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HOLAHOLA !! Happy Fasting btw~
Happy fasting to you too, and to all brothers n sisters here in jyj3 community who are also undergoing it. Hope our sins be forgiven, and we become a better person in the end. May Ramadhan be a blessed month to all of us and to jyj as well!
hello there (人●´ω｀●) Ramadan Kareem to y’all☆ミ
happy fasting to u too!
Happy to see the OPEN DISCUSSIONS for JYJ here! Congratulations for each of them of JYJ team because got very highly achievement recently !
i just want to share a bit with you.i just returned from a trip to australia. i was in Brisbane, Sydney, and Queensland. i looked everywhere i went for evidence of JYJ there. i found only one but i FOUND one! in Chinatown, in a small souvenir shop, there were a few cd’s. there were some SuJu and i found ONE of JYJ Beginning cd there. it was an exciting moment cause, well, we all love them and want to see them everywhere in the world! i bet there was more than just that cd of course but i just thought Wow this is cool! yeah, kind of dumb but ,yeah.
also while there, i went to sydney for a day and climbed the bridge junsu climbed and it was so awesome! it is a must do if you ever make it there. also saw the opera house and other things. australia is a really cool place to visit. i was there to visit relatives. junsu by making his video there, gave me a very exciting adventure cause i might not have tried it otherwise so my thanks to him for yet another fun thing cause he shared that with us! hehehe! the things they do for me and give to us are so many and so neat. they truly do influence others for good and that is a sign of a great person with a big heart like JYJ have.
that sounds like it was a lot of fun! It’s so funny but so thrilling to find JYJ stuff isn’t it? I know I almost embarrassed my husband when I was in the local drug store and went KYAA and whipped out my camera to take a picture of the SKKS DVD Box Set they had in the photo department LOL!
Republic of JYJ: it doesn’t mean a single country, it encompasses the WORLD!
thank you-it was so fun. i am almost embarrased saying how excited i was just to see that cd but really NOT! JYJ needs to be in everyone’s lives!
Hi everyone!
Well as we know soon we’ll see the end of Dr Jin, sad but in a way glad because Jae can get a well deserve rest, hope Yoochun and him go in a vacation and relax, as we know Junsu can’t for he is busy with his solo album and concerts which make me happy to hear that his dream is coming true and he deserves it too. Feel so disappointed on Korea laws for giving into sm baby cry, that is all there is. They know how the outcome will be if the court decides, bunch of soar loosers is what they are, but we will wait because patience is a virtue. JYJ always warriors and will defeat the evil and show that fighting with courage conquers all! FIGHTING!!!
hi.helo to all.
we’ve been dsappointd this past few dys…but i knw it wil be all wrth it…kip holding….
hapi fasting to all my family n brothrs sistrs in islam…more power n strenght for us as wel as to all jyj lovers n d 3 jyj brothers..
p.s im been worrd about yoochun n his tweet regrdng his twtter account..there could mst be smethng hapen..im worrd…
i my not be very actve cmmentng for 1mnth…as you knw..but jyj wil b in my prayers and all of us to be strong n hve peace of mind…
Happy fasting everybody…love JJ, best regard from Indoensia
I ´ve found by chance this tweet (by a japanese OT5):
[RUMOR] [JYJ Live Concert in Japan???] (cr:yuttkeyna)
According to this article ~ it says that JYJ’s outdoor live concert in Japan (in Nov) is almost fixed. I’m waiting for their live concert. Please.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/icnqtu
Could it be truth? And will it be JYJ concert (that would mean a new JYJ album would be out before that concert) or will it be just a part of Junsu´s world tour?
Well I’m not Japanese – and so far away from japan – but I’m hoping for all japanese fans & for JYJ that they could perform live in Japan soon , they love Japan & apparently Japanese fans love them so much + I miss the Tokyo Dome days even if they were painful but the concert was a Killer ..
I’m egyptian & I need a JYJ Japanese album =D
me too! i’m a malaysian but i really love their japanese songs beside korean. jyj please make a new japanese album. we will be waiting for it.
An outdoor live concert in November? I mean, November? Is that possible, isn’t it too cold? Oh my, I see… I will have to check JYJ3 constantly in Japan too ^^ Thanks for sharing btw (^_^)v
@ruber
yes, i have a twitter follower from osaka japan, he said it is possible later this year JYJ can perform in Japan, but that’s not definite, so do not be taken seriously
Oh my, really *_* this would be so great……(please god, let it be October *fingers crossing till they bleed*)
Just wondering, anybody here listens to TVXQ’s songs? As in the TVXQ before JYJ was formed.
i do! i’m still listening to the TVXQ songs…why??
Stil listening.
Just wondering
Because I fell in love with their TVXQ songs and that’s what brought me to JYJ. Glad that people still listen to them 
i do listen to them too. but pay attention to the three beautiful voices esp. yuchun.
But those 5 voices blend so well it’s hard for me to only listen to three voices besides their solo parts…
I’m ONLY into JYJ’s songs every day. No tvxq’s songs.
Reason: As whenever I heard their tvxq’s songs, its triggers all sort of my negative feelings toward SM, especially the tv2xq. For all the senseless SM showcase to the public, behind those doors are the juvenile tortures to many young’s emotion and their mind. Silence or not,. No money of mine or my time is going to waste on SM or tx2xq. Just like a white paper, any inks go in there, will become permanence and so of LSM’s history. No mercy for SM and LSM. The company is full of craps when it comes to their contracts. I can’t wait to see the judgment day bestow on LSM and his company.
0.o so no SNSD or Super Junior songs either? okaayyy.. But maybe you should listen to some DB5K songs. JYJ’s songs are limited to allow more appreciation of their beautiful voices. I’m just saying. Don’t kill me xD
@rikachan
That is all I need for now ~~~ JYJ and JYJ only 
oh! Seeing JJ’s pictures are very healthy for my spirits too ^^
Ya!!! No money of mine wasted on SnSd, SuJu, or Shinee. Most of my money spent on JYJ , Hello Kitty, Louis Vuitton, Burberry, and books … more ..but let not get carried away. I live for today and in vision of the future. Right now, I don’t have a need to go back for their old Db5k songs, after the final verdict, I will see if buying their old songs will give JYJ the benefits or support JYJ, i will make my decision later. For now, i will focus solely on JYJ songs and their activities^^
That makes me very happy
But….. You don’t need to waste money on themmmm…. Whatever happened to downloading songss???? xD Free and efficient but lol unethical.
@rikachan
Hahaha…… are you trying to teach me doing something unethical? Just Kidding , JK, JK
Ik what you mean — Listening is different than buying hahaha…..
I do listen to them alot =)))))
Yay!
hi5! I realised JJ’s voice/singing style changed from his Hug days. But still awesome 
I’m probably in the minority but I’m not really a fan of DBSK. No one can deny that they were talented but I feel that since I got into KPop late and wasn’t there for the “glory days” of DBSK, their music blends with every other KPop group now. I don’t blame them, but it’s probably SM’s lack of ability to create any real individuality with their artists, and since DBSK was so popular, they modeled their later boy groups after them. I liked their music when they were in Japan a whole lot better, especially Why Did I Fall In Love, Bolero, Heart, Mind and Soul, 9095, etc. Some of the Korean songs I actually like though are Tonight, Love in the Ice, and Mirotic (b/c it’s hot hehe ^_^). Oh and Jaejoong’s solo song, Insa is just hauntingly beautiful O_O
O….you are just like me…i always think that DBSK expecially the korean song is really general there are no much different that other music exclude the ballad of course(their ballad is awesome).First time I saw DBSK was on MIROTIC day plus with the MV and i just stare in one direction (u know what i mean JJ’s abs) i goes like holy moly that abs is hot.but not so attract to the song. after 6 month later i stumble upon a japanese song call doushite kimi wo suki ni natte shimattan daroui keep repeat that first word doushite JJ singing part and you know what? i fell in love with that song.i replay that song everyday until i make up my mind i what to know who sing it.( I didn’t know that DBSK sing this song)when i found out i was like holy moly that sexy abs guy from the MV that i watch before had such a beautifull voice singing japanese song. and that is how i know DBSK but i still prefer their japanese song better. there voice blend together it sound very beautifull expecially Jaejoong and Junsu voice it is like heaven…and that husky voice of Yoochun with JJ in been so long is awesome and now i stick to JYJ becz JJ voice bring me to know the beauty of music and bring me to know Junsu great voice and Yoochun awesomenes ^^
Love In The Ice is actually Japanese but they have the Korean version. Haha just saying. But yea, I agree that their Korean songs weren’t as good. But I still like them
And yay to Mirotic!!!! Couldn’t breathe watching them dance, esp JJ. Oh gosh, those abs…….
@rikachan
I have to say I’m with @Cat95 and @Rocky. I never listen to DBSK5 songs. Neither do I listen to any kpop group. I listen to JYJ and some other artists, but I don’t like kpop in general, far prefer jpop, and I find DBSK5 songs mostly too jarring for me to listen to anymore. I don’t mean the sound itself, but somehow I’m so used to the JYJ 3-voice sound that it sounds “off” to my ears when I hear other voices in there. Sorry, I know there are tons of fans, but that’s just my opinion.
Well, I only listen to DBSK5 and JYJ’s songs. Dislike mainstream kpop. But yea, DBSK’s Japanese songs are much better than the Korean ones. Have you listened to Wasuranaide, an awesome piece of work by JJ? It’s so beautiful ;~;
hehehe yeaahh~ i like tohoshinki better than dongbangshinki…Just kidding~ hehe
@rikachan
Yes, I have almost the full discography for DBSK5 and also the very first DBSK2 offering so I’ve listened to all of it. The one album that I regret buying is the first DBSK2, but I was new to the music at the time and didn’t realize how different the music styles would be, and that sound along with pretty much all kpop sound, doesn’t appeal to me.
Anyway, back to DBSK5: I used to listen to the DBSK5 music all the time, when I first discovered JYJ when I only had one JYJ album on hand. There are many really lovely songs in the DBSK5 track listing, but as @Lili mentioned over in the Toshiro Ono topic here (http://jyj3.net/2012/07/24/opinion-120724-toshiro-ono-blogs-about-tohoshinki-and-jyj/#comment-472954), I’ve found over time that my emotional response to the music is far too coloured by my intellectual response to the circumstances of that music to allow me to enjoy it properly. The only two DBSK5-era albums that I am able to listen to and enjoy fully are Xiah and Colours. There were four of DBSK5 songs that I used to play while cleaning my house (strong beat, good ‘working’ music) but even those have now been replayed by the Tarantallegra songs that are ‘working music’ songs. Actually, I think I’d replaced them even before that, probably with Get Out and Mission. Honestly, I’d say I haven’t listened to any DBSK5 songs since the end of last year. I just can’t get around my visceral reaction to them. Hopefully, once the lawsuit is settled and the negative circumstances for JYJ are put to bed, perhaps then I might be able to reacquaint myself with DBSK5 music, but I just don’t know. Nothing is going to change the fact that my favourite music makers were in very harsh circumstances when they took part in making that music. Lawsuit or no lawsuit, settlement or no settlement, those circumstances will never change because it’s in the past already, there’s no time-machine to go and “fix” things. And I fear that that fact will forever colour my response to the music produced within that timeframe.
Hopefully you can understand my feelings and what I’m trying to say. It’s difficult for me to express properly how I feel about the situation and the music, because it’s so complicated in so many ways.
I listen to both JYJ/DBSK songs. I have no problem listening to the sound of DBSK. I enjoy the music whether it was their Korean sound or their Japanese sound. SM does not get my money.
I come from a different time and culture. Groups formed and broke up all the time. Did not mean I had to fore go what went before. SM does not define for me what I listen to. They do not figure into the equation at all.
I am not going to forget where JJ, YC, and JS cut their teeth. This is where they got their start. What they learned there formed the basis for where they are now. I like the work they did as part of DBSK.
But for those who want to separate the two paths, that is fine. We all march to beat of a different drummer.
Totally with you! Music is music. Who cares who composed/wrote/produced/distributed it. Good music is meant to be appreciated. For example. I don’t like Justin Bieber. But his songs like Boyfriend are nice. Will still listen to it! But I appreciate DBSK’s songs more because it’s JYJ’s past. I’m sure they would want us to appreciate and enjoy their past works as well
I do, just yesterday again… mostly ballades, because those 5 voices blend to well (like rikachan mentioned) and mostly concert recordings and lives… I love “Ballons”, it never failes to make me smile and in the end I’m jumping/dancing all around my apartment ^^
Balloons!! <3 those cute costumes and dance!! ^___^ I love the LIVE version of Bolero and Love In The Ice.
I love the most about Ballon the enthusiastic and fun melody, but also very much the dance and the MV ^^ Bolero and Love In The Ice, oh wow… the best Live for me is the Secret Code Final at Tokyo Dome… incredible…they really really now how to perform ^^
I love old DBSK ballad song esp in Japanese (Bolero,Love in the Ice,Stand by You,Melody and Harmony) i don’t like Mirotic it’s bring memory to damn SME. I love watch them in different variety show in Japan as well, as newbie in Asia music I love JYJ but I hate South Korea damn much, maybe later when JYJ win this lawsuit i’ll change.
“Music is Universal”
where’s yoochun btw??
Missing yoochun.
yes, i too. really>3 missing him. when will he make his appearance?
i do….^_^
I just read on another fan tweet that JYJ are banned from Korean television and radio. Is this true? If so, why? I can’t believe it!
Because of the lawsuit, is hard for them to promote too, all they can do is to let others know of their doings online. That’s why they need our support and let others know how amazing they are as actors and singers!
@Shirley, USA
@Silvia
“Because of the lawsuit, is hard for them to promote too, all they can do is to let others know of their doings online.”
Well, that’s not the whole picture, I mean you’re right as far as what you said goes, but it doesn’t really present the whole picture. Not by a long shot.
@Shirley, the reason why they can’t be on TV and radio in Korea is because SM Entertainment has interfered behind the scenes either by threats or by promising their own acts’ continued participation in programming with the stipulation that the stations are NOT allowed to book JYJ or have JYJ perform.
Likewise SM has threatened songwriters, producers all kinds of technical people in the music industry in SK with blacklisting if they work for JYJ. Ditto, CD manufacturers and record distributors.
They have coerced the owners of all the major performance venues in the populated regions of SK to not rent their performance spaces to JYJ. (AVEX has likewise does this in Japan and when JYJ wished to do a charity concert to aid earthquake victims and they did find a venue that would have them, in a place far away form any major city, AVEX threatened to sue the town.)
When JYJ released their documentary earlier this year, SM got to the owners of the theater chain who C-jeS had a signed contract with to show the film at their chain of theaters and the contract was abruptly canceled on the eve of the premiere with a stupid flimsy excuse. This happens over and over again. Every single music business related thing JYJ and C-jeS tries to do is in some way blocked or otherwise thwarted and has been for the last 2 years and counting.
I am very tired of reading these comments in passing in the press “…and because JYJ cannot promote on TV, ….” and then on they go with no further explanation as to WHY this is or one word about the travesty of this completely illegal blocking that is taking place in SK on a daily basis. It’s like the whole damn press corps is also in collusion with SM — either that or their too scared of reprisals to say anything.
I hope this gives you a clearer picture of what is going on there.
liliyau, thank you for filling me in on what is going on with SK and JYJ. Horrible that this kind of behavior exists. I admire the boys even more now for having the courage to fight SK. I really, really hope they win.
i read this interesting article: http://www.allkpop.com/2012/07/the-weaknesses-of-sm-jyp-and-yg-entertainment (hey, allkpop rarely translate op-ed!
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The Weaknesses of SM, JYP, and YG
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SM Entertainment, JYP Entertainment, and YG Entertainment are the so-called “Big 3” entertainment agencies of South Korea. With extensive planning, funding and tactical marketing, they possess a significant portion of equity in the music industry. However, even they have inevitable weaknesses.
To start out, SM’s weakness lies in its extremely rigid system. After its release of male idol group, H.O.T., SM has focused on “blockbuster” idols that can be well showcased. Although systematically built on the ideal idol image, overseas music trends, chic styling, and massive amounts of publicity, the SM system is still vulnerable to that ‘1% of unpredictability’. The reason being that in the case of popular music, just ‘having the secret potion and knowing the magic spell’, does not necessarily produce a hit song.
An example of this case would be newly debuted boy group, EXO. Displaying good looks, outstanding talent, endless publicity starting 100 days before their big debut, lyrics appealing to teens, and large scale music, the group possessed the formula for success, yet was unable to see results up to par with expectations.
Surprisingly enough, it was because they possessed all of the ideal elements which resulted in evaluations stating that the group does not stand out among the plethora of idol groups. Being so “typical” can display the group as lacking their own unique color. This is where SM’s “bold investments” can hinder the success of its’ artists, because the greater the investment, the greater the pressure is to bring in revenue. If going by the statement, ‘It is not the strong that survive, but rather the ones that survive are strong’, then with exception to BoA, there are no “strong” artists.
On the other hand, JYP’s biggest weakness lies in the head of the agency himself, Park Jin Young. His signature ‘simple yet catchy’ songs are the reasons why the Wonder Girls, 2PM, Miss A, and others are considered representatives of K-Pop; however all of the title songs have been his creations. Although it is said that Park Jin Young’s songs are picked even against the collection of songs the A&R team has compiled, they cannot deny the fact the at least three of the agency’s artists have yet to promote a title song produced by anyone other than Park Jin Young.
The biggest problem musically would be that because the songs are produced by one individual, all of the songs can generally sound similar. Even in the case of 2PM’s Wooyoung, whose individuality should shine through his debut as a solo artist, one cannot help but notice the stylistic similarity of his recently revealed title song to the songs of 2PM.
Although it could be seen as a “direction of enterprise”, it can unintentionally be crippling for idol groups who are always searching for new images that appeal to audiences. In reality, six year veteran idol group Wonder Girls have yet to break out of the retro concept they created early on with songs, “Tell Me”, “So Hot”, and “Nobody”.
Last but not least, YG’s biggest weakness can be noted in their very closed system of communication. This can be seen in their relationships with broadcasting companies. YG entertainment has a particularly strong relationship with SBS compared to its relationships with KBS and MBC. Debut stages and appearances on SBS’s ‘Inkigayo’ are always a priority for groups such as Big Bang and 2NE1. As a result, KBS and MBC can seem somewhat neglected in comparison.
When this problem turns from a simple music program problem, to the discrimination of all variety and entertainment programs, it makes it even more difficult for all other broadcasters other than SBS. SBS in reality, exclusively enjoys appearances by YG artists. During the time of Big Bang’s comeback, the broadcast station arranged an hour long special program for the group, who also appeared on many of its major variety programs, such as ‘Healing Camp’, ‘Running Man’, and ‘You & I’.
This is the case not just with television, but also with newspapers, magazines, and other media. It may not be a big problem for artists that have reached a certain level of success; however that is not the case for new artists. The smallest negative matters brought up by sides that are not “alliances”, can cause a fatal blow on up and coming artists.
Another significant setback is that the agency is highly dependent on one artist, Big Bang. In the year 2010, Big Bang was responsible for a whopping 70.1% of YG entertainment’s total sales. This could mean that YG is more focused on Big Bang than any of its other artists, but it can also mean that if a problem were to occur with the group, the whole company could be at stake.
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what do you guys think about that?
@noiha
First off, thanks for posting this piece. Interesting to say the least. You’re right AKP rarely does op-ed.
After reading the different sections, the first thing that popped into my head was the phrase, ‘form/image over substance’. For the most part marketing is purely about ‘image’, but if your product has no ‘substance’, image doesn’t matter. This is true for any entity that wants to ‘sell’ something. Selling something means you must create a consumer base, then maintain that base with satisfied customers.
Considering the subject matter is Kpop, and how the Big 3 are contributing to their own marginalization, I find the piece has a good take on what is happening to the Kpop genre. Repetion gets you to the point of boredom faster than a speeding bullet. There will come a time when one reaches a saturation point.
SME — well now, what can possibly be said about their model? The critique was a fair one I think. This company does rely too heavily on the ‘blockbuster’ idol group. Soak them for as long as you can, NEXT! SM’s reliance on their music formula is what makes them desperate to milk each group that they can. While they are at it, they box their groups into a corner by not allowing them to grow musically. Even though their acts may have talent, and given the size of them, only a few with any real talent. They don’t really make a mark outside of the visuals. SM relies on visuals after marketing. Yes, SNSD is a success, but a success at what? The songs they sing are primarily a hit in their own backyard. They cannot possibly come over to the West and make a splash with songs like “The Boys”. Just is not the kind of sound that is going to be a hit across the ocean. They are strictly visual.
All the groups that have been totally talent based are either no longer with SM or are sitting on a backshelf somewhere not seen or heard…Shinwha, FTTS, TVXQ(the real one), and The Grace.
JYPE — Yes, just about every group that has a hit uses one of JYP’s compositions. He has groups that can sing, but he too doesn’t give them a chance to explore and expand. He also relies on concepts too much. The WG should retire the retro thing. Retro is a fad, it comes and goes. It cycles around about every 25-50 years. Come on JYP!
Probably the one thing that is going to keep the company relevant at this rate, is having JTunes as a subsidiery, with Rain and MBLAQ under the JYP umbrella.
YGE — This asssessment to me was even more interestng. To be honest, I was not aware of the statistic that was quoted. It makes sense, but still a surprise. That is a definite no-no. Its like putting all your eggs into one basket. This might be another reason for the signing of SuPearls. The company needs some diversity of artists. What better way to do that with a group that doesn’t need a huge amount of training, mainly polishing. Like a diamond in the rough. To give YG credit, I believe of the three, he has the ones with the most talent right now.
I’m not really going to take issue that much with the lack of music/variety program diversity
by YG. If he is avoiding KBS and MBC’s programs like the plague, there must be a reason for that. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Choosing your marketing plan is as important as having one. You don’t want to market just to market. It the campaign is a bad one, that one bad one will be remembered for ever — New Classic Coke anyone?
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Looking at what was pointed out about the BIG 3. I’m more than encouraged about the path that JYJ has taken. Yes, being under the umbrella of a large company with a brand name, can make life easier. But as was stated, these deficincies, could at any moment topple any of them.
When you have the talent, the creative desire, the willingness to work hard, the last thing you need is to be stifled. Nothing kills it faster than not being in control of your own destiny. This world of Kpop has a very tenuous future at best. IF it has the potential to be huge, it’s not there yet. If it turns out to be a fad, that is going to make worldwide domination impossible, not matter how confident you are of your product.
Not to mention international success does not come overnight. If you don’t have sustainable talent to last until that success comes, there is nothing that will keep you afloat.
This is what separates JYJ from the pack. They have this sustainable talent. They also are doing things in a measured way. They are not trying to shove themselves down other peoples’ throats. That usually does not work very well anyway. So, considering the take of the author, even though they were evaluating companies, figuring the future of the talents involved, JYJ has a leg up.
“TVXQ(the real one)” Love that ^^ (no, not sarcasm) ^^
In the case of SNSD…..pushing them down people’s throats is working for SME in Korea =____=
SME also uses a propaganda ‘hype-machine’. Their artists never achieve as much as the articles claim they have. It is sad that people cannot think for themselves but fall for the ‘hype’ with no substance or facts to back it up.
But, then generally people around the world DO fall for propaganda easily. The fact is….if SME gets the right connections in America and SNSD is everywhere they probably will get a fanbase…..but it won’t last long (Note: Lady Gaga)
@J.Y.J Fan
“SME also uses a propaganda ‘hype-machine’. Their artists never achieve as much as the articles claim they have. It is sad that people cannot think for themselves but fall for the ‘hype’ with no substance or facts to back it up.”
Oh, man, is THAT ever the truth!! Thanks for pointing that out, Pheonixia because in my experience, since I’ve been keeping a close eye on how they operate, SM is NOTORIOUS for hyperbole, exaggeration and out and out misrepresentation of the facts of the alleged achievements of their acts. They hand out pre-written press releases and the SK entertainment press (God only knows what perks these lazy journalists receive from SM for the favor) just go ahead and report/print them word for word. It’s a scandal, but once again, nobody says anything about it. Where SM is concerned, “Omerta” is the order of the day because everybody knows they play dirty and they play rough if you don’t go along with them….
J.Y.J. Fan
“The fact is….if SME gets the right connections in America and SNSD is everywhere they probably will get a fanbase…..but it won’t last long (Note: Lady Gaga)”
I’m not sure I agree with you there. SNSD were and will continue to be trashed by the music press here. They are just exactly the kind of superficial no substance act that music critics here hate. It may work in SK where SM can control everything but not in the U.S.
You’re right propaganda is easy to fall for. Goodness knows in today’s world folks with gimmicks are all over the place…a la Lady Gaga. That’s what good marketers do, they sell.
But and here is the but, regarding SNSD, I’m not too sure. Even if they are to garner a fanbase, I doubt if it will be large. Groups as large as SNSD are just not that popular. They are more like a gimmick. Honestly, do you really believe the kinds of songs they sing will go over well in the States? I have a hard time with that one. Somehow, I just don’t see a lot of calls at the radio stations for “The Boys”. First off djs here are notorious for putting the brakes on anything that doesn’t work.
Anyone who is completely objective will tell you that appearance on David Letterman was a disaster. If you checked out the comments about that show, you will see what I mean. I’m talking about those who are fans of his show, not desperate kpop aficianados.
But then again, I would not be listening to a radio station that plays them. I only frequent Urban Contemporary, and RnB stations. JYJ are more likely to appear on those than SNSD. Then we get into lives. Putting all other things aside. Those who can put on a killer live are going to get the attention from the concert going crowd and the critics of those kinds of events. Make no mistake about it. If SME artists bring lipsyncing to the game, they will be history before you know it. I have seen some brutal write ups by music critics here in the States. You simply cannot buy them.
But time will tell. I subscribe to the theory that quality out trumps quantity. The entertainment industry’s roadkill is all over the place. But quality stands the test of time. Look at the ones who are still around, no flash in the pans there.
I agree with you BAF ^^ But in America I have also seen many stars who don’t deserve hype (can’t sing; are generally overrated) become and remain super famous.
I still don’t understand why Kanye West and Katy Perry are so famous. Neither can really sing….and honestly (to me) their songs are mediocre. Kanye won the best rapist of the year……but I thought that award should have gone to Eminem….who has lyrical depth and beats too. I agree with you that if SNSD got a fan-base then it would be small in the states and probably teeny-boppers. Because honestly, SME reminds me of the ‘Disney’ of Korea….manufactured goods and all. The only difference Disney’s characters don’t age….but the characters in SME do age.
Honestly the best English song I have heard from a KPop artist is Nell’s Beautiful Stranger. That, is good! Also, a large group will never work. Generally, people in America already stereotype Asians as ‘looking all the same’. SNSD would be too confusing…and if people have to use energy to learn their names then it doesn’t work. Also, they all DO look pretty much the same….with the 110 lbs, skinny legs, and longish hair.
Like the idols of America can even sing (aka Justin Beiber, Taylor Swift, One Direction ,etc.). But, all SNSD members cannot sing nor have a distinctive personality.
Also I find it REALLY curious how YG Groups on the international stage have achieved more….but get less coverage in Korea. On the other hand, SNSD has barely achieved anything but gotten massive amounts of coverage. It really gives the impression that SME has MANY people in their ‘pockets’. I mean seriously, both BigBanf and 2NE1 won awards at international award programs……..but they are not as well known as SNSD prancing around on Lettermen and giving the one guy a boner =____= If SNSD EVER won an award on an international stage of that caliber….Korea would NEVER shut up about it.
@J.Y.J. fan ^______^ (@PheonixiaJJ) ∞
Yes, there are numerous artists who have hit it big, and to say the least, their talent is marginal, or questionable. Such is the nature of the entertainment industry. Again, this goes to marketing. Also, liking a particular artist is subjective.
I wouldn’t know Katy Perry’s voice if I tripped over it. For the most part, I’m not into rap, but I can dig it when it appears in a song I like, by an artist I like. I simply don’t go out and buy it for the genre. Eminem is not someone I would cross the street to hear for free, but that’s just me. The whole world thinks the Rolling Stones are the bomb…I’ve never been that desperate for entertainment. See? What one person likes, someone else is not going to give the time of day.
But with Kpop, and SME acts in particular, Kpop is a niche genre. It will have to grow on people. Either it will or it won’t. Here in the States for a Kpop group to become HUGE, and I’m not talking about being popular with a certain interest fanbase, you better have something more to show folks besides legs and/or abs and dyed hair. Prancing around on stage in a big group with no hint of vocal talent is going to grow old fast. Especially when EVERY group that comes over, does the same thing.
Latin music is huge here because there is a sizeable Spanish speaking population in the States. It also appeals across the spectrum to other ethnicities. It has established itself, even though there are tons of different genres in its mix. It ain’t going any place.
Kpop is a derivative genre. It’s foundation is RnB/Hip Hop. Guess who is going to scrutinize you like crazy? Granted the majority population is larger, but one thing is very clear, if your music is based on using black music as your foundation, the white population that supports it financially is going be picky as well. The crossover effect is huge. I personally feel if JYJ were really smart, they will head straight to the black community and get large there first. I’ve been surprised at the number of black online sites that talk about Kpop. They surfaced during the Jenny Hyung blowup. Quite a number of them mentioned JYJ, favorably. The white community has always latched onto black music, no matter what the genre, no matter what the era. Check it out.
SNSD is big in SK because SME spends a mountain of money to promote them. They are cute on stage. Some have more talent than others. Their songs are not exactly blockbuster compositions, but they suffice — over there. But you take them out of SK and what do they have to offer? Like I said before, they will appear mostly as a gimmick. Solo gimmicks may last longer, but groups? I seriously doubt it. Funny, I’ve always thought, given SM’s talent at marketing, if this is all they did, can you image how huge that company would be after all these years? But then again, we wouldn’t have JYJ.
I think YG is taking his crew international on purpose. He knows the game SM is playing. Even though they are all in bed together, does not mean they will follow each other around like sheep. A good businessman will look over his business sector and choose the path that best suits his purposes. SM has already stated they are going to focus on China next and digital music offerings. Doesn’t sound like serious movement to the West to me. Sure they will test the waters, but I bet they don’t go as serious as the other two. So, why not take advantage of the market your rival is not that serious about. JYP has been foraging over in the States for years now, so it is natural for him to come over.
These are just my perspectives, I’m not a fortune teller, but I’ve been around for a while. Seen them come and go.
@PheonixiaJJ
Some members in SNSD can sing; Taeyeon, Tiffany and SeoHyun. The rest are so-so and need to challenge themselves in order to improve but they never do so I’m sure they’ll stay the same.
Kanye West is a producer and his earlier works have a lot more depth than Eminem’s. I’m sorry but Eminem is disgusting. I don’t know if you are a casual listener or not but going back in both of their careers I find Kanye a tad bit more tolerable than Eminem. (but not by much) Eminem has had some tracks that I do like but most of them are about: women who piss him off, his ex wife Kim, his mother (lord! his mother) and sometimes his daughter (ooohhh~ you have a daughter woopdeedoo!) I like him better when he jokes around or sings about things that truly mattered in his life (Sing for the moment, Criminal, The way I am). I actually found him hilarious (in a very inappropriate way) when he was with D12. Shame about Proof. RIP.
I also find that he pretty much always sings (well raps, really) in the same tone and always sounds like he is angry.
Kanye showed some real potential (The College Dropout and Late Registration) but then he got really cocky and started going downhill. That Taylor Swift incident was really stupid. Both Eminem and Kanye West are serious rappers though so they also release other tracks they don’t include in their albums. They also have some really good collab. songs.
Katy Perry….eww..no words. I only kind of liked E.T.
SNSD’s problem: I don’t think it so much about vocals (though of course it is important) but rather the zero originality and creativity that they have. I’ve seen some of their concerts online……urgh….such cookie-cutter songs. The rest is interpretations of other artists because they just don’t have “fresh” i.e. cool material of their own. There is nothing wrong with doing a cover of someone else’s song but when that is a major (4o%~ish) part of your concert…..that isn’t good.
@BAF
“I personally feel if JYJ were really smart, they will head straight to the black community and get large there first. I’ve been surprised at the number of black online sites that talk about Kpop. They surfaced during the Jenny Hyung blowup. Quite a number of them mentioned JYJ, favorably. The white community has always latched onto black music, no matter what the genre, no matter what the era. Check it out.”
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And JYJ did do that but unfortunately Kanye West didn’t fork over his best material. I really think the reason for this is JYJ’s level of English. Yoochun understands English but let us be honest he isn’t fluent. Sometimes he stutters or goes over things when he speaks but he seems to understand what people say to him just fine. I’ve seen improvement in all three of them but I sometimes wish fans wouldn’t forget that just because they sing their songs more fluently that it means that all of a sudden they are fluent in English. They are getting there. T__________________T God I’ll go crazy!!!!!!!!
If the people of the U.S. wanted to see some T&A on stage….well…..we already have our own entertainers for that so….sorry SNSD. Find some real flow and then you can test the waters here.
@retrokim
“The Beginning” was just that, the beginning. I constantly try and ask people to remember, the lack of depth of the lyrics to the songs was intentional. Everyone involved in the production understood their English language skills were lacking. KEEP IT SIMPLE. There is ample time for them to bone up and become more capable. Give them grooves that make you want to move. I still say the best of all of them were their solos, and the guys wrote the lyrics for those.
Yoochun should insist Yoowhan speak to him only in English and follow YW’s diction. The child still has it. Chunnie has been away from the States for too long. It’s like me needing to go back to my HS Spanish class.
I believe that the continued association with producers like Yusef Malik, Bruce Vanderveer(sp), is going to put them in proximity to the target audience. Just MHO.
@retrokim I don’t follow Eminem per say….so lol bashing him is fine by me. I get ticked off when he swears too much in his songs =___= I just find Eminem’s rapping (in some of his current music) more appealing to me than some of Kanye’s rapping (that I have currently heard). I have not heard any of Kanye’s ‘big hit’ compositions so I cannot comment on that. The reason I started liking KPop was because I was tired and bored of Western music. Like…….I found DBSK at a point in my life when I hadn’t listened to the radio in a whole year.
I know Those SNSD members can sing. But, still their voices individually are not my cup of tea. When singing solo Taeyeon has no soul, and Seohyun sounds like a robot. I really liked TTS’s single…..but it was ruined for me whenever they went into ‘I’m so cute voices’. If those weren’t used then I would have liked it more. If Seohyun gets over her ‘robot’ phase…..or stiffness she could probably become a good singer…..but I think she needs to go solo first and stop hiding behind her unnie’s.
In America….SNSD is no less than a ‘cheerleader’ groups…….but in America even cheerleader groups can sing and dance better. Like some of those flips are CRAZY!
And I actually really liked some songs in The Beginning. If their English had improved those songs would be so much better! I still love listening to Empty and Still in Love….even though their English is not that good. But, they will get their IF they want to. I am still not sure what JYJ’s plans for America are….?
I would prefer they work with Darkchild. I like his music better.
Also, I think that JYJ are just not putting effort into learning English pronunciation. They have better things to do at the moment. I have a prof who recently went to Korea….and she said that a growing number of people in Seoul can speak English now. Like Boa and Se7en learned English too………..I wonder why JYJ is not trying….?
But who knows maybe they will surprise us all, with their next international album……….whenever that will be?
@BAF2
That makes perfect sense. But if I find that they are neglecting their English I will go over to South Korea and slap them simultaneously. How? With both hands and my long ponytail. Seriously their potential! If they waste that I’ll kill them!
@PheonixiaJJ
I do like some of his music but there are times where he goes way too far. If you listen to some of his older music you’ll see what I mean. I can understand why you would be more ummm….what is the word? impressed? no…whatever.., of Eminem than Kanye West because his stuff lately has been bad and he does have a less attractive voice than Eminem and other rappers.
SeoHyun seems to be a very reclusive person and in my opinion a bit of a child. I find her strange because she seems to do fine when she wants to but then she reverts back to this “stiff maknae” stuff and she prefers to hide behind the others. She reminds me a bit of Changmin when he was in DB5K. Both were (and still are) too old to be acting that way but whatever. Seriously why pick to be an idol if you are gonna be like that? I’m not saying she has to be crazy and out there but…damn! show some enthusiasm for what you do! Geez.
Taeyeon is used to compliments. She is the leader and the guys like her and SME of course backs her up but none of that will help her when she sings. She has a nice voice but she reminds me of BoA. Talented but no soul, doesn’t push herself too much, doesn’t take risks. SME dictates her career. She was the one who admitted that she would be upset if her children ever became idols so maybe she is in discontent but rather than fight it she has surrendered to her contract. I find it is a vicious cycle. I’m pretty sure the majority of the idols in SME understand their situation but either deny it or see no way they can fight like JYJ has and so accept their fate until the contract is over. She may be one of those idols.
@PhoenixiaJJ
I thought this conversation was extremely interesting so I hope you don’t mind if I butt in lol. This is just my opinion on the whole “KPOP dominating America/the world” thing that a lot Kpop fans (mainly SME and YG fans) seem to have their head wrapped around. Personally what these fans say, or excuse me how they trash the American music industry by stating that their idols are miles and miles more talented than the hitmakers of mainstream pop music irritates me to no extent. Like yes pop singers aren’t exactly anywhere close to Led Zepplin’s songwriting or Whitney Houston’s vocals but.. Come on Sis.
So for the whole “dominating America/the West”, most definitely NOT with these acts currently active. They have a lot that are working against them such as the things mentioned above (groups aren’t exactly hits anymore unless people find you “attractive”, plus these are LARGE groups, lack of English, etc) Yes, One Direction is a hit but let’s be real, that’s only because 1. They’re “attractive” in the eyes of target their market (which is what KPOP groups also aim for) 2. They’re freaking British (which adds extra appeal since we all know how heavily sexualized accents, in this case British accents, are here in America plus teenage girls tend to find British men extremely attractive. (I don’t know why, they’re just guys right?)). As for hype, have we not learned from Lady Gaga’s Born This Way album? Sold 1 million copies in its first week and was declared to be the anthem of our generation.. but how many songs went number 1? How many records were bought from those who weren’t part of her fanbase? How many songs actually made an impact since this album was suppose to contain “the anthem of our generation”? The only single from this album that actually did go number 1 (correct me if I’m wrong) was the title track, Born This Way. THAT right there shows that relying solely on hype will never work. It didn’t even work for THE Lady Gaga, so what makes these KPop stars think it’ll work for them? And speaking of pop stars, many kpop fans like to say that their favorites clearly sing better than pop acts such as Katy Perry or Rihanna, or any of the pop stars that are in the top 10 but do these fans not realize how much CONTROL these pop stars have over their careers? These idols can be the greatest singers but this is the pop industry. Yes, Rihanna and Katy Perry can’t sing live but they are both in COMPLETE AND UTTER CONTROL of their careers. They pick the songs they want to release and they control their image. You think Rihanna cared about being caught smoking weed in public or partying late at night? NOPE, actually she did it on purpose! Eff that, this is HER career and SHE will do whatever she pleases! She doesn’t care if her management tells her no, she’ll do what she wants (i.e doing a song with Chris Brown, who assaulted her back in 2009 mind you). And Katy Perry? Wrote/Co-wrote all/most of her songs of her biggest album, Teenage Dream. She also calls the shots on what she wears, how she wants her hair to be, what her tours going to be like, what direction her music will take and etc. Same thing with Lady Gaga. KPOP idols? LOL NOPE! They get no choice in there albums and how they should be promoted. Didn’t Junsu just say in his latest interview the only thing they had control over was their hairstyles? And mind you these 3 ladies especially Katy Perry and Rihanna always get dragged down when it comes to KPOP making it to America. “Taeyeon sings SOOOO much better than Katy and Rihanna!!! They’ll definitely make it!” Maybe it is true that she sings better, but does her star potential match that of Katy’s or Rihanna’s? Does it encompass it or does it fall far behind? Talent is great, but if these idols want to make it mainstream (which I bet you they oh so desperately do!) in any industry ESPECIALLY a industry filled with heavy competition such as America’s, they’re going to need way more than that.
Another example just to get my point across: Taylor Swift, who can’t dance for her life and is possibly one of the worst live singers active today, writes her own songs. She wrote her entire Speak Now album, every single song. She has either written or co-written her entire discography, although her songs are not exactly deep or anywhere near Adele’s level. So these are examples of 4 singers that a large majority of KPOP fans like to put down and say their idol is obviously more talented since they can ~belt~ songs and are “vocal powerhouses”. Girl please.
OKAY! My rant has ended and I apologize for the grammatical errors. I’ve always struggled with grammar, stupid English and it’s commas -_-.
@Green Bean Creature
I agree with all your points. There are many things KPop artists lack in their attempt to ‘be perfect’. One of the biggest things is stage charisma. There are many people in America who can’t sing live….but once they get on stage people can’t look away from them.
There are VERY few Kpop groups who actually have this charisma…or spark. Where it seems like they ALSO enjoy what they are doing and are having a blast.
Tbh I don’t watch other groups concert fancams…..but sometimes I’ll watch their live shows. Most of those groups are concerned with perfect synchronization and singing. For example, I think T-ara as a group have a few good singer….and some good songs but on stage they are dead. Same with Shinee.
I love that JYJ feed off the audience’s energy when they are on stage. But, besides this even when they were DBSK they had a commanding stage presence. And their material stuck out. Many of the solo artists in Korea have this stage presence though. Hyori/Ailee/Psy/etc. They control the stage, the stage does not control them.
I think BigBang is good too…..but sometimes there material gets boring to watch live because of the stage presence issue. But, so far Bigbang is following trends that are very western and their MVs are not lacking.
@Green Bean Creature Wearing A Pink Hat and @PheonixiaJJ) ∞
I thoroughly enjoyed your comments about the conquering of the West, ‘ours are better than theirs’, artist career control, and stage presence.
As you both mentioned, kpop fans believe the hype put out by these management companies, and they run with it. When they don’t take in the big picture and correctly assess what the situation really is, these fans run the risk of being on the wrong side of history.
Being in control of your own career is HUGE. Granted it’s not always a formula for success, but it sure doesn’t hurt. Most artists who have any kind of longevity in the music industry, no matter where they come from, have control over what they do. U2 to me has probably been the biggest beneficiary of this model. Nobody tells them what to put out, how to put it out, OR how to engage with their fans worldwide. Look at the success they have. The artists you both cited showcase your points exactly.
When your Korean management company tells you how your life is going to go while you are under contract with them, kiss it goodbye. Your dreams are not going to come true. There is not one artist under SME who could have given the kind of interview Junsu just gave. You have to be able to let people know who is in control. Whenever I read a JYJ interview, I know I’m going to see the thoughts of artists who know what it is they want to do, know how to articulate it, and describe how they are going to do it.
The American/Western music/entertainment industry is not perfect, no one’s is. But what exists over here is a lot more freedom than exists in SK. Artists here will make it or break it on their own. There will be some more successful than others. Economics will also play a big role. Money is a lot tighter than it used to be. Big shows offering multiple artists will definitely be a draw. But at the end of the day, how much of those proceeds are going to find their way into the pockets of the artists on those big show bills? When JYJ/JYJ solo artist performs, their share of the proceeds are — bigger!
Those who stand the test of time are those who have control. The list is long. If kpop fans really think they are going to see world domination any time soon, they are in for a huge surprise. How many of those artists actually put out an album that has more than one or two (at most) chart releasible songs? This is what keeps you from being a one hit wonder. When you are able to engage in a promotional newspaper/magazne interview and express your feelings about YOUR compositions, that will gain people’s attention.
When I watched JYJ on stage live in NJ last year, I was blown away. JYJ have IT. The IT that says, I have talent, music, charisma, stage presence, and skills. This is what separates the pros from the amateurs. Audiences who will be coming to hear and see them for the first time will come away impressed.
@butterfliesarefree2
thanks for replying. i know this is a lame response, but i completely agree with what you’ve said, esp with the last paragraph about JYJ.
“It is not the strong that survive, but rather the ones that survive are strong’, then with exception to BoA, there are no “strong” artists.”
I’m aware no one here is big fans of SM artist.. nonetheless, I thought the ending to the quote “then with exception to BoA, there are no “strong” artists” was unnecessary……….if you put the quote together along with the ending……the Allkpop writer presumes to predict the future….if the writer believes that ” It is not the strong that survive, but rather the ones that survive are strong” how does the author know who will survive?…
None of the SM artist besides Yunho and Max (fandom and group split) have met any hurdles…so in my opinion the survival process has not yet begun…when Kpop or SM Entertainment artist success dwindles down significantly than will know who will survive….as for now no one can predict who’s career will survive…we can guess but will never know…until change and some shakeups happen in SM…so the author saying only Boa is a strong artist…is presumptuous because those less established artist haven’t met their potential yet.
As for Exo…I don’t know much about them because I only follow JYJ, TVXQ, Big Bang, and 2NE1..so I can’t say if the writer is right or wrong about their success..however there were some fans who rebuffed the writers comments about their lack of success on Allkpop…nonetheless, even if they weren’t successful as the author states…
I think EXO still deserves another chance… to hone their craft because after all their just rookies…the author should remember that most musicians have humble beginnings..and need to work hard before they find immediate success.
There are a few problems with Exo.
1) TOO much focus on Kai
2) The general rule in SME that when one group is large….no group will be as ‘large/popular’ as them. Case: When DBSK5 existed they were the largest for miles in SME. Now that they have broken apart……SNSD is the largest. Suju is also gaining steam/getting some recognition. It is unfortunate….but groups like Shinee and Exo will not become as big as their sunbaes until their sunbaes leave the spotlight. That is how the SME system works. They focus all their ‘best material’ on the top group.
3) With the over-saturation of idols……Exo seriously brought nothing new. They are like a bland version of DBSK/Shinee/Suju. Newer groups are being more innovative while SME is sticking to the cookie-cutter model. For example, B.A.P. really caught my attention because of their military type songs.
4) too much shipping =.= , i mean shipper/yaoi :p
@Daisy: i was once a big fan of SM artist (not DBSK) and still watch their new releases (and i have to resist the temptation of buying their album, oh well). i think his/her assesment about EXO is spot on. while EXO sales aren’t that bad, i don’t think they’re popular within general audiences in SK. therefore, with the amount of promotion SM trying to give to EXO, i personally think their debut is a huge flop. remember 2NE1? Miss A? they’re newbies but their songs skyrocketed at once, charting at #1 right from their debut, and generally popular in korea. that is debut done right. yeah, maybe they’ll get better by day, even f(x) need a year or so to gain their popularity. but with this massive amount of newly debut idols, if they keep their current style which isn’t standout from other idols, i don’t think they can carry on the “SM new generation” title.
anyway, this is NOT allkpop writers’ work. they merely translated editorial/op-ed of korean journalist. fyi, there’re lots of editorials in korean media, it’s just sites like allkpop who have good translators decided to translate crappy news like twitter update instead.
@noiha
I do like some SM artist other than TVXQ…I have listened to Shinee, FX, and Boa ( I know a lot of people dislike BOA here…but I won’t lie..I do listen to her )…I think EXO has tough shoes to fill and I hope they won’t crumble under the pressure and like you said it will take years for them to improve…I have to check EXO out again because I stopped paying any attention to them…I think its because of their video…I didn’t like it..I don’t visit Allkpop as much anymore..last year I visited almost everyday…now I just read DBSK/JYJ related news from different fansites and twitter….thanks for telling me the article was a translation.
But the one caught my eyes most is this : “It is not the strong that survive, but rather the ones that survive are strong’, then with exception to BoA, there are no “strong” artists.”
And Jae-Chun-Su yet strong but choose not to survive within the company, they chose to leave through the hardest way out. And really only Boa is strong? how about the remaining gods?
this is a reply to @noiha
I think that point was referring to the groups SME created…..and that are still in-tact under SME. But I wonder why the original poster did not mention both Boa and SNSD?
Maybe the writer is not convinced of SNSD’s strength yet.
@kris @PheonixiaJJ:
that line also caught my interest.
but after i read it again, i think the writer is fair enough as (i think) he/she limited the definition of “strong” here as someone who is “strong in the company”. as everyone has known, boa isn’t mere employers to sm. therefore, despite her album flopped or her popularity decrease, she’ll still has her way to release another album and keep herself relevant in the industry. and this is definitely not the case of other sm idols’ cases.
*and this is definitely not the case of other sm idols.
Just wanna share. You won’t believe this… but I choose JYJ as my presentation topic for today English Presentation class for employee… Everyone look so excited when they hear my explanation about JYJ and the dark side of k-pop business.. they ask about the best song, the album title, and my favourite member ^^ It feels so good when you have the opportunity to share something that you like
Wow. That’s great! It must have been fun!
Has anyone read this from Yahoo Japan….(FYI this was translated using Google translator..hopefully someone will fully translate it).
“To the stage with five people …” reconciliation JYJ TVXQ members called for
“Trial of SM and JYJ entertainment are at odds with the issues surrounding an exclusive contract of TVXQ. ” Sentencing was scheduled to leave at 10 am at the Seoul Central District Court on July 19, it was found that both are facing the re-conciliation towards reconciliation ” in the date 19 “paper Chosun Ilbo South Korea”, Yunho (26) (26), (25), we reported that three of JYJ (26) arrives at the table of reconciliation Junsu Yoochun Jaejoong and TVXQ (24), and Changmin. It’s filed a lawsuit in SM of the previous member firm of three people JYJ that of July 2009. The midst of a circle followed by three years of legal battle Dorojiai, arbitration has been scheduled for August 10, What would it be like the situation to meet the expectations of fans want the voice of reconciliation. Pak Indon lawyer has a lawyer in Korea, working in Japan will see this. “If there is no prospect of resolution is likely to stand in the trial, will discuss both parties to present a proposed settlement. At this time, if both parties agree, settlement is established.” This thing “towards reconciliation, . “I think I can say that both parties conceded that there is also a monetary solution Anyway, the reason for the settlement movement came out of this timing is what -. I do not want to let the image down for more than this also JYJ each other “, the trial’re going to stop it is not real intention. Also TVXQ, prolonging the dispute. They want to settle early, especially because of the trial, Japan in Korea will more JYJ activities virtually, has been limited but (official music of Korea) arbitration of six times in the arbitration of time. failure. What would it be like resolution and smoothly up to this “JYJ, the severe conditions I think if enacted, “I want to reconcile this time” even accept, seems to determine the resolution. a settlement for some, there is a possibility standing on the same stage aligned five people in programs such as music. broadcast of Korea station side, · · · I hope the co-star from two pairs of very (official music earlier)”
Yahoo Japan
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20120724-00000303-jisin-ent forgot to add link.
Will JYJ and SM come to reconciliation? Will they team back together?
Oh, I think it’s about the supposed final verdict on 19th July and also the Arbitration submitted by SM. I guess the article was about the writer’s view on this case. Anyway, if anyone proficient in Japanese, may interested to translate.
For me, I prefer to see “Action speak louder than words”.
Translation:
“Information regarding JYJ vs SM lawsuit on 19th July, Korean newspaper “CHOSEN-NIPPO”
Yunho & Changmin (TVXQ) and Junsu, Jaejoong, & Micky (JYJ) will be sit down together in the 19th settlement on the negotiating table for RECONCILLIATION.
Trial of JYJ and SM entertainment conflict which is the problem of TVXQ’s exclusive contract will meet both (JYJ&TVXQ) on the negotiation table. This is the result of negotation which was hold on 19th July 10:00 ago at Seoul Central District Court.
“It’s comes from a lawsuit with SM which three people JYJ did on July 2009. The midst of a circle on three years of legal battle which will be scheduled on 8th October 2012, will make decisions, MAYBE meet the expectations of fans who was hoping the reconcilliation of the settlement”
The Lawyer Mr. Park In Don said, “If there’s no future prospect for the settlement, we decided to make a final decision about this settlement. Both side are agree to finish the settlement and make the last final decision.”
The reason why we made the settlement end up earrlier cause we wont let TVXQ’s and JYJ’s image down because of this. We want to end this earlier, cause we don’t want JYJ’s activities restricted in Japan and Korea because of the lawsuit.
So far we was fail to made final answer for 6 negotiation before, we sure in the last negotiation will be the final answer. JYJ so far accepting severe conditions from it, we prepared and want to settle it down quickly.
There wil be a possibillities of five of them to stand again as 5 in music program.
From South Korea Broadcasting, “We hope from the two co-stars”
How will JYJ’s fans feel about the above?
@LLee
Thank you for this translation,
but by just reading the first line, it makes it a total crap. I think the writer is highly drugged or just trying to write a fanfic.
@Kris
“Thank you for this translation,
but by just reading the first line, it makes it a total crap. I think the writer is highly drugged or just trying to write a fanfic.”
I think there is some confusion in translation of the words settlement and reconciliation. Legally of course, and in any other way, they are NOT the same thing. A settlement implies an out of court agreement of terms to let JYJ go and a dollar amount SM will pay them for damages and back royalties. A reconciliation is something quite different and implies the reunion of the career of them as five.
Is anyone saying that SM has lost this case so badly that they will now freely give up their rights to the name DBSK along with the The remaining Two?? I haven’t seen any evidence of SM doing anything that financially disadvantageous to themselves let alone the disastrous P.R of losing the last portion of their Cash Cow Extraordinaire.
SM doesn’t like to lose. I think that’s a given. That’s why they are trying to settle behind closed doors now, with the settlement amount of course a closely held secret. Are they merely going through the motions again, stalling again or are they actually as righteously SICK of all this as the fans are??
Time will tell.
aihhhhhh i dislike this article
Whatever is that, but thinking of reconciliation and seeing JYJ + 2 Sm idols standing/singing on the same stage is nauseating for me. JYJ definitely doesn’t need reconciliation , they just need the final WIN verdict of the lawsuit both in SK and Japan.
Can I call this another piece of crap? For the past 2 years, I’ve lost count of similar articles/rumors talking about possible reunion, reconciliation, etc., but did any of that come true? The one having requested for arbitration many times is SME, how come suddenly it’s JYJ who want a settlement out of court? >__> Every one is expecting JYJ to win this case, so there’s no reason for them to back down and settle for anything less. It’s SME who keeps delaying the announcement of the final verdict. Since when have TV2XQ got involved or had a say in this matter? This is the lawsuit between JYJ and SME over unfair contracts and profit distributions, not about the disbandment or reunification of an idol group. Is that lawyer directly involved in the case? Which side does he represent? Where did he get the information from? If they don’t want the lawsuit to affect JYJ’s image or hinder their activities in Korea and Japan, why didn’t they let the Court announce the final verdict on July 19? SME applied for arbitration a week before the final ruling day, and now they said they want to end it earlier for JYJ? Total bullshit! I wonder which side such negotiation will benefit. From my point of view, not really JYJ. The translation that LLee provided is full of grammatical errors and thus so darn confusing to me. I’ll wait for more legit information/updates rather than believing in news such as this. SMH.
@Angie
Ha, ha! Totally agree with you. When I first read the translation, I was wondering when did SM become so poor that they have to resort to redeploying Homin to act as negotiators in the arbitration on Aug 19? It doesn’t make much sense that the 5 of them are sitting down to negotiate a reconciliation when the lawsuit was never between JYJ and Homin in the first place. I hope this newspaper isn’t another crappy tabloid like Dispatch which was out to spread lies and rumours about JYJ early this year.
On a serious note, I too hope that JYJ will not quietly settle for arbitration but push for a court verdict. Even if they lose (which is highly unlikely), they would have already exposed SM’s unfair contract practices for the whole world.to see. Unless graft has invaded the South Korean courts (as it did the President’s brother and his close aides), I predict a big WIN for JYJ.
IKR! This is so ridiculous. Once you become informed it is truly amazing because things like this can’t sway you but alas it seems many fans don’t have the interest or energy to actually keep up with the news and believe this stupid bull the minute it comes out. The part about Homin was just risable!
All of this kind of drivel that comes out before ANY settlement of this lawsuit, is just that, drivel. You take it with a grain of salt. The only thing you can bank on is that SME is desperate to keep from having to compensate JYJ what they truly deserve.
They know the contract is going to be declared invalid. LSM/SME need to feed their jones to cause pain to JYJ for exposing the stench that exists inside that company. But the need for their fix is clouding their minds to the fact that the Universe is going to reward all those appropriately the way they should be rewarded.
“They know the contract is going to be declared invalid”.
That’s a given.
My only fear is that our bottles of champagne will rot in the refrigerator before we have a verdict…
Nah, that won’t happen. We just have to create our own reason for pulling them out and opening! Remember, we DO NOT ALLOW others to dictate what and how we feel!
We can simply pull them out for the heck of it for a JYJ Booster Party/Rally! Any excuse will do!
Let’s put our thinking caps on folks!
Even though August 10, 2012 is simply a ‘get acquainted’ gathering – snark, snark – why not use that date as a JYJ Booster Party/Rally? We could even invite Mr. Egg to join us!
My dear friend, as you know Italians are cheerfull and light-hearted …
Always ready to party, whenever and whatever the reason is! Even in times of austerity!
Neesan!!! How are you? How is Big Bear? Hope all is well on the dark side (since it’s the light side on my half right now LOL!)
@springbok
Hi hi, my dear Hawaiian little sis! \(^_^)/
Everything is fine. My hubby is pretty good, only a bad seasonal allergy is tormenting him.
I missed you all, particularly you and my oneesan Baffie.
I’m so happy to have such a heartwarming come back!
Whenever I hide in the dark for a long time, I’m afraid that my comments pass unnoticed, but I always find a friend ready to greet me. It’s always a good feeling to know someone missed me, especially if she’s someone that I hold in high regard.
I have a question for you. Have you recognized the places where JYJ shot for their photobook? Did you ever went there? I’m just so curious…
@Ellis
hahaha i confess I haven’t peeked yet. I was going to hold out until my copy arrived… but that’s like a whole nother month away X__X
So I peeked for you LOL! The pictures with the wind farm in the background, I’d guess are either on the Big Island or Maui, though I’m inclined to say Big Island based on the vegetation and turbine arrangement, either the Ka’u farm or the Kohala farm. The lava pictures look like they are Big Island also, either Ka’u again or upper Kona/Kawaihae area, based on the lava/vegetation and the mamami trees. I don’t think Oahu has that kind of landscape, and I don’t recall seeing it on Maui either. And Kauai is just too wet to have any area look like that LOL!
LOL see what you got me into? I think the pictures are from the Kamaoa Wind Farm, which had its last turbine removed in April, replaced by the Pakini Nui wind farm. There are pictures in this album that make me think this is the one, based on turbine angles, the road, vegetation, and the lava wall on the right side of the road behind JYJ:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elisfanclub/sets/72157628553342081/with/6564049891/
Ok, let’s see if I can do these pictures. Not sure if it’s going to embed them or link to them, so if it doesn’t work properly I’ll post the links in separate replies here:
Kamaoa Wind Farm 01:
http://a.yfrog.com/img217/6560/q0fw.jpg
Kamaoa Wind Farm 02:
http://a.yfrog.com/img692/4996/nwkw.jpg
These two are just for fun since I found them in the set that that eliduke guy had uploaded.
The concrete bridge in the middle (not the red one, the one behind that) is the spot where me and hubby got married
http://a.yfrog.com/img337/7389/tmtf.jpg
The building all the way to the right of this pic is the place I work for, though thankfully I don’t go up there very often.
http://a.yfrog.com/img692/6749/cl9c.jpg
@Ellis
My first reply is awaiting moderation (about the windfarms). But in the meantime, here is the honu mural they are taking pictures of:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM4JNW_Honu_Mural_Kailua_Kona_HI
@Ellis
Found one more for you:
The photos of Captain Jack are from here: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Wyland+Galleries+of+Hawaii+Kailua+Kona
it’s google maps, if you click “street view” by the “A” you can see the captain jack on his red bench in the middle of the picture
LOL this is like a treasure hunt. Here’s another. Again, switch to street view and you’ll see the pink/red surfboard that’s in the background of some of their shots.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Royal+Gold+Kailua+Kona+Alii
anyone guess who’s the guest of next eps of Running Man???
it’s Han Ji Min!!!!
so happy cause FINALLY one of the cast of RTP is be the guest of RM.
but, why didn’t they invite Yoochun too along with HJM???
#although we all know what the answer is, still.. it’s upsetting
*hugs*
I know….the lead is just ignored and they give the dumbest reasons…..
while i love han ji min, i’m not really fond of actors/actress without variety experiences guesting on running man. jaesuk-guest eat up the whole airtime, other members neglected, and stagged victory. meh.
i hope han ji min can bring something new to the table.
I really hope the lawsuit gets a settlement in their favor. its been such a long trial.I really would like to see JYJ perform more on broadcast television,radio etc. They are such great entertainers apart from being an actor and singer….I really hope one day I could see them in running man…! watching some clips posted by fans online on Jaejoong wanting to have a girlfriend…LOL..If Jaejoong could be casted in WGM with another celeb,it would be such a great deal for us fans…..! What do you think?
i wonder whose the lucky girl will it be? but i don’t prefer a romantic couple in WGM recently. i prefer a funny couple like hwangbo & kim hyunjoong. they’re such a cute couple
What is WGM? But, I will more love if Jae with Ji hye ssi from Protect the Boss. They are soooooooooo adorable to me
I’m not really that familiar as to how the South Korean justice system works, but I asked my father about the differences of arbitration and court verdicts and he said that usually arbitration is preferred primarily because of the privacy but also because you cannot appeal it if you settle out of court. Meaning that once an arbitration is done and it is settled, no more going to a higher court, it’s just done. :O
@Dea
” I asked my father about the differences of arbitration and court verdicts and he said that usually arbitration is preferred primarily because of the privacy but also because you cannot appeal it if you settle out of court. Meaning that once an arbitration is done and it is settled, no more going to a higher court, it’s just done.”
Ahh, thank you! OK, that ONE decent reason for JYJ’s side to consider arbitration.(before yours, Dea, I couldn’t think of a single one.) But here’s what I keep thinking – WHO will this arbitrator be and will SM have “gotten to him” by any chance?? Ask your Dad about this, but arbitrators are not officers of the court, they’re just ~people~ who come in and try to settle things. (Granted, I’m sure they have experience in doing the job.) But I am just so distrustful of the level of SM’s deceitful acts and the lengths that they have gone to hamper and interfere with JYJ’s perfectly legal right to conduct business all of this time. So I’d love more feedback from your Dad (I assume he’s a lawyer) if you feel like it.
Thanks!
Thank you, Dea. I really have no idea about law matter. I remembered someone here provides a link to a website that clarifies about the judicial system of South Korea, but it was completely my fault thanks to my limited English skills and my laziness that I couldn’t understand a single bit about it. The foreign law-terminology words keep making me dizzy. So thanks for your simple explanation.
Google said that arbitration is a method of dispute resolution involving one or more neutral third parties who are usually agreed to by the disputing parties and whose decision is binding.
It is a form of negotiation, both parties agreed to appoint a neutral third person/a body outside the court to become the mediator regarding the dispute. So if I could sum up the whole judicial process, SM have been being rejected by court in attempt for arbitration for 5th times already. They have been struggling for over 3 years in legal court battle and have already concluded the verdict (though haven’t been announced), yet they want to repeat all the process in another form of negotiation over again outside the court. One thing has been really cleared here, logically that the one who submitted the arbitration must be seriously is in a difficult situation regarding the final unspoken verdict. But the fact that the court granted SM’s request also indicates that JYJ’s side agreed to do arbitration.
So this third person/body has to be a neutral party, decided by both parties in dispute. The conclusion of the arbitration will be attached to both parties, but unlike the legal court, the arbitration institution do not have a force to execute the decision, so still there are probabilities of a disobedient party to avoid the execution, even probabilities of a nullification suit towards the arbitration decision itself. A question pop-ed up in my head, now that they both agreed to do arbitration, what does the status of the unspoken verdict? What if this arbitration comes to a dead-end, without any satisfying agreement between the dispute parties? Will the unspoken verdict be revealed? Would you please inform me about it?
@ai uta
” But the fact that the court granted SM’s request also indicates that JYJ’s side agreed to do arbitration.”
I’m not so sure of that point. I think that JYJ’s side has yet to agree and that whether they will or not will be decided (or begin to be decided) on Aug. 10. I haven’t read anywhere that JYJ’s lawyers have agreed, only that SM petitioned for it and the court granted their petition to proceed.
@ai uta @lilibaiyu
” But the fact that the court granted SM’s request also indicates that JYJ’s side agreed to do arbitration.”
My guess is that the court granted SM’s request for arbitration indicates that there’s an arbitration clause in JYJ’s contract with SM. Regardless of the validity of the contract or its status as a subjugating contract, the court has to honor the arbitration clause. Since the court granted SM’s petition, JYJ has to at least attend the arbitration hearings. Since I am not familiar with Korean law, what still perplexes me though is how SM manages to file so many arbitration requests(5). Aren’t there any limit to the number of requests per party in each lawsuit? What loopholes is SM exploiting?
@SFLily
We obviously still have a LOT of questions about this and I’m just hoping that there will be further clarification at some point soon. I read somewhere that arbitration will likely take another year. Is it true or not? I have no idea. This has been the most maddening part of this whole post-JYJFiles period of the lawsuit. When Jimmie was posting regularly to JYJFiles we really got clarification on all of this kind of stuff and it was trustworthy information that I also came to trust (a lot of others here did too.) Now, any in depth understanding of the ins and outs of the verdict-settlement-arbitration process is largely absent. I have a funny feeling that no one in JYJ’s management thinks that any of us really care about this sort of information, but many of us DO! Ahhhh…. it’s been frustrating.
and that’s also why arbitration would probably take much more time as they really need to settle within themselves…
ATTENTION, those whose are native speakers of English. I have a question regarding my English test. Wondering if u guys could confirm if ‘the QUIET of the countryside’ or ‘the QUIETNESS of the countryside’ is right. Plz help me, I’m very deperate.
Typo: desperate.
I’m not a native English speaker,but I think it should be ‘the QUIETNESS of the countryside’
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/quietness
same here coz it sounds more better and appropriate.
Hi vonz, keke I’m reviewing my rusty English
OK ba ma’am ?
quietness is a noun so it’s “quietness of the countryside”
quiet here is an adjective so it’s “quiet countryside” http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/quiet
hi kris.
not only you, been rusty recently so we have to sharpen it again^^
That’s what I thought but the teachers said it’s quiet of the countryside. I’m trying hard to gain marks.
@vonz
I’m not a native english speaker either. You can see that my grammar is all over the place… but we must learn and learn from our mistakes…..and it will get better and better after that.
oppsss… this actually for @Amelia Jane…sorry
@Amelia Jane
I think it’s “quiet”.
means… i failed again… T-T
@vonz
lol Listen, my V.E. Sister BAFfie and I are constantly talking about how madly impressive the posters are on this site! You all speak multiple languages so beautifully! I’m so impressed with you all, I can’t tell you. I speak exactly ONE language but I’ve enjoyed writing all my life and have done so professionally for lots of years too. So any help anyone need with English, please don’t hesitate to ask.
@lili
Please write more for us, we learned a lot through reading some well-written comments here in JYJ3 …
@kris
“@liliPlease write more for us, we learned a lot through reading some well-written comments here in JYJ3 …”
Oh, you ~know~ I will — I love discussion, JYJ3 and I love writing, I always have. Although I’m sure there are some here who read your post and thought, ‘Oh, no, no, lili! Write LESS!!” lol
It should be “the quiet of the countryside”. Think of it as being very similar to “the color of the rainbow” or “the size of shoes”. Hope it helps!
For anyone who is interested. I’ve shared this site before and find it to be a wonderful treasure trove of having something for everyone, ALL IN ONE PLACE! Hope you find it interesting and helpful…
http://www.refdesk.com/
Sound like a lot of fun, Please, post more of your English test’s questions @Amelia Jane^^
There r plenty of questions that I think r weird but most of them is from literature so it’s quite long. I guess I won’t be posting it.
@Amella Jane
I understand~~~ and ~~~ wish you do really really well on your English tests
I read this about idols popularity in japan.
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The day of K-Pop’s demise is getting closer. Whispers have begun to leak out of Fuji TV, one of the driving forces behind K-Pop in Japan, saying, “We cannot get ratings with this at all,” signaling a beginning in the dismantling of the Hanryu.
Starting with the scandal of actor Takao Sosuke criticizing Fuji TV for creating the Korean boom by force in Japan, unpleasant feelings towards the wave as well as K-Pop started forming, centered online. With these feelings growing stronger, K-Pop acts KARA and Supernova saw their concert in Hyogo prefecture cancelled due to poor ticket sales. Even still, TV networks are trying to push the “K-POP BOOM” as always, but it’s getting to the point where the lack of popularity is becoming hard to hide.
Finally, talk from within Fuji TV itself lamenting the lack of popularity of K-Pop currently have leaked.
“Now if a K-Pop idol goes on a TV show, honestly the numbers seem to fall. KARA and Shojojidai’s decline in ratings is not as bad, but those groups with names no one knows have a real problem with ratings. Their staffs seem greatly perplexed. It seems that the day that K-Pop and the Korean Wave won’t be heard from again is coming soon,” said one Fuji TV employee.
As this authorized person said, it’s been clear that TV shows have been pulling back on K-Pop related programming. For example, last year’s “Natsu ga Kita!! HEY! HEY! HEY! Odaiba ‘Nama’ no Uta Matsuri” special featured multiple Korean idols groups, both popular artists and unknowns. However, this time the only one appearing will be Tohoshinki.
This year’s “FNS Uta no Natsu Matsuri” will also not be featuring Korean idols.
One person related to a major network said, “Asahi TV, who does ‘Music Station’ recently decided to distance themselves from K-Pop. Besides the necessary Korean artists, they won’t be allowing K-Pop idols on the show. They just don’t get the ratings, and the network is getting flack from viewers online so it has to be like this.”
There are quite a few artists aiming to have a hit in Japan, but it seems the situation has gotten stricter.
cr: http://www.cyzo.com/2012/07/post_10950.html / http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/4069136.html
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what do you guys think about that? how are our boys dramas doing there (i terms of ratings)
@Alexa
What do I think? Well, I have this phrase I like to use…you can go to the well one too many times. Ultimately, the well becomes dry. Like anything else in life, there is a saturation point.
I have never heard a discussion or comment about the reciprocity factor…SK opening her welcoming arms to the Nipon Wave. See, it cuts both ways. You simply cannot continue to take advantage of someone, and have them to continue to like it. Doesn’t work that way. I suppose the greed factor makes the picture a tad bit cloudy.
The day was going to come when folks got tired of the over saturation. That’s what it is. Too much. When every Tom, Dick or Harry comes marching up to your door and bangs on it, expecting you to open it up, this gets a bit tiring. Don’t blame them if they stop opening up the door. Especially when you are not allowed to do the same thing.
I’m willing to guess, the fact that not a lot of these acts are fluent in the Japanese language or culture might have something to do with it. For those who took the time to do so, they have/will last longer. People have to ‘feel’ you. They have to sense the sincerity. If the only thing you want is the money out of your hosts pockets, well………
With regards to JYJ, it looks as if for now, the fact that they are not all over the place is an advantage. Kind of like, absence makes the heart grow fonder. It appears as if the guys are doing well. Their dramas seem to bring in the viewers. Junsu’s album shot up the charts. When they worked their fannies off to become “Japanese”, the people got it and appreciated it. Obviously, they still do.
Fuji TV simply did not read the tea leaves too well. Their bad.
It will be interesting to see other articles that support this trend, and what kind of spin they place on it.
@ butterfliesarefree2
Opening of 2 doors will have cleared the greed factor… but then agaiin if the demand decline, it will go down under.
P.S : I love to read your comments. Yours were straight forward and insightful
. Please write more.
I have sense that this will come and the brainers of Kpop industries have to act quick. The sprouting of new Kpop groups with the same tone and almost the same image will erk the viewers and listerners. They need to improvise… numbers if it’s not equal with quality will not add. Mv for example..almost the same..the group being baking up with dancers and the music … there’s no variety. If you listen and compare the DBSK previous albums from Korea and Japan…the difference in music in quite distinct. I prefer their Japanese albums more than Korean due to the music and lyrics.I fall in love with DBSK after listening to Bolero…after that Begin.. and to add more, their live performances were better than in cds…I mean, their voice were outstanding!!! Kpop needs more of these… quality against numbers.
@sempoi
First off, thank you for the lovely compliment. ^^_______^^
Secondly, you are so spot on about the quality/quantity issue. I find it very interesting that for supposedly savvy business people, these Kpop empresarios don’t get it. Debuting new acts every two minutes is so counterproductive.
When you have so many acts you don’t know what to do with them, how is that suppose to work out? It seems they feel, if the first wave are not pulling in the big bucks, let’s have more! WRONG! Take what you have, and groom/grow them, to the extent that they shine like polished silver! Everyone likes silver don’t they, especially when it’s all cleaned and bright? But noooooooooo…..
That is too much like right. So, you fill your roster with more acts than you need. Then find the need to expand your market because your home market is….SATURATED! Nothing wrong with expanding your market, it’s a big world out there. But when you overstay your welcome, then the only thing you create is animosity. This appears to be something these yokels are good at.
Being different, standing out in a crowd is going to take you much farther than being one of the pack. When DBSK was in the forefront, their talents made them the envy of the kpop world. Now JYJ is in the enviable position of being standouts again. They have taken those same talents and now point them in the direction of being extra special…THEY DON’T SOUND LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE!
People worldwide, who like good music, like it like that.
@AlexA
I believe the members of JYJ will always be loved in Japan. That particular love affair, JYJ and their fans, is the real deal. They’ve even been getting it flack for it on JYJ3 lately among some posters who just think they maybe love their Japanese fans a little too much for their own good! But whatever the reality, I think they’ll always be welcomed in Japan if they can ever end the blocking by AVEX. The fact that they have been forcibly distanced and shut out from the mainstream Korean Wave may turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
Well, if the day of K-pop demise is getting closer, then it has nothing else to blame except itself. What else besides the greed and the thirst to desperately expand the Hallyu wave that has those management companies to ship groups after groups into the Japanese market in hope of making some quick bucks? Even some of the groups have just debuted and yet to make their names popular enough in Korea. With that “in your face” approach, it’s only natural that Japanese people become perplexed and have a negative impression. What’s so interesting about watching some random groups who have nothing unique to offer and who can’t even speak the language to engage in the conversations on show? TH5K were successful in Korea before they went to begin their careers in Japan. The reasons of their success are because they started out at the bottom and worked their way to the top, put efforts in learning the language and culture, worked incredibly hard, and actually had talents. One has to learn how to walk before they can run. At the end of the day, only the real deal will stay. I believe JYJ will remain well-received and loved in Japan not just because their popularity has never ceased so far, but also because they’re multi-talented and special. Boys speak Japanese fluently, connect with fans like no others, and when they don’t listen to JYJ sing on stage, they can always indulge in their dramas, movies, musicals, etc. Btw, from what I heard, Jaejoong’s PTB has reached highest ratings during its air time on TBS channel. RTP will do well for sure since it’s been successful every where else.
Read in baidu JYJ fans message discussion
That the biggest web portal Yin Yuet Tai in China,
previously not well used by the ” X TOWN” , is now FULLY USED .
Especially the V- chart,
JYJ long listed song out of # top 10
Junsu Xia Tarantallegra ~ FACING GROUPS OF OLD FACES all SURROUNDING HIM…..
If have time, pls visit this, and hopefully be a think tank for JYJ.
China fans trying very hard to keep JYJ chart within top #10,
daily vote and download JYJ songs , ( Get out , Tarantallegra)
The V- chart today:
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http://www.yinyuetai.com/vchart/trends?area=KR
previous jyj : mostly watched MV – very good resolution
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http://www.yinyuetai.com/video/413987
2)
http://www.yinyuetai.com/video/265547
3)
http://www.yinyuetai.com/video/270021
@JYJ global listener
I’m not surprised at the level of growth you are talking about. The SME CEO Kim Yong Min stated a while back this was going to become their focus — the China market, and online sales vs regular cd sales. The branching out makes good business sense, it’s only the motivation factor that smells.
It’s cheaper for SME to remain in their own backyard. After all, they are not about spending money just for the heck of it. Look at how they are able to hoodwink the government to fund their Western overseas concerts. China having the market size they have is like ‘the next frontier’ slang in sci-fi movies.
Since I don’t follow the Chinese portals, I don’t have your intimate knowledge of how they work. Hopefully, JYJ’s Chinese fans will concentrate on supporting them.