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yes…i really read finish..^^
wow last weekend for Dr Jin already. Baffie-neesan, ready for your marathon?
Oh, you had to go there did you?
To be honest, I’m going to have to give it some time. I just don’t think I can immerse myself in it right away.
Reading the recaps on DB have made me cringe. I truly believe Jaejoong is giving a stellar performance. But how does one go about trying to watch something where you feel the need to FF almost every other scene?
When the scriptwriter for heaven’s sake apologizes for the quality of the script, and mentions the abrupt editing, how are you suppose to take this drama seriously? This thing is so bad on so many levels. I still can’t imagine why they needed an extension. Just get the thing over with already. I’m just grateful they didn’t get the full 6 ep. ext. I understand they asked for.
I’ll let you know when I start it. But, I’m not looking forward to it.
DO IT! DO IT!
I watched EVERYTHING!!!! I suffered through YoungRae who cries at the drop of a hat (GOD!!! The violin music when she starts leaking like a sieve!), I suffered through Hyuk’s moronic “nobility” (You WILL want to smack this fool!), the really bad props they brought on set (you’ll see what I mean) and I suffered through the complete mindfuck of time travel and “alternate universes” as well as some serious character inconsistencies. If you concentrate on the political aspects you will make it! Take my advice!!! Concentrate on the following characters: HaEung, KyungTak, ChunHong, YoungHwi and JooPal. Then revel in the evilness of Left Minister Kim and his council of “evil” who do have their funny moments. You might also feel sympathy for the dead King. The ONLY time I tolerated Hyuk was when he was with the King or with HaEung. You might feel differently.
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME DROWNING HERE!!!!!
@retrokim
“I watched EVERYTHING!!!!”
DO IT! you say. Oh my friend, that is easier said than done. I started, began feeling queasy about ep. 4. I kept trying to figure out what in the hell were they trying to say? I feel for all the actors to be honest. They really were not given quality material to work with.
I’m in the process of finishing up Queen Seon Duk. It’s long, but all those who have seen it can attest, this is what a historical drama should look, and sound like. The actors, major and minor were given an incredible script, with fantastic direction, and awesome editing. It’s no wonder, it was the hit it was. All the necessary ingredients were there. I’m even re-watching RTP for my kdrama group’s drama of the month. The comparison is SO STRIKING!
The director of this train wreck should never be hired again, until he goes back to school and pays attention in class THIS time. Dr. Jin should be used as a discussion piece on how NOT TO SCREW UP a drama. Maybe he can be placed on the torture rack and made to confess his sins.
I already identified the characters you mentioned as being the backbone of the drama. If it were not for them, this mess would be even worse. Yes, the political subtext is the only solid part, but even that has some serious holes in it.
I will have to wait a week or two before making up my mind as to WHEN I can venture forth into the morass known as Dr. Jin. When I do, I’ll let you know. You are a braver soul than I am. I thought I was tough, but you are even tougher. I bow to your toughness.
….BAF2…..please…..please……just a few eps.
I know. There are some ugly holes in this whole thing and you’ll have some “WTF” moments but…..come on….please.
Or you can like….drink while you watch. Alcohol makes for more tolerant people.
Kidding aside, I don’t know. It wasn’t the worst thing I ever saw and I concentrated on the very few redeeming moments but it is a very strange drama and I really couldn’t understand Hyuk at all. Even ChunHong started to piss me off with her secrets but at the same time I can’t blame her because Hyuk is just too stupid. This idiot can’t be trusted with much. I also didn’t like the “violin music”. I laughed at first but then it really wasn’t funny anymore. French Priest Ridel will make you “LOL, LYOA, LYFAO” etc etc.
Even the best characters were inconsistent not just Hyuk. It was a mess but it had its moments and well….Jaejoong learned a lesson from this I’m sure.
@retrokim, you made me laugh. Good job for hanging in there. What we do for our biases
@BAF, Queen Seonduk is a well done drama, I love historical dramas.
As a whole Korean dramas lately, have been disappointing and lacking. I don’t know what it is. The writers keep going back to the same ideas, instead of trying something new. It seems every Korean drama boils down to a love triangle of some sort. Whether historical or modern, whether drama or comedy, it’s always about the love triangles, quadrangles etc.
I also agree with retrokim about the poor and cheaply made sets and props. Maybe because I have been watching Chinese historical dramas lately, with the huge and lavish sets, but the cheapness of the Korean sets are becoming more obvious. I am not just blaming Dr. Jin, because even KBS’ historical have suffered a similar fate. I mean Gwanggaeto the Great, is a national hero of Korea, some might even say, the whole of Asia and I am still offended at the hack job that KBS did with his story. Now that drama beats Dr. Jin, in the destroying a good subject matter sweepstakes. When I think about Gwanggaeto and his fabled lore and to see what that drama reduced him too, SMH.
If you are a fan of historical dramas, watch some of the Japanese Taigas and compare the epic battle scenes in those dramas, with what historical dramas pass off as battle scenes.
Lol, sorry for the long rant, I take my drama watching seriously. Korean dramas are my favorite, and I want them to get back to being on top and as good as they once were.
@lisan
“As a whole Korean dramas lately, have been disappointing and lacking. I don’t know what it is. The writers keep going back to the same ideas, instead of trying something new. ”
Loved your post. A big “ME TOO!” on the subject of Korean historical dramas – they are by far my favorite type. I’ve watched bunches of them, as a matter of fact I just started another one today entitled “Daemang.” This one has a fascinating cast: Jo In Sung, Jang Hyuk, Jang Guen Suk – wow! This one was filmed in 2002 so it’s an older one. All kinds of old faithful characters are popping up in it
(Park Yong Kyu from PTB, Lee Won Jong from Dr Jin, etc etc etc) I love Jang Hyuk (‘Chuno’ made me a believer. Have you seen that?) and here we get a nice handsome YOUNG Jang Hyuk so I’m a happy camper.
Anyway, happy viewing! I started with Chinese dramas too. Have you seen “Young Warriors Of The Yang Clan”? A Classic.
@lili, where are you watching Daemang on? I am currently watching Legend of Zhen Huan on viki. The drama is amazing. So excellent.
@lisan
“@lili, where are you watching Daemang on? I am currently watching Legend of Zhen Huan on viki. The drama is amazing. So excellent.”
I had to buy it. It was just nowhere I could ever see on the web. It’s really Old School K-drama, I gotta say. (it was made in 2002) There are SO many actors I recognize from multiple other dramas. Park Sang Won plays Jang Hyuk’s father – I haven’t seen him in anything since “The Legend” (he played Hogae’s father) but I really liked him in that.
Is “Legend of Zhen Huan” Chinese? Who’s in it?
There are some fans who think to even critic anything is a capital offense, hence I have refrained from saying anything. However, I do agree with you that the behind the scenes powers (producer, director, writer etc.) did a terrible job. How the director keeps getting to be in charge of high profile projects beats me. This guy almost derailed Lee Min Ho’s career with his hack job on Personal Taste. The drama was all over the place, and I am not saying this because I am a JYJ fan, but the only redeemable thing about the drama was Jaejoong’s performance.
The writing was terrible and the drama never seemed cohesive, like they couldn’t figure out whether they wanted to be taken seriously or not. Park Min Young has always been a light weight and this drama did her no favors, it might even have hurt her reputation. The good thing is that the awfulness of the leads allowed Jaejoong to shine even more, so there’s a silver lining.
The extension was simply a money grab, more episodes, equals more money. The drama might not have had high ratings, but due to the “hallyu” nature of the actors involved, was able to sell out their ads and secure a good purchase price in the international market.
@lisan
“How the director keeps getting to be in charge of high profile projects beats me. This guy almost derailed Lee Min Ho’s career with his hack job on Personal Taste. ”
He sure derailed it for me. I watched about half of the 1st episode and just said “NO!” Life is too short. (Then again, I am NOT a big fan of rom-coms in general. For me, “Protect The Boss” was a stretch. I wasn’t a fan of the type of show it was, but I watched it anyway for Jae’s performance and also because I really do like Ji Sung a lot.) This show was when I got my first glimpse of what Jaejoong brings to a production. It still slightly amazes me that his co-stars don’t universally HATE him but they don’t seem to, not at all. But anyway, I was taken aback at Jae’s ability to just sort of cruise in and take over. Now of course, he’s just done it again in Dr. Jin and also again, everybody ended up loving him to death on the show.
I’ve always believed that picking your projects is absolutely crucial to having a successful career. Not being THE STAR of everything you do, but choosing quality of the role instead. So I’m just hoping that Jaejoong’s next project will be a great drama, worthy of his name appeal, growing fame and acting chops.
well said, I hope he chooses a great project
I know many of us were Jaechunsu fans since DBSK days, so when the split happened, we continued to support them as JYJ, but that was not simply blind allegience on our part because we made a decision to support them after seeing evidence of SM’s mistreatment and Homin’s behavior and attitude towards Jaechunsu, which made us even more sure that we have chosen the right side.
But what if the reverse had happened, and Homin left SM while Jaechunsu stayed? And Jaechunsu had stayed so they could “protect” the DBSK name? Would we have chosen differently? If it was Junsu who made the ‘geese’ remark instead, would I still support him the way i do now? I used to think that good music is good music, doesn’t matter to me what kind of person the singer is. But since the split and all the events that happened after, i realised that i can’t enjoy the music of someone i don’t respect. I’ve been wanting to ask this question for a long time, so i’m curious what you all think. If admins think this is not appropriate, feel free to delete this.
Homin’s behavior wasn’t a factor for me. If they want to stay in that company and wear SME thongs sent to them by dear LSM for Christmas because he is too cheap to buy fur boxers then……..it is their own choice…….Hope you guys see I was kidding….thongs……*shudder*
I think JYJ fans should just let it go. When Homin refused to meet JJ at the airport was it? I wasn’t hurt….Not even on JJ’s behalf. That is between him and Homin. I know some fans like to “defend” him from Homin but I find that to be condescending. They’ve know each other for years and therefore they can fix things between themselves *if* they want to. They are grown ass men. Women need to back the hell off. My opinions or feelings about this really don’t matter because it *is* personal no matter how twisted and public SME and the antis want to make this seem.
I decided as a fairly rational human being to follow JYJ because
1. I LOVE their music.
2. They chose a hard path after a difficult but worthy decision.
3. They have acted with such composure in the face of a very long and arduous process with the mud-slinging SME/Avex
4. They are VERY good-looking.
5. They have surprised me. They have done things I would have never imagined they would do when I first saw their baby faces so long ago.
6. They have talent and I am very anxious to see what they will do. They are still young and I’m not going anywhere.
My problem with SME isn’t Homin. My problem is the disgusting and illegal behavior and actions of this company. Old men (who I assume are stockholders) groping a young female talent? The inhumane schedules, the degrading manner in which idols are viewed in South Korea, the horribly one-sided contracts, the lack of artistic freedom and then one of the WORST things to me: Treating them like teenagers who will never grow up. It is a SCANDAL for a young talent to date. Why? Because some derp-faced “fans” would be “hurt” that these young men and women may one day want to start families or live with their significant other. OH NO!!!! We can’t ruin some selfish fan’s fantasy! How will we milk money out of the morons then?
I think people who pay attention to Homin (in the face of this horrible lawsuit) are either OT5s or those who can’t stop fighting with Homin stans. I can’t care for Homin when I never did much in the 1st place and when frankly there are a million things more important. This fight against companies like SME is definitely one of them. I personally believe that JYJ deserve all of our support. Homin are doing just fine so their fans only need worry of buying their latest album and keeping them in the SME active roster. I can fairly say JYJ’s challenge is not really the same.
OnlyJYJ
“I know many of us were Jaechunsu fans since DBSK days, so when the split happened, we continued to support them as JYJ, but that was not simply blind allegience on our part because we made a decision to support them…”
An interesting question and topic for discussion you’ve raised there, but I swear if I have to read that “protect the name” nonsense one more time I think I’ll scream! There are these various catch-phrases as regards the DBSK franchise that I’ve noticed ALL Cassies repeat to each other, over and over, word for word. (I’m not talking about you here, OnlyJYJ, obviously you have a mind freed of this kind of hypnotic rhetoric or you wouldn’t have raised the topic.) If there was ever a textbook example of propaganda created to support and explain away the SM agenda, this kind of thing is it. Homin is NOT “protecting the name” by shamelessly using it and claiming in ads and press to be the group that had all of their earlier success when they were five. What they are “protecting” is SM’s ability to keep exploiting the name for profit. Period.
Now as to your main topic query, it’s really difficult to fathom JYJ not being the ones to have left, knowing what I know about the kind if people they are. It’s a hard premise to get my head around, frankly. But bottom line for me is that I would have followed those 3 voices, the undisputed real talent pool in DBSK in my estimation; I would have always wanted to listen to those three. I’ll admit it would have been very difficult for me to see them continue to toady to SM’s game plan, but the talent would have remained there, with them and that’s why I listened when they were five and that’s why I listen now that they are JYJ – because of those three voices.
I have never viewed Homin as anything more than attractive backing vocalists and eye-candy and that would not have changed no matter where they went. I imagine however that I would have felt far different about them as people, as men, if they had been the ones to break free.
@lilibaiyu
“I have never viewed Homin as anything more than attractive backing vocalists and eye-candy and that would not have changed no matter where they went. I imagine however that I would have felt far different about them as people, as men, if they had been the ones to break free”
Yes, i’m sure a lot of fans would have felt the same way and see Homin in a different light, even if they are not the most talented members. But would fans still respect JYJ if they had stayed and behaved the way Homin did, just purely because they are the more talented members? I hope you get where i’m coming from cos to be honest, i find that i don’t always articulate my thoughts very well.
@OnlyJYJ
“Yes, i’m sure a lot of fans would have felt the same way and see Homin in a different light, even if they are not the most talented members. But would fans still respect JYJ if they had stayed and behaved the way Homin did….”
You know what, I did some more thinking about this question lying in bed this morning. And I have to admit now that I too need to respect an entertainer and the kind of person he is in order to like and be entertained by him. This is why I just cannot bear to even listen or look at Homin now — because of the hurtful things they did to the members of JYJ. When they were all seemingly happy in DBSK I certainly didn’t feel that way, not at all, although I never regarded them as important talents in the group. If JYJ really had done all of those awful things to the 2 members who were only trying to be free and be paid what they had earned, I think now that most likely I would have simply fallen away from following them and listening to them much. There are certainly a lot of great artists, great singers in the world of Korean pop music and I already like lots of them. I think I probably would have just listened to them more.
@lilibaiyu
I feel the same as you. Homin never really caught my attention even back then, but still i think they played their part dutifully as members of the group. In a group you can’t have everyone being the lead singer, so i feel i can at least give them some credit for that. Which is why i don’t have problems listening to old DBSK songs, its their new songs i stay away from. For me music is a form of therapy; can’t imagine how i can enjoy it with all the negative feelings inside! Thanks for your comments. I don’t post often so it’s nice to have people “talk back” to me.
@OnlyJYJ
To be honest, this kind of ‘role reversal’ game playing is not an exercise I can engage in. I can when need be, conjure up some very interesting scenarios when I want to. But this just is not something that appeals to me.
As @retrokim mentioned, this was not about HoMin, but SME. Who stayed or left is really irrelevant to me. I’m sorry they stayed, but hey, these are their lives and they have to live them. Flipping the individuals is not going to change the complexion of SME.
Once a snake pit always a snake pit. Doesn’t matter who is there in it. No amount of scrubbing is going to clean the snake oil off LSM and cohorts. What happens between the two entities (JYJ/HoMin) is their business.
I’m more interested in using my thought process and imagination on ways to highlight, advance, and strengthen JYJ’s future. Because the members of JYJ are the ones important to me, any other scenario just doesn’t have any appeal.
But whoever wants to engage, so be it. I just don’t have an interest in it. Sorry.
I knew DBSK in late 2010, without knowing about the lawsuit at all at first. I immediately felt in love right after that, because of all the combination aspects they had. I have to admit that it was JJ and Junsu whom I was attracted the most because of their voices. It was around early 2011 that I discovered about JYJ leaving the group, and that made me disappointed with JYJ to the point that I decided to just simply continue listening to their old songs without giving any damn care about how the groups are doing afterwards, nor I care about the reason behind their acts as well.
But one day I got so curious about how JYJ are doing, I guess it was because I missed JJ’s and Junsu’s voices so much, so I went to search their works and bumped into their “The,,, “ mini album. That particular mini album became a turning point in my fangirl heart. After watching and listening they sung with the same sincerity, the same passion, and the never change angelic voices, I felt in love again with JYJ. Later on I began to search information about the lawsuit, cried reading about their stories, and here I am right now, stand by JYJ’s side. Thanks God I found “The..” mini album first, because “The Beginning” album wouldn’t have made the same effects on me.
“i realised that i can’t enjoy the music of someone i don’t respect” this statement of yours I have to agree with.
So if it was Homin who are in JYJ’s position right now, and with all the same factorials which my heart fond of, I definitely will support Homin. The key is, I have to know their product’s quality, before deciding to support an artist. But I guess I wouldn’t have support Homin the same level I support JYJ right now, because as I have mentioned above, I have my heart fond of JJ’s and Junsu’s voices since the very first time. Maybe I would have to see Homin’s products first. One thing for sure, I would no longer see JYJ the same again, I would lost a great amount of respect to JYJ as I do with Homin right now. No matter how angelic JJ’s and Junsu’s voices are, if they shut their mouth up to this whole matter, I would no longer felt the attractiveness of their voices and their songs.
My support to JYJ is a combination of many factors, so it was wrong if maybe a non-fan said that I support JYJ just because of their handsome face. I’m grateful it was JYJ who stand up against all of this mess, it fits my heart’s fondness and JYJ’s talents speak a lot to the world to see which one’s worth more. How about you yourself, @OnlyJYJ ??
@ai uta
Like i mentioned in my original post, it would be difficult to enjoy the music of someone i don’t respect. I can imagine that my heart would be so conflicted, which is why like you, i’m glad they had been the ones who left despite knowing full well the obstacles that lay ahead.
Their decision to get out of SME and their behavior afterwards certainly made me a bigger fan. Previously, they were talented and of course very popular, but many people still thought of them as teenagers/idols who would only do as they were told. I think the public appreciated the success they had achieved in Korea and Japan, but they were still pawns of a big, shady entertainment company, that produced their music, taught their songs, and all they had to decide was their hairstyle. If you remember their performances in the Golden Disk Awards before their break up, the actors were not that enthusiastic, whereas JYJ’s return stage in KBS singing “Found You” was met with enthusiastic response from everyone. I think that was when people saw them as genuine men, who made decisions and took risks, they received respect not just for their appearance and talent, but also for their guts and determination as people. They risked everything to make a stand, even if it meant they had to become underdogs, that certainly took a lot of courage. I think people who know them, will like and respect them as a person. Before, it was about talents and appearances, now it is much more than that.
Another thing is also about the nature/personalities of people. Some people are conservative, once they have attained a reasonable amount of success, they would rather keep it that way and protect what they have regardless of the price they have to pay. Others are progressive, and want to keep pushing their own limits and talents, and ask the question, “Can it be better? Is this all we can achieve?”, “Is this situation morally right?” Some people call it “greed” or “ambition” but I think following this path takes a lot of courage and confidence, and these are the people that actually make changes happen. From arts and sciences to social progress and equality, these people who are not satisfied with the status-quo and demand better from themselves and others, are the ones that make a difference.
I think that is why I have greater love and respect for JYJ and their music than before.
@readunderthetree
Wow! Excellent comment. I feel the same.
@readunderthetree
Ditto
@readunderthetree
I agree, there’s so much we can learn from JYJ isn’t it?
“If you remember their performances in the Golden Disk Awards before their break up, the actors were not that enthusiastic, whereas JYJ’s return stage in KBS singing “Found You” was met with enthusiastic response from everyone.”
well said!!
Well said, Bravo. Internet High five to you. I am a bigger JYJ fan now, because I believe in what they are fighting for.
@lisan
“I am a bigger JYJ fan now, because I believe in what they are fighting for.”
Ditto.
@retrokim @BAF
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I too chose to support JYJ because of their talent and courage to pursue the difficult path, but what Homin did/didn’t do was definitely an important push factor. But i don’t consider myself OT5, so while i don’t hate Homin, I also don’t have much attachment towards them. Of course i’m wasn’t expecting anyone to lose sleep over this “what if” situation i have here, i just thought it’ll be interesting to know what others have to say.
I understand. Some people did cherish the bond they had and were pushed more towards JYJ (if they weren’t already so inclined) because in retrospect they did do something that was a personal choice (Homin) but….in such a self-serving and cowardly manner, so I can understand why some fans may be hurt listening to the old songs.
If they had just had the balls to say that they wanted to stay because they believed that was best for them I think a good deal of Cassies wouldn’t be as hurt as they are now. Instead they chose to fling mud at JYJ. I get confused with those two because they really could have just said: “We talked it out and decided it was best for us to stay. JYJ felt differently. It was tough but at the end we chose our respective paths. We wish them well. Support us for our upcoming album.” But no nelly! They lied (shamelessly) and milked the drama and the “victim” card to its fullest and then they had the audacity to bring in the “loyalty” card and THEN (if that wasn’t enough) they cleaned their hands and completely contradicted themselves by claiming that they never knew anything about the lawsuit and that JYJ should just clear up the mess with SME and that they will be waiting for their return. WHUT? Did you just make this into something personal and then chose to NOT make it personal? Funny, I didn’t know it worked like that.
I never quite believed that brotherhood stuff nor was I good Cassie but….jesus if that back-stabbing shit didn’t piss me off. But the past is past and well….I’m not JYJ and I’m not Homin so I’ll just take care of my own business. What more can I do?
@retrokim
“”We talked it out and decided it was best for us to stay. JYJ felt differently. It was tough but at the end we chose our respective paths. We wish them well. Support us for our upcoming album.” ”
You make a good point. If they’d just said that, how much DIFFERENT would the aftermath have been! But here’s the thing: a peaceful transition in the fandom is NOT what SM wanted. SM wanted to turn the fandom against JYJ because as we now know, they wanted to ruin any chance they had of a continued career after leaving SM. This is what has always angered me — that Homin were willingly used by SM to support this agenda, to willingly lend a hand to destroying the futures of their “brothers.” They actively, knowingly participated on a number of occasions. I’m usually a pretty understanding person, but THIS one really just defies my best efforts to forgive it.
@retrokim
“But the past is past and well….I’m not JYJ and I’m not Homin so I’ll just take care of my own business…”
I like the way you see things, makes me think if every fan were like you, there won’t be so much angst in the fandom! The brotherhood i believe was there, but things change and people move on. What matters is who stayed with you during the toughest times.
Men, not to sound like a broken record, but I agree with you again
I understand that some fans want to hold on to the past, but the fact that Homin were so willing to throw JYJ under the bus, then run over them again, gives me pause about them. If what they say is true and they are not slaves of SM, then we can assume that all those bad things they said about JYJ is from them. For them to say they had no idea about the lawsuit, which to me is an obvious lie, makes me question anything else they have to say. What is that saying about fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
If they just owned up and said to their fans, listen, “we stayed, because we were more comfortable and were afraid to try to strike out on our own.” I would have more respect for them. But to come out and question JYJ’s upbringing and moral character and cause so much poison in the fandoms… Groups break up all the time, but this type of scorched earth, battle till destruction, is one I will never understand.
i wouldn’t care for both? lol. i was around lurking on the kpop heaven when db5k was around. but despite them being exceptionally talented and good-looking, i didn’t feel really interested to them. partly because i have another bias, partly because i’m a huge fan of k-variety shows and k-dramas… and db5k is imo the worst boy group in variety show, and back then all of them are such awkward acting-dols. they gained my interest as i found out about their lawsuit (i was following hangeng’s lawsuit at that time), and later introduced me to their japan activities, and during those times i’m only interested in junsu/jaejoong, later on with yoochun post skks. IF i never found out about jyj’s brave decision, i probably would never care about them. IF it’s homin who went on lawsuit, i’d probably just cheer for them from behind, as i never found them to be really attractive. and i probably will ended up cheering 24/7 rookie boybands like beast or infinite. :p
… good question.
IF Junsu said that remark ” If it was Junsu who made the ‘geese’ remark instead” i wouldnt….godcantevensayit. I’ll still listen to him, but i’d lose all my respect. Because..i hv this expectations.. and Junsu always, always exceed that. He’s always better than i thought. So for him to suddenly do that, i think i might just broke down. That said, to JYJ as trio, i believe in them.
If homin left, would i support them? Hm.. i’d approve, maybe, of them. But i wont follow them. At the end of the day, it’s who can bring pleasure to my ears.
I’d liked tvxq before because of the members, not because of the name. That name has no longer got any meaning to me, except when i mention that as in the past.
Hi! I’ve been following jyj for a really long time, ever since I got into Kpop after watching SKKS and Dream High, and I never really looked up Homin’s side of the lawsuit. I only ever read up on JYJ’s side and all the bad things SMent did to them. But I’ve always ignored what Homin said about JYJ after the lawsuit. So… could you tell me what kind of things Homin said about JYJ after they left, if it was their own decision to make these proclamations (or if it was SM’s), etc… Thanks!!
So everyone read about the arbitration and lawsuit about the jyj vs sm right?
I have a question about the arbitration .. How court gives permission for arbitration? It is by both side agreement ??? or one sided decision without the other side knowing or like that … i really want to know about the real reason(the detail reason what they submitted in court for going in the arbitration) .. but non can be found ….
and what made me sad that “If JYJ and SM cannot reach an agreement then a new trial process will start so that a judge can make the final ruling.” ..this means the court case will again run for some time AGAIN from the START ???? ..
so in the end SM will drag the case as much they want to *sigh* …
I really hope JYJ can get the freedom they want but SM is making it harder we can see that.
@jjer
“So everyone read about the arbitration and lawsuit about the jyj vs sm right? I have a question about the arbitration .. ”
Believe me, I have the same questions. We have so far gotten NO additional enlightenment on whether Sejong (JYJ’s law firm) has actually agreed to arbitration yet or not. Possibly we’ll be told more after August 10th. I think the problem is that C-jeS doesn’t think we actually understand or care about the progress of the lawsuit. I think they think we are teenagers who just want to look at the guys and enjoy their music and that’s about it. When JYJFiles was active, we were always told more and were able to understand and process what was going on. But not now. Now we are forced to speculate and use common sense and as we have just discovered to our shock when a final verdict was set to come down and then all of a sudden wasn’t any more, the the justice system in SK in JYJ’s case seems to fly in the face of common sense and all that we know about justice in western countries.
Ha, I wonder why JYJfiles stopped being active
The problem is that the government is heavily invested in Kpop. And sadly, Kpop is South Korea’s biggest cultural export. Which befuddles me, because South Korea is so culturally rich, I mean the clothes, the food, the traditional music and dance, but that’s a topic for another day.
SM is arguably the biggest promoter of the so called Hallyu wave and JYJ’s lawsuit exposes things that people don’t want to admit or want to see exposed. Who wants to admit that behind the bubble gum, utopian happiness image that Kpop likes to project, is a sweatshop type system. Hence, I think people are placing pressure on the court system to somehow finagle SM out of this mess. I am still hoping that justice will prevail and praying for JYJ’s success.
@lisan
“SM is arguably the biggest promoter of the so called Hallyu wave and JYJ’s lawsuit exposes things that people don’t want to admit or want to see exposed. ”
Oh, I know it’s going to be ever so embarrassing to the Republic of S Korea for its leading light in the Hallyu Wave to get caught with its pants down around the ankles. Tolerating, no — being all cozy with a cult-like sweatshop there’s no way out of full of under-aged kids is hardly the thing that good world opinion is made of – that commodity that SK wants to get a hold of SOOOO very badly. But sidling in and fudging the outcome of this trial is really going beyond what any reasonable person anywhere would view as being fair. Things like that have a way of seeing the light of day, too. Especially with probably a million angry JYJ fans and counting going all medieval on their asses (I always loved that description by Samuel L. Jackson in the movie “Out Of Sight”)
To interfere with the court’s decision would be a horrendous mistake for the current government of SK. I just can’t think WHY they would make such a rash and potentially disastrous move, having pretensions as they do about being a modern democracy. Time will tell.
you see that is the issue with South Korea at times, it’s like they are stuck in some sort of limbo. They are like a “first world” country plagued with so called “third world” problems.
@lisan
One of the main reasons why TheJYJFiles is not doing what it used to do, their major Korean translator and article submitter had to leave because of a new career assignment. Her name is Jimmie. Without her translation skills and international law experience, the site was left with big shoes to fill. She is missed but not forgotten by those of us who frequented the site.
@BAF
“One of the main reasons why TheJYJFiles is not doing what it used to do, their major Korean translator and article submitter had to leave because of a new career assignment. Her name is Jimmie. ”
Dear, brilliant Jimmie. I miss her so much. I hope she is doing well. I wonder what she makes of all of these latest developments?
@lili and @BAF, thanks for explaining about JYJFiles. They did such a good job with the lawsuit. I hope they comeback for a last Hurrah, when JYJ Wins!
@Lisan
“thanks for explaining about JYJFiles. They did such a good job with the lawsuit. I hope they comeback for a last Hurrah, when JYJ Wins!”
I really miss Jimmie. She was a resource like no other. I started out on JYJFiles. That’s where I boned up on all legal matters JYJ and where I posted for the first half year or so. Then BAF suggested I also try out JYJ3.
Gee, thanks, BAF. This has really been working out.
I want to know it too.. Some rumor from my friend.. she said that after JYJ vs SM negotiate, there is a chance JYJ comeback to SM n Homin. NO.. I cant imagine this happen.. and cant think raTionaly about this statement.
@salsabila
Please tell whatever ‘friends’ you have who wish to spread these kinds of ‘rumors’, to STOP.
The members of JYJ are NEVER going back to SME. I’m not sure if your ‘friends’ have ever paid attention to any of the facts of this lawsuit. No one in their right mind who experienced the nonsense these 3 young men experienced, would ever be so foolish as to return to that hell hole.
The only thing being negotiated in arbitration is how much SME owes JYJ. The court has already stated the contract is BS. So, don’t ever be confused by any ‘odd’ supposition about JYJ returning to SM. Yes, stick to your rationale that this doesn’t make sense.
@BAF
“The only thing being negotiated in arbitration is how much SME owes JYJ. The court has already stated the contract is BS. So, don’t ever be confused by any ‘odd’ supposition about JYJ returning to SM. Yes, stick to your rationale that this doesn’t make sense.”
What she said.
No way, if JYJ go back to the mafia I will keep myself away from their music & drama & not just them but the whole K- entertainment!
@salsabila
“Some rumor from my friend.. she said that after JYJ vs SM negotiate, there is a chance JYJ comeback to SM n Homin.”
Yeah, that’s not gonna happen. No how, no way. As in N-E-V-E-R.
Why bother listening to these ‘rumors’? People/ot5 has been spreading this rumor since 2009 but we don’t see any improvement/actions regarding that rumor right? I’ll just forget about this and concentrate on something worthwhile if I was you.
@salsabila
I would have to agree with everyone else. There’s no way that JYJ would go back to SM after being so successful on their own. They have tasted the freedom they’ve always wanted, and I don’t think they would want to sacrifice this.
I fully agree. They tasted the sweetness of a real freedom.
Totally agree with all your comments. A new fan after watching Rooftop Prince. Don’t know much about the five-member group. Haven’t listened to much of JYJ music. Just feel how SM can be so mean. Hope soon JYJ will be able to get rid of all SM’s sabotage and members can be on K-TV shows.
Hello new fan! I want to encourage you to really pick up an album and give it a go. Their In Heaven album is available on iTunes so that’s the most accessible if ordering from a foreign country is troublesome. Their individual activities are phenomenal but seriously, their three voices create a sound that is not to be missed. I’ve always connected through music by the lyrics (not counting classical because concertos have a whole language of its own) and I thought how silly would it be to listen to songs in a language I don’t understand. But JYJ have really opened my eyes on music from foreign countries and how a well paced note, a beautiful tone, a sky high expressive range; they can all connect more clearly and deeply then words ever will. I guarantee you will not be disappointed!
Thanks for the suggestion. I hesitated to try their music for the same reason as yours, lyrics in a foreign language. Will try iTune.
@All
thanks for replay. I agree. I just shock.. when JYJ final decision have been delayed.. When i upset and angry..there are some fans who have hope they comeback as 5 in this condition. Jyj give up and back to S*
Sorry, i became fans jyj since Nov 2011. know dbs5k just from past video n story. i will happy if they are reunion as 5 and If they all happy. but, think about reunion now is too much.
i have a question. is it right that MV Mirotic was played at JYJ Expo? maybe there is a fans here who came to expo
There exists 1 pic (only 1!) that shows a standard tv screen tunned to SBS channel where Mirotic MV was accidentally running and a board with JYJ expo orientation sign and opening times. So no, JYJ Expo didn ´t contain Mirotic MV.
Sooo, I heard Dr. Jin E22 is postponed due to the Korea vs Denmark badminton final, has anyone heard about it or when it’s broadcasting?
Isn’t the Korean badminton team disqualified? Or maybe I’m thinking ping-pong or something because I read in the news that the South Korean, Indonesian and one Chinese pair (for women’s finals) were disqualified due to intentionally trying to lose the game so they wouldn’t have to face the champion team. Is this the men’s finals then?
the doubles women were disqualified (both teams), for match fixing. The game that pushed Dr Jin off was the men’s doubles semifinal against denmark I think. SK won that and their final too i think, to win bronze medal
But I’m confused cause i heard that neither episode would be broadcast but I see E21 is out…. so makes me wonder about E22….
Oh! Thanks for the clear up. I think they did.
They talk about what happens to dramas during the Olympics here:
http://dramatic.weebly.com/yeouido010.html
It is long-winded but it does explain things well. He seems to not like sports much so I assume he is a pencil pusher of some kind.
what do u guys think about this?
http://www.asianjunkie.com/2012/08/ask-asian-junkie-if-the-court-rules-in-favor-of-jyj-will-anything-change/
I’m afraid I have to be agree with the writer’s opinion. I see this case will only affects / determines the JYJ-SM relationship matter as no more than two common dispute parties, without no more affecting the currently running idol industries systems in SK. So sad but true, since the common SK people, idol fans, and the idols within the company itself are pretty much accepting the situations. This situations involving big companies, government, and money are always complicated in any countries. Almost no one dare to speak if not for the sake of self safety.
I’m interested in one of the commentator’s comment, he said that somehow JYJ are manipulating their loyal fans, and makes the fans feel pity on them so that the fans keep loyal towards them. It might be just my opinion, but I have to agree with the “pity” impression he said, though not in a bad way offcourse. I sure myself felt pity over JYJ because they practically are fighting all the way to survive by themselves, but seriously, who won’t be? That said, I don’t felt being manipulated by anybody, because I’m actually sane and willing to support JYJ. I don’t feel JYJ intend to make themselves looks pitiful, it’s rather coming pure from the fans feelings.
Some commentators also said about the “pity” impression because he felt that the quality of jyj’s albums (JYJ’s compositions) are far behind from the works of SM’s and Avex’s. In this comments I have to cringe myself. In my opinion, the key is not in the company, but in the hand of the composers behind the companies. SM’s and Avex’s will be nothing if they don’t have their greatest composers in hand. That’s why I wonder do composers also have some kind of exclusive contract with big entertainment companies? How wonderful life would be if there’s no any kind of monopoly….
@ai uta
“So sad but true, since the common SK people, idol fans, and the idols within the company itself are pretty much accepting the situations. This situations involving big companies, government, and money are always complicated in any countries. Almost no one dare to speak if not for the sake of self safety.”
Yes, until the culture changes, not much else will change. It has to be something that gets in people’s faces. Then and only then, will they realize they are the ones who can make a difference. It’s a along arduous process. Look around the world though, it is happening.
@ai uta
“Some commentators also said about the “pity” impression because he felt that the quality of jyj’s albums (JYJ’s compositions) are far behind from the works of SM’s and Avex’s. In this comments I have to cringe myself. In my opinion, the key is not in the company, but in the hand of the composers behind the companies. SM’s and Avex’s will be nothing if they don’t have their greatest composers in hand. That’s why I wonder do composers also have some kind of exclusive contract with big entertainment companies? ”
Yes, most certainly they do. They are signed to exclusive publishing agreements by the time their songs ever show up on a CD. They are also forbidden to write with JYJ, obviously. My understanding is that any songwriter who does write with or for JYJ will also be boycotted by SM and their phony-baloney KFPAI (I don’t know if that is the right acronym . I can never remember that stupid association’s name which is just as well because they don’t actually even exist except on paper, to make trouble for JYJ.)
JYJ have already affected change in the industry. The length of contracts have been shortened and they are doing sweeping reviews of all management companies for legal and ethical violations. I don’t think people understand how huge that is. Change takes a very long time, especially if you are as big and well established as the companies are today in the industry.
I for one don’t pity JYJ. Not even a tiny bit. I get angry about them not getting a fair shake in promoting music activities, but I get mad for anyone that gets blocked like that. They are crazy successful and outpacing their contemporaries and even some of their sunbanims. They are talented, rich and beautiful to boot, what’s to pity?
thanks for sharing. i enjoy reading the article and the comments. i noticed that the asianjunkie resident commentators/authors aren’t there, maybe they’re occupied with the whole t-ara fiasco. good thing though, because i probably can’t handle their sarcasm towards jyj…
anyway, whether jyj’s result will change anything or not, i believe they’ve made impact to society. like someone have pointed there, they managed to make the contract length fairer. kpop is much worse in 90s, i read about turbo’s (kim jongkook duo) exploiting and it’s even worse than ccm (and ccm is the worst). maybe after few idols lawsuits, few early disbandments, people more aware, the idols’ management is getting better. i think if the result favoring in jyj AND jyj managed to promote freely after that, it’ll certainly affect kpop. at least a company will think twice before “cheating” on their idols, esp if the idols are the ones with exceptional talents and huge fanbase.
p.s. i read a comment about some suju members want to move to dsp, and that makes me laughed for a while. lol. i’d love to see that though it’s highly unlikely. xD
*dsp -> cjes
typo lol xD
@noiha
I thought the speculation about members of SuJu jumping ship since their contract will be ending was interesting too. Again, don’t know if it’s a rumor or not, no idea where the info came from. I’m not a SuJu fan so I just have no idea whether it’s real. But if there IS any actual talent in that group, I’d bet dollars that it’s the most talented ones that would possibly make the move to C-jeS for a try at a real career.
That’s I think why maybe nothing too drastic is going to change in K-Pop anytime soon. The big entertainment companies hold all the cards about who they sign and what the groups will be like. If my theory about the new direction of SM is correct, they will now shy away from the kind of singers who can leave them when they get famous and go off and have real careers where they are paid real money. They will concentrate on mediocre and/or borderline not-so-hot talent and depend on marketing and studio tricks to sell product. The groups themselves will know they can’t sing, not really, so they will be much less likely to cause problems and make trouble about leaving.
Ah yes, the infamous blind item…*wink wink* SuJu. As with all things, a grain of salt.
From my observation, the members of SJ will probably stay with SM for one reason and one reason only. They are like all others remaining in SM, they are part of the cult. With a cult mentality, it is damn near impossible to think or feel for one’s self.
SM has mastered the art of cult making. Smoke/mirrors. It’s their speciality. They do it better than anyone else in SK. But as my VE Sister mentions, they will begin relying on the marginally talented who can be marketed up the whazoo. No big losses for them, business as usual.
i wouldn’t care for both? lol. i was around lurking on the kpop heaven when db5k was around. but despite them being exceptionally talented and good-looking, i didn’t feel really interested to them. partly because i have another bias, partly because i’m a huge fan of k-variety shows and k-dramas… and db5k is imo the worst boy group in variety show, and back then all of them are such awkward acting-dols. they gained my interest as i found out about their lawsuit (i was following hangeng’s lawsuit at that time), and later introduced me to their japan activities, and during those times i’m only interested in junsu/jaejoong, later on with yoochun post skks. IF i never found out about jyj’s brave decision, i probably would never care about them. IF it’s homin who went on lawsuit, i’d probably just cheer for them from behind, as i never found them to be really attractive. and i probably will ended up cheering rookie boybands like beast or infinite. :p
it’s a reply to @OnlyJYJ above. idk why it ended up here. -.-
I read the article and came away from it with a couple of thoughts.
No, I don’t think JYJ winning the lawsuit will change anything in the SK kpop music industry. The reason being as one commenter said, the caliber of folks who run these companies. The mindsets of these CEOs are stuck in one place – stupid. They have one major goal in mind – make money. Yes, every for profit company wants to make money. But since morality and ethics on the kpop music scene are an oxymoron, no need to go any farther. No change will occur when one is stuck on stupid…it can’t be fixed.
Next I just love how folks always want to lump everyone in the same mix. No, I don’t feel ‘pity’ for JYJ. What I feel is ANGER! Anger that three young men who only asked to become free to pursue their dreams, to be treated as human beings, are being treated like pariahs and criminals. This is not a pity party here. JYJ are not ‘working’ me for pity. This is an ahjumma noona who doesn’t like bullies and snake oil salesmen. Never have, never will. Like I said before, I know enough when things don’t pass the smell test.
But again, I still hold that the Universe is going to make the corrections necessary in JYJ’s favor. That is how life happens.
I still find it interesting that people still feel the need to compare the music JYJ creates vs the music that came out of the music ‘factories’ that produce kpop. Again, they are missing the point. JYJ are still young. They are feeling their way around. They have their own recording studio. The time and freedom to work when they want to, how they want to, and on what they want to. So, if the music of JYJ doesn’t suit their tastes, ok, no biggie. Don’t buy it.
But when JYJ are still around 10-20 years from now. Where will the rest of the so-called kpop ‘masters’ be? Oh, that’s right. They will be headlining shows in Las Vegas with about 300 people showing up in a 20K seat arena.
people probably are trying to compare JYJ and the mainstream kpop today because “someone” want to show new artists that they wouldn’t be able to survive if they dare to leave like JYJ did :p honestly, to me at least, JYJ’s songs are not that catchy, and only those who have sane mind and good taste can like their music, because they put so much heart into making/producing each song.. where it’s the other way around for others, lol..
I agree with you, I believe that JYJ in 10-20 years would still shine, because they have the freedom to do everything they want and they have the talent!
JYJ fighting!! can’t wait for their next album/tour <3
@BAF
“This is an ahjumma noona who doesn’t like bullies and snake oil salesmen. Never have, never will. Like I said before, I know enough when things don’t pass the smell test. ”
Boy, is that ever true. The smell test for these bullies and criminals is all we EVER needed. Anybody, ANYBODY thinking straight could tell that SM was in the wrong in relation to their on-going actions against JYJ. A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y. I found the article on Asianjunkie tiring. That kind of flippant, snarky writing about a subject as serious and injurious to the artistic careers of JYJ, let alone how difficult it’s been on them mentally and physically, is just not my cup of tea.
VE Sister, it comes with the territory. The internet is the place for anyone who wants to say what they want. Doesn’t mean they are ALL going to make sense, or make good points. It is what it is.
Look, I took what they said, mostly worth a grain of salt. I love how they tried to segue in the sagaeng nonsense. That never seems to grow old. But look at the amount of traffic and that tells you just about all you need to know.
Just as there are going to be folks who don’t feel JYJ3 is not their cup of tea, I’m not about to lose sleep over it. There were some commenters who get it, some who sound like quasi-SME apologists, etc. A mixed bag.
My quote above, it’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
I didn’t read the article because based on others’ comments here, I know I’d be irritated if I clicked the link. No, I don’t need to let some “junk” influence my mood. People have different perspectives and opinions depending on where they stand. If they don’t stand on JYJ’s side and look at things from the boys’ points of view, they will only throw snarky and mocking remarks at JYJ like some haters do. Haven’t folks here already agreed that even if JYJ win the lawsuit, they will still probably be unable to appear on TV? The problem doesn’t simply lie in the lawsuit between JYJ and SME, it’s the whole entertainment industry with its various segments refusing the make changes for the better, and ganging up on some artists to “teach them a lesson” or “make an example out of them.” What do they expect to change if the court rules in favor of JYJ? JYJ sued SME over unfair contract and profit distribution. They want to get paid what they rightfully earned. They want to have freedom and control over their lives and careers. I thought all of these are personal? JYJ didn’t announce they would attempt to change the way the entertainment industry in Korea works when they proceeded with the lawsuit. It’s just fortunate that along the way, the court’s rulings have brought about favorable changes in idols’ contracts. Has anyone ever remotely thanked JYJ for that, or are some just unable to get over their petty selves with their oh-so-old “greed” and “selfishness” arguments? What I find ridiculous is that there have been quite a number of cases of other artists, which are similar to JYJ’s case, all of which were concluded rather quickly by the court and no one said anything bad about those artists. But JYJ’s case takes forever to finish and the boys have had to go through numerous insults and hatred. I just don’t understand.
I’m quite sure that I’m not manipulated into supporting JYJ. I’ve loved them before, I love them now. Nothing has changed. They’re still the three young men that make me smile and laugh, happy and proud whenever I watch them. I stand by their sides because I support their causes and admire their determination and talents. That’s my choice, I don’t pity JYJ. Like @BAF, I’m angry when I see them be treated unfairly and cock-blocked by some big shot companies. JYJ fall, they stand right back up and keep moving forward; they’re hindered, they find another way around; the door is closed in front of them, they make their own door to break through the wall. They’re brave and speak what is on their mind. Aren’t such behaviors enough for me to see JYJ differently from the rest of other K-pop idols who probably couldn’t stand on their own without the backing of a management company? In addition, music is a subjective topic. To each their own. JYJ’s compositions may not be as great as those of famous musicians, but I don’t like most of the songs and sounds of general K-pop idols, with only few exceptions, so what? JYJ’s songs are good and they get better as they write more, also the boys pay attention to the lyrics. They have so much talents and potentials, it’s enticing to watch them grow and achieve one goal after another. I’m not loyal to JYJ just because I feel bad for them period.
@Angie
“What I find ridiculous is that there have been quite a number of cases of other artists, which are similar to JYJ’s case, all of which were concluded rather quickly by the court and no one said anything bad about those artists. But JYJ’s case takes forever to finish and the boys have had to go through numerous insults and hatred. I just don’t understand.”
It’s called collusion (goodness knows who and how many), and marketing (LSM/SME are geniuses at this, giving credit where credit is due). Sort of gives the SK judicial system a bad name.
@Angie
Well defined thoughts
Thought one: It’s the unfair contract. Thumbs up on that POV ^___^
Thought two: I have always respected JYJ’s decision and continue to support them with my inspiration and my money kekeke….Unlike what other junk was written about Our JYJ.
It’s so funny to see SM is trying to get pity and trying to manipulate people with their so called nothing will be changed, we will see to it. I may be young but one thing I learned is that, everything in this life changes and will change. The only three things that won’t change are birth, death and paying taxes. Everything in between is changing.
@Angie
“I didn’t read the article because based on others’ comments here, I know I’d be irritated if I clicked the link. No, I don’t need to let some “junk” influence my mood.”
OMG, you’re such a SMART PERSON!!! lol When I grow up, I wanna be YOU.
This baby was toxic from start to finish.
@lili
Haha, you make me embarrassed. Some brave souls have made some sacrifice and read articles like this so that others like me can avoid the hassle. I owe my thank to the sisters above who gave me a general idea of what it is about.
@Angie
“Haha, you make me embarrassed. Some brave souls have made some sacrifice and read articles like this so that others like me can avoid the hassle.”
lolol Yes. I’m one of the idiots who got about halfway down the page before i bailed. What a waste of my time! And I’ll never get those precious minutes back, either. And then… sitting at my computer, I just felt USED and quite shitty, really. And I did it to myself! I clicked on the link and started reading! See — you’re smarter. I gotta set my internal radar to go off when it hits upon “articles that will ruin my whole day!”
@lilibaiyu
You are very brave
You have always been a very brave person to me since I encountered JYJ3 site.
Don’t let any moods discourage you from being yourself. Cheer up!
@cat95
”
“@lilibaiyu You are very brave
Thanks, Cat95!
xxoo
http://www.smtown.jp/touhoushinki/member-profile Someone can PLEASE tell me whats going on?! why all the places are putting JYJ in TVXQ’s profile again?! sorry if my english is bad dalskjdlkj!
http://forums.allkpop.com/threads/dbsk-official-sm-member-profiles-updated-with-jyj.23056/
what does this mean? T______________T JYJ at SM’s Korean and Japanese Website again..
got this from Tumblr
SUMMARY OF WHAT’S GOING ON:
sme website adds jyj names back onto tvxq profile [x]
japanese website also readds [x]
korean search engines has db5k on their profile [x]
jaejoong takes selcas with Lee-U from F.Cruz who supposedly has always keep the faith in his profile [x][x]
http://ducktapedomination.tumblr.com/
http://www.hellokpop.com/2012/08/07/sm-entertainment-lists-jyj-as-members-of-tvxq-possibility-of-a-comeback/
Fans are confused after SM Entertainment listed JYJ as current members of TVXQ on it’s Japanese homepage today.
On TVXQ’s profile page, SM Entertainment listed a full profile of all original five members: Yunho, Changmin, Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. The profiles included their date of birth, height, weight and blood type. Although the pictures used were from their Mirotic days, SM Entertainment has not yet released a statement behind the update on their website.
JYJ – Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu – were embroiled in a lawsuit battle between their former company arguing that the terms of their 13-year contract were unfair and disadvantageous to the artists. In 2009, the Seoul Central District Court ruled in favour of JYJ and allowed them to continue their activities independently. TVXQ had since resumed activities as a two-member group with just Yunho and Changmin.
What do you think? Could this be a glitch by SM Entertainment’s side or are they hinting a possible reunion?
Source: SMTOWN
I think SM is doing some damage control here, remember DBSK name belongs to the 5 member but that company exploit it with just 2 members. Maybe there’s something in the law that’s biting them, Aug. 10 is just too close, I don’t know but I think it has something to do with the lawsuit and final renumeration , never about JYJ returning to SM.
i am suppose to be angry at this but.. LOL
seems to me like
~SM still in dreamland
~still have the nerve to exploit further the name DB5K
~STILL have NO CONFIDENCE in “his” 2VXQ
whichever just LOL
I want to be consistent here. I don’t like it when SME or Homin act as if JYJ never existed. JYJ are owed that much respect at least. They were members of TVXQ. It was their past.
That being said, I’m not claiming that SME’s reference to JYJ is innocent or that they didn’t want to confuse people. (Honestly thought, the people who are “confused”…..lol….Do you live under a rock or something?) I can’t see how else SME might “profit” from this other than trying to cheaply revive the “emotions” of the gullible fans in face of their impending loss at court.
It is sad because they only “remember” JYJ when they want to use them. I don’t mind if they put up JYJ’s profile but what does bother me is that they don’t do this to inform fans (new and old) that TVXQ had three other members who contributed to make TVXQ what it once was but rather to deceive. They have no class and what pisses me off even MORE are the ones who ALWAYS believe this. They read this crap and act like they haven’t seen this before. Avex does it too and then come the drone of people who go around asking, “Is this true? Is this true?”
I’m sorry if I’m offending someone but I’ve had enough of this.
A quick look-up here at JYJ3 will reveal all the previous times that SME, Avex and other third parties have alluded to JYJ and then people ask the same questions only to get, more or less, the same answers.
Why is it so easy to believe these shady assholes with a long history of lies but not JYJ themselves or CJeS!?
@kris
What do i think? my answer about this subject was at the” [ video] 120807 clip of JYJ shown on KBS news”. It was long, if you don’t mind reading it. haha..
Well, forget the search, copy and paste, here:
SM and their sycophants are applying pressure on JYJ and their reunited concept with tv2xq again as a force to break JYJ’s freedom.
No way is that going to happen as of right now. There is no benefit for JYJ in this negotiation. (Even the court and SM invited the third arbitrator to the table)
The law is very clear –No slave contracts, periods, end of talking, just obey the law.
SM knows is won’t work with only talk, so they are setting up a trap for JYJ to be pushed down and sit in for their arbitration to keep everything in secret and not open for public to read about their unethical business.
By using some ot5 and ot2, SM hopes to stir their fanbase up with the idea that a reunion is the only way for JYJ.
We all know ot3 have very clear views on the slave contract, but some ot5 and all ot2 are confused about their decision.
Sounds like Young Rae’s love for Takkie..haha…lol! therefore SM is counting on this love to confuse people ( in reality, there are some people who are very easy to be manipulated by others or by themselves ,that is why we have wars and history is full of those stories)
SM’s last card is throwing heavy pressure on JYJ’s decision by weighing their slave contract versus the good of the old time as five.
Hahaha… what is good? It all depends on individuals’ tastes and tastes are changing endlessly based on their growing. What was good yesterday may not be good again in the future.
Why? Because we are a modern people, do any of us missing being a cave man?
No, that is for sure, did we want to live for the old time sake? No way.
Did we dislike the old things? No because it was then, this is now.
We like JYJ now, did we dislike tvxq then? No, because it was beautiful then.
Did we dislike tv2xq now? Yes, because tvxq- THEN was much better than now.
(Why, because JYJ change for the better and HoMin change for
the worst.)
Get it over SM and tv2xq, it’s getting annoying to see reunion tactics.
My uncle said so: “If the man’s first love was so beautiful why didn’t they
leave their wife and their children to reunite with their first love?
Haha IDK about this
love but the sound of the story is a bit like reality drama.lol …
For money; SM is over doing it, ugly SM, ugly LSM.
@kris
LOLOL! I love that!
Source: SMTown
Geez. Enough said.
when i first heard of it, i almost got heart attack lol. jyj return to sm is another option, and i have nothing against it. because i’m sure even if jyj joined sm back, they’ll get fairer contract as they wish. but since they also display hangeng on suju profile, and there’s ZERO chance of him coming back to suju (well, 0.001%, and that’s only if heechul has came back from military :p), i guess jyj’s profile updated in sm sites is more like sm wants to do something else like that best album. and technically, since their old contract with sm is still considered valid, jyj is a part of sm too.
anyway, is the decision will be announced in august 10th as well? i thought they’d just held a meeting or something like that…
no1 really knws whats going on but from these little signs one can assume that JYJ may (and i stress MAY) have lost the lawsuit. in that case they will be legally required to return to SM and will be recognized as TVXQ members UNLESS they buy out their contracts with SM.
the mystery is, if JYJ had plans to buy out the contracts or re-file the lawsuit then why did SM and Naver enter them again into TVXQ’s profiles. SM would not have done this and gone through all this trouble of updating their sites and having Naver updates its site if they werent sure that JYJ will be coming back.
I honestly just think it’s a little stunt. They have yet to find out whether or not they have won or lost the case so why jump the gun? They just want to stir up the fans yet again.
I call this as trolling…
@Sailor JiJi
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. WHERE to start?? Well, stick around Sailor JiJI and read some of the posts here. (The ones below by retrokim and Butterfliesarefree would be good places to start.) Better yet — here: read these. Time to get up to speed, my friend.
http://jyj3.net/2012/06/20/info-120619-lawsuit-between-sm-entertainment-and-jyj/
http://jyj3.net/2012/01/24/news-120124-avex-to-act-as-the-savior-and-reunite-tvxq/
http://jyj3.net/2011/05/02/trans-110502-avexs-matsuura-again-tweets-nonsense-and-attempts-to-create-rumors/
http://jyj3.net/2011/04/19/opinion-is-avexs-matsuura-lying-and-misleading-the-public-about-jyj/
http://jyj3.net/2011/04/18/info-rebuttal-to-rumor-by-the-japanese-sm-fan-that-jyjs-saitama-concert-is-misappropriationembezzlement/
http://jyj3.net/2012/07/24/news-120724-japanese-tabloid-reports-tohoshinki-settlement-called-by-jyj-to-the-stage-of-5%e3%80%80/
@Sailor JiJi
And, here: check this out too. A very informative summary by butterfliesarefree:
I wish; I digress. 
I have no reason to disbelieve or doubt any of the following… 1 — As I mentioned before, put your seatbelts on, this ride is going to get rockier and rockier. That’s just the way the game is played. As mentioned above by others, SM trots this nonsense out everytime a court date comes a calling. It’s like a sickness, they can’t help themselves. 2 — SME is the sleaziest, slimiest, manipulator of group think on the planet. They are the masters of this. If this were an Olympic event, they would win gold medals ALL the time. SM knows how to stir the natives up. They programmed them from day one, and unfortunately there are those who are vulnerable to this manipulation. They KNOW there are people out there who will fall for this swill, and pass it along. I’m sure there is a reason it was definitely PLANTED on the Japanese site. And even if this is part of a marketing scheme for a TVXQ product, that makes this all the more suspect. TIMING as they say is everything. 3 — When SM asked for the arbitration…to prolong the proceedings further…to add more agnst to an already tiresome situation…to play the SK judicial system, that allows itself to be played like this…to continue to make life difficult for the members of JYJ…they knew exactly what they were doing. Nothing this company does is ever put up to chance. If a nostalgia product is in the works, what better time to milk the situation for all it’s worth. Afterall, they know they are going to lose anyway, let’s get something financial out of this for ourselves. SEE? They don’t operate unless it’s about money. Pride ain’t got nothin’ to do with it. 4 — The District Court has already said the contract between JYJ and SME was subjugating. Meaning ‘slave contract’. The information regarding the court decision can be found on this site and TheJYJFiles. If you care enough, look it up for yourselves. Links have been posted time after time. I won’t do so again. Why, after all this time, expense, and experience of being treated like public criminals would JYJ return to this cesspool? Please ask yourself this question. There is no precentage in them returning. They have nothing to gain. What can SM offer Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu that they can’t get for themselves? They certainly can’t offer them FREEDOM. They can’t offer them better treatment as human beings. The members of JYJ have found a way to have this all by themselves. 5 — JYJ are going to prevail and have their say in the sun. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE…anytime you see the names of JYJ members mentioned anywhere near SME, remind yourselves that the guys did not do any of this because they were bored. Go back and re-read the lyrics to…Song With No Name, Part I, Pierrot, Nine, MISSION. Listen to the songs and the passion in those voices. Could they do this under SME? PEACE
PEOPLE, LISTEN UP! PLEASE…. THERE IS NO SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL THAT JAEJOONG, YOOCHUN OR JUNSU ARE GOING BACK TO SME. No, I have not spoken to any of the three personally. We’re not that close.
“the mystery is, if JYJ had plans to buy out the contracts or re-file the lawsuit then why did SM and Naver enter them again into TVXQ’s profiles. SM would not have done this and gone through all this trouble of updating their sites and having Naver updates its site if they werent sure that JYJ will be coming back.”
…How is it that you have all these theories about what may happen to JYJ if they lose the lawsuit and yet still be so completely lost yourself? SME released a video a few months ago where they show some profiles for their most successful acts in order to recruit new talents. Jaejoong and Junsu were CLEARLY in the video and surprisingly enough they showed recent pics (from The Beginning Album) way after JYJ left SME.
I found the link:
http://jyj3.net/2012/04/12/info-scans-vid-sm-uses-the-image-of-jyjs-members-to-promote-their-academy/
And this other person talked about this: (found it an OK read)
http://ich1heavens.tumblr.com/post/21381594505/jyj-sm-uses-jyjs-faces-to-promote-academy
So care to make a new theory? Better yet, get a clue?
Personally I don’t think JYJ is going back to SM anytime soon. Some people are forgetting that there is no longer a court case between SM and JYJ. Now there an arbitration is supposed to happen on the 10th of August. How can JYJ go back to SM if they haven’t even met with SM to discuss reaching a settlement.
The timing is also fishy. Isn’t SM supposed to be releasing something similar to a greatest hits album?
ur right! that may just be it! technically and legally JYJ are still part of SM so its no surprise that SM would list their names on the sites. Hankyung who used to be in SUJU is still listed as a member of SUJU on various SM sites so this may just be another case similar to his.
we only have 3 more days and we’ll get the final verdict. guess we just need more patience
let’s just hope the 3 more days won’t be added again… :S
PLEASE! I beg of you! Read this:
http://jyj3.net/2012/06/20/info-120619-lawsuit-between-sm-entertainment-and-jyj/
Yes, i don’t think JYJ will go back to SM. I only believe if there is official statement from JYJ . So, don’t panic ^^
If JYJ back to the Mafia co, means there will be my first and last time to attend Yoo Chun’s fanmeeting? and it will be the only fanmeeting I attend in my life. Sigh!
“fairyprincessjoon:
a theory I heard from my friend on twitter who got it from her friend is that this is all probably for the “SM BEST OF ALBUM” that they’re releasing since even hangeng was added onto the suju sites.
this makes more sense to me then having them get back together so suddenly so I’ll wait to see if there are any statements released and if not then this is what I’ll assume is going on”
This sounds far more plausible. Another typically slimy, greedy, ethically bankrupt move from SM to continue riding JYJ’s coat tails & milk their names for everything they can get. It really burns me that JYJ probably won’t see a cent from this best of album, & that SM are still getting to exploit them, even from a distance.
Agree. Kinda getting sick of SM because of all the things they are doing.
Isn’t it ridiculous enough to see OT5s freak out over that profile updates thingy? Do we have to join the nonsense madness here as well? >__> Can people actually wait for the result of the lawsuit or any official announcement before reacting? Is it absolutely new and shocking that SME would use JYJ’s names and images whenever they can? Every time, and I mean every freaking time, when the date related to JYJ’s case is nearing, there’ll be some sort of insinuation of DB5K reunion. Haven’t you got bored? The arbitration hasn’t taken place yet, but thanks to this, some people are starting to speculate if JYJ has lost the lawsuit. Great timing, nice tactics, now tell me whom I should give credits to. Instead of guessing and spreading rumors, why don’t we just stay calm and deal with things when they come? I refuse to get worked up over some groundless speculation.
100% agree with u’r words. Let’s be patient to wait and see.. until there is official statement.
i think its SM tactic. i’m afraid when JYJ reject the arbitration, some cassie will blame JYJ.
Yup sister. I’m with you on this.
@jjzappel
“i think its SM tactic. i’m afraid when JYJ reject the arbitration, some cassie will blame JYJ.”
How can we worry about what “some cassies” will or won’t do? It’s a huge fandom, it’s growing larger every day. JYJ, one might be tempted to say, is going viral all around the world. “Some cassies” might inevitably have to fall away if, after all this time, they can actually not know what is going on here with JYJ and SM. The information is out there, over and over again, in many forms. Certainly reading, asking questions and posting here is a start. But isn’t being a cassie supposed to mean that you’ve been a fan of JYJ for a long time, in fact even before the split? If there are really cassies out there who will “blame” JYJ for rejecting the arbitration with a company who we all know is just stalling for time, then maybe it’s just as well they GO.
*hugs*
Thank you! *hugs*
With “fans” like those who needs enemies? If you are a “fan” and claim to love all 5 and support them “4everest” and have done so for years but don’t bother to inform yourself as to what is going on and then blame JYJ because you don’t have a lick of common sense….then I say good riddance to you. The fandom is better off without you delusional people!!!
THANK YOU!!!!
Feel a bit relief now, I was so worried the moment when I read the comments. As a new fan of JYJ, all my information relating to JYJ is actually rely on JYJ3 as I neither have twitter nor FB account so I was really panic when came across the news. I do not want JYJ to have anymore relation / connection with this mafia co after their leaving. I just can’t accept it, can’t tolerate either!
Waaah, the whole profile thing has really blown up hasn’t it? I agree with those who say to wait. I don’t trust SM and I don’t believe that they’ve just decided to ‘update’ their profile because ‘hey! I’m feeling nostalgic toward my three best former artists who I really should have treated better!’ We’ll see what happens in two days time, but regardless of all this drama, I’m glad Jaejoong has time to relax and have a drink of -cough- “water” with his friend
have you heard the big news? some people said chunjaesu name has been added back as TVXQ in smjapan site, daum sites and etc. what dis means? i know their court result will out soon…
i dont know. i love homin.. but rite now, i dont want to see chunjaesu back to the miserable places again…. and their music are different than before….. i now consider homin as singers while chunjaesu as artists………… T.T
I believe this is only a game they played to save their own throat…. a cushion for their upcoming fall…. a mirage.
SM wants to show that they still have hope for the boys to be together ….. but we all know what they have done and still do to our beloved JYJ up until now. They have means to do the slimy dirty ways as long as they are profitable to them.
So, fans; please be calm and patience. The official statements that you can truly belief are ONLY from JYJ and C-JeS.
ok when i read the news i was like WTF … so i checked it .. and daum,nate,naver all has 5 members back and
in naver its something more interesting Yunho along with jyj member are listed as former member
and in daum music its
1st Yunho, Changmin, Jaejoong, Junsu, Yoochun
2nd Yunho, Changmin
Current members Yunho, Changmin, Jaejoong, Junsu, Yoochun
what? they’re using JYJ’s names again?
crazy LSM………………………… -___________-
sm japan, tohoshinki official japan site and sm town in this all sites JYJ name are again Listed as TVXQ “CURRENT” members…
JYJ can’t be back to that company!!! noooooo I won’t approve! (who am I?
)
waiting for @BFF @lilybaiyu @majolie1992 and other JYJ experts’ comments here, I really want to read your opinions on this matter…
But why would you need someone else’s opinion? This makes no sense and this isn’t the first time there are rumors like this. I implore you to read up on this yourself and once you have a good understanding of things then discuss with BAF2, lilibaiyu and majolie1992.
I sometimes find that people ask questions and believe whatever they get as a response instead of reading up on things first and then re-confirming things with people who would ADD to your understanding of things rather than determining them on your behalf.
Here are some links:
http://jyj3.net/2012/06/20/info-120619-lawsuit-between-sm-entertainment-and-jyj/
http://jyj3.net/2012/01/24/news-120124-avex-to-act-as-the-savior-and-reunite-tvxq/
http://jyj3.net/2011/05/02/trans-110502-avexs-matsuura-again-tweets-nonsense-and-attempts-to-create-rumors/
http://jyj3.net/2011/04/19/opinion-is-avexs-matsuura-lying-and-misleading-the-public-about-jyj/
http://jyj3.net/2011/04/18/info-rebuttal-to-rumor-by-the-japanese-sm-fan-that-jyjs-saitama-concert-is-misappropriationembezzlement/
http://jyj3.net/2012/07/24/news-120724-japanese-tabloid-reports-tohoshinki-settlement-called-by-jyj-to-the-stage-of-5%e3%80%80/
And there are even more!!!! Once you read up on things you’ll see what type of scum SME and Avex are as well as their underlings. But let us make up some scenario: Let us say they did indeed (JYJ) decide to go back to SME. Wouldn’t that be breaking news? Wouldn’t JYJ and CJeS release a statement to the fans ASAP? SME would jump for joy and announce it to the world! “Woot! We escaped the lawsuit bullet!!!!” I really can’t see that happening, can any of you?
lol, thanks for the links though..
I didn’t want to discuss it with those 3 people, I had no other intentions other than reading their take on this matter..
I find myself enjo reading their opinions because they write such good and elaborate comments that sometimes gave me new point of view..
sorry if I bothered you
Crap! I read this incorrectly. I’m very sorry. I skim which is *really* bad and I could have sworn that you meant that you “needed” to read other comments. I apologize.
@Retrokim
“But why would you need someone else’s opinion? This makes no sense and this isn’t the first time there are rumors like this.”
Thanks, really thanks SO much for this post, for compiling this reading list and for making sense. I really appreciate the time you took to do this and as we have so many posters just showing up here and saying things like, ‘Is there a lawsuit? What’s that all about?” and “I just heard JYJ is going to have reconciliation talks with SM!” etc, etc, ET-freakin-CETERA…
Thanks for the big dose of very welcome reality.
@Petdino
“JYJ can’t be back to that company!!! noooooo I won’t approve!”
Well, you can’t do better opinion-wise than Retrokim’s post directly below this one and BAF’s analysis below that. Those two are The Word as far as I’m concerned.
@petdino
I really do apologize. LOL! I need to take a chill pill. I definitely understand why you would want to read what these 3 ladies have to say because they always talk sense. Thank you for your patience.
@retrokim
“I really do apologize. LOL! I need to take a chill pill. I definitely understand why you would want to read what these 3 ladies have to say because they always talk sense. ”
Actually there have been more than a few objections to the quality of my posts, but I can certainly vouch for the other two ladies. lol
WHAT IF all this fuss is indeed true??? (although I think this is close to impossible)… just WHAT IFs?
well… one things for sure…. I WILL SUPPORT wherever JYJ goes… everything happens for a reason… whatever decisions they make… it must be for a reason.
I will never ever turn my back on them….. (I hate seeing people getting angry and worried on this stuff) Just support them all the way ….their great voices and the good music they make.
I would be hard pressed. Speculation is just that; speculation but yes, unless they announce that they are the new owners of SME I would doubt their intelligence. If the whole point of leaving was because they couldn’t deal with the horrible abuse, shitty pay and the lopsided contract then why would they go back? For Homin? LOL!!!! If they could forge ahead without those two I doubt they would be the reason for coming back.
There are just so many reasons for why this entire thing is stupid.
@retrokim
“There are just so many reasons for why this entire thing is stupid.”
Truer words, my friend, were never spoken.
Or, to put it another way, see below, butterfliesarefree’s post. I’m gettin’ that she doesn’t think much of the latest rumors either.
PEOPLE, LISTEN UP! PLEASE….
THERE IS NO SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL THAT JAEJOONG, YOOCHUN OR JUNSU ARE GOING BACK TO SME.
No, I have not spoken to any of the three personally. We’re not that close.
I wish; I digress. 
I have no reason to disbelieve or doubt any of the following…
1 — As I mentioned before, put your seatbelts on, this ride is going to get rockier and rockier. That’s just the way the game is played. As mentioned above by others, SM trots this nonsense out everytime a court date comes a calling. It’s like a sickness, they can’t help themselves.
2 — SME is the sleaziest, slimiest, manipulator of group think on the planet. They are the masters of this. If this were an Olympic event, they would win gold medals ALL the time. SM knows how to stir the natives up. They programmed them from day one, and unfortunately there are those who are vulnerable to this manipulation. They KNOW there are people out there who will fall for this swill, and pass it along. I’m sure there is a reason it was definitely PLANTED on the Japanese site. And even if this is part of a marketing scheme for a TVXQ product, that makes this all the more suspect. TIMING as they say is everything.
3 — When SM asked for the arbitration…to prolong the proceedings further…to add more agnst to an already tiresome situation…to play the SK judicial system, that allows itself to be played like this…to continue to make life difficult for the members of JYJ…they knew exactly what they were doing. Nothing this company does is ever put up to chance. If a nostalgia product is in the works, what better time to milk the situation for all it’s worth. Afterall, they know they are going to lose anyway, let’s get something financial out of this for ourselves. SEE? They don’t operate unless it’s about money. Pride ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.
4 — The District Court has already said the contract between JYJ and SME was subjugating. Meaning ‘slave contract’. The information regarding the court decision can be found on this site and TheJYJFiles. If you care enough, look it up for yourselves. Links have been posted time after time. I won’t do so again. Why, after all this time, expense, and experience of being treated like public criminals would JYJ return to this cesspool? Please ask yourself this question. There is no precentage in them returning. They have nothing to gain. What can SM offer Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu that they can’t get for themselves? They certainly can’t offer them FREEDOM. They can’t offer them better treatment as human beings. The members of JYJ have found a way to have this all by themselves.
5 — JYJ are going to prevail and have their say in the sun.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE…anytime you see the names of JYJ members mentioned anywhere near SME, remind yourselves that the guys did not do any of this because they were bored. Go back and re-read the lyrics to…Song With No Name, Part I, Pierrot, Nine, MISSION. Listen to the songs and the passion in those voices. Could they do this under SME?
PEACE
Hi @BAF
you said at all, I just want to see what SM will do next after this, I bet they hire whole group of “pro” who plan how to block JYJ and confuse all the fandom at long at they can and get much money they can have from them . any way just want our boy got little air to breath with all the pressure will come up with them from both “fans” and SM.TT
@anva1
It makes me wonder if ~this~ kind of thing wasn’t the reason why Yuchun finally just said ‘OK, ENOUGH with the Twitter.”
Every little stupid, monumentally unlikely rumor and the OT5s go nuts and start tweeting. It’s crazy.
Hi yourself @anva1, my dearest.
SME has a serious mental problem. They can’t let it go! It’s personal at this point. When you try and cling onto to something that is no longer yours, this is a problem. It’s too bad there is no therapy for corporations who need counseling, cause they need it BIG TIME!
From Soompi…this is just the title, no link. Check the date.
“SM Entertainment to Release “SM Best Album 3″ on August 10″
Need I say more. It it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck…..
@BAF
““SM Entertainment to Release “SM Best Album 3″ on August 10″”
Well well. What a shocker. Anyway, nothing to be done about it. SM owns that music as of now. Who knows what the future will hold, but especially if they release songs that were written by others – oh well. They have that right.
Why anybody would want to support SM by buying old, re-packaged DBSK5 songs is the question… don’t we all have all of those songs by now?
My VE Sister
“Why anybody would want to support SM by buying old, re-packaged DBSK5 songs is the question”
This begs the answer…Shiny new package under the Christmast tree for the kiddies. Same present as last year’s, just newer version.
If I tell you I had every known version of Crayola crayons under the Christmas tree as I was growing up, from the smallest to, at that time, the biggest, and loved each and every box! Would you be surprised?
Who can resist? Same principle.
ok updates:
2VXQ’s fans on tumblr have just revealed that
1) JYJ were never removed from Tohoshinki’s official website or SM japan since the left. they have always been on those sites so this is nothing new.
2) TVXQ’s official korean website only lists Yunho and Changmin as members of TVXQ (no mention of JYJ at all)
3) its true that SM has recently updated their SMtown page with JYJ as part of TVXQ, BUT apparently they have also done the same with Hankyoung and Kibum from SUJU. Stephanni who is no longer doing CSJH activities is also listed as member of CSJH. so i guess they are just including old and new SMtown members. it could also be becz SM is planning to include old TVXQ songs in its next Best Selection album which is why they added JYJ under TVXQ’s members so that pple who buy the songs dont get confused as to who is singing those songs.
4) Naver updated its TVXQ profile last night with JYJ’s name, but earlier today it added (former) next to their names plus Yunho’s name. they were clearly told that their addition of JYJ is causing confusion so they added the word former next to the names but also ended up making the mistake of adding it to yunho’s name as well. Yunho is still very much part of TVXQ and SM, and it was only few days ago that he did a photoshoot with SM town and Lee Soo Man sitting close to him.
so all in all im guessing this is getting blown out of proportions just becz of the lawsuit approaching its final verdict and fans have suddenly felt the need and SM updating SMtown site with JYJ’s names
This sounds much more reasonable than any of the other theories I’ve been hearing. Thanks!
Work is really making keeping up with this fandom very difficult
Ok everyone, lets take a breath. Let’s remember why we are fans of JYJ. Their talent, their honesty, their drive, and most importantly their willingness to fight for what they believe in and stand up against daunting odds. That’s what I think it means to Always Keep The Faith. I’d like to think that we as fans identify with this sentiment and that’s part of the reason why this fandom is so strong, because we share the moralities and principles exemplified by JYJ. So for me, I have no doubts. I believe the only way we would see JYJ going back to SME is if we somehow were transported to an alternate universe. So these silly grabs at publicity at JYJ’s expense only makes my belief in JYJ stronger and my disgust at SME grow exponentially.
So let’s calm down all these inflammatory rumors and just recognize it for what it is. SME needs no rhyme or reason, they will do anything and everything that they foresee will put them at an advantage, simple as that. JYJ have done nothing to make us doubt them, why would we start now?
Ok guys what do you all think about the new rule in SK , that all videos should be subjected to censorship by a comitee before its uploaded on any site like youtube or else subject to 2 yrs probabation ?! YG pres. has already condemned it . I think this is a serious hinderance in JYJ activities cos internet is what has kept them connected with their fans and now thats under watch …..Toss your thoughts
@bookthiefj
I am not sure if it will hinder JYJ internet activities but it will definitely hinder the creative process. Honestly, South Korea has more things to worry about like stalkers and bullying within the entertainment business. I am curious as to if it will apply to music videos created out of the country. If so, this will definitely not fly for American music video directors.
yea that shouldnt affect JYJ in anyway except that they may not be able to do vids like Junsu’s tarantallegra since it would be deemed too sexually provocative. YG’s pres is condemning it cuz a lot of his artists including GD are making MV that promote heavy drinking and usage of drugs (GD’s High High). songs like Bubble Pop will also be subjected to censorship.
it shouldnt really matter to JYJ as long as their vids are not too sexual
To be honest, I don’t find Junsu’s Tarantallegra MV sexual provocative at all. If you want something truly sexual provocative, go watch an American hip hop/R’n'B MV. Girls wearing skimpy clothes? Most (not all) K-pop girl groups wear very short skirts/shorts/dresses in their MVs. You don’t see any groping, grinding, suggestive staring, men looking at women with lustful eyes, etc in Junsu’s MV. There’s a scene in which a female dancer kind of flirted with the male dancers, but the men kept their straight faces with unwavering eyes. Even when the female dancers surrounded Junsu, the scene carried an underlining meaning and wasn’t just a random erotic situation. I think Tarantallegra is a very well-made MV. It’s not sexual, gay, or weird at all.
@Angie
“To be honest, I don’t find Junsu’s Tarantallegra MV sexual provocative at all. If you want something truly sexual provocative, go watch an American hip hop/R’n’B MV. ”
Agreed. American Rap videos are 100 times worse than the worst SK has ever made. So is SK going to ban them all from being shown now too? If so, there are going to be a whole lot of Unhappy Campers in SK.
you don’t think it is, i don’t think so either, but we don’t know about this comittee. if they have to censor songs like rainsm or mirotic for stupid reasons like ‘magic stick’ or ‘under my skin’, censor mvs like abracadabra, then tarantallegra’s being censored is nothing surprising to me. they could go on with ridiculous reasons like too much foreigner thighs, too much touching/groping that’s too sexual for korean standard, and nothing we can do, can we? yup it’s not sexual and it has more insightful message, the same thing i can argue about brown eyed girls’ mv, the same thing i can also argue about other songs. but is that making any difference? when tarantallegra mv first revealed, most of people thought of it as unconventional, even some fans here also say things like ‘there’s a good thing that they’re being banned now’, and something uncoventional being censored or banned for korea standard is nothing surprising.
it sucks that this rule will limit their creativities, but i got sailorjiji’s point, IF this rule will be carried out for real, then jyj have no choice either than following it, making their mv and song as harmless as possible. that’s IF. i’m sure most companies (maybe not sm or ccm, since they’re famous for making an implicite sexual contents with lolita facade) will against it.
Why am I not surprised. Since SK is not a true democracy, things like this don’t seem that out of place. For a country that allows the level of corruption that exists, to go on the way it does, this just puts another nail in the coffin.
I find it slightly amusing that they have young actresses in their dramas wearing dresses, skirts and shorts coming up to their butts, and now they want censor what goes up in videos on YT. There’s a contradiction here someone. This ought to be fun!
@BAF
I can’t wait to see every single one of the girl groups’ videos censored because they are prancing around suggestively like strippers at a nightclub in every last video coming out of SK! This should be interesting. If the girls aren’t censored, only the guys, then that says something really ugly about how it’s perfectly OK to exploit women in SK. Yet another ~NOT~ Chamber of Commerce moment.
What are they saying? anyone got a subbed ver? chinese fans, help?
2012 JYJ Membership Week Fan Meeting Ment4 [KO_CN] (Final)
if it’s for minor’s protection, then it’s stupid to think that the minors only want to see fellow korean. they could access other country’s ‘explicite’ stuffs if they want. i get it if they censor things on tv, or only air certain mvs/songs on certain time slot, but internet? nah. if they want to do minor protection, it’s not the artists should follow the minor’s standard, it’s the minors and parents should be educated.
but again, i don’t think it’s about minor protection. it’s more like they want to make sure that people don’t release something that out of their own standard, making it possible for certain parties to dominate music both in internet and public broadcast…
creativity doesn’t have to be based on sexual and provocative imagery alone
there are million ways of expressing art and imagination without attempting to be provocative. call me old fashioned but i did think Junsu’s MV was sexual. yes i know American MVs are worse but that doesn’t mean that its ok for korean’s to do the same.
what i like about Kpop is that the music seems pure, fun, and enjoyable. its not all about sex and touching and groping each other. there is a sweet and classic innocence in kpop that makes it unique and allow it to stand out from other types of music.
look at BigBang’s Fantastic Baby. most consider it just a flashy vid with big beat but if u look closely u will see that it carries a much bigger message than anyone can imagine. its a vid that talks about breaking out of different forms of confinements including physical, social, spiritual, and sexual barriers. creativity was expressed effortlessly in that MV while maintaining the classic uniqueness of kpop.
this is what i hope JYJ can achieve with their future music projects.
Kpop has hardly ever been “pure”. Both male and female groups sing songs that have sexual connotations and I find the female groups are forced to keep this hypocritical “sweet, clean girl” conduct while singing things that are hardly innocent. It caters to a very mysoginistic idea about female sexuality. Men can be agressive but females HAVE to be demure and “innocent” or else they are sluts which is completely insulting not to mention contradictory. Sexuality is passion. You don’t make babies by giving your husband/boyfriend a firm handshake now do you? Women also feel but you wouldn’t guess it in this obnoxious k-pop/k-drama stew where the females always do that “doe-eyed-I-look-away-and-make-a-cringing-face-when-a-guy-kisses-me-look”
I think that very sexist and hidden message is a million times more offensive that Junsu’s video or 2NE1′s, Hyuna’s or MBLAQ’s “provocative” videos anyday. SNSD’s “Genie” and “Bad Girl” were a million times worse because the videos have the girls doing nice choreo but the lyrics “tell me what you wanna do” aren’t so pure.
BigBang’s “Fantastic Baby” mv doesn’t match the lyrics. Some parts make mentions of “breaking free” but for the most part it is a party song. Seungri’s segment in the mv was definitely not innocent either and if you read the lyrics one line goes; “There are no constraints for me tonight Mama Just Let Me Be Your Lover” The mv alone is not enough nor should it be to judge how creative a group is.
@Summer’s Sun
“there are million ways of expressing art and imagination without attempting to be provocative. call me old fashioned but i did think Junsu’s MV was sexual. yes i know American MVs are worse but that doesn’t mean that its ok for korean’s to do the same”
I guess the problem here is that sex sells, it’s the number one way to sell anything and everybody with a career selling things to people knows it at this point. Strictly from a marketing standpoint Junsu’s gotta use what he’s got (and he’s got a LOT of it) he’d be crazy not to. Any professional would tell him that, when deciding what kind of video to make. I thought his video was sensual and quite provocative, very watchable and beautiful to look at, I did not think it was sleazy and overt and frankly I don’t like and won’t watch 99% of the over-the-top Rap videos that just pander to the lowest of the lowlifes who like to be seen flaunting their material excess and of course the old stand-by, sexually exploiting women.
I think it’s true that one person’s ‘sweet and classic innocence” is another person’s “for kids only–No Thanks” and for me it’s another genre that I don’t enjoy watching, especially if by it you mean the near endless parade of girl groups strutting their stuff in short-shorts and pouting for the camera. I’m offended by the level of exploitive sexual innuendo in THOSE videos, so there you go.
Still, it’s nice to be able to agree to disagree here and still be friendly.
Cheers!
sometimes i argue about the pureness and innocence of kpop. high pitched girls calling out for oppa. wearing paws and cat ears and ask guys to follow her. asking guys to tell her their wish. asking guys to promise her with cute little finger gesture. so all of those stuffs aren’t sexual, they’re pure and innocent? wow. they’re all catering to lolicon ahjusshi fans. from what i see, korean (and japanese too i think) men have tendency towards this aegyo/kawaii thing and they found explicit stuffs to be intimidating (i read about this somewhere in the grand narrator blog). so sexy dancers are sexual and provocative while these bunch of young ladies acting like preteen, catering for preverted ahjusshi fans, are okay? while i agree about you can always be creative without being provocative, there’s a clear double standard i see in kpop. if they want to remove all “provocative” things, might as well to remove those stuffs. so far what i see is that they’re being questionable in selecting which one will be “banned”.
this is a reply to Summer’s Sun above.
To me it is disgusting because it tries to mask something that shouldn’t be masked. I have no problem with a song about wanting someone to be yours but when you wear a dress that is more for a 12 year old girl aka Kara’s “Honey” then I feel uncomfortable. They try to bring sexuality to a childish realm which is so disturbing. I’m 22 now so I really don’t need mama to hold my hand and I can see through this masquerade just fine. I agree with Summer’s Sun that JYJ can do better but I’m not going to include other groups because most have never released a good, thought-provoking mv. Nope, not Big Bang either. And the mv’s are just part of the story.
@retrokim
Wow. No kidding? You’re 22?? I was a total idiot at 22! Decades have gone by since then I I think I’m STILL not as smart as you!
lol
this article and comments are a quiet good read about this situation: http://seoulbeats.com/2012/08/weighing-the-pros-and-cons-of-pre-screening-mvs/