JYJ3 Note:
This article doesn’t reflect the opinion of JYJ3 Team, only the author.
Toshiro Ono is a freelance nonfiction writer who writes mostly about the mafia and crime. He reported several times about the Trial between AVEX and Cjes. Below is a translation of his blog entry:
11. About Tohoshinki and JYJ
Part 1:
I was shocked when I read the following agreement for the first time. How to interpet it. I still don’t know.
“Avex Management,(hereinafter called Party A) and C-JeS entertainment (referred to as Party B), artists belonging to B: Real name: KIM JAEJUNG, Real Name: KIM JUNSU, Real Name: PARK YOUCHEON (referred to as Artists), whose sound or visual recordings activities, creative activities and entertainment activities, etc with regard to copyrighted material, agreed as follows: you shall be entered into an exclusive contract (hereinafter referred to as the Agreement).”
Article 29 (Notices – 2)
By any chance, group members of Tohoshinki [Real Name: SHIM CHANGMIN, Real Name: CHUN YOUNHO], ends contractual relationship (including release) with SM Entertainment Co Ltd and its affiliates, in a case that they no longer belong to a talent agency, modeling agency, or recording companies, if you wish to contract with the said two people, Party A, in consultation with Party B and its Artists, shall be entered into an exclusive contract negotiation and talks for the 2 people concerned. In addition, even if the 2 people became artists of Party B, if Party A wishes to contract for 2 people and Party B, separate consultation is better, you shall negotiate a separate written contract.
It could take a little time to understand the contents of this agreement. I think I would like to think slowly.
Before discussing the main issue, I want to write my own thoughts.
Think and examine the Tohoshinki situation many times.
I have to write something properly about Tohoshinki and JYJ.
And why it is necessarily in the first place.
They had literally rewritten the history books in Japan and Asian entertainment. Very significantly.
However, the “truths” and rumors flying around are uncertain. It resulted to chaos actually. Examining this is on-going situation is very difficult in a lot of ways. Maybe now is not the right time to make an article about it.
Anyway, I watched their videos again and again. Both static and dynamic movements created 5 people as THSK. The expressive power, overwhelming feeling, there was no other way to describe except it’s terrific. If you see their live performances, you will shiver.
Currently, 5-member THSK separated, with JYJ belonging to C-Jes entertainment, and they first entered an exclusive agreement with Avex but is now battling it out in court.
According to the latest court document submitted to Tokyo District Court last June 16, 2012, C-jes representative Baek Chanju made an affidavit statement about meeting JYJ, as follows:
“I came to do the management of JYJ since my brother and Kim Junsu’s brother were roommates at the university. JYJ, who left SM entertainment (referred as SM), had consulted me after there was an opportunity to do their own entertainment activities. Thereafter, the injuction was filed against SM, I now decided to help in the entertainment activities of JYJ.”
In addition, the following are written statements of Baek Chanju:
“Our (Note: c-jes entertainment), on Feb 26, 2010 has signed an exclusive contract with Avex concerning JYJ’s activities in Japan. Originally, the 3 members of JYJ belong to the 5-member group THSK. THSK, who belongs to SM which is Korea’s leading talent agency, had an exclusive contract between Avex and SM.”
“However, in 2009, as the long term exclusive contract between SM and JYJ should be invalid, we decided to apply for temporary injuction to stop the effect of an exclusive contract with SM, JYJ acknowledged some of the allegations of provisional disposition when the decision came out. Then, we have been carrying out business as an agent for JYJ, Avex from before is against the company, has been urged to end an exclusive contract. At this point, Avex, by the decision of provisional disposition to suspend the effect of the exclusive contract between SM and JYJ, by connecting an exclusive contract with the company, choose to do the management of JYJ in Japan.”
“As the company, if JYJ is to work in Japan under Avex management, we predicted of course that an interference of SM can put pressure on Avex, we asked avex to ensure the continuity of JYJ entertainment activities in Japan without yielding to SM’s interference.”
“Avex accepted this request, in Article 15 of the exclusive contract, without receiving any restraint or opposition from any third party,SM entertainment and its affiliates, to ensure “freedom and capability of effective implementation of this agreement will be noted, in addition, in the same article, it has been duly marked that Avex, in Japan, will do the necessary measures to prevent any act (like SM entertainment and its affiliates), to interfere with the artists’ activities.”
Agreement in the same way as I mentioned, for those not interested in the THSK situation, this statement is from a person named Baek Chanju, what that means, also, what is written in the first place, I don’t have any idea.
Disentangling this complex thread is not easy. How can I tell this better to more people? During this time, I had been worried.
“I will become sad”
These are the words muttered casually by fans. But little by little, as I come to understand the situation of THSK, it spreads to the corners of my mind and heart. Hearing the 5 singing voices of THSK will be more and more painful.
There is a discography of their introduction, development, turn, and conclusion. Vibrant, deep loss, frustration, confusion, chaos, recovery, and departure. Not only the goodness of man, some songs also speak of darkness and being helpless. Reaching high into the horizon that everyone has not reached, maturity was developed, and they had become separated.
However, some of the songs they are singing, there is a word that we still continue to hope. Let’s listen to “Bolero” for example.
“Let me hear the lovely, fleeting wings of the bolero playing. Soar high, you will discover a place that will hear your sadness”
and “Stand By You”
“Wondering where you are, and with who, what makes you laugh, what are you wearing. I am here, still here, I believe that the two of us will meet again”
and “Asu wa kurukara”
“When the rain falls, I’ll be the umbrella that covers you. When the wind blows, I’ll be the wall that shields you. And however deep the dark night is, tomorrow will surely come”
Their ballads, as more time passes by since the separation, will boost their value higher and higher.
THSK in the background of the situation, there is a quickening worldwide capital globalization and nationalism. As mentioned earlier, recording everything in this extremely complex and drastic situation can be quite a difficult task.
However, there are a lot of fans that have already noticed. This venture into Asia and into the world, that the five people are dynamic.
And more than anything else, in the tip of an era valiantly, gently, the 5 member THSK developed a deep, warm bond with each other because of incredible hardship and suffering.
Fans are also witnesses to this era.
I am ashamed of my ignorance with the THSK situation.
When I first heard their music, I seemed to erase my initial impression of them. I was overwhelmed by the power of their singing. Only a handful of men will tell the truth that they listen to their music, as some will be embarrassed to confess.
But I like THSK.
to be continued.
Source: Toshiro Ono’s Blog
Translated by: @rubypurple_fan of JYJ3
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uuuuhhh… okay. is he trying to elicit longing for thsk5 once again? is this some sort of propaganda to convince people to root for our jyj and the tvxq duo to come back as 5 once again? in the end, i don’t see the point of his blog. if he wanted to fanboy for thsk then by all means, no one’s stopping him but why the mention of the court scenarios? i do not understand his commentaries on the court case and what it has to do with him reminiscing about the old thsk.
yeah, I don’t really understand too.. from my point of view, he’s trying to make people hope the 5 will be back again? why are all these Japanese fans still want the 5 to be back, unlike Korean fans, is it because the “rumors” are different in Japan?
Really? Korean fans don’t want TVXQ to come back as five? even if Homin get out from SM?? I don’t really have K-Cassie friends, So I don’t really know about these things happening between jyj-tvxq *since my english isn’t that good, reading all the heavy articles about the court won’t help me to understand this XD haha*
no, what I mean was that not all fans want that to happen, but I’m not sure what’s happening in Japan or Korea too cause I’m not Korean.. sorry for my bad wording :S
@Kinta
“Really? Korean fans don’t want TVXQ to come back as five? even if Homin get out from SM??”
It’s a moot point. Homin is not ever going to get out of SM. NEVER, until they are old and thoroughly out of fashion with the public. As long as SM has Homin they have access to further exploiting the name DBSK/TVXQ. That means money and lots of it. Have you ever seen SM be interested in anything else but money? Now when they promote the two, all the glorious doings of the five are attributed solely to them as if the members of JYJ never existed and Homin had all that success by themselves. It’s quite devious and certainly constitutes deceptive advertising, but with SM that’s business as usual.
@lilibayu
I know right. I always wondering why homin didn’t go with JYJ, is it because of their on-going dramas(like some of people said) or what because I believe they did talk about it before JYJ filled the lawsuit… and I don’t really get about ‘protecting tvxq name’ thingy… I mean, yeah If homin did get out with JYJ they can’t use TVXQ name & can’t sing tvxq’s songs, all of the great songs will only be a history… and people will not know about TVXQ (my friend start with tvxq2 then DB5K and now she is JYJ’s fans&Yoochun bias) but….. Seriously… what’s on their mind? What so good about sm? and a lot of other fandoms & idols said that TVXQ is truly a legend, but I believe it’s not TVXQ with two members they are talking about but five. Even though people said they are doing good as 2, but… they are nothing compared to JYJ. I don’t know why they are so confident on bringing TVXQ name just with the two of them … and now they changed their music style… tch.
@Elephant In Heaven X3
Oh, I’m as mystified as you are on so much of what people say about SM and the two remaining members… I just don’t get the appeal. I don’t see the magic. (Honestly, I never did, even when they were part of the five.)
The “protecting the name” thingie is hogwash, pure and simple. It is a preposterous ploy to appear righteous while SM continues to exploit the name for financial gain. What did The Two get out of willingly spreading this fiction? They now get to be touted as “the legend” as you said, the sole recipients of the DBSK legacy. They are now laying claim to the entire legacy of DBSK, which, if you know anything about music is a laughable claim.
One other thing – Of Course Homin knew about the plans for the lawsuit. This is another thing that just shocks me – that anybody can actually believe that the members of JYJ did not try to convince them every step of the way to get OUT along with them. Jaejoong?? With his soft heart and strong feelings of group brotherhood — for him to NOT try to convince his maknae to come with them and be free? Impossible. The fact that The Two actually said in public that they didn’t know a thing about the lawsuit just floored me at the time. That’s when I knew that they planned to align themselves firmly on the side of SM, for a list of perks and preferential treatment we may never be privy to.
So with all of these hard feelings about all of this kind of stuff, I and now a few others here today I notice, just find it really hard to go back and listen to those old songs and really impossible to hope for any sort of reunion.
@lili
What the ……????? Seriously is it just me? I HAVE NO CLUE what this is talking about…
@lili
Disregard…. I got it….
@A Friend Of JYJ
“What the ……????? Seriously is it just me? I HAVE NO CLUE what this is talking about…”
lol Thanks for the laugh. I haven’t had many today. BAFfie thinks it’s “Proximity (to something beneficial to JYJ) Related SM Encouraged Disinformation” and I’d say there was a better than even chance she hit the nail on the head. It’s from a Japanese tabloid (Hello!) and the translation is suspiciously bad so as to whip up all kinds of emotional responses, “settlement” or “arbitration” being wrongly translated as “reconciliation.”
As JYJ sang so charmingly not long ago, “You gotta Let It Go, Let It Go. Let It Go, Let It go….”
Learned only today about Yunho and Changmin’s statement: “… we didn’t know that they had filed the lawsuit and we were shocked”, made when JYJ submitted their lawsuit against SM.
I started out with HoMin’s ‘Before You Go’ (liked them), then, DBSK5 (love them all), now, JYJ (really love them!). I really like HoMin less and less by the day, because they had no kinds words towards JYJ.
But after finding their statement above, I have to say: Liars! And only idiots would believe that.
I suppose they wanted to play innocent and loyal before SM: “We had not informed you of their plan because we didn’t know about it at all!”
(Having said all these, I still love them up to the point before the split.)
i feel the same… i liked them before the split, but the more i see them on news or everywhere, the more i feel disgusted!
JYJ FIGHTING!! <3
this article hasn’t finished yet, this is just part 1. let’s wait for the continuation for it’s to be concluded.
Maybe in his “to be continued” part, he will move on to say how great JYJ has become. If not, then I agree with you, there is no point to this blog if he is only trying to elicit longing for thsk5. And like you said, makes no sense to be like that and then mention the court happenings.
I disregarded the fluffy-gushy stuff and focused on the Article inserts and affidavit statements which seem to have the more interesting and revealing content.
Maybe he inserted the TH5K fanboying part to show he is impartial between JYJ/C-JeS and HoMin/Sm/Avex sides and tries to find the “real truth” inbetween the information mess in Japan??
aduhhh bingung bgt ni artikel,, ad yg mw jelasin???
sama gw juga bingung. Ah….bener bener nama mereka berlima ngak bisa dibandingin ama siapa pun. Apalagi group generasi sekarang benar benar membosankan, musiknya beda jauh sama JYJ. CMIIW
do u mean now korean fans dont wanna txvq back as 5???
cassie in korea just split in to homin n jyj stand????
I don’t think people can deny the fact that the five DO sound magical together. While I would personally love to hear them perform their old songs live again, I think too much has happened. The two groups are successful on their own and have worked hard and that should not be over looked. Maybe in 10 years when they’re all older, the bad blood has mellowed, and they have families of their own they’ll come together for a special reunion stage. Who knows? It’s absolutely none of our business and we shouldn’t have a say in their decisions. Whether they come together or not, whether they’re happy separated or not, they’re grown ass men and can handle themselves. So I sincerely hope that what ever decision they make, fans will support them. Though I doubt this article has anything to do with anything that could be happening. It just seems like one man’s musings.
@Jess~
what a great comment!
I love Junsu Jaejoong and Yuchun for their past, present and futur. Personnaly i think that both parties have grown appart musicaly so i’m not looking for THE reunion. I want JYJ to continue in the path they craved themselves. But i wouldn’t mind to see 5 on stage BUT in the far future, just so i can here those beautiful songs again. But no matter what decision JYJ takes even if it doesn’t follow what i wrote here it doesn’t matter. They are grown men and we will have to respect their decision. This article is a little confusing for me rn, i’ll have to wait for part2 to really make my mind here.
That’s how I feel, too. Their musical path right now is very different. I follow JYJ more closely because their music is to my taste and Jaejoong has been favorite member from the beginning hahaha.
@Jess~ — “It’s absolutely none of our business and we shouldn’t have a say in their decisions. Whether they come together or not, whether they’re happy separated or not, they’re grown ass men and can handle themselves. So I sincerely hope that what ever decision they make, fans will support them. ” —– totally agree. well said! *bows*
Jess~
“While I would personally love to hear them perform their old songs live again, I think too much has happened. The two groups are successful on their own and have worked hard and that should not be over looked.”
This sentence, quoted above, really prompted a powerful personal memory, a pang, a deep emotional reaction. It is this: “working hard” is not the same thing as having real artistic authenticity. It guarantees nothing except sweat while doing and exhaustion at the end of the day. It always vaguely irks me when people say of The Two “but they’re working so hard; but they’ve improved so much!” In the music business that I have known and worked in, “working hard” and “improving” mean exactly NOTHING.
Do you really, right out of the box have what it takes? Are you truly exceptional among all others? Fine, you have a shot at a real career. Are you “working really hard”? Are you “improving”? Give me a break. Come back when you’ve mastered your craft.
This is what kills me about K-Pop. Fans here accept vaguely marginal at best talent because they are “cute” and they pander shamelessly to their audience. I’m from the U.S. and admittedly we take music pretty seriously here. We do not enjoy dolled up wannabes. The best of our artists fight long and hard for the recognition that they deserve. It’s troubling to me that in K-Pop there are such woefully low standards.
I believe that JYJ have the talent to go the distance in SK, in Japan and around the world. The three members were always the talent powerhouse in DBSK and they are far more powerful today than they ever were then because they are free, they are farther along in their journeys as songwriters and artists and because they have faced near insurmountable odds and still come back strong — they are indomitable in fact. Let’s allow them to breathe as artists and await their next collaboration. I predict it will be memorable.
@lili You always get right to the core of this mish-mash and say the things I’m thinking; JYJ members being ‘the powerhouse of the old DBSK’, you mentioned earlier about Homin appropriating the TVXQ title like they were the sole bearers of the title; which angered me at first until my involvement with JYJ became so complete, the former title became kind of hollow for me; and it is hard to listen to the old songs, now. All that aside; we JYJ fans know what these men have accomplished in this short time of freedom, and I’m sure we haven’t even begun to see all the things they will accomplish in the future. As an Ahjumma fan, I just hope I’m around long enough to continue to enjoy JYJ’s future triumphs.
It’s a little confusing to try to understand what this says but after I’ve reread it a few times, it seems to me that it is saying that JJ/YC/JS wanted their agreement with AVEX to include the possibility of HoMin leaving SM and joining them at later date. It also sounds like AVEX initially agreed to protect JJ/YC/JS as they tried to continue activities as 3 but, as we already know, AVEX reneged on that part of the agreement.
I’m not really surprised by what I understand it to say because I’ve never doubted that leaving SM together as 5 was not discussed by all 5 of them together prior to what transpired. I’ve always felt HoMin may have had more issues about how/when to do it and that JJ/YC/JS just felt it was too unbearable to continue any longer.
I know some people have very strong feelings about what they consider as loyalty and betrayal but I feel there is a point where you have to be true to yourself.
TBS… it appears to me that JJ/YC/JS made a very difficult decision to proceed with trying to sever ties with SM but IMO they did not do it without any thought of the other two.
My sentiments exactly.
@dbullock
“I’m not really surprised by what I understand it to say because I’ve never doubted that leaving SM together as 5 was not discussed by all 5 of them together prior to what transpired. ”
I really have to disagree with you there, although I agree with the rest of your post. Knowing everything I know about the personalities of Jaejoong, Yuchun and Junsu I think there is virtually NO WAY that they did not keep the other two apprised every step of the way of how they were feeling and what they were deciding to do and in fact must have for all intents and purposes begged them repeatedly to come with them. I think of Jaejoong saying his happiest moments are spent with his members. Is it likely that this young man would have been secretive about a decision as huge as leaving SM with his hyungs, arbitrarily excluding two members of all of their plans for the future??
I can’t see it happening.
But that’s what I said… I haven’t ever believed HoMin *didn’t* know like they’ve stated in interviews.
@dbullock
“But that’s what I said… I haven’t ever believed HoMin *didn’t* know like they’ve stated in interviews”
Ah. I misread your post then. My mistake and my apologies.
let’s see what he’s going to write !!!
i liked this article…
but sometimes i think the did this for marketing purpose !!
I always find it strange that JYJ fans (on here) have such hostility towards any mention of DBSK5. Is it not possible to admire the incredible hard ship, talent, perseverence, etc, that helped shape JYJ into the men they are today because of their time as Tohoshinki? He is just giving credit where it is due, and paying tribute to their history and success.
Lol, I think this is beyond mentioning DB5K though. From what I understood of it, it seems like he wants a reunion of the five rather than just reminiscing about the past. Btw, I have no problems with people talking/mentioning DB5K when appropriate (like on DB5K fansites), but it’s large inappropriate on a JYJ only fasite except in certain articles.
for me, personally.
i did admire tvxq before. my admiration follows jyj after that. i did respect homin before. my respect for them vanish after what they said. admittedly, sometimes i went back for tvxq videos, and cried. but then i gathered up, and pull myself together. because sometimes, whats lost we cant get back. and whats lost is my trust in sm and the duo who stayed back. what i love is the past tvxq5. not the possible future. the present and future is for jyj3.
You perfectly summarized my thoughts and feelings about this issue.
agree with u sis…but since here is only for Jyj…so i guess the mention of any dbsk5 here is kinda a sensitive topic…=)
@yes
“I always find it strange that JYJ fans (on here) have such hostility towards any mention of DBSK5. Is it not possible to admire the incredible hard ship, talent, perseverence, etc, that helped shape JYJ into the men they are today because of their time as Tohoshinki? “
There is such a diversity of opinion here on the subject of JYJ’s former group, I feel it’s important to say at the outset that I can speak only for myself here. For me, it’s a little more complicated than just saying, “After all that has happened, I hate DBSK now.” That doesn’t quite do it and aside from anything else, it’s just plain wrong. I was a long-time admirer of their wonderful music and I still occasionally listen to it. (Just yesterday, for instance, while I was working.) I do not and could never “hate” that music – it is what it is. I loved it when it came out and I still listen, but as a result of all that has happened over the last 3 years and counting, because of my knowledge now of the conditions that the boys were working under while at SM, because of the circumstances surrounding the filing of the lawsuit and knowing the extraordinary lengths to which SM has gone to utterly destroy any hope of a continuing career by the 3 former members, arguably the most talented members of the old DBSK and finally because of the revelations of the comments and actions (of lack of any actions) of the 2 remaining members who stayed and re-signed with SM to help, show support or intervene in any way to somehow mitigate the level of sheer malice and dirty dealings that SM has perpetrated against JYJ over the course of the last 3 years… well, the sum total of all that has indeed colored my over-all feelings about DBSK, what they must have actually gone through together and most importantly that company, SM. Whereas before, I could merely listen to and enjoy the music, now the cruel and frankly dishonest actions of The Two and the horrendous dealings their current employers are heaping upon JYJ in wave after wave have really shut me down in terms of finding them entertaining, ever again. I noticed yesterday in fact a vague uneasiness in even listening to the voices of The Two now. In my humble opinion, the lack of character they’ve shown has by now ruined any enjoyment I once had in listening to them sing. Because of this I just don’t listen often anymore. There’s so much good music around, there’s JYJ’s growing body of work and now Xia’s electrifying solo work. Going anywhere near SM product just makes me queasy now. So that’s my story.
@Lili: Funny, I’ve been trying to formulate my reply to rikachan over in ODP, and reading your reply here I realized that what you are expressing is very very similar to my own feelings. It’s not that I necessarily find fault in the DBSk5 music itself, it’s just that I get an “itchy” feeling when I listen to it, and I am no longer able to listen to almost any of it comfortably (Xiah and Colours being distinct exceptions). Likewise, as you know, I removed W from my playlist quite a while ago, and it has yet to make a reappearance. In fact I listened to my JYJ playlist on a laptop that rarely gets used, at the end of June. I had not yet removed W from that playlist and my immediate reaction to it proved to me that I am still finding it unpleasant to hear that music, because of the accompanying thoughts. Which is sad, because it’s a beautiful song. But it is far too (dis)coloured for me by its circumstances, for me to be able to honestly enjoy it.
@Baffie, I fear it will be a very very long time before I am able to listen to it. I’ve taken how many months now since we had our discussion of W, and I still can’t get away from that stuff, in fact if anything it’s worse now. How sad.
It’s okay, we all travel our own roads differently. That’s what makes us individuals and not sheep. I understand where you’re coming from and respect that.
@Baffie, true, we all take different paths, but sometimes I feel like I’m letting them down by not being able to fully appreciate ALL the music that they’ve created…. and then sometimes I think that perhaps just maybe they (or at least one of them
) isn’t so keen on W anymore either LOL! But yeah, time will tell. And I have hope that as they produce more new music as JYJ, that I can safely shelve the stuff that I’m uncomfortable with and just wholeheartedly embrace the “new”, as it 100% represents where they are NOW, and where they were in the past. The past happened, and it definitely contributed into making them who and what they are today, but that doesn’t mean we need to put it on a pedestal and worship it =P I feel like it’s a chapter in their lives that a fan needs to be aware of, but that it shouldn’t become any kind of heavy focal point. it’s not where they are NOW (thank god!) so I just let it go. 
*where they are NOW, and NOT where they were in the past.
“… and I still occasionally listen to it. (Just yesterday, for instance…” me too, –> Love in the Ice (4th Live Tour 2009 – The Secret Code – Final In Tokyo Dome)
and
“… I do not and could never ‘hate’ that music”, same here ^^
I’ve replied too early and now wanted to agree with this statement too –> “a vague uneasiness in even listening to the voices of The Two…” but actually with everything you’ve posted.
@lili
you really expressing what exactly same like my own feeling ^^
@yes
The strange part is when these kinds of musings only occur around the appointed time for some sort of legal phase in JYJ’s life.
But since this is a JYJ site, no one here who isn’t OT5, feels the need to wax nostalgically about a reunion. See? No one disputes the experience JYJ had as members of DBSK. That certainly is a part of who they are. But that was then, this is now. If Lady Karma decides there is to be a reunion show at some point, that is up to her. She gets to decide, not me.
People like him know they are going to get a rise out of people who hunger for reunion. It’s shameless. When JYJ got kicked to curb by AVEX, where was he then? If he posted any blog articles about that, I will apologize. Until then, I stand by my criticism.
I have zero respect for Homin so mentioning DBSK5 bring out bitter feeling about the past. This is a JYJ fansite, not a DBSK5 fansite also.
I don’t get his point. What is he trying to say? The introduction and the rest, how r they related? I’m confused ^^’ Waiting for Part 2~
Ah, the never ending saga.
This document was entered into evidence June 16, 2012. Now that the final JYJ/SME decision has been DELAYED again, until August 10, 2012, we get more information, from guess where?!
Mr. Toshiro Ono, can you please explain the delay? Hmmmmm. Let me guess, your next installment will come out around….oh, sometime in August?
Articles, from Chosun-Nippo, now this. Why am I not surprised. Pull up a chair folks, it’s just beginning!
Why I find all of these sudden influx of articles suggesting a reunion of TVXQ are their way to cushion the bad impression on Avex and SM by public if the court roll-out to favor JYJ???? Hhmmm…I think we will see more “interesting events” coming up soon.
I ´m not sure what he wants to say with this article, I will wait for part 2 to make any opinion.
But it still contains some interesting facts.
– when C-JeS was established in Dec 2009 (by a friend of JYJ), it was indeed solely for the purpose to manage JYJ (or DB5K if HoMin would leave SM later too)
– In April 2010, JYJ still firmly believed that HoMin might follow them later and always kept them a free space next to them. I suppose they woke up only after SM announced the TV2Q comeback.
It is interesting to see that they left room for the TV2Q to come to C-Jes. I didn’t know that. But many things have happened and changed since April 2010. JYJ have moved forward and grown so much.
Even if the unlikely scenario occurs where TV2Q do leave SM and join C-Jes, it doesn’t necessarily mean they will be TV5Q again. JYJ can still be JYJ, and the other two can be their own group under C-Jes. But that’s all very improbable. TV2Q obviously are happy with SM and will not be leaving any time soon.
What I meant was, I don’t think JYJ will discontinue being JYJ just because TV2Q come to C-Jes. They’ve come too long of a way as JYJ.
The discussion what would happen if HoMin indeed decided to ditch SM and come to C-JeS now is only hypothetical, I can ´t see it coming.
But if such unlike thing would happen – then these two would have a complete freedom to do what they want. To do some TV5Q activities, to continue as a duo, to go solo…. I mean SM would block them in Korea the same way as JYJ now, but the balance of power in Japan could be different, if Avex would deem TH5K more profitable then SUJU and f(x) and ditch SM. But as I said, that all is absolutelly just a theoretical discussion, the reality of 2012 is vastly different from 2010.
“the reality of 2012 is vastly different from 2010″
I 100% agree with you there!
@ruber
Besides, I don’t think it makes much sense to theorize about what would happen if JYJ “went back” to either of the two companies who cheated them, stole from them and tried to traumatize and ruin them (and are still trying) for the last three years. Nobody in their right mind goes back to that for any reason that I can think of. The members of JYJ are not crazy and they have excellent legal and career advice now. I believe it’s just not going to happen.
@lilibaiyu
I think we were both theorizing about the other two leaving SM, not JYJ returning. JYJ will never return and give up their freedom ^__^
@jyj.jyj.jyj.
“I think we were both theorizing about the other two leaving SM, not JYJ returning.”
Hi – I’m not sure that theory is worth pursuing any more either though. First of all, I don’t think they could if they wanted to now. If they were EVER going to do it, they would have done it back as the group together, as five. For whatever reason, fear, pressure from parents, insecurity as to whether they’d be able to work – whatever – they stayed. And then they re-signed. SM will not let go of them easily, an understatement if there ever was one. The P.R. nightmare for SM of The Two leaving them too – can you imagine?? No, no, SM will never allow that to happen. They’ve made their choice. And it seems to be carved in stone.
@lilibaiyu
As much as I’d like to, I don’t know if I can agree with your “carved into stone” comment. It is not completely impossible for it to happen.
But I will agree that SM would never want it to happen and would probably do everything in their power to prevent it, and those two themselves have made their choice and currently seem determined to stick with it. While not impossible, it is definitely very unlikely to happen.
With that said, you are right: there really is no need to pursue that theory any further.
@JYJ.JYJ.JYJ.
“As much as I’d like to, I don’t know if I can agree with your “carved into stone” comment. It is not completely impossible for it to happen.”
Yes, you’re right of course. (I wouldn’t have agreed with me either.) Certainly nothing is carved in stone here. OK, would you go for “The Writing Is Clearly On The Wall Here.” ?
None of the parties involved are making any overtures whatsoever to each other for this to happen. The former members still aren’t speaking to each other. SM is still trying to destroy JYJ both career-wise and by second-hand character assassination. The members of JYJ are getting on with their lives, finding success and acceptance as three and pursuing their desires artistically as they choose. Homin are happy being Big Cheeses in Japan. SM is still planning World Domination with SNSD and Suju. Where’s the evidence that any of the players in this drama wants to be anywhere else?
@lilibaiyu
“OK, would you go for “The Writing Is Clearly On The Wall Here.” ?”
Works for me!
It seems to me that every time there’s a court date there’s a flurry of activity like this. I suspect it’s the SM house shills trying to drum up support of DB5K to put CJES and JYJ in a bad light. Part of the corporate job in a big money lawsuit like this.
Of course everyone would probably like to see the OT5 perform together again. I would. But I also agree with those here who’ve said it probably can’t happen for a long long time. The world has moved on and the members have, too. We need to support them in that.
The lawsuit is just an encumbrance – but itn’t that SM’s real objective, after all.
Reading this literally gave me goosebumps. Sorry but I am an OT5. But I am not really forcing them to get back together…. Them being able to contact each other and be friends is enough.
i dont get it..is this a blog about the court issues???. i just think that DBSK will never sound DBSK again without the 3. i mean each member is essential (5 members)…
…….I just want to listen to new JYJ music.
The past was beautiful. But that is all that it was, “the past”! When I was with “the past”, it satisfied me. But now that I live with “the present” and I’m anticipating for “the future”, I no longer think that “the past” will satisfy me the same way it did. I now neither crave for nor “need” the past in my present. Afterall, I have acquired new tastes and new allergies that will most definitely limit my enjoyment of “the Beautiful past”, if it were to be reintroduced into my present. So please, let the past stay the past, and let the present excel in it’s moment whiles preparing for the future.
P.S. I don’t need a reunion! I couldn’t care less for it!
very well said, and it’s the same with me.
@love Thank you so much for sharing these thoughts with us… so beautifully expressed.
THIS>>>>”… So please, let the past stay the past, and let the present excel in it’s moment whiles preparing for the future…”
Excellent!!!! I so wish everyone would embrace this concept for JYJ – all three of them. They cannot forever be what they were with DBSK/TVXQ in image, on an emotional or on an intellectual level. We don’t expect that for ourselves, that we will forever be the same person we were 8 years ago. Life is about growth, if not you are just running in place.
Yet some fans act like the husband who constantly reminds the wife of how young and beautiful she use to be, and wishing she could be like that again. That’s not love. Love, appreciates the past but is fully active in the present moment while placing hope in the future by embracing the person for who they really are now, looks beyond just the exterior and helps them to grow and become better than what they use to be.
Thanks again!
Very well said!
Beautifully said, A Friend. I intend to enjoy fully JYJ in the present and look forward to the future with much love and anticipation. Thank You! And Thank You all JYJers for all the eloquent thoughts on this page; it’s always a pleasure to be here no matter what the subject matter
“Yet some fans act like the husband who constantly reminds the wife of how young and beautiful she use to be, and wishing she could be like that again.”
Not to mention the fact that his a** is not what it used to be either.
true…
Its so different now,that the feeling i once had and longing to is gone now, am not feeling the 5 together again, I cant even imagine it, with all its happen, as beautiful it was as ugly it became, will keep the soo old good memories only,TVXQ died long time ago and i cried alot that time,with all my heart and survivor was their last i knew,and am not that naive young fan anymore,i was addicted that it affect me much and i cant stand lies and secrets again, we all grown, and let every one decide his way.. I learn alot too xD
f* fandumb politics to all who wanna start it.
/this is to fandom
but to this article, if you wanna write something truly professional about law stuffs, get the damn hell out of sentimental wordings and put facts into your proposed direction of theory, whether or not your theory may be correct to be seen by public. not this hazy blurry to be on good side of all parties just for the sake of ‘sounding calm and logical’, which in turn, and to bottom line, just relays more of lingering feelings of fans instead. damn man, where is your past credit going to?
/and this is to that writer
Where’s this writer heading to?
Yes, I loved THSK’s music but it’s ruined by those people claiming to protect the name and the company exploiting the name.
Beautiful music is beautiful music, that’s why I’m praying that JYJ will be given rights to remake all those beautiful THSK songs in the future.
@kris
I hope this is not another strategy of giving false expectations to Japanese fans. I had loved Tohoshinki songs. I have all their albums and some of their singles. I acknowledged their hardwork and perseverance and I was in so much joy in their successes and achievements. But after what had happened, I could still hear the beautiful harmonies in Tohoshinki songs however the feeling is so different now…
Er, I have yet to find any particularly note-worthy substance about the lawsuit in this entry. I’ll wait for the second part to comment properly. Hopefully all this reminiscence of Tohoshinki5 ceases here and he will get straight to the points later. (=__=”)
Chinese Proverb: 失之东隅，收之桑榆
JYJ are F 22 Raptors, focus sharp & target oriented.
Blur vision mission? rubbish.
This kind of JP “writing”, needs to be managed, a long term PR tug of war.
Today, historical war truth still being widely distorted against its neighbor Asian countries, what can we expect from them upon Korean entertainment industry?
in this 2012 some people still talking about reunion?? in last 3 years where they are ??
apparently japanese ppl like THSK as five more than them separated as homin and jyj..
A society consists of at least 34% blood type A people , a rather ” heaven ” market for businessmen / politicians
I don’t understand how people can just ignore what has happened to JYJ and still hold onto DBSK5. I would feel sick to think of JYj having to work with the other 2 members SM or Avex. The 3 of them would have to kill their souls in order to do so. I would not be able to listen to such music.
@Lisa
“The 3 of them would have to kill their souls in order to do so. I would not be able to listen to such music.”
I imagine that I would have the same reaction as you, were it to really happen. (It won’t. That’s my belief.) It wouldn’t be a choice to feel that way either–it would be a basic gut reaction. I really don’t think I could bear to see The Two on stage with JYJ harmonizing (and all that that word means) ever again.
- I still listen to the old songs of the 5 Tohoshinki. That was the best years. That’s it!
- I never hope for them as 5 again. Those were the days where they still young and only care about their friendship and closeness because far from family, they only have each other to support with all the unfairness and craziness slave working treatment they got from sme.
- If they were to reunite, after all that were said and done..they will be more like strangers! No ice-breaker activities can connect back the closeness like those days. There is no reset in life! You can start all over again but the road will never be the same. And when it includes human emotions, the result will never be good!
- They are getting older…perspective of life varies from each one of them. Once they were afraid to say what’s on their mind..but now, no mountain so high can stop them from saying it out loud what they want and how they gonna get it, especially Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu! These three had learned the hardest way about survival and life outside sme. If fans still want them back together, forget about all the personality and career killing attacks and serious slandering that sme had done to disgrace them and their family, seriously, you are just plain insulting them and their integrity with your stupid delusional fantasy!
Those news lately just another propaganda to stir the fandom again! We should just read it, nod and throw it in the rubbish bin.
So, what’s next????..
” If fans still want them back together, forget about all the personality and career killing attacks and serious slandering that sme had done to disgrace them and their family, seriously, you are just plain insulting them and their integrity with your stupid delusional fantasy! ” THIS !
@Faz
@Kris
Actually I like the concept that Faz touched on a lot – it strikes me as one of the most novel and interesting ideas I’ve heard in a long time: that is, if OT5s really have their hears set on a reunion someday and want to do something seriously proactive about hastening that day, what they need to do now is to mount an all-out, landslide campaign to get SM to STOP all the blocking, dirty tricks, lies in the press about JYJ, etc etc etc. I think if enough fans who still “support both sides” were to make their feelings known about a company who hopes to win somehow using these sorts of unfair, underhanded methods instead of presenting their case and fighting fairly in the courts, perhaps the PR fallout would be enough to get them to THINK about their reputation and stop all the blocking.
It’s certainly worth a try. OT5s are oh so very vocal when they come here to JYJ3 to tell us about what they think and what they want.
Here’s a way to make a difference and DO something really positive to further their goal. Imagine the good feelings they would engender with JYJ fans if they succeeded!
Their hearts set, not their hears… *sigh*
So is it the conclusion of C-Jes vs Avex trial? Is that the agreement they reached on the 24th of July (yesterday)? I dont’t even understand what Toshiro Ono is trying to say… Maybe part 2 clear up this mess.
People tend to make choices.. It can be good or bad … the important thing is they’ve stand up for it and learn from it.
I don’t wish for them to reunite as 5… but at least talk and be casual friends. As I’ve known
As I’ve known Jaejoong, Junsu, Yuchun… they have a good heart… and I know deep in their hearts… talking to their old friends will somewhat give them peace of mind and comfort…
@purp1emay
“talking to their old friends will somewhat give them peace of mind and comfort…”
Their “old friends” haven’t been acting very friendly, let alone very “best friendly” for the last 3 years though. They have in fact been working diligently for the very company that is bent on destroying them and backing them up every step of the way. Are you really talking about JYJ’s peace and comfort or your own? I think ALL OF US have a tendency to color what the guys need to do with what we would do in their place. I’m sure I’ve done it although so far it seems to me that the members of JYJ HAVE been going their own way, working on the careers that they ~can~ have and making regular and steady progress forward. That’s what I would want for them now. Not to look back but only forward.
@lilibaiyu
I just don’t get the appeal. I don’t see the magic. (Honestly, I never did, even when they were part of the five.)
thank you for saying it. you took the words out of my mouth.
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I won’t say much – it’s not likely that many people are trailing back this far like I am anyways :p – but there was something that I noticed in several comments that I really felt the need to address so as to be fair to everyone involved: the statement that Yunho and Changmin did not know ANYTHING about the lawsuit was a ‘mistranslation’ – a mistake of context. (This is one of the biggest issues I think that always follows stuff like this – the way information changes as it’s translated from one language to the next) What Yunho had said was that he wasn’t aware of the day that Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu had finally officially taken their documents to court. See the difference?