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We’re getting down to the wire here, my friends and neighbors…. does anyone have any thoughts on the last week of trial #1 before the verdict is rendered?
My only thought is that these next 5 days can’t go by fast enough!
This too!
ONE MORE DAY TO GO????
Sadly we thought so, but fate has something else is store. But I can wait it out. I’m way too tough to be weak kneed and slack off, which is what those bloodsucking vipers are counting on. Not going to work, so siree!
One day, somewhere along the line, it will be JUST ONE MORE DAY! Hopefully all the necessary parties are still alive and haven’t died of old age when that day dawns!!! JYJ FIGHTING!!!!
“does anyone have any thoughts on the last week of trial #1 before the verdict is rendered?”
As Robert Browning says….let me count the ways.
Oh, countless and meaningless dumb stuff to work the natives into a frenzy! Look for all kinds of nonsense to pop up. As Carnack the Great used to say, “I predict”, the closer the sillier. They won’t be able to help themselves. The big surprise will be if nothing pops up. I mean we are talking SME/cohorts here.
I look for more character assassination attempts and all JYJ favored sites should be on TROLL PATROL. There will be all kinds of efforts made to mess with your minds. Be aware! PLEASE!
I personally would love to see us PLAN A PARTAY!
* Share favorite JYJ stories/antedotes.
* Share favorite JYJ quotes.
* Share favorite JYJ songs/why they mean so much to you.
* Post something to the members of JYJ in celebration of their FREEDOM!
* Share favorite JYJ videos/photos.
* What would you as fan like to see JYJ tackle musically as a group/individual member and why?
* Who would you love to see them collaborate with musically and why?
* What goodies are you indulging in as we party hardy!
* If you have a playlist running while we’re partying, what is on the list?
* What makes you happiest about JJ, YC, and JS finally having their freedom from SME?
Am I forgetting anything? If so, please add to the list. Thank you.
I can’t agree more
@BAFfie
Geez, sis, NOTHING would piss off the other side more than to hear that we were busy planning a big Victory celebration party on JYJ3 . You’re cruel.
Let’s do it.
“Geez, sis, NOTHING would piss off the other side more than to hear that we were busy planning a big Victory celebration party on JYJ3 . You’re cruel.”
There is a huge grin on my face. You think? Hell yeah, let’s do it!!
Happy Birthday Mummy-hen. Sorry I’m a day late
@Sapphire
Hello my little chickadee. Thank you for the wishes. Look at it this way…yesterday was the first day of the new year in my life. So, continued wishes is a good thing.
OMG!!! BAF2, I “heard” it was your birthday today. It also happens to be my mother’s birthday as well. Two wise cancer-signs. I wish you a happy birthday with many more ahead.
Please tell your mom I send my birthday wish for her to have a wonderful day. I hope this new year in her life will bring her health, happiness, and peace.
there’s no news about SM’s arbitration thing, so the court will proceed on July 19?
My guess, if the court was going to grant the petition, they would have done so by now. There would be no reason to wait until the 19th, since that is the date of the final decision. We’ll know soon enough. I really don’t think SME is going to prevail.
frm wat i knw d verdct wil b out on jul19…am i right….
im really hoping n praying that jyj wil prevail.justice be serve…n this wil be a turn around for them in terms of visibility of them 3 together..
july 19 is a sacred n bless day for me(and all islam/muslim brothers n sisters)it wil be d start of fasting(holy month of ramadan).im praying that this day wil also be a day ful of blessing for our jyj..the day that wil start a new chapter for them n for all of us..
INSHAALLAH…
InsyaAllah…AMIN
amiin ya Allah .. please let JYJ win .. amiin
How wonderful! I wish you all the best on this holy holiday. May you and your family be blessed and thank you for keeping JYJ in your thoughts. From my limited understanding you need to see the moon at the end of ramadan right? Or it that something else?
Amin ^_^
(人･ω･)(人･ω･)☆ﾟ+｡*ﾟAMIN *｡+ﾟ☆(･ω･人)(･ω･人)….inshaAllah ukhti…. let’s all pray for our boys…
My prediction: The court will toss out the request for arbitration because even they can’t stand SME’s silliness any longer. They will award JYJ a settlement that is significant but nowhere near what they are owed. But the boys won’t even see a 50won piece because SME will instantly lodge an appeal. It might be kicked out as being groundless, but that’s going to take another year at least.
How will they avoid paying after that? I’m the suspicious sort, so I think it has something to do with all that stock they gave to their artists last March. Don’t ask me how, I haven’t a clue. I’m just your run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist.
If the legal system of SK doesn’t have any teeth to make them pay up on a judicial settlement, then SK should simply close up shop.
Here in the States, assests can be attached, none of that, I don’t have the money nonsense. They have to have assests. They have that damn building, they can sell that!
Besides, at the beginning of the lawsuit there was an equity company that said it was holding some cash reserves for SME (not specifically for the lawsuit, but just to have on hand) and they would have the money to cover any judgment handed down. Now, unless they were lying through their eye teeth – which is entirely possible – this should not be an issue. Granted they don’t want to pay them anything, but you can bet your booty they would be hounding JYJ for the money if JYJ were to lose. So, I’m not buying that BS.
Side note: I thought the artists were required to purchase those shares?
@Butterflies
To my recollection they weren’t required it was..an option..but I guess some fans who don’t like TVXQ (not talking about you..but those fans who do harbor dislike for the group)…since Yunho and Max are third and fourth in shares with Kangta and Boa being 1 and 2..would find it fitting that they directly lost money because of the lawsuit…and a dip in stock prices occurred….nevertheless, I do think Yunho and Max stock portfolio is probably..more diversified than just having SM stock…I’m sure they have a financial advisor…just like JYJ probably has…Nonetheless, I think SM has more than enough money to pay off any settlement..when JYJ wins….
Is a common sense that every company will have to allocate a budget for lawsuit expenses regardless what the outcome is and to get a Board’s prior approval before the commencement of any legal proceeding & is strictly applied to listed company such as SM & private limited company as well. Thus is ridiculous to put JYJ as the scapegoat on the plump of the shares price if SM loss the case. The fluctuation of the share price is due to shareholders lost trust to the integrity of the Management & mismanagement after the truth is to be disclosed to the public,! If “people” blame JYJ on the drop of the share price it just indicate how “shallow” and silly they are + no common sense at all! To me SM as a big company they should have studied the chances of the case but they insisted to proceed with the legal action is because they wanted to buy time to bring JYJ down. They were planning should the case drag long enough JYJ’s fans will loss interest towards JYJ and turn their support to other idol groups. I think this is their initial plan & strategy. For those “people” you have mentioned they should have been informed by LSM on the possibility outcome! Since someone did mention he will use the rest of his life to proof that he has made a right choice so no need to worry too much for them! A responsible and faithful shareholder will not mind to sink together with the company-basic rule to be a loyal shareholder.
@chunniebias
“Since someone did mention he will use the rest of his life to proof that he has made a right choice so no need to worry too much for them! A responsible and faithful shareholder will not mind to sink together with the company-basic rule to be a loyal shareholder.”
you made me lol very very much on that note LOLOLOLOL!
@chunniebias
Agree with your whole comment.
” A responsible and faithful shareholder will not mind to sink together with the company-basic rule to be a loyal shareholder.”
Ye’s you’re right, for better or for worst, since they are family anyway.
@Daisy
It’s good to note you’re so knowledgeable about SM and it’s idols’ stocks, feeding us the exact figures, and defending SM from selling their building. Oh, that’s sad they won’t going to sell their building to pay JYJ. I know it’s bad to be amused for others downfall but for SM’s case I want an excuse (and I think @BAF has an extra bottle of champagne for that and her VE sisters are preparing some dips for the chips for a celebratory party).
But if your figures are accurate, then JYJ Fans has a reason to celebrate too for we’ll expect that JYJ will received a lump sum, not installments . Anyway thanks for the info, keeping a close relationship with SM and it’s idols and at the same with JYJ may be advantageous sometimes.
About the building….could it be a protected asset? I know this is a bit of a stretch but my parents acquired a house a few months ago. They were asked to sign a document (by their lawyer) stating that if they are ever sued for some reason (automobile accident, compensation etc. etc.) that the person suing them will not be able to make them sell the house in order to compensate the charges. Could SME have a similar thing going on? I’m not a sharp razor with these things so I’m curious. If that is indeed the case then maybe this “rainy day” fund SME *supposedly* has will have to compensate JYJ for all damages done though we all know the damages stretch far more than the court will ask….
@Chunniebias
When I made my comments…I never blamed JYJ for any subsequent decline in SM stock prices..(when the three..win their lawsuit)….the value of SM stock could go down or not….I don’t really know..but best guess it probably will…to some degree. Usually when a large company is involved in a controversial lawsuit..and that company loses..the value of the stock will go down..in no way was I putting the blame for any dip in the stock prices on JYJ…the lost of the lawsuit however..may result in the dip (and the lost of confidence in the company..as you mentioned would be a cause for the prices to fall…as well).
I own stock and have lost money..in the stock market but I’m not broke..with any investment it is risky..you just have to be careful. The one thing that is good about buying stock..is that you can sell it..if you think holding it maybe to risky…if Yunho and Max feel its costly to own the stock..they can each sell their 680 shares (valued at 20,000 dollars each) or part of it.
Nevertheless, if Yunho and Max don’t sell their shares in time, before the fluctuating of the share prices and then sale… they will lose a part of their investment….it will be a lost…but I’m sure its not their entire life savings. There is no doubt SM Entertainment makes a lot of money…Girls Generation’s Yoona was reported to have made 3.5 million dollars USD (SM obviously gets a cut..for being her agency) in the first six months of 2012 for her solo activities.
As fans we shouldn’t worry about SM Entertainment having enough money to pay JYJ…because they obviously have enough money….with all this talk about money.. Does anyone know how much JYJ is asking for?…I only say this because people..are mentioning SM Entertainment having to sell their building..in order to pay them…SM profits were 40.59 million USD during the first six months of 2011…and Girls Generation profits supposely exceeded 70 million USD in three years..with all the merchandise selling…the TVXQ 2012 Tone tour profits of 90,000 million USD…I don’t understand how they don’t have enough money…to pay JYJ for all those years of hard work.
Furthermore, SM artist profits for 2011 according to Financial Supervisory Service Data Analysis, Retrieval and Transfer System, Shinee made 4.9 million USD, TVXQ made 10.4 million USD, Girls Generation 19.4 million USD, Super Junior 12.3 million USD, and FX 3.2 million USD.
I just can’t understand …this talk about SM not having enough money to pay JYJ their rightful money….and having to result in selling a building…that could consequently lead SM Entertainment to file for bankruptcy (not sure about the laws in Korea) but in America filing bankruptcy will protect assets for a while…dependent upon which chapter you file….and could extend the time SM has to pay. I want JYJ to be paid now..and have the peace of mind…that them and their future families will be taken care of financially
(it’s supposed to be here)
@Daisy
It’s good to note you’re so knowledgeable about SM and it’s idols’ stocks, feeding us the exact figures, and defending SM from selling their building. Oh, that’s sad they won’t going to sell their building to pay JYJ. I know it’s bad to be amused for others downfall but for SM’s case I want an excuse (and I think @BAF has an extra bottle of champagne for that and her VE sisters are preparing some dips for the chips for a celebratory party).
But if your figures are accurate, then JYJ Fans has a reason to celebrate too for we’ll expect that JYJ will received a lump sum, not installments . Anyway thanks for the info, keeping a close relationship with SM and it’s idols and at the same with JYJ may be advantageous sometimes.
@Daisy
I’m not sure where the reporting source you are quoting is getting it’s figures from. Obviously with some of the details of the various activities of the artists this is an indication it may not be a regulatory source. The link I’m providing is the latest up-to-date figures that are reported to the SEC. What the various figures indicate is that SME is solvent, but not to the degree you are stating. Please don’t forget expenses and liabilities when quoting. People can take a look and make their own conclusions. In 2011 SME was bleeding like a stuck pig. The first half of 2011 was reported here on JYJ3 and it was clear, they were taking a hit because TVXQ was no longer 5. Information reported to the SEC has to be held up to scrutiny because of the legal responsibility to shareholders. No where on the balance sheets of the financials does it show that kind of revenue or profit for 2011 YTE.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=041510:KS&dataset=incomeStatement&period=A¤cy=US%20Dollar
One thing I would like to ask you about…the figures you are quoting regarding stocks for HoMin, are they for each one or is the total? My understanding as far as BoA’s stocks are concerned, even her’s are not that high. Are you sure of your source? Could you please provide a link for your source of information?
And one cautionary point about claiming that HoMin can sell their stock if they are not happy with the returns. There could very well be a clause that none of the artists are allowed to sell their stock. This is exactly what the management told the employees of Enron. Those poor people lost EVERYTHING! Guess who were busy unloading theirs while they smiled in the faces of those employees?
I was using the analogy of selling the building to say that crying poor is not going to work here. As I mentioned earlier. There is a financail company that claimed it was holding SME’s cash reserves and there would be enough for any settlement. It’s just that anyone who puts faith in SME doing the right thing by doing the right thing, should think about taking the word of a nest of bloodsucking vipers.
@Daisy
About that “TVXQ 2012 Tone tour profits of 90,000 million USD”, I read that everywhere. Can you please tell us if that is net or gross?.How much expenses should be deducted from that, from then on, how much share will go to Avex, SM japan, SM Head Office then down to 2vxq. I think people or even the press should be cautious bragging huge amount of money when they have no idea how the balance sheets look like. Haven’t we learned from our beloved TVXQ5 past?
@kris
” I think people or even the press should be cautious bragging huge amount of money when they have no idea how the balance sheets look like. Haven’t we learned from our beloved TVXQ5 past?”
I know I have. The trickle down theory here is as full of holes today as it was in Ronald Reagan’s time. SM acts aren’t paid ANYTHING for “promotions.” Their costs of doing business are astronomical. There is seldom much of a “net” out of which to pay royalties. That’s why and how JYJ’s whole journey to be free of SM started!
Of course, Daisy’s results can and always do differ.
@Daisy
I don’t want it to appear as if I’m piling up on you, but something you stated – not sure where you got the quote from – just does not ring true. All kinds of bells were going off for me.
“if Yunho and Max feel its costly to own the stock..they can each sell their 680 shares (valued at 20,000 dollars each) or part of it.”
This statement could very well be a case of misunderstanding English syntax…there is no way those shares are worth $20,000 USD each. Are you saying the total shares each of them has – 680 is worth a total of $20,000 USD? That would make more sense. If I use the formula below, that would be 680 shares x $40.74 (7/15/12) = $27,703.20. Because if you are stating EACH share of 680 is worth $20K, that comes to $13M+ USD. Hmmm, I don’t think so. If this is the case, Warren Buffet’s Berkhire Hathaway should hear about this. Their stock in 2011 was worth $115K+/share. There is a decided difference between being SME and Berkshire Hathaway. LSM is no Warren Buffet.
I went back to the Bloomberg reporting…SME’s stock per share ended the trading day. 7/15/12 at 47,100 KRW. One US dollar for the day was worth – 1,156.069 KRW. Dividing that into 47,100 gives you $40.74/share in USD.
I’m trusting this is what you were attempting to say. If I’m wrong, please correct me. In any case, what is important here, SME is not being that damn generous no matter how you dice and slice it. It simply is not in their nature. If the figure you quoted about the profit from the Japanese tour is correct, $90M, and all HoMin are getting for that hardwork is $20K+ worth of stock. Oh my.
@Eliza
“How will they avoid paying after that? I’m the suspicious sort, so I think it has something to do with all that stock they gave to their artists last March. Don’t ask me how, I haven’t a clue. I’m just your run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist. ”
Oh, you have a truly diabolical conspiracy theorist’s mind, girlfriend!
My understanding of the stock “gift” to SM’s acts awhile back was that it was IN LIEU of payment of royalties due. Of course they could not ~decline~ the gift and take the money instead because let’s face it, the whole thing smacked of a P.R spectacle to show the public how well SM treats their artists and SM does not allow its employees to voice anything other than glowing praise for SM, under threat of…. who knows? Who knows what would happen to a singer who spoke up? Nothing good, I can tell you.
So now, SM acts are stockholders. So if there is a huge award and judgement given to JYJ and the stock plummets in value, what are we liable to read from our SM apologist friends, one wonders? “Greedy JYJ have made paupers of their brothers and sisters left behind at SM!!” or something of the like, I’m sure. So yes, full marks to SM for yet another truly low down dirty trick to leave their employees holding the bag in case SM tanks. Real nice. Of course, it’s only my theory. See, I’m much worse than you, Eliza. lol
LOL! This conversation is pure gold! Yes it is very likely that SME did this to cover their backs and if it also gives them another way of screwing over JYJ then they’ll happily do it.
@lili @Eliza
Ok, let’s say that is the game plan. Play JYJ as perpetrators of hardship for those still at SME. The only ones who whine their hineys off (like that one?) are just going to have to whine. Being attached to a company that screws you for fun is your dumb luck!
IN LIEU of…oh well, there you go! They are still paying for the stock. They just don’t get paid. Figures. No risk for LSM/SME at all. They pass on loses to those who least can afford them. I’m willing to bet artist holdings no matter who they are, are not in the same ballpark as the heavy hitter stockholders.
@retrokim
Even if the building is a protected asset, they must have some insurance that covers lawsuits. Regardless of where the money comes from, they will eventually have to pay up. I just hope they use the award and go after those copyrights and royalties. That is where the money is! I want them to get every copper cent SME stole from them.
I like where this is going.
@Kris
I wasn’t defending anyone…If what has been reported of SM profits…than JYJ shouldn’t have to wait on a sell of a building to get the the money that they rightfully earned…People were talking about SM having to sell a building and I was only stating that SM should have enough money to pay JYJ..thats all..it wasn’t my intention to defend SM but to provide information…on why JYJ wouldn’t have to wait on SM building being sold..SM has the money now.
@Daisy
lol, and you take it literally! It’s just the same as the mom telling her son to break a leg, will the son break his leg?
@butterflies
..Yunho has 680 and Max has 680….and …680 of SM shares are worth 20,000..
@butterflies
I should have reworded that sentence…because it does sound like I said each share was worth 20,000….but I didn’t get a chance to respond to you..when you asked what I meant..because you had already answered the question…you had asked me. As for Yunho and Max profits from their tour…I have no idea what they earned solely from the tour (excluding expenses)…until some Korean newspaper makes it public …I’m sure their profits besides share profits…include a profit from their tour..along with other earnings.
I hope..I didn’t offend anyone..when I gathered information about the profit SM has made..over the years…I thought SM selling a building..that may or may not take time to sell…for JYJ to get the money they deserve…should be a last resort..that could consequently lead to SM filing bankruptcy (more litigation and delays)…..if they are reporting these types of earnings..than there is no need to sell a building…that could take a while to sell…or undersell…
As for the profits of the artist..I stated I didn’t say those five artist for SM…are earning that much.. like with a film if the movie makes a profit of 200 million, doesn’t mean the actress gets that much…everyone involved has to be compensated….I was stating how much each group made for the company…not how much the groups themselves took home..(I really thought I was being reassuring to some fans who may think SM…was without the proper funds to pay JYJ…since some were talking about selling buildings..)
@Daisy
” As for Yunho and Max profits from their tour…I have no idea what they earned solely from the tour (excluding expenses)…until some Korean newspaper makes it public …I’m sure their profits besides share profits…include a profit from their tour..along with other earnings.”
Except your several posts implied a far more outrageous assertion than Homin’s apocryphal “portfolio of stocks” and your in depth understanding of the robust health of SM’s bottom line. And that is that SM COMPENSATES ITS ACTS fairly, which every single person who has spent ANY time researching the background of this lawsuit knows perfectly well is NOT the case.
Going on and on about the revenues of the tour is all well and good. What about SM’s longstanding policy not to pay anything to its acts for “promotional activities – to pocket all of that revenue 100%??
Why are we here? What are we all doing here on JYJ3, waiting for this lawsuit to be settled?? It’s because SM cheats its acts of their rightful share of royalties, or at least a great part of this lawsuit was initiated because that was the case. How did you manage to miss that?
SPOT ON !
“Why are JYJ`s and SM`s exhibitions are so different? One is solely dedicated to giving something back to their loving fans who have stood by their side during the darkest and testing times while the other`s only purpose is to exaggerate its superficial accomplishments in the entertainment industry that have built itself on slave contracts and inhumane treatments of its artists.
(dadada (@inheaven_wJYJ)
Posted Saturday 14th July 2012 )
It’s always interesting to know and observe one’s adversaries actions.
and yeeah .. my TL is full of mocking to SM .. but i love that anyway ..hehheee …
@lilibaiyu
@Daisy
” As for Yunho and Max profits from their tour…I have no idea what they earned solely from the tour (excluding expenses)…until some Korean newspaper makes it public …I’m sure their profits besides share profits…include a profit from their tour..along with other earnings.”
Except your several posts implied a far more outrageous assertion than Homin’s apocryphal “portfolio of stocks” and your in depth understanding of the robust health of SM’s bottom line. And that is that SM COMPENSATES ITS ACTS fairly, which every single person who has spent ANY time researching the background of this lawsuit knows perfectly well is NOT the case.
Going on and on about the revenues of the tour is all well and good. What about SM’s longstanding policy not to pay anything to its acts for “promotional activities – to pocket all of that revenue 100%??
Why are we here? What are we all doing here on JYJ3, waiting for this lawsuit to be settled?? It’s because SM cheats its acts of their rightful share of royalties, or at least a great part of this lawsuit was initiated because that was the case. How did you manage to miss that?
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This sentence I wrote “if Yunho and Max feel its costly to own the stock..they can each sell their 680 shares (valued at 20,000 dollars each) or part of it” should have been reworded…because it does sound like..I said each share is worth 20,000 each…its my fault for the misunderstanding. My post about SM profit…really had nothing to do with…how much the actual artist took home…it was about how much money they earned for the company..that would and indeed compensate JYJ for all those years of hard work..they endured…
As for compensation of SM acts (I can’t say..what they profited after expenses…because I don’t know. I can only report what their groups have earned for the company) but I do believe Yunho and Max are being paid..to their liking…and on the chance their being paid poorly..I can’t really do nothing about it…if their satisfied with how their paid….what can I do?
If Yunho and Max don’t like to make a lot of money or get the money they deserve..I can’t control that..its their decision…their grown men…who supposedly studied entertainment business in college and Yunho is suppose to be an avid reader of the news business section…if all that doesn’t educate them on how they should be paid by SM…. What can I do about it?..people are allowed to make their own choices..
I love your last paragraph and all of its insinuations <3 even though I failed to see how it fits into the whole conversation D:
Anyway, I just wanted to say that you don't need to reassure anyone about SM being able to pay what they owe to JYJ without having to literally 'sell their buildings'. because, for Heaven's sake, we all know it's just a hyperbole. Geez.
@Daisy
The ODP is getting long with your mentions about those 2 loyal, devoted, great SM sons, who cares what they study in college and and if they’re avid reader of news business section and they don’t like to make a lot of money …. can we just talk how awesome JYJ boys are ….
“who supposedly studied entertainment business in college and Yunho is suppose to be an avid reader of the news business section”
LOL! That is another SME legend if I have ever heard of one. There was also the one where Yunho spent a whole day at an orphanage helping around and SME had NO IDEA he was there……cute….if it weren’t for the buttload of pictures they took of Yunho that looked so posed. I don’t say this because I think that Yunho didn’t do this from his heart, I’m pretty sure he did, but rather how quick SME takes advantage and how stupidly cassies believe them.
@Daisy
I don’t know if I should admire your insistence at replying to everyone, trying to explain your comments when in fact you don’t really explain anything but running your arguments in circles. You keep talking about TV2XQ and their choices and how you can’t do anything about it. Okay, we get it, but who cares? We’re not interested in talking about them here. They chose to stay in SME, so they have to take whichever consequences, good or bad, come from their decisions. That’s it, case closed. Next! Also, are you secretly proud of SME’s well-being? You comment a lot, but I still don’t get your points or where you stand. You’re very ambiguous, lady. Better be transparent and stand firm for what you say, because I’m very unmotivated to even have a discussion with you.
anybody here have watched CjesJYJ new video about JYJ expo?? i’m dying of jealousy …..
@Niagon
“I love your last paragraph and all of its insinuations <3 even though I failed to see how it fits into the whole conversation D:"
What insinuations?…Yunho and Max are allowed to make their own choices…I can't do anything about them failing to see…if their not being paid right or not..I must not be expressing myself well …enough to cause this much misconstruation…
and I fault myself if my words aren't making any sense…and if you say..no one here needs me to reassure them about SM earnings…than that is fine..As a fan, I only wanted to make sure JYJ for myself and others..who may have read others post about the sell of a building…in order to gain profit to pay JYJ deservingly…to find out what they made..and tell others JYJ doesn't have to wait on the sell of a building to get paid…because it could lead to SM filing bankruptcy and
more delays..when they can have their money now..
Maybe if we were talking face to face…it wouldn't sound the way it sounds…when you read it on the internet…if that makes sense I guess..
@Niagon
I guess your talking about me mentioning…them going to college and stuff…in this case…if indeed they are satisfied with low pay..as I said before they are probably being paid to their liking ( not what you and I would prefer to be paid…if we were celebrities)… in this case….they probably have a lot of book smarts but NO common sense.
@Niagon
I just want to also say..I wasn’t using their education or Yunho being interested in business news…as some kind of insinuation that…JYJ is somehow wrong because if their that educated than..they must have been paid right…what I meant by that paragraph about Yunho and Max being educated is that…if they have all of this education and they advidly read business news….My point was…if they have access to ALL this knowledge…and they still can’t see their not being paid right…than what can I do…about it..its their choice.
Angie
July 16, 2012
@Daisy
I don’t know if I should admire your insistence at replying to everyone, trying to explain your comments when in fact you don’t really explain anything but running your arguments in circles. You keep talking about TV2XQ and their choices and how you can’t do anything about it. Okay, we get it, but who cares? We’re not interested in talking about them here. They chose to stay in SME, so they have to take whichever consequences, good or bad, come from their decisions. That’s it, case closed. Next! Also, are you secretly proud of SME’s well-being? You comment a lot, but I still don’t get your points or where you stand. You’re very ambiguous, lady. Better be transparent and stand firm for what you say, because I’m very unmotivated to even have a discussion with you.
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I would reply back and explain to you my comments…but you said you didn’t get my points or where I stand……so why bother if me and you aren’t getting each other…my words will just be twisted and turned and used against me again..like I’m against JYJ and nothing could be further from the truth….peace
I´ve seen on twitter japanese fans talking about an article about JYJ (´fans) in AERA magazine. They don ´t seem pleased, but auntie google isn´t helpful in translating. So – does anybody know what is the article about?
OK, here is a scan. Could anybody read it and make a quick resume? Is it bad and how bad for jyj?
http://koreanfreakx.tumblr.com/post/27187049116/scans-mag-jyj-in-aera-credit-as-tagged-view
lol. i was so distracted by the background gifs that i forgot to even look at the article b4 i close it xD *sorryforthisunnecessarycomment* i’m curious too. hopefully someone can translate.
cmiiw, but the scan here is asahi shinbun weekly article written by aera. regarding the content, you can google it or search on this site (jyj3), it’s indeed spark controversies back then.
sorry, it’s not written by aera… actually idk what the heck is the relation between aera and asahi shinbun, kke. but i’m pretty sure this scan is from the asahi shinbun article back then…
If this is an old one, I´ll continue to look for a scan/translation of the new article.
understand …i have see all of rules and i will following and thank you remain ^^
Well Hi there everybody =)) ..
I’ve just came from a TVXQ OT5 site which I follow too & there was a post about a news-program showing the heartbreaking familial history of JJ oppa ..
Did anyone see that ?
I felt soo SAD & pissed off at the same time ! ..
Is this news program recent? Either way it isn’t any of their business to be snooping in JJ’s family matters. Jaejoong is a grown man and he knew about this years ago when he was much more impressionable and quite young. If in all of this time he has not brought up his family then it is a safe bet that he wouldn’t like the news re-iterating a closed chapter in his life. Why can’t people respect these young men? I just can’t get over how quick they are in exploiting someone’s pain for some cheap ratings but when it comes to investigating SME and the million other things wrong in S. Korea they take their sweet time. They make me sick, just like the media in the U.S.
This totally reminds me of their sick actions when Yoochun’s father passed away.
@retrokim
I also wondered like most of you..why that news channel decided to air a story about his adoption again? Putting a entire famiy in the media and having viewers…pry into their personal matters..is totally wrong.
Jaejoong’s mom did a very selfless act to give her child up for adoption..so that he could have a better life……. because she was struggling..it took great courage and tremendous strength for her to do so…it had to be one of the hardest decisions..she had to make in her life..and I agree with you…on how the Korean media..handled Yoochun’s dad passing..totally disgusting…
On a separate note….(cause BAF2′s party idea is too good for me to compete with) I’d like to discuss KJJ’s acting. *cue the music*
Now…In my opinion I think his problem is the same as when he sings…..he holds back….which in fact is the correct response because over-acting is not only embarrassing it is also reminiscent of the camera-mugging that takes place when shooting a music video which is NOT what people want to see. In fact over-acting is a common malady in idol-actors and I’m sure everyone here has seen an example. I think his cautiousness indicates that he has some sense of the difference between shooting a music video and the respected art of acting IF done RIGHT!!!!
He does in fact do wonderfully well in some scenes; when he cried for YoungHwi after he fell off a cliff and when he played around with YoungRae and YoungHwi at the marketplace. He does have potential. He can act but then he quickly regresses back to the overly-cautious, somewhat wooden acting. In part it is the role that he plays. KKT is not a happy man and he has serious issues in his life but I still think that in some scenes Jaejoong still can’t quite differentiate seriousness from expressionless. They’re NOT the same!!!! I think that is the problem. If he can little by little infuse some emotion in his face (NOT his eyes which are his secret weapon!) then he will truly be at a great place. His eyes are a separate matter. He has a gift for showing emotion through his eyes but that isn’t enough. His entire facial expression has to agree as well.
I have found that the actors who truly give their all don’t stop growing. Just like singing….you use it or you lose it. They also have to challenge themselves through the roles they take because if they don’t then they risk playing the same kind of character over and over again or worse….regressing…which I think is the problem with Park Min Young and Song Seung Hyun. I just truly hope that Jaejoong takes all the time he can to learn from Lee Beom Soo and not SSH….
@retrokim
You bring up a good point about the difference between seriousness and expressionless. Not to dismiss the critique, I think it is important to remember this is his first sageak (sp) and a different genre from which JJ is familiar.
Yoochun lucked out in that his first attempt at historical drama was a good one. Yes there might have been a weak point here and there. But for the most part SKKS was an excellent production. I submit Dr. Jin is not in the same class as SKKS. This has nothing to do with JJ. The entire prodution is lacking. I could write an essay on what I think is wrong about this production. I wish this weren’t the case, but sadly it is. I will say this, the characters that have the best foundations are JJ’s, KBS’s, and the one for the actor who plays YR’s brother, and the actress playing the gisaeng. They are the ones carrying the weight. Granted others may have a different take on the drama, but these are my thoughts on the production. This is why I have to wait for it to end and watch it in one sweep. The stop and go was making me itch in frustration. I had to do the same thing with Miss Ripley. I found myself enjoying it much better when I did that.
Also don’t forget, the director is responsible for the editing. So if most of the focus on JJ is his eyes/face, that is beyond his control. He is going to concentrate on the areas that he knows are going to be featured on film. He’s also getting direction from the director about what the scene(s) is to convey.
But in defense of what an actor chooses to display on his face. Some of the best actors in Hollywood were those who did minimal things with their faces…Orson Wells, Gary Cooper, Marlon Brando, Humphrey Bogart, etc. There are others I could name, but hopefully you get where I’m coming from. The main thing is these actors were given quality scripts/films to work with. They knew what to do with them.
Given the youth and level of experience, I have great hopes for JJ as well as the other two members of JYJ. JJ is going to develop the necessary skills needed. This is how he approaches everything he does. But even when one doesn’t always hit it out of the park with a new endeavor, this too can be a learning experience. Helps keep you grounded.
When one thinks about all that he and the others members went through while under the hold of SME, they were obviously displaying some of the best acting anyone could portray. They put the best faces forward they could. Who knew? Now when you see their faces, you see so much more.
I expect JJ will be fine as each project comes along. Growth is seen each of YC and JS’s projects. Look at how much the three of them have grown since leaving SME. They are doing this on their own. I expect to see Jaejoong ratchet it up when his next project comes along.
Goody!!!! A conversation!
I see improvement. The quite frankly ~eh acting he did in Hard to Say I Love You is not what I saw in PTB and not what I see in Dr. Jin. He improves as he goes along. Some people have a problem with that…..I laugh in their face…..so that is that.
I also don’t doubt that he will continue to get better. I also know that the script and the editing are out of his hands. However he does hold back and I know I’m not imagining that. Marlon Brando…..I loved that man so freaking much! When he gave a stare or a knowing look he didn’t need to contort his face in the ridiculous manner SSH does but he did know how much expression to give. Not too much not too little. I find that JJ struggles with that and it is fairy normal. He did not attend an acting school like LBS and his schedule seems to be hellish. I think the solution is fairly simple….more screen time and advice from a veteran actor like LBS. I don’t care anymore for the can’t-make-up-his-mind Jin Hyuk or that idiot YoungRae.
Oh, there’s definitely been improvement. From his first role in HP, HTSILY, PTB, to DJ, Jae is putting forth a good effort. The holding back, I think this comes from the fact that as you say, he’s not from an acting school. He knows, as each one in the group undertands, they are going to be held to a different standard. Yes, he and YC had coaching, but studies, no. Being reticent, cautious is not a bad thing. He’s feeling his way. Each one of his characters has been different. This is good.
Like I said, I stopped watching after ep. 4, and decided to wait until the entire drama ends. I’ve looked at the stills and stayed away from further previews, only reading the recaps on DB. It is going to be interesting to see what he does with the character in The Jackal is Coming. With a good script, direction, editing and good support from his fellow castmates, he should be fine.
“Each one of his characters has been different. This is good.”
I hope it stays that way. I know some fans whine that he doesn’t get the girl but since when is acting about that? It is just so …blasé. Romance is quite frankly boring in k-dramas because it is almost always the same crap. There is nothing wrong with love and romance but when it starts following a formula….you know it isn’t worth much time. When you find yourself predicting what will happen next and then being proven right….you know it is bad. If that is what it means to “get the girl” then I hope JJ doesn’t fall to that pressure. I know that all actors have to appear in certain mainstream dramas in order to stay in the public eye but their most memorable dramas are hardly ever those.
The Jackal is Coming…..I can’t wait. Jaejoong fighting! JiHyo fighting!
in all of the acting he did I fond that he hoes express emotion in a good way ( and keeps improving ) except for happens .
he seems awkward with happy scenes .
lol!
“I can’t stand being happy! I must suffer!!!!!”
Yeah he does not seem to want to smile much. I think that is probably due to the nature of the characters he has so far played. None of them are happy go lucky people but he will learn that there is nothing wrong with introducing some happiness to these characters. Keeps it from getting depressing or too serious. BTW, are you happy that they don’t play that ridiculous sad violin music for him like they do for YoungRae? GEEZ, I think the writers and the director freaking hate PMY or something.
I hate that sad violin and I’m butthurt that they used JJ’s song in that lame breast exam scene… how dare they ! >:(
I was confused about that too. I’m sure the writers remember the unrequited love so why play KKT’s theme song when this is clearly a scene between HYR and Dr. Jin? I find that as BAF2 says, the editor and director have put an already “out there” script into even more unintended ridiculousness. It’s also the little things……
Jaejoong was quite self-conscious in PTB, which didn’t fit with the character, but he is definitely improving with every role that he does. I think he’s a perfectionist, & he’s going to keep on working on acting until he nails it
If he works on his shyness & self-consciousness, more than anything else I think that will really see his acting improve. As for actors playing the same type of character over & over again, that can be the case for an actor who’s made their mark in a particular role or genre, aka Anthony Perkins in Psycho, & casting directors, & the public in general, can’t see them in any other role. So to keep working, they have to take what is offered, whether the role gives them scope for growth & challenges or not. I love film & frankly get quite annoyed & baffled when casting directors in particular type-cast a talented actor/actress & can’t envisage them playing anything else – that’s their job for freak’s sake!
you ! how dare you be a lurker these past days ? *grabs*
@meme & JYJ
Sorry… *blushes penitently* *hugs*
@Sapphire
Good point about casting directors, but I wonder how much say do casting directors have over the choice of the lead actors in a project. Afterall, the bottom line is the bottom line. The project needs to draw in a huge viewership to be a success. I seriously doubt if a casting director chooses George Clooney or Denzel Washington.
But given the nature of kdrama, I think there is a strong tendency to choose actors who have a feel for a certain type of genre. I really think there are some actors who do well only in historical dramas and if you take them out, they are like fish out of water.
For me, I think the guys are able to handle a wide spectrum of characters for the very reason of their music careers. They have performed songs in multiple music genres. Along with the singing they have to portray emotions to fit the song. I think this gives them the edge. The degree of their success had as much to do with stage presence as it did with singing ability. If you take a look at their videos, you will see what I mean. There was already talent there. I’m reminded of the scenes when they goofed up and made mistakes and kept right on going. Real pros do that, they don’t let a stumble throw them off course.
@Sapphire
If he works on his shyness & self-consciousness, more than anything else I think that will really see his acting improve. ”
I immediately thought of a favorite actor of mine Song Il Guk when I read the above line. He was painfully shy and withdrawn when he did his early roles. I remember seeing a live audience promo show for “Jumong” where he was blushing, mumbling and responding in only a word or two in a soft voice anytime anyone asked him anything. Yet when he got in front of the cameras, he became the ageless hero and warrior Jumong, a great and valiant king in every way. I think Jaejoong too will grow into being a fine actor in time. He WANTS it and we all know what tends to happen when Jaejoong goes after something he wants.
If anything I think he is still suffering from “Model’s Disease” – where he is too self conscious of how he looks and if he looks good. (He’s spent all of his working life so far preoccupied with how he looks so it’s kind of natural for him to still be this way.) But worrying if the angle he’s being shot at is good for his features splits his concentration and takes him out of the character he is playing for that moment. I think that is his main problem now as an actor. He will learn and change. Personally, I think he’s a natural and as I said, he WANTS this.
@lilibaiyu & @Mummy-hen
Hey ^__^ *huggles you* I agree with you about what you called the Model’s Disease. I remember reading a quote from Michelle Pfeiffer, one of the all time great beauties, imo anyway! She said she was paranoid about travelling & going anywhere publicly cause of the fear that people would be unfavorably comparing her in real life to how she looks made up on film & in magazines. With Jaejoong, I’ve just been checking out the pics from their fan expo, & even with disheveled bed head hair & tired, puffy eyebags, he is still indescribably hot, sexy, gorgeous – there are no words really! It says a lot about his personality & his talent, that those qualities rise to the surface & he isn’t seen as just THAT FACE. & that it is his personality is what a lot of fans, you & me included, really love, respect & cherish the most about him
Mummy-hen, can I just cough up my lungs & die in your lap?!! & I’ll hand my throat over to you as well for that matter…
Just wondering if anyone here watches kdrama Ghost. I think this is one hella great detective story. If u haven’t watched that drama, I suggest u start now. You’ll never regret it. It’s my favorite sbs drama of 2012 after rooftop prince. Heres a link to the first episode. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr8eqv_ghost-e01-subbed-clip1_shortfilms
I have heard good things about it but I’m waiting until it wraps to start watching it.
Is anyone else having problems with their comments not posting, or is it just me?
I’m not having posting problems per se right now, but have experienced this in the past. I think WP is going through one of it’s hiccup stages. I’m finding videos are collapsing into small blocks after being regular size. We just have to remain on top of our games here with WP.
I really like the new layout. Having missed about a month or so, it’s nice & easy to go back & catch up. & the comments box doesn’t eat my post after the first sentence anymore!! Yay!
~ninja hugs you so those nasty sick germs don’t have time to notice me~
now DRINK YOUR BOVRIL! MWAHAHAHAH!
@springbok7
I was going to tell you to get to work, but then I remembered, it’s only Sunday morning at your place, isn’t it! Don’t scold me, I had to have one last perve, ahem glimpse, of Jaejoong, before going to bed
does everyone read the news about Junsu’ upcoming world tour to the Americas? does that mean that there will be no JYJ album/tour coming before the end of this year?
*did
I guess it depends on their schedules. We don’t know yet how long Junsu will be touring and what Yoochun and Jaejoong have planned for this fall. I think it’s totally possible for them to still release an album late fall or winter but that’s just my opinion. If that is the case, I would assume the next JYJ tour would be next year.
hello, jyj family. sorry to intrude, anybody happen to come across upon any news about yuchun. he is being so quiet. i’m missssssing him very much
Don’t worry, he’s composing or having vocal training right now to get ready for the next JYJ album, I’m sure
I just wanna say,
Initially, many Jaeharems were a little sad that Jae didn’t choose a drama where he was the main lead.
But selecting Kim Kyung Tak as the character to take on, speaks volume of how determined Jae is, to grasp what “acting” really is. He could have gotten an easier role but he did not.
He took his chance and tried to learn and absorb as much as possible.
Kim Kyung Tak will be his breakthrough in the acting world and no one can say he’s not doing a great job!
To this I say, Kim Jae Joong, the actor, Fighting!!!
And your post is confirmed with a lot news about Jae’s acting, example is one from Newsen via Nate + TV Report
(http://princejj.com/2012/07/16/news-spoiler-120716-dr-jin-kim-jaejoong-broke-the-prejudice-about-idols-mournful-acting-got-praised/)
JYJ Kim Jaejoong who plays this Kim Kyungtak has surprisingly made the ‘idol’ tag fade away and adapted himself to the drama. It is true that, in the meantime, Kim Jaejoong wasn’t properly evaluated because of the preconception about ‘idol-turn-actors’. However, he has improved from day to day and perfectly controlled the Kim Kyungtak character. With this, Kim Jaejoong is fully showing his presence in the drama and tightening his position as an actor.
After the broadcast, the viewers have left excited reaction about Kim Jaejoong’s acting, such as, “Today Kim Jaejoong’s acting is the best!” “His acting made me get goose bumps.” “Kim Kyungtak character is completely attractive.” “Kim Jaejoong’s emotional acting is masterpiece!” “I didn’t know that Kim Jaejoong’s acting was this good.”
To this, I join you in saying : Kim Jae Joong, the actor, Fighting!!!
@shadow @kris
I join the both of you too and……
To this, I join you in saying : Kim Jae Joong, the actor, Fighting!!!
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
@kris
“(http://princejj.com/2012/07/16/news-spoiler-120716-dr-jin-kim-jaejoong-broke-the-prejudice-about-idols-mournful-acting-got-praised/)”
OMG, I just LOVE this! Thanks so much, Kris, for posting it. This made my day!
He was AMAZING!!!!!
One of the consequences of Jaejoong taking the role of Kim Kyung Tak, is that his character does not get to be compared with one in the other versions of Dr. Jin. So, for better or worse, no one can say the portrayal is not up to snuff.
This character did not exist before. Therefore, JJ got to define the character for himself. It is a shame that the drama itself as a whole is not up to the level it should be given all the hype. But standing out in a crowd so to speak is a plus as well.
I’m looking forward now to it ending so I can go and watch it as whole presentation. I hate the fact that the drama is lacking in so many ways, but that cannot be helped. Kim Jaejoong, keep up the good work. This no one can take away from you!
*hugs*
I finally got to watch episode 16. I only watch once the translations are complete….AMAZING!!!!
He really did amazing. I was just so…touched by him especially when he talked to JooPal and when his father “forgave” him. Just wow!
You guys know how there are the “live comments” on top at viki subs? Some douche there seems to have something against JJ. He/she/whatever it is claims the fangirls annoy her but her attacks seem highly personal. She claimed the plastic surgeon did a good job on Jaejoong. I was like…..why are you saying this? What does this have to do with anything? I can’t even reply to this coward because my account logs me off after a few seconds. (I need to get that fixed)
She doesn’t have to like KKT but why is that JJ’s fault? She also “ninjas” her comments so people can’t read her nasty attacks. I rarely watch with live comments and the one time I do this for Dr. Jin and I regret it.
She also seems to skip his parts or…she has the reading comprehension of a 5th grader because she claimed that KKT is annoying because he is obsessive and can’t see that his father is using him……I was like…..did you skip the conversation KKT had with YH where he clearly admits that he knows that he is being used? He also told YoungRae off after he tried to kill himself. I was kind of amused because she shut her trap during the scene where KKT is being interrogated by JooPal; they all did. I think they couldn’t deny his acting so they shut up for once.
I HATED THEM during PTB. They always had some snide attacks. I’ll go back to the “comment-less” videos. JJ’s excellent acting cheered me up too much! They are so lame that they have to resort to underhanded comments. That is how desperate they are!
You know what, the stupid comments on Viki annoyed me greatly as well. I mean, why are they talking too much while watching something? Do they even know what will unfold in the next scene? They scream their heads off and blame and hate when someone didn’t save another one (yet), then the next scene that someone does just as they wanted, and they all shut up. Isn’t it ridiculous? Usually during scenes without Kyung Tak, I don’t mind the comments because I can have some distraction from sometimes boring characters/events, but when Takie makes an appearance, I turn off the comments because I don’t want their blabbering to ruin my mood and concentration. To the hater like you mentioned, I’d say annoying her more with our fangirl-ings. Haters are gonna hate. They don’t comment/judge/view Jaejoong’s acting or his character objectively in the first place, and even use personal attack, so I don’t see why anyone should be courteous to them. It’s not like their opinions matter. Jaejoong has been praised a lot by media, non-fans, bloggers, even some experts so his capabilities are proven. An objective person will watch the drama and see for themselves if Jaejoong as an actor is good enough. Paying attention to prejudiced airheads is just as productive as talking to a rock, really.
@Angie
I wouldn’t dream of watching Dr Jin on Viki. (Actually, I wouldn’t dream of watching anything on Viki.) I waited till it came on Dramafever.com and I’d like to recommend it highly to anyone who wants excellent picture and full uninterrupted episodes, great subs and a superior viewing experience. It’s the only place I go anymore. I have a membership there (which costs next to nothing) and I think it’s by far the best site on the web for viewing dramas.
@lili
Yeah, I used to subscribe Dramafever too but I stopped it a while ago because I actually never watch K-dramas unless JYJ appear in one. Now I watch Dr. Jin on Viki because the sub team there is pretty fast and doesn’t really have grammatical or spelling issues. I guess I’ll just have to turn off the live comments to watch my drama in peace.
Oh I learned my lesson! I still wish I could smack them over the head though.
I think this video is very apropos for the times. JYJ winning forever.
3 long years of being the underdog, but the day of reckoning is almost here.
@lisan
WOW. I got kinda teary-eyed watching that.
I know right
, these 3 guys are truly inspiring. They personify hard work, perseverance and standing up for what you believe is right.
I did too which isn’t like me at all but in the face of all the obstacles they have overcome…..how can I not feel strongly for them?
@lisan…
Hey there….
LTNS… Thanks for posting….
truly LTNS, how are you
Hey… I’m Good! FYI Knife-Cuts moved back…Second cut ie re-alignment not deemed “medically necessary.” This was my response….. SAY WHAT!
Ahh that’s Health Insurance in US. You pay big money for the policy and you love it when it works, but man when it goes wrong it does so big time.
Anywhooo… whatever…Life throws you lemons… SWEET TEA LEMONADE is always an option…
@lisan..
Thank You! My Friend!
So sweet..You’ve reminded me why being a part of “Fandom” can be a beautiful thing…
Thank you for the poem.. Footprints in the Sand and oh my Yolanda’s song.. is like balm for my spirit.
And how apt that song is to JYJ and for all of us as fans because we live daily submerged in the hope that for JYJ … This Too Shall Pass..
woaa!! JYJ fighting!!!
hey guys, have y’all read the recent news about HoMin’s success with Android? people are saying that even though JYJ left they still managed to be successful.. What do you guys think about it?
Good for them! But the point is…….?
I just can’t really care for Android when I’m thirsty for a JYJ album. Thank God Junsu is on the move!
@petdino
“people are saying that even though JYJ left they still managed to be successful.. What do you guys think about it?”
To which I humbly submit this answer, my own opinion: Who Cares? Quite some time ago I’ve arrived at an informed assessment of the extent of their abilities as singers. Let them make of those abilities whatever they are able to. As artists, as men – they do not figure in anywhere in my interests. What anonymous “people” say about them interests me even less. I stand by the guidelines of JYJ3 on this one. Let’s try to leave the other two out of the discussion. This place is for JYJ.
okay, got it.. sorry about it
Why should JYJ fans care about HoMin’s success any more than any other kpop group sucess? They haven’t been part of DBSK for a couple years now. So I see no reason why we as a fans have to compare the two groups anymore. Especially seeing that one side has been blacklisted in the industry. Its hard to make comparison, when they aren’t even playing on the same field.
don’t worry, I don’t care about them too, I just read some comments on allkpop and people are saying things.. I just want to know what you guys think of it
anyway can’t wait for July 19th!!
………. No comment.
so true! better not to compare between the two groups…
I’d say: put JYJ back in the Japanese music market and let them promote freely like Homin do, then we’ll talk. The result that would come out when the 2 groups are on even playing field may as well automatically shut the mouths of “some people” that you mentioned. For now, I can’t care less about those two.
the music and their voices in this song is not my cup of tea
besides we know that %M have tendency to exaggerate the things they do and achieve
at least that’s what i think
Oh yes very successful indeed : the total sales of TVXQ!’s singles have exceeded 3,104,000. This is the largest sales volume for foreign singing groups in 10 years and 10 months since the American duo ‘Carpenters,’ who sold a total of 3,002,000 copies.” and ” had become the first foreign artist, who took the 1st place on the Oricon weekly single chart ten times, in 45 years of the Oricon history. By topping the Oricon weekly single chart with 11 single”.
Oh really, claiming all the fame from top to bottom, including those with JYJ’s tears and blood. Shameless/greedy companies and their idols, but who cares anyway.
@kris
“Oh really, claiming all the fame from top to bottom, including those with JYJ’s tears and blood. Shameless/greedy companies and their idols, but who cares anyway.”
I just went and read the “article” (obviously a straight press release written by the SM flying monkeys) and yeah, it made me kind of sick too. Do you have to be a completely oblivious f*cking brain-dead idiot to be a fan of that group, read that press release and then post the comment “Oh, we’re so PROUD!” ?? Yes, I guess you do.
Another related news to @shadows post above about Kim Jaejoong’s acting as Kyung Tak
[Trans] 120716 JYJ Jaejoong’s Evolution, “From A Handsome Guy To A Real Actor”
(from kstyle, trans. and shared by SYC)
…. The perfect acting by Jaejoong in this scene, where he drooled while sobbing, touched many viewers.
Not at all worrying about his image, and deeply blended in with his character, Jaejoong’s passionate portrayal shocked many viewers. From the grieving tears, he has left his ‘handsome guy’ image behind and at that moment, he is not the idol singer on stage but the Jaejoong who showed his presence as an actor. Even within the various veteran actors, he revealed indifference to them and his own style of acting.
It has been almost 3 years that Jaejoong has been acting. Do continue to keep an eye on the growing process of Jaejoong who is accumulating experiences pragmatically and constantly studying the way of acting.
update on mbc labor union strike: http://www.allkpop.com/2012/07/mbc-labor-union-announces-end-to-strike-normal-broadcast-on-the-18th#comment-589954436
while it’s not exactly a successful attempt, at least they made people more aware of this issue. mbc reputation won’t be same anymore. i’ll just wish the labor union leaders and staffs happiness.
@noiha
Well even if they did not succeed and get their main target objective, they have put the situation out in the public arena. SK mores are very strong and difficult to change.
But like anything, you keep chipping away and eventually the crack will appear that causes the break needed.
….im sure all of us are all anxious..shaking….nervous in anticipation for 2moro’s event..but i jst read an artcle that junsu is in l.a.right nw..so he wil not b w d 2 jyj brthers 2moro..he wil b mis…
lets all be strong..im praying for a victory..
like i said few days ago..hope 2moro b a blessd day for jyj n for all of us.:-)
JYJ’s case is delayed again it seems T_T http://hellothrice.tumblr.com/
Everytime I think it’s the end, I’m always disappointed, sigh
WHAT???? IS THIS THE TWILIGHT ZONE??! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING!!!!
SPEECHLESS…. I am beyond disappointment…..Something is simply just not right….Can the legal system in SK be so completely different from the US? Isn’t it the norm in any legal system that Arbitration is the first means of resolution… and once the case goes to trial requests for Arbitration by either the defendant or the plaintiff must be agreed to by BOTH parties? Or is August 10th the date to determine if the parties will move forward with Arbitration???
THIS IS SIMPLY MADNESS! I am really beginning to wander if the people that run SME – the attorneys and the CEOs – are they even HUMAN? Clearly, they have come to believe their own blasphemous statement that they are the “I AM” and that they can escape RETRIBUTION.
If ever you wanted to see PURE UNADULTERATED EVIL IN ACTION then look no further that the “PEOPLE” that run this company! When one considers that SME has spent MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS trying to crush these three young men… it is MIND-BLOWING!
All I can say there will be a special PIT IN HELL for SME! THE MALICIOUS VINDICTIVE NATURE OF THIS COMPANY KNOWS NO BOUNDS!!!
should I say… AS EXPECTED? =.=
well, does it mean both parties agreed to plan a meeting/reconciliation??
I hope God will always make the right one win!!! and if SM lose, there’s no way they could escape from the consequences/penalties..
For the mean time JYJ, keep your spirit up.. up..up..!!! Keep our spirit UP guys!!
When you think SM can’t sink lower and South Korea won’t continue to allow SM to embarrass her on the international stage, they do both. SM is the biggest threat to hallyu, their insistence of always being the lowest denominator, adds a sheen of corruption and organized crime to the South Korean entertainment scene. While, JYJ is out there promoting South Korea all over the world, SM is bribing and conniving its way to destroying the country’s reputation. Apparently, those with money and power, do not have to follow the same rules in Korea. What a shame.
JYJ belongs to the world now. JYJ and JYJ fans let us continue the fight, SM’s tactic is to drag this out in hopes that we will give up. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP.
Wow omg I’m speechless.. This is utter bs. How can this happen a day before the final verdict?! they have wasted too much precious time. what does the court think it can achieve through this Arbitration?? why spend extra time and brain juice to reconsider everything again??! How long more will this take this time! As much as I’m angry at SM and all its nonsensical and disgusting acts, I’m equally mad at korea’s legal system. If they keep granting SM’s requests for arbitration then this case will never close. SM is seriously pushing the limits right now and I’m pretty sure they are all jumping for joy in their building. Jump out the window too while they’re at it…..
Seriously…SM keeps dragging and dragging and trying to make the other party tired so that they will willingly pull out from the case? why are they such cheap dirtbags. I am so angry at how low these people are. I hope our boys are not punching the walls right now..
so disappointed…sigh 
@Edede
“How can this happen a day before the final verdict?! they have wasted too much precious time. what does the court think it can achieve through this Arbitration?? why spend extra time and brain juice to reconsider everything again??!”
And I’M speechless because at this point, I no longer have ANY idea how or if justice works in S. Korea. All bets are off. The case has been going on for 3 years because of SM’s stalling tactics and general incompetence, they’ve already BEEN in mandatory arbitration and it failed, it’s the day before a final verdict in the case is rendered and now — this. It is just mind numbingly WRONG. And as I said, I haven’t a clue as to what it means or what JUSTICE means in S. Korea now. So my thoughts are with the guys and I only wish I could communicate to them somehow that we are here for them, we are not going anywhere and we love them.
yeah man… I have sooo many questions as to how the legal system works there. how can the Courts allow a civil lawsuit to drag on for 3 years? how can the Courts allow some talent company to be above them? what are they hoping to achieve through this Arbitration? Why can’t they just stand firm to their final decision (which was supposed to be announced today) since they’ve already pretty much made the final decision?! It just doesn’t make sense. they are all going around in circles and it’s never ending. their legal system is such an embarrassment to allow such a company to drag them around by the nose. again and again.
Ugh, I wanted to pull my hairs out when I read this information. Just when everyone was excited about the supposedly final verdict, SME was granted that f*cking arbitration ONE day before!! Goddamn it, I’d like to know what the judge is smoking! There’s no word to describe how disappointed I am at Korean legal system now. Why gives the court so much power (no jury, court may grant arbitration without the need for consent from both sides, etc) while it doesn’t do its job properly? What result of this 5th arbitration do they think will be any different from those of the previous 4? Too much time and resources are wasted on a civil case that isn’t new at all. Un-freaking-believable! If there really was justice, the court wouldn’t keep granting SME’s requests to delay final judgement time and time again like that. I guess money talks louder huh? The retards in SME should just vanish from the Earth! No matter what, I firmly believe JYJ will win in the end. The question is: when will this shit ever end? If we’re this frustrated, imagine how bitter JYJ will feel when the finality of the lawsuit is once again taken away from them every time they have their hope up. Man, I want to give all three boys a hug and a pat on the back right now. It’s okay, we’re not going anywhere. We’ll be by their side until they truly see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Heard about it via twitter and all the eff SM hash tags. -______________-
I’m sorry koreas judicial system, but how long can you deny JYJs (verdict)win?! How many more times can Sm be granted arbitration until they reach their limit? Is their even a limit?!
SM wants to certainly blacklist them for life. When JYJs win, they will appeal until it gets to the supreme court. Sigh….i pray for strength for JYJ and us fans.
If anyone wants to learn more about arbitration in South Korea I found this:
http://arbitration.practicallaw.com/8-381-2907
JYJ hwaiting T_T
Thank you. From that I learned, there is no exact limit to arbitration, but usually must be done within 3 years of the case. Darn SM who used their last arbitration before the 3 years were almost up.
Ok I get it now South Korea, your judicial system’s middle name is CORRUPTION.
You really didn’t have to go this far to convince me. I get it. You enjoy being played. There is a name for this, it’s called sadism. Rather kinky don’t you think? But here is something I want YOU and LSM/SME/chorts to store in your memory banks.
WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE! DO YOU HEAR THIS! WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE DURATION! JYJ ~~~ KIM JAEJOONG, PARK YOOCHUN & KIM JUNSU WILL ALWAYS HAVE US AT THEIR BACKS! SO WHEN YOU SEE THEM, YOU WILL SEE US! GOT THAT!! GOOD!
Ok, now back to the discussion at hand. Yes, we are disappointed. But as someone mentioned, not surprised. I have come to learn that your sense of democracy is so far off the beaten path. It really does not adhere to any kind of normalcy. You sign on to all kinds of international agreements that give the impression you follow the rules others follow. However, you show different colors when it comes to doing the right thing. In allowing yourselves to be played like this, there is no amount of respect you can earn in the international community. We are keeping note of all the times you allow SME to screw you over. Tell me, how does that feel by the way?
We are now in another waiting game. Nothing we can do about that. But this is not going to deter us. Oh no, not by a long shot. As mentioned above, we are not going anywhere. Freedom does not come easy, and it does not come cheap. We know JYJ are going to get their freedom one day. So any attempts to derail waiting this out are not going to work. At this point, it’s all about the money. How sad. All these young men want is what is righfully theirs. They earned it. It was stolen from them. Crooks running the asylum is how I see it. How does that work?
I have patience. Been there, seen that done that. Quite a number of my family members are beyond exasperated. So I figure to step up to the plate and help them calm down and deal with the situation. You see, SM’s game plan is not going work, and your compliance with their objectives is going to fall short as well. So, keep on getting played. Eventually you will become tired of it as well. Then you will be forced to do the right thing. I have confidence in JYJ’s legal team. Patience is a virtue. I’m looking at this as Lady Karma saying there is something even bigger that will come from all this. Yup, I’m just going to wait for that day to come, I know it will.
So, all my JYJ family members, let’s not go ballistic. You see, when you give in like that, this is what the other side wants. They want the frustration level to go so high, you throw up your hands and quit. Quitters never win. We are not going to give them what they want. NEVER.
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.” ~Thomas Paine
“In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved.” ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
“Freedom is the oxygen of the soul.” ~Moshe Dayan
FREEDOM WILL BE YOURS ONE DAY, JYJ.
Beautiful. Like you said, this is another stain on South Korea’s reputation on the international stage, courtesy of SM.
Don’t go ballistic, just dust of the hate and continue to support JYJ – Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu.
Instead of saying F***SM, JYJ fans should be saying ScaredSM, because that is what they are, running scared. They can’t face the truth, there is already a huge crack in their facade and the day when it all tumbles down, is coming sooner than later. So run SM, keep running, we JYJ fans are in it for the long haul.
@BFAF2 and @lisan
beautifully written! yeah, I agree, we should say ScaredSM..
our boys must be really stressed right now, let’s all JYJ family get together and pray for them.. JYJ FIGHTING!
JJ, YC, JS, you know that you have our love and support!! we will never leave you
the hell with democracy. at the end of the day, it’s not even government who rule the country, it’s the chaebol groups. and sm is one of them. together with samsung, cj e&m, etc yeah you name it. i wonder how long SK managed to keep this up? the whole country can act like nothing’s happened, but i believe one day it’ll *explode*. it might sound idealist or unrealistic, but come on, world’s changing. SK can’t remain unchanged forever.
“Quitters never win”
YES! and i always on JYJ’s side no matter what happen!
I don’t have much more to say than to agree with what my esteemed friends here have already said. I’m shocked and disappointed. The thought that SM does indeed have the entire justice system of SK in their back pocket makes me slightly nauseated. My thoughts and good wishes go to the guys right now – imagine how they must feel. Thanks Heavens at least Jae and Junsu are working and are I hope too busy to dwell. Please remember though – arbitration does NOT mean reconciliation. Every low down rotten thing SM does to these young men will only reinforce the correctness of their decision to get the hell out and live their lives the way they want.
God Bless JYJ. We love you and we will NEVER NEVER NEVER give up on you.
“Please remember though – arbitration does NOT mean reconciliation.”
Exactly. The game plan is delay. They cannot avoid the inevitable.
Funny, when you think about it, the entire gambit is SME’s way of saying, “Yes, we know we lost, but we are not going to lose easily.” How pathetic is that? At this point it’s only hurt feelings, and desiring to make JYJ endure pain for imposing light and fresh air on SME. I don’t think I’ve run across a company so desparate to destroy its corporate image. But who am I to stop them?
I too, don’t have much to say or add to what has already been said. I honestly cannot say I’m surprised that ANOTHER request by that company has been granted, and at the last possible moment. This, posted on hellothrice is disturbing; If JYJ and SM cannot reach an agreement then a new trial process will start so that a judge can make the final ruling, is what allows SM to continually delay proceedings and abuse the SK legal system, although I wouldn’t rule out corruption in the court/legal system at this point either. What a loophole, allowing for more arbitration if this one fails and a “new trial.” This could go on ad infinitum and ad nauseam. Meaning of course, starting over AGAIN, which is exactly what SM wants. I find it inconceivable that the courts would not pick up where they left off and instead start over. Again, this only ever benefits one side.
But you know what? I’m not going anywhere, I will stay fighting and supporting JYJ till I’m old and gray (ok, won’t discuss how soon that will be!
) I can put in a good fight. Patience, fortitude and perseverance for us and JYJ will win the day, I just know it.
I don’t usually say this publicly, but I love these 3 honorable young men, fighting for what they’ve earned in sweat and tears, fighting for the right to live their life as they see fit. Jae-joong, Yoo-chun and Jun-su, you have my greatest respect and admiration.
Is this true? They have to start all over again if arbitration fails?
That is beyond ridiculous to me==
I had the good fortune recently to visit the site of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial in Washington, D.C. It is really a fabulous tribute to a man who offered hope to so many. As a young child I had the opportunity to hear him speak twice. It would be an understatement that the man gave new meaning to word eloquent.
The following are some of the quotes from the inscription wall. Please take heart my JYJ3/JYJ family members, justice will be served…
“We shall overcome because the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” (31 March 1968, Washington, DC)
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.” (1963, Strength to Love)
“I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.” (10 December 1964, Oslo, Norway)
“Make a career of humanity. Commit yourself to the noble struggle for equal rights. You will make a greater person of yourself, a greater nation of your country, and a finer world to live in.” (18 April 1959, Washington, DC)
“If we are to have peace on earth, our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional. Our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective.” (24 December 1967, Atlanta, GA)
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” (16 April 1963, Birmingham, AL)
“I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits.” (10 December 1964, Oslo, Norway)
“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” (25 February 1967, Los Angeles, CA)
“Every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole in order to preserve the best in their individual societies.” (4 April 1967, Riverside Church, New York, NY)
“We are determined here in Montgomery to work and fight until justice runs “down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.” (5 December 1955, Montgomery, AL)
“We must come to see that the end we seek is a society at peace with itself, a society that can live with its conscience.” (16 April 1963, Birmingham, AL)
“True peace is not merely the absence of tension: it is the presence of justice.” (16 April 1963, Birmingham, AL)
Let these words be the guiding force in our pledge to be there for the members of JYJ. Let us continue to use this platform, JYJ3.net, as our foundation for continuing the fight.
PEACE
Hi everyone. Do you think SM wanted this so that whatever penalty or agreement that is not in their favor can be kept under wraps to protect their reputation. Because if I read correctly anything that goes on in the meeting and any settlement would be confidential. If the court ruled against them it would be a big deal in the papers so by doing this it is to their benefit. This way they can spin their own rumors of how they came up on top and the boys did not get their way, etc. What do you think, possible?
That might work, and I say might, if when they lose, they don’t decide to appeal. Then an appeal goes back to the court side. See, they are really beating around the bush here. If this is the route they want to go, then no appeal. So, I guess there may be a trade-off. BUT, and this is where SME doesn’t get it.
Some enterprising internet sleuth will find out anyway, and BAM! There goes all that for naught. Considering how much personal information gets outed on the internet, I say good luck with that!
Kind of like being between a rock and a hard place. Either way, they are the ones who screwed. Pretty much makes me feel REAL GOOD.
True. Well IF this happens I would love for the day that an internet sleuth leaks the information that would truly be epic. But you are right they have the means to just keep this alive and going… on and on and on… trying to wear out our boys. But JYJ has us and we will forever be “the wind beneath their wings.”
This is outrageous. I feel deeply disappointed towards the Korean law institutions. The only logical way to explain this concesion is ….. I don’t want to say it….. Corruption. They think they manage a morally clean society but it’s pretty clear they don’t. Shame over SKorean legal institutions
“They think they manage a morally clean society but it’s pretty clear they don’t. Shame over SKorean legal institutions.”
Truly. Talk about the paradox of all paradoxes. But again, “What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger.” This is what SK doesn’t get.
@BAF
Sad and uncomprehensible my dear friend. Btw, I love the comment you posted above and I agree with you. We aren’t going anywhere; we’re glued to JYJ because we admire, we love, we like, we understand, we respect and we support everyhting about them trustfully.
Well, we simply have to toughen up and get going!
Aside from having this nonsense over, nothing will give me greater pleasure than to shove it in SME’s face!
¡OH YES!!! I hope that will happen sooner than later
I wonder if a young journalist who just happens to follow JYJ would write about what is happening, or even do a documentary about the unfairness that is happening. A lot of information is listed right here at JYJ3. post the documentary on YT. send it to TV stations that cover Entertainment News. We all talk about it on the web. It needs to get out in the open, before LSM receives any more awards for his Hallyu wave.
I know that one of Jaejoong’s friends is a writer but I’m not sure if she would be able to write about the lawsuit without her career being compromised in some shape or form.
@Alison
“I know that one of Jaejoong’s friends is a writer but I’m not sure if she would be able to write about the lawsuit without her career being compromised in some shape or form.”
Probably true. Only the likes of Precious and Forever can write about how terrible and dishonorable the members of JYJ are with perfect safety. Anyone coming to their defense, or even just laying out the facts of the case for the readers to judge, would probably suffer retribution.
I Just wanna said, there’s no JYJ site better than JYJ3…. Already become member of many fansite, and my brain finally said “just comeback to JYJ3, you will never find smart and loving friends on the other site”
yes, sometime i hate with many delusional fans in here, but realize that there’s no perfection in this world
cheers,…. and hug for JYJ fans
So is 8/10 the starting date for another round of arbitration? Or will the final verdict be given then? I am reading conflicting info online……
How long does arbitration usually take?
Meanwhile, I am too outraged/depressed to even say anything else…..I will bounce back tomorrow to support JYJ full force. I am not surprised that this happened. It’s just so frustrating. Such blatant injustice, over and over and over and over again==
there’s this hangeng’s case. hangeng won his first trial on december 2010. shortly after that, sm responded with an appeal. hangeng’s side then issue a countersuit against the appeal. i don’t know what happen during that time, but in september 2011, hangeng’s side withdrawed their countersuit and shortly after that, they decided on a mutual agreement outside the court. what is the decision? well, media can’t be sure about that and publicize it since it’s settled outside the court and the content of the agreement is not officially publicized (heh). but seeing hangeng now untouchable, it seems like he got what he wanted. idk if it’s different from arbitration or not, but sure enough it took almost a sweet one year to reach this mutual agreement (from december 2010 to september 2011). good for hangeng that the whole lawsuit didn’t harm him and his career in china.
that’s said, maybe i sound pesimistic, but i expect another year for jyj at least…
does anyone know how the korean netizens/fans are reacting to this madness?
I have a question ? When JYJ win their lawsuit with SM ( i really hope that) what will happen with their lawsuit with AVEX ? thats means avex should let JYJ go too right ?