras artis2nya. kasian baget.
@ miaw : setuju .. mungkin yg dimaksud JYJ membawa pengaruh buruk yaa itu ,, mereka brani berontak dan speak up dan mereka survive dan sukses … mungkin management yg ada takut kalo artis mereka yg talented pada kluar dan jalan sendiri dan tetep sukses
bentar .. bntar ,, emang homin ada apa?? apa yg bisa dibanggain?? (serius nanya bukan maksud buat bad mouthing) .. dan semua yg di kandang soman deeh .. busett yee ,, soman artisnya udah sebnyak itu tapi nglepasin JYJ buat bisa normal kayak grup2 laen adja susahnyaa …..
wahahahahaha pingin ketawa saya kok pada pake bahasa indo
ayo wong jowo ikut-ikutan pake bahasa jowo ahhhh
asem tenean owk si soman opo wong SM sih sing serakah.serakahe ogak ketulungan kabeh.opo meneh si HOTELS GIRL walah nduk2 urip kuwi rekasa sampeyan kok malah ngejak ngadu domba,meh ngelek2i wong sisan.njajal aku sing ngeleki sampeyan,ngedoain nak sampeyan kuwi wong elek,kemaki,bisane mung ngomong aja sengit gak nak diomongoni ngono? (walah2 mikir urip wae wes rekoso apa meneh mikir2 ngeleki wong).WOY HOTEL GIRL SADAR HIDUP ITU SANGAT SINGKAT sadar mbak jangan nyebar gosip yang aneh-aneh.(aku lupa kalo hotel girl gak mudeng bahasa jawa dan indonesia =.=)
Kekekkeke… Java language here…?
Apa pun kata fans.. i still pray.. JYJ will win this case
#prayhard
you know my laguange *gasp* ehehehe just kidding
XD
krena dari dlu ampe skrng yg megang best vocal ability among idol itu kim junsu, ….. yuchun jao akting, JJ fans nya bnyak… mmaen film aaja pasti ada sumbangan d mana2…. SM gak mau lepasin JYJ karena denger2 pas DBSK debut modalnya gak kecil yg di keluarin si SOo may…..
dan aku rasa blm ada yg bsa ngalahin rekornya junsu d drama musical…. bnyak bnget dpet penghargaan…..
!@^&**&%!*#$@! Didn’t expect anything less coming from that slimy, lowlife company. I hope the courts throw this arbitration request out and be done with this malicious company. JYJ deserves that this farce to come to an end once and for all. I hope the courts “throw the book at them” (SM) and then some…I’m really bloodthirsty right now and I want it satisfied!!
@eljay
I’m pissed off but not surprised. With the countdown days getting shorter and shorter, there will be no end to the nonsense. I’ll bet a dime to a dollar Sejong was prepared for something like this. The whole damn thing smacks of desperation. If it wasn’t so irritating, it would be comical.
But I honestly believe the Universe is going to make it right, and provide the expected outcome.
@butterfliesarefree2
Lady Karma will have her day.
On a side note, where’s and edit button when you need one. Just looking at my post makes me cringe ;-0 That’s what I get for hurrying on my way out the door.
Thanks, I’m in! I won’t feel so all alone now in my typos.
@BAFfie
” I’m sure the other members will welcome you with open arms!”
I know ~I~ will!
@lilibaiyu
Sweet!
Thought I’d mention that I received an email confirmation that my copy of Protect The Boss will ship to me within 2 days…even less now that it’s evening!
Here’s my take:
1) When the court stopped taking testimony and documents, in April 2011, I believe, it stated then, the proceedings were to go into court oversight mediation.
2) This arbitration process has been going on for a year, minimum.
3) The lawsuit SM vs. JYJ was decided, May 15, 2012 – no decision announced. I would expect Sejong to argue strenously against any further delay since this lawsuit has been decided. Asking for more of the same is a bit like overkill. I’m guessing the court has had its fill of this case as well. If SME wants to drag it out longer, go the appeal route. But I think they know this is going to be a failure as well.
4) Asking for continued artibration at this point is a stop gap measure. Again, this smacks of desperation. Desperation does not smell nice under any conditions.
5) I could be wrong, but the court granting any more delays is probably not going to happen. Three years is long enough for a civil case.
@BAF
I agree that the year- long arbitration process is more than sufficient. Glad that JYJ stood their ground rather than giving in too much just so to expedite the case. That fact that JYJ never filed for arbitration or change of hearing dates indicate to me that their team has confidence in the case and is willing to go the distance. The fact that a rich company like SM filed for arbitration 4 times in 2011 indicate that they are playing dirty trying to drag out the lawsuit and has been privately nervous that a public trial with full disclosure of issues involved could damage their business. I think their reputation has certainly taken quite a hit since 2009.
Therefore, I believe that this latest attempt is not only a desperate effort to stall the lawsuit, but to also prevent the verdict and its details from full public disclosure. I bet SM would rather reach a settlement via arbitration so that the details of the outcome are kept confidential and they also get to make face-saving statements. I just hope that JYJ will not let them off the hook at the eleventh hour.
Indeed, a three-year long civil case is long enough. Like most court systems, the backlog of court cases at the Seoul District Court must be a least a mile long. Furthermore, why would the court grant another try at arbitration when the 4 previous attempts have failed? It does not make sense to me at all. But then again, I am also bracing myself for another hit in the gut. When it comes to this lawsuit, you just never know. As for the expected appeal route, I too hope that the court will throw it out. Although the JYJ-SM lawsuit is highly publicized, similar lawsuits have been filed before by other entertainers. What could possibly be so different in this lawsuit that would merit another look by the Higher Courts?
@SFLily
I don’t think this case is a straightout arbitration suit. The arbitration process was included when the two sides could not originally agree on a settlement. Therefore, once the decision is made final, it will become a matter of public record, just like all the other portions of this lawsuit. What is not escaping anyone’s attention is that SME is simply gaming the system trying to avoid the inevitable.
I find it interesting that a company that has managed to prosper as SME has, just does not get it. You can go to the well one too many times. Eventually, that well comes up dry. Happens all the time, no one is immune. They have moxy, but not a lot of smarts. Delaying things is only going to make it worse for them. The PR nightmare will be very difficult to shake.
I believe the difference in this case is the fact that SME has never had anyone see ‘inside’ their company and how it works. This case has pushed back the curtains and opened up the windows to shed light and fresh air on a very dismal environment. The actual details of the original contract were made public, showing how blood thirsty SME is. Beforehand, it’s all been glitz and glamor, not the cold hard realities. This cannot be a very easy pill for SME to swallow. Hence, the extreme efforts to kill JYJ’s career. They have been trying like crazy to pay JYJ back, by any means necessary.
I don’t doubt for a minute they won’t try and appeal. But people should keep in mind, appeals only go forward if there is a rule of law that looks as if it was not addressed properly in the decision. Or at least has some questions to it. There has to be a flaw in the decision somewhere that SME’s attorney’s can grab hold to. More than likely they will show the decision to lawyers who specialize in appeals cases. The law firm they use should have attorneys that so exactly that. Different levels of a court system require attorney’s who specialize at those levels. There are differences. At least that’s how it works here in the States.
It’s going to be like reaching for straws. A total waste of time and effort, only to still lose in the end. They are so hoping JYJ will get tired or broke and give up. What they keep forgetting is this fandom is not going to let that happen. So, SME still is going to lose no matter what.
@butterfliesarefree2
Thumbs up for your insightful comment
I’m going to be absolutely murderous with rage if the arbitration is granted. Don’t the courts know or care that their time is being wasted? And tax-payers’ money?? Arghhhhh Seriously. When are we going to see SM get its just desserts?
I don’t believe we will ever see SM get its just deserts. Even if the judgment is against them, they will just appeal, they would stall any judgment (payment towards JYJ). They have the funds and backing from “co-conspirators” to keep giving our boys hell by both dragging out the matter and blocking our boys, using defamation tactics and just living each day to torture JYJ.
But our boys will always have us here to love, support and pray for them.
I was expecting that too. But if the major first win is for JYJ, the appeals will prolly be no different in answer.
I hate how SMs tactic also is to make JYJ suffer by losing money in this ordeal…..but even if this is the case, JYJ is making BANK without SMs either way.
Sorry I’m totally bitter at SM at this point. Nothing against the groups, but really, now I can see the ugliness in their management company. Sickens me blehh
Seriously, if even us international fans see the dirty ulterior motives of SM from OUTSIDE the country, the court better darn well not grant another arbitration when the other FOUR times already failed to reach an agreement. Just cause SM has the money and power to instill fear in broadcast companies, doesn’t mean they better try and do that in South Koreas judicial system. Please, don’t let me down.
Also, it just shows me how JYJ has been clear from the start of this lawsuit. They had no discrepancies in stories, no change in views at all, and were respectful and compliant to all the courts orders. Geez. Give JYJ a break and let them finally be rid of SMs money hungry putrid hands.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. This is just so frustrating. I hate SME’s strategy but one can see that it works. This case is still in the 1st circuit. If JYJ wins (and we all know that they will) and they don’t accept the arbitration then SME will appeal the decision onto the 2nd court and start the whole process all over again. If JYJ agrees with SME’s arbitration then they will have to do a settlement which will take SME off the hook even though this is all their own doing. I can imagine the antis too, who will spread bullshit and argue that JYJ accepted the arbitration because it is their fault and not SME’s when clearly SME just wants to wear JYJ down so that out of desperation they will accept arbitration.
The only REAL miracle won’t be if the judge doesn’t grant SME the arbitration but rather that once SME loses they won’t appeal the decision at a higher court.
@retrokim
“The only REAL miracle won’t be if the judge doesn’t grant SME the arbitration but rather that once SME loses they won’t appeal the decision at a higher court.”
Here’s what I think: yes, SM will certainly appeal a losing decision but you need GROUNDS for an appeal. The court has to agree that you have reasonable grounds for an appeal and the scope of the second trial would be necessarily lessened to that one area. So if the appeal is even granted, it will be a swifter process. Keep in mind that SM has already been in mandatory arbitration since last January or so. (I think. My sister BAFfie has the exact date.) The court has already made note of how SM has behaved during that court mandated arbitration process with their constant delaying tactics. So I think sooner rather than later SM is going to have to actually get serious and face up to the fact that they owe JYJ a LOT of money.
Plus there is also the whole TV banning that the court said SM should not do but SM did use backdoor pressure making JYJ blacklisted. Dude, there is such a long list – the court must have some sense by now.
I hope this case will be over and done with. I am confident that JYJ will prevail.
Hey, Guys. OT5s hate SM too because we love the boys – It’s not about companies, it’s about the boys. We want JYJ to be happy whether they are with the other 2 or NOT. We hate SM. Please, don’t misunderstand OT5s. Just because we love all, does not mean we love SM. Thanks, JYJ fighting!
I really hope the date stays fixed and JYJ wins.
You can’t tell me that’s true for all OT5s. I would even hesitate to say the majority since I have seen many many tweets/comments/posts from OT5s that want them to reunite no matter the method or support SMe/Homin’s decisions and want JYJ to come back to that company.
Hmm, really? I don’t know about twitter, but on tumblr there are really nice OT5s – I can only remember one incident on a post saying the ending trial date – a couple of fans said the silly wanting them to lose but then there was another post of how angry a person was at those comments and that was reblogged.
@AiWo
“Hey, Guys. OT5s hate SM too because we love the boys – It’s not about companies, it’s about the boys. We want JYJ to be happy whether they are with the other 2 or NOT. ”
This makes me really really happy to be reading this from so many OT5s today. I know there will be an end to the unhappiness that has existed between OT5s and onlyJYJ people and this looks to be a major step forward in that regard. Let’s keep it going. Let’s support the three in their quest for freedom and as your tastes dictate the other two if you want to. Let’s make ALL the members happy in this way. This is a great idea.
Thanks, dear.
*hug* Let’s make that happen ^^
I really do believe that this can be settled on the 19th of July. I heard in the last lawsuits SM hasn’t won right? And the case has been extended so much, the court must either be full of fools or something to allow it to extend further.
Thx for da info..I hate sm..
So if the court rejects this, they can deliver a verdict?
(English is not my first language so i don’t really understand the details here XDDDD)
@yui (@yourgirlyui)
That would be how I understand it. If the courts refuse to accept the arbitration petition and therefore cause another delay, then there is no reason why the final verdict won’t be announced on the 19th as planned.
ohh please God, i just wanna JYJ wins the court. thats it!
hell the reunion of 5!
LOL!! Me too, I just want them to win and get the rights that they deserved that were taken away from them.
I really really want JYJ to win, I know they will…but somehow.. I feel like SM is going to try to appeal and drag this case for as long as they can and make JYJ suffer. I really hope this will be the last hearing and everything will be over. I am looking forward to that day
and hopefully after that, we will see JYJ on television! x)
Sh*t Man Ent, please stop making our boys sad ! just leave them life happily.. if not, i think hell is waiting for you..
This is so sickening. SM is just like a bitchy lover who didnt want to let go, clinging like a snake while trying to ruin JYJ’s life. WTH. Will the court agree this time? When will justice be prevail? I dont have much faith that the life of JYJ is going to change even if the court rule to their favour. But at least legally they will be FREE and that will take the burden off our JYJ. And we can also buried those horrible hotel/OT5 who keep slandering our boys six feet underground too. Grrrr.. I am so sick hearing their name. ..
If we are so angry with this news, imagine how our boys would feel. The wall keep on growing higher
JYJ FIGHTING!!!!
pfff, and here we go again…
like how childish can you be, don’t they have any pride, this is so ridiculously embarrasing
you know you’re gonna lose, FACE IT !
I’m not an attorney.. but how is it possible to go to arbitration at this stage?
This makes no sense.
I can’t think of any other reason other than to create psychological stress on JYJ. Really low. I honestly hope SK court doesn’t grant it. It will seriously be shame on the court system.
It’s probably no more than an exercise in futility. They already were under court ordered mediation. This is to make noise. That’s all SM knows how to do.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO IS THOSE OT5s WHO DEFEND SM?!!!! COZ I’M SURE THERE’S NONE, NO OT5 WILL DEFEND THAT SH** COMPANY, WE ALWAYS SUPPORTED JYJ IN THIS CASE SINCE THE START AND WE ALWAYS DO WE HATED SM THE MINUTE JYJ WALKED OUT OF SM, WE HATE SM AS MUCH AS YOU ALL DO.
Yeah, I’m OT5 myself, too and I hate SM and always supported JYJ in this case. This constant bashing of OT5s is tiresome and unfair and I think you guys misunderstand something. Being OT5 only means that these fans love all five of them, love the music of the old group and love the music of JYJ and the other party, too. And respect their decision, be it leaving or staying. I don’t care why the other two didn’t leave, it’s their life and their decision and I respect it but I hate SM with passion and want justice for JYJ. It doesn’t mean we want them back together or something because that is inpossible. Those who want them back as a five man group are delusional little girls uncapable of rational thinking and not being able to see the whole picture. Like HoTel girls. Or those so called Yoochun fans who demanded from Jaejoong to give back the CFs he took from their bias. Should we judge all JYJ fans based on some radical groups? That would be just as unfair as judging OT5s based on some hormonal teenager’s views…
And by the way if we strictly want to use logic, what OT5 would support SM when SM’s actions were the cause of breaking up the group? So those who defend SM are surely not OT5s, you know…
I don’t want to create a fanwar about this so I apologise if I made somebody uncomfortable but I wanted to say this for so long.
I read a few comments of people claiming to be OT5 supporting SM, but then again it can be just people trying to make them look bad. Just like i’ve seen some videos on youtube claiming to be anti JYJ and the next day posting anti Homin videos. i’m not OT5 but you’re right, i don’t think that we should generalize.
Lol, after all this time it sounds like JYJ/HM/OT5 are all political parties or something! XD
HIGH FIVE U SAID IT ALL
I myself haven’t met a OT5 who supports SMent but maybe it’s because I am looking in the right places, I have heard of fake OT5s but haven’t encountered one. As a fan of DBSK for nearly 8 years I kind of grew up with 5 members and when JYJ filed the lawsuit I was kind of mad and refused to see it the way they saw it and when I finally realize the reason JYJ filed the lawsuit I then got mad at HoMin for staying but then I realize that everyone has their reasons for doing the things they do and that apply to TVXQ/JYJ. As an OT5 nothing will make me more happy than to see JYJ wins and be able to promote their music and it’s such a shame that they can’t promote in their own country and it’s so sad, sure a reunion would make me happy but I don’t see that happening anytime soon and right now the focus should not be about a reunion since JYJ should never go back to SM and HoMin shows no signs of wanting to leave. As fans we should not be selfish and realise that JYJ was suffocating in SM and they are finally thinking of themselves after years of thinking about us fans and we should support them for been strong enough to go through all of this. I LOVE ALL FIVE MEMBERS but right now my worry is on JYJ and wanted them to win so badly and be free of stupid SM.
sorry for the long post.
@ludjmytastic22 Exactly, that’s what i’m trying to say, you just described my thoughts and feelings about the whole situation
Same here! Finally, wise words.
you try to act as a cool OT5 lol..saying “why you think like that about oT5″
and you bashed JYJ3 and JYJ fans in your twitter LOL
http://oi48.tinypic.com/245fpfm.jpg
shame on you..
any OT5 don´t want JYJ lose?
look this
http://oi46.tinypic.com/11lu6h0.jpg
OT5 wrote it in tumblr and OT5s also gave RT and you can read comments like “Is it bad that I kind of want SM to win so they could be back together again. ”
stop playing the poor victim
OMG! Is this true?
Exactly why I dislike OT5s. Whenever they’re called out for something, they will act all cool with their ever the same words “We support both sides. It’s ok if DB5K don’t reunite, we still love both. Respect our decision. We’re true fans. Cassiopeia is the best” so on and so forth. But then they turn around acting in such despicable manner. Only OT5s are right and mighty. All stans are bad and wrong, let’s bash the hell out of them for supporting one of the groups they’re claiming to support. *sarcasm* Do OT5s respect our decision at all? Will they stop rubbing their beliefs in our faces at our place? This is disgusting!
@Muwonslave
But they don’t show anything she didn’t say here openly, she didn’t talk behind anybody’s back. She’s frustrated over the same thing I am, as your second screenshot prooves. You found some foolish girls (maybe not even 14 yet) who probably don’t even understand what it would mean for Jaejoong, Junsu and Yoochun to go back to SM, what it would do to them, and what you do immediately? Generalize. All OT5s are crazy, OT5s this and OT5s that. Hell no. Just as crazy as those JYJ stans who bash everybody and anybody all over the net just because others are not fanatics like them. Not every JYJ-only fan is like that, there are more mature and sane people over here too, with whom I like talking and laughing together. Don’t generalize, please.
Nice screenshots.
@Angie
@Muwonslave
I’d be happy if you don’t generalize things. I’ve been DBSK’s fans for 8 years, I grew up with them and that makes me an OT5. I came to JYJ3 frequently because my bias is jaejoong and this site provide me with tons of good things and my way of thinking mostly same with all of you. I’m a human too so I can’t denied because I love jaejoong so I favor JYJ more, but I decided not to hate homin and just enjoyed their music.
There are tons of OT5 out there who just like me, maybe you find some annoying OT5 out there, but it’s not makes you right to call all of us disgusting. I came to this site because I respect JYJ stans otherwise, I’ll never visit this site and sometimes enjoying reading the comments, if you said “Do OT5s respect our decision at all? Will they stop rubbing their beliefs in our faces at our place? This is disgusting!” then maybe you are the one who don’t respect some OT5 who respect your decision to be JYJ stans.
I’ve been silent for a while but I’m kind of offended because you use the words “disgusting”. Many OT5 and I’ve been supporting JYJ with all the effort we have and yet called disgusting. This just isn’t right. Let’s just respect each other, since after all we are supporting the same boys. I hope JYJ win the case and will get their freedom to promote their amazing music
@nanda
I said “this is disgusting”, not “OT5s are disgusting” You’re putting words in my mouth. I have problems with the actions of many OT5s I saw on Twitter, and that OT5 in the screencap above, if she had any problem with us, she could have just settled it right here. Why brought it on her Twitter and used vulgar languages to bash JYJ fans? Such a coward. Those actions are what I call disgusting. If you’re a decent OT5 who knows how to respect other, then nobody is gonna pick fight with you. My close friend is an OT5, I choose to only support JYJ, but we can still live in peace. By the way, if you do respect us, call us “fans” instead of “stans.” Call me generalizing all you want, you can act nice and cool here, but I know for a fact that most OT5s hate JYJ fans and who knows if all of you will turn around and bash us once you leave this place. I’ve seen enough to make me grow distaste in OT5s. Why do you guys like to bring up how long you’ve been DB5K’s fans? That doesn’t necessarily make you OT5s. Many people have also supported them since debut, but now they’re JYJ or TV2XQ fans. So? I do hope you remember your words. Respect has to be earned. If we want to live in peace, OT5s need to stop that hate fest toward JYJ fans as well. Take an initial step first instead of just asking from others.
@Angie You do know it can be trolls right? And who even has free type to talk about kpop and bashing on twitter? Those fans must really have no life. Sigh. Since I don’t do that stuff, I guess I expect others to not either
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Is it possible that SM was probably going to get less rights to the music recorded than they wanted in court? I don’t think it has ever been mentioned, but when faulty contracts are a part of a situation, rights to music usually don’t come very far behind in terms of distribution rights. As of right now SM could still technically have the right to distribute JYJ music for one reason or another (or something of the sort) If the lawsuit is settled outside of court, SM will probably have more rights (in terms of music) but in turn will probably end up giving JYJ more money, and in the long run, rights to a song are worth way more than a lump sum given to a group on any one occasion. It would also explain why JYJ products are being sold and distributed at things relating to SM. The only way they could distribute it is because they have at least some of the rights relating to it unless you honestly think SM would be selling bootleg copies of something. I mean really…
Copyrights and royalites are a completely separate issue here. What JYJ is asking for are the earnings from all the hardwork they did. They made a considerable amount of change for SME, and SME stiffed them big time. So, being paid fairly for all their hardwork is the right thing. The court has already said SME cheated JYJ them. Now it’s deciding how much SME owes them.
I’m hoping at some point in time JYJ goes after SME for those copyrights and royalties and sues the panties off of LSM/SME. That would make my day.
@butterflies
Oh, the court has already said that SME cheated JYJ? so then SME is considered guilty now? that’s a better news then.. I though it’s still a fight to decide who’s wrong…
I’ll have to dig out the link from TheJYJFiles (it’s also here on JYJ3.net) that gives an account of the court finding regarding the contract. The court basically said the contract was unfair, it was ‘subjugating’. They ran down point by point showing the advantage SME had over JYJ. At no point was there an advantage to JYJ. So yes, the court pretty much decided in favor of JYJ, all that was left was how much SME was going to owe the guys. That is why SME has gone bats**t crazy over this whole thing. They know they are going to lose BIG TIME.
Here is the link….it’s rather lengthy, but it presents what the court has said about the contract. It will be hard for SME to prevail after this decision was handed down…
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/sms-objection-dismissed-summary-explanation/
wow, that’s interesting.. thanks for the link!!
so does everyone (I mean, everyone, K-Pop fans, Cassies, and the public) in Korea aware that SME is guilty now? basically JYJ is winning half way already, yay!! (by getting the approval from the court that SME is guilty)
LSM is such an *$$.. everyone knows he’s guilty, yet he still wants to cling on the boys… -_________-
I know some of my friends (not in Korea) who are JYJ fans are familiar with this issue, but I’m pretty sad that other newer K-Pop fans seem to only know about SM’s products (Suju, SNSD, etc etc…) They need to know about our boys’ talents too!! sigh.. I guess that’s why SM is trying to do stuff overseas..
why can’t LSM just end things gracefully and give what our boys deserve??
@petdino
“why can’t LSM just end things gracefully and give what our boys deserve?”
My answer to this question is this….
If LSM had intended to be fair and generous from the beginning, he would never have shoved that contract under their noses for them to sign. That has never been their goal from the beginning. No attorney present for the signees or parents, just a “take my word for it, I’ll be fair.” The man is a snake, and the company is a nest of vipers.
They intentionally prey on the young and vulnerable with huge dreams. They know full well how to make the situation work for SME. So, being ‘graceful’ for LSM is an oxymoron, can’t happen. The man wouldn’t know graceful if he tripped over it.
This is why Lady Karma is going to b***hslap him and his cohorts just so they understand they did a bad thing.
@ExpiredxMilk
” it possible that SM was probably going to get less rights to the music recorded than they wanted in court?”
The unfortunate truth is that we as international fans, and most likely even Korean nationals as well have no details of this case such as exactly what JYJ hopes to realize from winning this case. We will have to learn all that after the fact. Even then, the exact details of the settlement could remain under wraps. So we’ll have to wait and see what we can find out.
You’re correct. No one in the general (non-hardcore-fan) Korean population is talking about this at all. I don’t even think most of them even realize there is a lawsuit going on. It is never in the news in any substantive way and was filed so long ago that everyone’s basically forgotten. People just sort of vaguely know JYJ left TVXQ over some conflict or something.
*sigh*
We’re coming up on the three year mark for this lawsuit. While I can’t excuse the way SM and the Korean entertainment industry in general have been handling issues like this it makes you wonder….why did SM write up such a contract? Why did JYJ sign it? JYJ were just kids who wanted to be idols and SM made it happen. The only thing that happened here was an overwhelming desire to be a performer and the exploitation of a group of people who don’t know how to interpret legal documents. When this ends, I hope Korea will go through steps to ensure the rights of artists and make an effort to educate prospective idols about the basics of the music industry and entertainment law. Meanwhile here in America you still have people signing 360 deals thinking they just struck gold for years until they realize what really happened. Yea, they could be famous, but that’s the absolute best outcome. Fame and nothing else.
@Trooper7
“Meanwhile here in America you still have people signing 360 deals thinking they just struck gold for years until they realize what really happened. Yea, they could be famous, but that’s the absolute best outcome. Fame and nothing else.”
Oh, you are SOOO right.
Record contracts here have gone all the way back to the maximum position “Everything For ME, Nothing For YOU” contracts of the 1960s. Yet, it hurts me to even think of the parents of the members of JYJ trying to decipher an SM contract way back when, with their fidgety, dying to sing offspring sitting next to them. The details of the SM deal have been gone over time and again and I won’t belabor them here. What I will say is that future generations of SK singing hopefuls will be well served by the precedent that JYJ has set via this landmark lawsuit.
I am really looking forward to the close of this case. Really hope our trio can release their albums in Korea like the other groups and make it to the TV shows… And even after this trial, SM still has another two chances for trial, doesn’t it??
No F***IN’ way !
I’ve been waiting for this 19th of July day like Crazy , for the boys to have an end and for this burden to be left off their shoulders.
And seriously ! Now I am MAD !
I’ll pray for the court to reject this arbitration request , For God’s sake !
Enough pain for JYJ already ! ..
For anyone who is interested in how the litigation process works in SK…it’s not very detailed but does give an overview. It even mentions the use of arbitration.
http://asialawprofiles.com/Guide/319/Korea-litigation-guide.html
Can’t we make a petition to the court similar to what the Japanese fans did and have it submitted as court document before the ruling next week. If international fans show discontent as they are prevented from supporting, consuming & viewing the products of one of the major flag bearers of Hallyu, it might influence the judge as to not drag this thing further…
What do you guys think??? is it worth it, or have similar stuff been done before??
Interesting to see what the court will rule. Without looking at the pleading, and not as if I would be able to read Korean, it is hard to say what the basis would be for arbitration, especially if it has already been rejected in 2011.
Complete stalling tatics by SM, which is a shame, really. Just goes to show you how much of a threat SM thinks JYJ is.
is there any limit as to one party can arbitrate or delay the final hearing? or is july 19 the final final final most final date for this case where this all come to an end? is there any other chance for SM to delay everything?
WTF SM -____-
just go to hell, LSM!! JYJ FIGHTING!!
Lets just support JYJ even more. They need us more than ever.
They are seriously three most amazing brave young men.
I pray that SM’s request be rejected, and that the ruling comes through on 7/19.
Praying for JYJ’s highest and greatest good…….they are such role models. I love them.
even though their roads are very tough now, I believe that in time, JYJ will be very blessed and karma will punish SM
Enough of the delays and long waiting
I pray for a just & fair conclusion – JYJ Wins!
That’s all, period.
Honestly it’s interesting to me how the most upsetting point in this post was whether OT5s want them back as 5 or not (and the validity of such a wish), when the news is obviously about the SM’s LATEST DIRTY TRICK, just 8 days before the trial’s FINAL RULING, to once again DELAY an already 3 YEAR LONG lawsuit.
Really? That’s what makes you most angry? Definition of OT5, at this moment, right after reading this?
Nothing wrong with that, and it certainly makes one think, doesn’t it?
I think I am misinformed. Is it the FINAL ruling as in SME can no longer appeal if the ruling is not in their favor or simply the last ruling for this particular court?
Yes…..I can’t pretend to care if OT5′s are offended or not because this is about JYJ’s legal case against the biggest snake in the music industry. If OT5 are or aren’t a certain way or some do this but others don’t, blah, blah, blah………
it’s truly a secondary (not even) concern when compared to the problems facing JYJ at this moment.
final ruling for 1st trial, as the statement above said. SM can still appeal for higher court even after the final ruling announced. at this rate, SM should have realized that they’ll lose. but since i think their main objection isn’t winning the case but delaying the lawsuit as long as possible, SM’s probability to appeal is like… 99.999%? meh.
You weren’t misinformed. It’s the final ruling of this go-round, which has lasted 3 years. SM can appeal after this if the court finds their appeal to have merit.
I don’t think it detracts from my point though. It’s been 3 years for it to even get to this point.
I am OT5 myself: I love all five, although I definitely identify with JYJ’s trailblazing, courageous and one of kind spirit more. I just find it super interesting that some OT5 say that they hate SM yet what’s more upsetting in this post to them is the validity/legitimacy of their wish for 5 to re-unite versus the dirty tactics from SM that just unfolded before our eyes.
Sigh.
I am praying for JYJ’s greatest and highest good.
“The one who follows the crowd will usually go no further than the crowd. Those who walk alone are likely to find themselves in places no one has ever been.” –Einstein
So many people are already better off because of JYJ’s courage and sacrifice. These 3 already impacted policy change that made such a REAL difference for other artists (ex: contract length, youth rights…..etc). I don’t know how many of those who benefited from JYJ’s actions actually thanked them, but it’s clear to me that many have a better deal because of them.
So proud of them. Now, Korean court, do your thing. Let justice be served.
why am i not surprised? i always think that SM will certainly do something in order to prolong this case, they’ve been doing that for years. and isn’t this just the 1st trial (took ~3 years to complete the first one, crazy)? idk if SK has the same law, but if it’s only the 1st trial, SM (and JYJ too, though they certainly wouldn’t need that) still has a right to appeal, right? and there’ll be another trials, which could take forever too. by the time the case finished, probably the contract is already expired…
yeah, i did hope for everything to finish on next week, that JYJ will have more possibilities to appear on TV shows, promote more, etc… but i can’t even think that’d be the case. still, currenly, they’re still able to promote in their own way and gain new fans in the process. i just hope things that they’re still able to do now, SM couldn’t interfere to it anymore. what JYJ still able to do now is more than enough to me. and meanwhile, i would just enjoy the best they can offer.
SM, these rats >..< JYJ must win, and judging from SM's actions, they will. Marking 19 July in my JYJ calender now and counting the days down~
This upsets me to no end. A seemingly simple civil case about labor contracts turns out more complicated than ever. It’s taken what, 3 years, and is still unfinished. While the plaintiffs, who are in less favorable condition, maintain their integrity and compliance to what are required of them, the powerful defendant on the other hand keeps playing around with the authority, delaying court process, and stalling judgement. Not to mention its minions never stop defaming and spreading vicious rumors about the other side. The court should realize this much and not grant such arbitration. There had been 4 times of arbitration and no agreement resulted from it. So what is the point for the fifth? Arbitration my ass, it’s glaringly obvious that SME just wants to drag the case and delays the final ruling to exhaust JYJ’s time and money. The judge needs to stop letting SME have their way. Come on, Korean Judicial system, please do not disappoint! Also, this just proves how thin of the chance for SME to win, that’s why it has to resort to such desperate attempt. We need to support JYJ even more and prepare ourselves for whatever is to come. Who knows what rumors will surface in this coming week?
I wonder if law is very strict and enforced in SK as it is in the US? 3 years is not a logical time for a labor contracts case to be solved and I wonder if SME used their power and contacts to manipulate the court?
as a witness these past years, court decisions has been trampled and ignored so many times by SM and its cronies.
‘If you were the one who was highly expected to win a lawsuit, would you apply for arbitration which took months, a week before final ruling date?’ THIS !
I hope the court rejects the arbitration. this case had been dragged for too long, thanks to SM for doing that ~sarcasm~.
and i hope that SM will pay BIG.
QUESTION- Why do some of you want them as 5 when the other 2have done nothing. I dont get tht Do you all think if JYJ wins every thing the other 2can just say we want out of SM and tht would be OK, 4me it’s NOT OK. ALOT has happened to JYJ these past years and i havent seen any support from those 2. JYJ have fought so much these past years. Now they are some how getting health thanks to the new friends they meet and the fan that were with them throught all this crap you want them to just 4get it with oh im sory we left the SM after u did all the work and should be 5 again. They need to be FRIENDS&HAVE TRUST FOR EACH OTHER BEFORE THEY PROMOTE AND THEY NEED TO THAT BC THEY WANT TO NOT BC OF US FANS I SUPPORT JYJ & ALL I WANT IS THEM TO BE HAPPPY AND HAVE FREEDOM LIKE OTHER KOREAN ARTIST BC THEY MAKE ME HAPPY.
@#1jyj
“QUESTION- Why do some of you want them as 5 when the other 2have done nothing. I dont get tht”
Speaking for myself, I can not enjoy looking at them or hearing them sing ever again. I was a fan of DBSK but to me character and accountability for one’s actions trumped that enjoyment of Homin’s participation, talent and abilities long ago. That they willingly stayed with a company who then set about the business of persecuting and defaming JYJ for the last 3 years, that Homin has never said ONE WORD in defense or mitigation of JYJ in any way — that to me is unforgivable.
My two cents…I am a dyed in the wool JYJ fan. .but has anyone noticed that after JYJ had the big fan event, that TVXQ had a fan event in Japan? Is it me or does it seem that TVXQ is trying to mirror all the events that JYJ has been presenting? I do hope there is a settlement soon and JYJ goes on to become bigger and better than ever.
I bear no ill will towards TVXQ, just not in their corner.
TVXQ has already have bigeast fan club events. It’s nothing new. Matter of fact, I looooooved all the old fan club events. If you haven’t already, check out the footage.
What’s disgusting to me is that SMAVEX decided to have this bigeast fanclub event AT THE SAME WEEK where JYJ is doing their membership week. But what else is new? These two companies are the lowest of the low. So insecure, so afraid of JYJ, yet so eager to copy everything JYJ does. (Yes, SM is going to copy the JYJ memberhsip week idea, although I HIGHLY DOUBT it will be free. I am not concerned though: matter of fact I am going to be happy watching it flop, just like the I AM movie.)
Sorry, not has already, has always is what I meant. Back when TVXQ was five they had already had fanclub events.
the I AM movie failure has been one of the highlights of my summer so far. i loved the bar graphs (posted here) depicting the severe beat-down sme received.
Yes. Everything that JYJ do, SM will follow. Just look at the dutty free CF? When JYJ get Lotte, they get Shilla. When JYJ got Cosmetic CF with Nature Republic, TVXQ got MISHA cosmetic contracts, and so on…so yeah…^___^
JYJ, Fighting! I am sorry that I can’t do too much for you, but I will continue to love you and support you always. Somewhere out there in your country, there must be at least one powerful person who can say enough to this bs and affect cultural change in the k-entertainment, not only for you/JYJ, but also for all the other young boys and girls who dream to be part of the industry and who don’t have a strong enough voice to stand up for their rights. Hopefully, this will happen sooner than later, because as we speak, there are many other youngsters in the industry who may be suffering an inhumane treatment. I hope the court sees what this real is, and they help to create a precedent. I know our boys are going to be fine even though they are many challenges and suffering, but they are out, they have great loving families and friends, and there are many lovely fans who love them unconditionally.
*hugs*
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@Daebaksama
“JYJ, Fighting! I am sorry that I can’t do too much for you, but I will continue to love you and support you always. Somewhere out there in your country, there must be at least one powerful person who can say enough to this bs and affect cultural change in the k-entertainment”
Hi – I just loved your whole comment and I truly believe that JYJ will one day be of further help to all young entertainers coming up who need a voice in the industry calling for fairness. Considering how talented and special the members of JYJ were and how hard they worked once upon a time, what happened to them shouldn’t happen to a dog. I believe that they will continue to be a strong advocate and role model for others who have a dream, have talent and want to work hard.
Dear beautiful people, let’s be reminded again that JYJ3 is only for JYJ, no more, no less as created graciously by Mia, and maintained by our hardworking Admin.
Let’s focus more on the case please and pray together that JYJ will finally, finally, finally FINISH their case with a SURE WIN!
That JYJ’s Justice and Freedom be finally served, recognized, reinstalled, reinstated in SK and Japan (soon)
Lets stop the other heated discussions irrelevant to the case please,
So stop!
Thumbs up dear sis!!!!
@jyj1214
“Lets stop the other heated discussions irrelevant to the case please,
So stop!”
You’re right, you’re right – mea culpa, mea culpa…I read things that make my blood boil, get in defensive mode and the fur flies. Thanks for the reminder. I probably needed it.
xxoo
t5xq never be…if jyj win they have their fandom(maybe homin think to leave sm/and maybe maybe theiy will be reunite.but they will be change they name.because t5xq is SM’s name) but if they lost they never want go back to SM.i am jyj’s fan just want jyj win this lawsuit and will suport what they decision.
SME does NOT own the TVXQ name. The five members do.
SM never could get the copyrights for the TVXQ name. When JYJ first filed the lawsuit, SM tried 2-3 times to make it their own trademark/copyright (forgot which term to use), but it was rejected…It was ruled that the name belongs only to the members of the group.
If the name belongs to the all members of the group, is it legal for HoMin to use it for only two of them? I meant do they need to ask for permission from JYJ first? Wasn’t Junsu upset when the two started using the name?
My question to you is, do you think JYJ will sue HM for using the name meant for five?
So there you have the answer as why HM is allow to use that name.
Coz SM take advantage of JYJ’s kindness.
That’s what.
yup ..just that jyj members are that kind…so meek they are stepped down by those who proclaimed themselves as righteous .(t’was the sarcasm of the society )
July 19th….The day I start fasting and the day the final ruling is out…. /nervous/
I really am sick of this lawsuit, and it’s obvious that SME is going to lose. I swear…They’ve delayed it so many times that it’s ridiculous. I really hope their arbitration is rejected so much. We’re so close to the end, but of course SM wants to mess everything up, as usual.
I know I am so over this lawsuit and I just want JYJ to win and SM needs to realize that they won’t win.
this is the lawsuit that never ends, it goes on and on my friends….GAAAH
SM is only dragging it out because they know they will lose
the mystery is that why 2tvxq members remained when they could even bring the tvxq name with them outside the company .. i mean they owned it by law sm lost that claim of rights a long time ago .jyj on the other hand had decided after for such painstaking decision they released themselves towards the grasp of the ‘ slavetrade’ company in exchange of fame from their old name and start from the scratch. They move forward and was hoping at first for the two to joined them..but who let go ? the 3 did not win their 2 friends leaving them much as the two decided to remain.
From this juncture SHOULD BY SOME MIRACLE HAPPENED , whom do u think should take countermeasures to pull out the broken string and reunite the ends once more? the one who reached out but was unreciprocated by the opposite side or the ones whom stayed and claimed to be the hero for keeping the famed name??
honestly , i dont exactly know wht happened to this group , but evn me as an outsider couldnt help but feel hate at the same time longingness to this torn bond friendship sharing an astounding voice and commanding appearance in the stage which resulted to the only one distinguishable amidst other idols standing at same stage as them . So we could not blame those who wanted them to reunite in the stage once more because as them five is really way different and magnificient than two/three mmbers today . Ofcurs they were really great in what they are now but we must b honest to ourselves just by looking at their vid ,they were resonating and near to perfect .
But then , its just that the fate turn against the tide so lets just face the truth and accept.
To Jyj members , u have done all ur task to reach out .. this time , the homin should initiate the means if they EVER WANTED TO COMEBACK (WHICH I DOUBT WILL GOING TO HAPPEN, not unle ss the they are willing to throw thier fame and start just like wht jyj hav done if only they conquer their fear of being an outcast )
to homin ,IM sure , the fandom will understand ..or pls dont make the new fans think those brotherhood u showed to the public faked, perhaps forced?..i couldnt be right , right?
yeah, your thoughts made me think too.. why did they want to stay? if their brotherhood was THAT strong, why did those 2 afraid to get out and start from scratch like JYJ did?
well, I guess we’ll never know.. I guess they might have their own reasons, but one thing I know is that we must all pray for the best outcome of this matter
“the mystery is that why 2tvxq members remained when they could even bring the tvxq name with them outside the company ..”
there’s no mystery in that. they are all still signed with SM for years ahead, so “leaving” will means contract violation and they will get penalty for that, or they can try to file a lawsuit for terminating the contract. jyj decided to fight for what they believe while homin decided to stay for what they believe. which one is “right”? well, it depends on what value you believe in. it’s not like i don’t believe in the brotherhood, but if you have different values, i don’t think even brotherhood can save the “parting ways”.
it’s indeed sad that they cut all ties, had this whole drama, etc so i hope later time would heal it and we’ll see them at least gathering once in a while like H.O.T did. however, a comeback together? nah, i doubt that. if H.O.T managed to do a comeback, not just gathering between some members (and JYJ/Homin situation is much more complicated), i’ll think about that possibility again.
For me, the talents are with the 3 not the 2. Therefore I go where the 3 goes.
If JYJ wins the case, the others should not get a single cent. By staying, they have concurred with the doings of the company.
“By staying, they have concurred with the doings of the company.
short but precise, so back off REUNION as 5 , no more talk !
AHAHHA… if they actually receive something..well, lemme rephrase…accept something when jyj win the suit, i’ll be here laughing like an evil maniac.
I just want JYJ win this case.. JYJ (•̀_•́)ง 화이팅 !!! …
I really hate SMent Now!!! F**k SM..
Give our best support for JYJ..
♥ 김재중 !! Fighting \(′▽`)/
♥ 박유천 !! Fighting \(′▽`)/
♥ 김준수 !! Fighting \(′▽`)/
Everyone….Take out your frying pan…..
i’m already ,,, whose join????
LOL. I think besides us JYJERS, Pak Ha would willingly join us. Didnt she used frying fan in RTP?
I already posted on twitter my “JYJ Frying Pan Army”. They’re ready and seeking justice…
Here they are:
Iron Pan: http://twitpic.com/9veyhw
Bat Pan: http://twitpic.com/9w3nt3
Super Pan: http://twitpic.com/9vptzm
and our personal Avengers: http://twitpic.com/9veyvn
Would you join us? http://twitpic.com/9v0c1q
@Ellis
LOVE the JYJ Avengers! lol Retweeted.
sigh, another one of those plain hopeless arguments between OT5 n jyj fans again. @OT5s i guess u guys knew that jyj fans dont want tv5q to reunite so why even bother changing their minds.think rationally, if u truly believe that tv5q will be able to reunite then do something bout it. convince both sides to do that. if you’re all talk and no action is made,all ur hopes will just be nothing but hopes. @jyjfans dont bother with the ot5′s if you cant convince them what u think is true.it’s just a waste of time. my friends r now looking at me like i’m crazy cuz i’m in the middle of a computer lesson in school.looking at all this just make me feel hopeless again.
some ot5 always act that nothing happen between the 2 and the 3 in this 3 years so they can easily reunite ..
*praying* for JYJ
this is really frustrating smh.. sm/lsm is so damn childish…JYJ Fighting
“but I just wanted to explain as OT5s/HoTels say some ridiculous things to defend SM.”
I’m sorry, but it should be like this,
“but I just wanted to explain as SOME MANIAC/DELUSIONAL OT5s AND HoTels say some ridiculous things to defend SM.”
whoever write this forgot to mention the keywords..
you guys can hate OT5′s guts, but we do loves these men as much as JYJ-ers. i was totally jumping ship to bending more on JYJ rather than homin because i hate SM, but that doesn’t make me love them less.
I’m a diehard OT5.but i never defend SM, and i don’t want to be put under the same categories as those low people.
back to topic,
i don’t know who’s the one behind this, but surely SM is an expert when it comes to retaliate from law. who knows what kind of sh*t you can find once you audit them, tsk,tsk,tsk..
lol, to the keyword : SOME MANIAC/DELUSIONAL
and I should remember that always !
Reblogged this on dreamalexia.
It seems SM is feeling lost…….. We all know now who is winning the trial. SM is desperate trying to avoid the final ruling. I really hope the judge will be wise enough to reject SM’s petition of arbitration. SM, you are doomed .
I hope JYJ win the lawsuit.
As for reunion, it’s difficult in near future. Why? Only two options: JYJ back to SM or HoMin leave SM. Both are impossible. How can JYJ go back to the company they wanna get away and that treat them badly these last few years. And for HoMin, how can they leave the company they are always so proud about and swallow their pride to join JYJ that they even called as “traitor” (what Changmin said in an interview before about the birds leaving the flock? Sorry, kind of forget!)
And I think that many (or should I say most?) OT5 are double standards much. I mean because they are OT5 then they support all five. They say the dislike or even hate SM but they buy SM products and went to SM events or maybe just supporting in any other ways (watch their TV shows, buy magz featuring TV2XQ, vote for them, etc) because after all they support the TV2XQ too. It’s difficult to be OT5, I imagine, but once you’re OT5 you just can’t really 100% support JYJ, because in the process you also support the “enemy” of JYJ. You still make the company that treat JYJ badly so much support to make it big still. And when the company keep staying big, and strong, they will find ways to suppress JYJ more easily. I think that in a point we have to take side, but that doesn’t mean that you have to hate the other group and behave like antis.
To me OT5s mean those who love the five, and how each decides to support the five vary. You are absolutely right in terms how the money part gets very tricky, but money is only one way to support, and a very individual choice that, in this case, becomes really painful that OT5s have to face. I don’t think it’s so black and white, although I am sure many would see it that way.
It’s a very painful situation for a lot of OT5s to get stuck in for the past three years, to be pulled in two polar opposites. I think a little compassion can go a long way, actually for all fans.
And at the end of the day, at least for this post: REALLY THE POINT IS THAT PLEASE LET JYJ WIN ON 7/19. LET JUSTICE PREVAIL.
@Emma Lin (@emma1329)
It is indeed rather a painful thing to stay an OT5 and to be loud about it. Even to be an OT5 and support them separately will still make an OT5 gets enemies, from JYJer, HoMiner and from hard-core OT5 who fancy reunion.
I know some sad OT5 who find it difficult to openly say that they are supporting both sides. I am never an expert in loving, so I do not know how to love so many idols without giving myself headaches. I am proud of them who can still love many equally and love them unconditionally, no matter what their idols’ options are….
I haven’t come across OT5 (on Twitterland) who do not support JYJ winning in this never-ending lawsuit. Only HoMiners will do so.
JYJ for WINNING!!
Thank you so much for your compassion. Truly. I feel it……TTTTTTTTTTTTT I am no expert in loving, either, but your understanding sure feels like spring rain, very healing…..
Honestly, it’s a lot of headaches…..A LOT OF HEADACHES to love the five of them (and honestly I feel pretty insecure a lot of times because it is so conflicted), but I know each side has its own pain, too. What lin-lin shared has truth in it, and it isn’t anything that I haven’t heard before. It just hurts, so much, when people say that if you love all five then you can’t support JYJ truly, because that feels like somehow my love for JYJ is flawed, or insincere, or not good enough, when I am giving it the best I’ve got. It’s very painful when the best I can do is just not good enough for others, but that does happen.
What a mess, yet out of it emerge THREE SUCH AMAZING YOUNG MEN whose courage and trailblazing spirit have truly earned my respect, admiration, and awe. I keep my eyes on them. They have touched so many on such a deep level that’s so needed. When I have no answers, I look at them and I feel like it’s okay to stay with all these conflicts inside myself that I have no answers for, and keep learning to practice my best…….hope to the end.
JYJ FOR WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Please let them win on 7/19)
simply that im on jyj side but i kind of understand few ot5 . i mean these fans loved the harmony of 5 mmbers when they sang a long time ago .. i mean who wouldnt fall for their falsetto voices ?? evn international fans rcognized their talents .they could maintain their strong voices on a huge stadium ..
the only thing that became wrong is the way they are now (separated) and miscommunicated.
the reunioun was good yes iF that happens .. (but then from situation now ) its better to leave them be ..and see what time will do to them .
if they remained separated for life .Then its also okay as long as no hurt feelings harbor their hearts as pain causes negativ effects on singing projection makes the song awfully gloomy .
So i think jyj and ot5 let us just respect whatever these two group’s decision in the end . To those who hate homin we understood that the other side of hate is love that u used to loved them and was hurt , and those who loved jyj , pls continue to love them as they will need that more in the future . Let us pray for their success and true rewards they need to receive for their hard work.
but yes ,..i think reunion is utterly…. I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E..
LETS CUT IT THAT WAY>
Instead of discussing about the application of Arbitration, this post comments are mostly centered to OT5ness. I think we have to pause for awhile and if you believe in Divine Intervention, whatever belief you have, can we just join our wishes and prayers for JYJ to have the Victory and Final Verdict of this lawsuit, who cares if SM will file an appeal if they lose, we just badly need the WIN for JYJ on July 19, that’s the most important, that SM’s application for arbitration had been dunk to the trash can.
I second that!!
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!
After 19th July, then we talk. My mouth has been so itchy to spit out everything and bash SM and all the bit**es!!!
Dear all…..
I wonder if you know me…. or what my stand is. Let my name does the explanation…
SM & LSM are praying diligently lately, for they can see the darkest cloud is coming towards them. All the spending made to promote their artists and with what they consider as ‘unexpectedly’ low income as results has made them the less powerful management at this moment. It means less power to control whatever it is they have been controlling all these years in SK.
Delaying and altering the whole process are only done by people who are so desperate in finding a new gap to give them a bit of winning chance, never by anyone who feels victory is coming.
Fans… as suspected, are surely standing closely arms to arms to prevent the strong wind from blowing SM from their solid ground to a nowhere place in the sky. Fans who are defending the 2 and claiming to abandon SM are the most pathetic kind. One may not love the management where the artists are dwelling, but surely can not say that they want the management to lose a fight, when their beloved artists are still staking their lives within the management.
And with the reunion? Just read the facts and face the reality! There is nothing coming from any of the 5 about wanting any reunions. The reunion desired by fans only occurred some moments after the separating. Never again after that. This is indeed an awful thing to be digested by those who are still dreaming about it. But surely…. like life itself, reality does bite!
Cheers.
Hugz!
The court MUST reject it!
There is no reason for JYJ to accept it, and neither should the court find any reason to play by SM’s dirty tricks.
It’s been 3 years.
Enough is enough!
And, can’t help but put in my opinion on the OT5 discussion.
Being an ex-OT5 myself, I fully understand why OT5 feel an attachment to all 5 of the TVXQ members coz I’ve supported them since they debuted and I do love my TV5XQ.
But I’ll also tell you why I’ve decided to stand by JYJ, read on if you’re interested.
I think what current OT5 need to understand is that most JYJ fans do not begrudge the fact that Homin chose to stay at SM. (I am such, and as far as possible, those JYJers I spoke to think the same.)
Ultimately, it’s their own lives and own careers. No one, not even their family, has the right to decide for them.
And if anything, they probably weigh the pros and cons of leaving and staying.
We have to be honest in saying that, unlike the 3 members who left, the 2 may not be able to survive without a huge company backing.
Regardless of the reasons why they decide to stay, the one thing that pushed many fans to side with JYJ and ultimately ignore HM apart from the dirty things SM did to JYJ, is what HM have done, or better still, what HM have not done.
I believe the ‘infamous’ interview of HM need not be repeated coz we all know what they said there.
And the fact that they have never once express anything remotely ‘favorable’ towards their 3 members who have been almost condemned by the Korean entertainment industry, despite various olive leaves, even trees being stretched by JYJ to them.
So obviously, JYJ fans are not gonna think positively towards HM.
And I’ve always believe in this quote;
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
By continuing to support SM products and giving them money, we’re simply providing the ammunition for them to shoot JYJ with.
What’s the message being sent?
“Oh, we’ll buy your products and give you money while you can just continue to suppress JYJ.” ???
Maybe OT5 take HM and SM as different entities but the fact is, HM is IN SM. Their fates are intertwined regardless of whether you want to admit or not.
So no, no way am I gonna give even one single cent to SM and yes, I hope and pray for the worse for them EVERY SINGLE TIME POSSIBLE.
Amen sis, i totally agree and take the same stand as you.
@shadow & @jyj1214
Ditto ^__^ ❤••❤••❤
@shadow
A+++
Agree with you.
Same as the nutrition supply chain to cancer cells, must be cut completely.
Last year ex-leader MENTIONED about the Bora Bora story of 5
at the “Strong Heart” episode.
He was never good at variety show, this was his last card .
Which made us “sick”.
Junsu missing the Bora Bora at recent membership week,
was a pure instinctive reply.
what??? the ex-leader DARED to mention it???? WTF -__-
Agreed!
Neither will I give a single damm cents to ass***** SM!
Deep bow to my sis. m(_ _)m
I’ve no word to add to your perfect post!
To SM :
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Business is business, who can blame you on this?
But , the ” rebellious slaves ” were already expelled to the remote barren land to earn a living, isn’t it time to reconcile ?
A first born son even couldn’t hold his father’s hands while the father is dying in hospital this year. You’ve indirectly created the most sorrowful regret, which the Lord could hardly forgive.
Dun’t turn your M Town into Nineveh City.
To Homin :
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宣州谢朓楼饯别校书叔云 – 「李白」
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弃我去者，昨日之日不可留;
乱我心者，今日之日多烦忧。
长风万里送秋雁，对此可以酣高楼
Me being a OT5 I want JYJ to win at all cost. Screw SME if JYJ and HoMin want to get back as 5 then let it be between them and not under SME. I agree some of the OT5 have said messed up stuff. Even I can’t agree with some things they have said. I even talked to former JYJ stans and some are really cool and don’t cast judgement of why HoMin stayed. We don’t know the story from any side and it really is none of our business why. In the end it is whatever happens happens and whatever the outcome is in the end we are big girls now we need to deal with the outcome. So in agreement because JYJ did promise us that after all of this is over they will tell us what happened freely and I am waiting for it and whatever is said fans on either side will need to deal with the truth. Of course I want it to be like Shinhwa who left SME and left two members behind and then when the contract over they will get back together. But these men are grown. But seriously some of the comments for god sakes people chill out. I know I am going to get bashed for my comment as usual but never gave a care before. But the hate for no reason is so crazy. And some don’t even care that they are upsetting JYJ because we all fight remember JYJ share Cassiopeia with HoMin. And you know what as a OT5 I don’t mind at all
i just hope after the case close, JYJ and HoMin will become close friend again..
it doesn’t matter if they reunite as DBSK or not, i just hope it will end well for both side (even though i hope JYJ will be more successful than ever!!!)
let us hope that jyj should speak their minds after these long confusion .. I hate the deafening silence that causes chaos of the fandom.. let us hear the truth so someone out there should speak up and hurry before everything’s too late ..
to >SK COURT : please be a fair judge and show the world how strong your conviction towards justice and equity . i mean u’r wealthy enough so please dont ever digest a sackful money from the crownies should they ever pay u off for you to make a crooked decision .
You knew who was the victim and who was the culprit in this case .. After 3 long years Its time for you to give a perfect meaning as to why you ( judicial system) ever exists. remember , No one is above the law. please let these citizens be the watcher and the believer of your integrity and that equalityand fair judgment could never waiver in this jury . Lets end this once and for all and give the victims the justice and the privileget which were denied to them for such a long time .
I’m OT5! JYJ bias!… want them to be together again… in terms of BROTHERHOOD! JYJ fighting! SM get lost! For me, JYJ only or DB5K! no DB2K!
I strongly believe Evil will not prevail. May prayers surround our JYJ till the final verdict on 19th July and stop this nonsense.
And also, there are no way now 2VXQ and our JYJ will be together as before based on situations and circumstances. It is not easy as you think for there are cracks that are hard to mend.
I’ll stop here, I won’t say any further, cos’ I had said so many times already.
Actions will speak louder than words and when it does, don’t cry a river when it will not be what you want, OT5.
@murasaki
We can say our words after 19th July sis…
Hugz u!!
I will also add my 2 cents since everyone else has. It a little defence of homin. I don’t know too much about it because I don’t closely follow but I do know that in most places of work in my country you can get yourself into some serious legal trouble if you publicly insult your employer. I work for local government at the moment and they actually sent round an email warning us to be careful about what we posted on our own private facebook accounts. So this may be the reason for Homin saying nothing.
Wasn’t Eunhyuk not friends with Junsu on twitter for ages but they are still close in real life? JYJ probably still have a lot of friends working for SM but I doubt those people are allowed to publicly aknowledge them. There is a strong possibility that Homin have had contact with JYJ – do you really think they would broadcast it to the whole world? I remember a while ago Junsu or Jaejoong trying to contact Yunho and him saying they hadn’t and then they sent another message and then… no one heard anything else about it right? Suddenly they all just dropped the whole issue. Funny that.
I don’t know them as people so I can’t say whether they are twatty or not or hate each other or love each other, but neither can you either. It’s unreasonable of you to expect for Homin to be able to make a grand gesture at Yoochun’s father’s funeral – how could they possibly do that knowing who they work for? But you can’t also say that just because there were no official words of support from them, that they did not support them privately.
really wish 19th July will be favorable for JYJ, they deserve it!!! The fact is the longer the case delayed, not only some limitations faced by JYJ but malicious rumours or fanwars are prone to break out
while things like those may strengthen our mental, there’s anger n sadness as well.. I’m also fans of past DBSK, I try to respect decision made by both unit but frankly speaking, due to things + circumstances caused after the split (my bias for JYJ not fully influenced this comment) it’s obviously seen that this prolonged case is just lame..hope the very best for JYJ, never lose the faith & courage ^ fighting!!!
yes we may not know the inside facts or truth unofficially happened, just hope any negative issues won’t crash the truly fans..aren’t we considered as one family, believing and supporting them? We’re expecting best result for JYJ, let’s focus on that instead ^
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Agreed with one exeption. A BIG ONE.
WE, OT5, HATE SME AS MUCH AS YOU DO!!!
Remember that please, we don’t, I repeat we don’t like SME/LSM at all.
If you encountered a or fwe OT5 who liked SME or LSM, well these are “the exceptions that confirm the rule.” I am part of an over 6000 cassies (DBSK5) and trust me, NO LOVE IS FOR SME/LSM.
So, please, in teh future, try and don’t write about OT5 things like that. Makes my skin shrudder in disgust for SME/LSM.
Thank u and hope I didn’t ofended anyone. Have a good day.
PS. We also love, love, love, love (you know what I mean) JYJ. Not only DBSK5. We love and respect every member because JYJ does that and HoMin does that but aren’t alloud to express in public. You can’t forget a friendship like they had/have(who knows…only them).
just random think .. for ot5 the meaning of We are support the 5 ..we support both JYJ and Hm ..so please give me explain .. when JYJ concert or Junsu concert so many ot5 wear db5k shirt, bring db5k banner and poster even scream the other name.. this is what u call ‘we are support the both’?? Here u say say we are not delusional .. we respect each other bla … bla .. bla .. . please .. give me explain …
To some upset OT5 Fans: Calm down!
JYJ3 isn’t allowed to change or edit this post. We follow and respect the author request. For us, the information that is posted here it’s more important right now, because it’s related to the lawsuit. This information was taked from a korean fan who is following the lawsuit and also attending to the court. We appreciate all the information she is sharing with us i-fans.
There is no need to be offended if you aren’t those fans that support SM. But we are also aware that there are fans who just want TVXQ5, no matter what’s the price, even if JYJ lose the lawsuit…. Because for them TVXQ5 only can exist inside SM.
If you aren’t that kind of fan, then just say it, but don’t go too far to condemn our Fansite or all JYJ’s fans…Not in our own house. Please respect the rules of our blog.
A+++++++ .. thank you admins …. Love yaaaa
Thanks Admin, don’t let anybody condemn this site .
❤ ❤ ❤ JYJ3
She wasn’t condemning.
@babygirladdy
lol, Oh girl, what’s you’re problem? if you don’t like the post then EXIT, JYJ3 doesn’t exist to cater the taste of OT5 fans like you. I know there are a lot of OT5 here who are harmoniously existing with us. Nobody is dragging you to come here, don’t judge this site which we consider as our haven. Look for a place where you belong, Cyberworld is limitless … you’re just making yourself look like a lost soul.
@babygirladdy
@kris
“Nobody is dragging you to come here, don’t judge this site which we consider as our haven. Look for a place where you belong, Cyberworld is limitless …”
Not to do any sort of a negative pile-on here, but just to perhaps amplify in a more explanatory way Kris’ remark, the posters here who love JYJ3 and have been here the longest have seen many other posters come and go over the last few years. Certain patterns have been noted, certain similarities in the come-and-then-leave type of poster. One of the biggies is the tendency to show up and immediately start criticizing the site, finding fault with the way things are done here and suggesting the Admins and regulars change their ways. We have often likened it to going to someone’s home for the first time, walking in the door and immediately starting in criticizing the host for his taste in furnishings. You’d only do something like this if you were pretty certain you didn’t want to ever be invited back. Similarly here, I always tell new posters it’s best to hang back a bit and get the lay of the land, really understand the guidelines of the site and make friends here before doing a lot of fault-finding with the content and the rules here. That way we can all build mutual trust and you can get to know our perspective, which is really rather diverse but which shares certain core beliefs. JYJ3 is an international fansite and no one else is like us, so the reality is this is all we have, as our forum. Probably no wonder then that we tend to be protective of our “home.”
And my comment was deleted… I’m sorry If I said anything wrong :S I was just explaining what ‘betrayed’ means since I’m a English speaker and I know a lot of fans are not (since it’s worldwide). Well, forget it. But what is ‘taste’ when it is just ‘insulting’?
But anyhoo~ Let’s all be friends ^^
hmmm….
I still stand for 5, but I do understand that it’s not gonna happen.
But it’s okay, I’m past the stage of helplessness.
Anyways, I need some clarifications. What will JYJ gain if they win? One of them I understand is breaking free from the slave contract. And also what will SM lose?
PS: 2 More days!!!! Praying for JYJ to win over SM’s asses
@Edede
“What will JYJ gain if they win? One of them I understand is breaking free from the slave contract. And also what will SM lose?”
At this stage of the game, I think it’s down to money – they’ve already won the first half of the suit. I think this part they’ll get back royalties and Damages. I personally harbor a fantasy dream that they will trade some of the money they win for their copyrights to the compositions they wrote during the SM years, but that’s my daydream. But we all don’t have long to wait now.
Some “post” make me so sad. Always the same!. Please stop judging what you do not know. It’s easy to criticize someone without knowing the truth. They made their decisions (both groups), period. We don´t know what really happens between them, and we can not make judgments based on rumors or assumptions. That’s not fair to either of the two groups. I think this is like when a couple divorces, it’s so unfair to say that are separated because only one of the two is responsible of the breaking. I really love dbsk5.!! and my only hope is that they be so happy and succesful, together or not.
i just believe that the problem here was:
1 – TRUE ot5 fans just DON’T support sme.period.
however said that was ot5 there was probably not.
2 – TRUE ot5 fans support all 5.
however, just cuz we love to show jaesuchun or junsu that cassiopeia is there for them since db5k era doesn’t mean that we are not supporting them.
is just that, if we don’t do it, have some “people” that goes all “omg! they lost all fans” or “they r losers, because cassiopei is in sme”.
just see it – smtowners that sat that support homin take cassiopeia as theirs. but cassiopeia is a 5 stars constellation and even without being in the official fanclub u can be a cassiopeia&bigeast.
3 – i would love that jyj stans would stop hating ot5 fans, because the stans always put an end of the past that made jaesuchun what they r today. stans always put such a hate on homin when is totally a sme thing here.
i know that homin/sm stans do the same, but it doesn’t mean that anyone can change that.
4 – ot5 fans now that the 5 being together will be veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery hard, but saying never is really harsh and not nice to talk. having hope doesn’t means being dumb or blind. it means happing another option.
they can be out of sme after the contract ends and they can buy everything like shinhwa did. it’s possible. hard. but possible.
5 – i personally have a hard time seeing homin performances. specially from ot5 songs, i just don’t what them. but, even so, i don’t have them or stop loving them. i even appear to support more 3 than 2 sometimes to some people, but i always defend the friendship of the 5 and say that i hope to see the 5 together as friends, at least, and doing stuffs in public too.
“3 – i would love that jyj stans would stop hating ot5 fans”
Well, the first and least thing you should begin with is to respect JYJ fans by stop calling them stans, OT5 or new fans are both fans.
well…. i think u get me wrong here.
I never talked bad about JYJ F-A-N-S. I talked about JYJ S-T-A-N-S.
> JYJ fans are one thing. they don’t go hard core in ot5 and homin. they normally attack more sme and care more to support the boys than to go after rumors and make a bad image of the fans.
> But, JYJ Stans, they are totally hard core. they don’t do good for the boys image and the fans image. they think that they are making people proud, but they are not. They put homin as sme when sme is LSM and the people that take more than half of the money with them.
besides, i TOTALLY dislike JYJ and Homin(or should i consider them more like into SME) S-T-A-N-S.
if u r not a stans that go after rumors and don’t have a way to show the bad points or a true reason for the bad points to exist, i think i’m not talking at all to you.
To me, stans and saesang are NOT fans. they make the idols have a bad image and they make the fans have a bad image. they don’t go by LOGIC. they go by unfounded facts and rumors and super-biased-hateful minds.
so, please.
before u go talking as if i offended you, could u at least see that i said STAN, not FAN?
i don’t like people accusing me when they don’t pay attention in everything i say.
i may be a Cassiopeia, but i loved rock my hole life and LOVE jrock. the GazettE are my rock gods, and DB5K my pop gods. HOWEVER, i’m a very logic person. if is terrible, i say it. If has a valid evidence, i take it. I can be very annoying in veracity, so don’t take me as a person that let things pass.
if i’m cheated, i ignore for ever.
if my trust is broken, can’t be replaced.
and if i love something, don’t matter how much, i’m still able to think. i don’t let emotions blind me like many people do.
I’m sorry for misunderstanding you, I’ve encountered so many OT5 just bashing YJY fans as stans. I also hope that JYJ fans, OT5 and YJY only fans, stop hating each other; the more fans the better for JYJ, right? As long as an OT5 continues to support JYJ, go to their concerts, and buy their products, I’m cool with her.
I knew JYJ after watching RTP and their “Found you” performance at SBS award but I haven’t fallen to them until I watched numerous DBSK performances and variety shows. I love their music, love JYJ, and to be honest, love Changmin and Yunho in DB5K time. However, it pisses me off that HoMin continue to use the name DBSK for only two of them and re-record old DBSK songs. It degrades the legend DBSK.
I don’t hate HoMin now but I don’t have any respect to them either. As far as I can see, they act as if JYJ don’t exist and they’ve archived everything by themselves. It’s very understandable why some JYJ fans hate HoMin.
ok.
it’s just that many times i see stans acting some ways and when i go there to try to bring some logic., they just go all “i know everything” and “they hate each other” and “u are soo biased to jyj/homin”.
and i don’t do stuffs based on bias, but based in everything that i saw since i startd in may 2009.
i find amazing how much people forget all the stuffs that happened since the lawsuit, all the moments of db5k and,specialy, how much people don’t see the eyes.
the eyes and a litle of the body show so much about the 5.
i agree that homin using tvxq name is NOT what i wanted.
but i don’t doubt that SME was just willing to have the 2 working just if was using the name.
and if we see, dbsk isn’t used more. sme even put as tvxq!
i believe that is SME the one choosing everything, and homin have just 2 chances: or they work as sme wants, or they don’t work at all.
tvxq is a name that bring money, and sme is not going to lose all the money that their products still bring, even during the lawsuit.
i don’t like seeing homin doing old songs too, BUT is not as if they have much a choice.
sme is making they do it all with the memorable songs just to have the newbies associating the songs to 2.
u don’t see such a happiness in their eyes when are this songs, just full concentration.
the re-record thing….
it’s avex doing. i don’t believe that an artists just come some day and say “i want to re-record it”
summer dream is memorable, specially in a-nation.
and let’s not forget that maximum was a db5k song that sme chanced to have just 2, and KYHD was yun’s, but sme did for 2 too.
i don’t like it at all, but tvxq, in a way, just have the NAME remembered because sme is making homin do it.
if u take a look, tvxq barely have people doing their songs. u see people doing snsd, wonder girls, lee hyori…… but how many times people congratz tvxq by doing something like that?
just once with je:a in korea and once in japan with mblaq.
i don’t judge homin because i trust jaesuchun. if jae still miss them and even put a db5k wallpaper in his cel, there is nothing to make me don’t trust him.
jae have many similar firends with yun too, and so far as i can see, there is no awkward feelings there. ayumi is very supportive of the 5, same to koda.
i think that we can’t say the worst of homin or jyj because we know NOTHING. we don’t know how they FEEL. trully.
they have an ability to don’t show it that makes the observation very hard many times.
BUT, isn’t perfect.
i think that, as long as NO ONE says that they hate each other and don’t want to see the other again and talk and have nothing to do with the other, we can’t simply go saying that.
till the day they can trully share their true feeling, we can’t THINK it or SUPPOSE that.
even if i’m good in that, i still have moments that is hard to say.
i do it with everybody around me. i’m not an expert, but i do that since my 10 years and just do well because i live with this people. the 5 guys i don’t live, so i can just go by the eyes and some words and body.
homin DO have their weak moments, just like jyj.
yun, like jae, doesn’t share his feelings and don’t cry in front of min.
when in their dorm, it’s awkward and serious and so not happy. min most of the times is in his dorm.
min even visit a lot super junior dorm. and there he have his happy moments.
they cried in tokyo dome too.
why they accept that? i don’t know.
bad thing is that they have there many people that agrees with sme so no one there is reliable to talk.
they want a worldwide tour, but u think that sme will do? sme didn’t do it for suju, so imagine for homin.
homin is just being used to bring as much money as possible till the very end of the contract.
the same way that i trust jaesuchun feelings and way to bee since they started in 2003, i trust homin, because all 5 passed a lot in their lifes. japan was hard in their friendship and they not just survived that, but became stronger.
so, till the day they say the words LIVE(not written or by rumors or by someone biased), i will give the 5 my trust.
they made me love pop, and i own them it.
if is to love it in the future, will be because the 5 made so.
but, anyway…..
i love them.
just wish the 5 happy and not being nice with others because they must or they own it.
i wish the most their friendship to be able to be public.
and if they can be together as shinhwa one day, i will love it.
ps: the only person that made me lose my trust was BoA. she DO retweeted a thing against junsu. and she DO blocked her mother when her mother said a thing in jyj defence.