SM Entertainment and JYJ have failed to reach an agreement on the issues surrounding the members’ TVXQ contract.
The trial between SM Entertainment and the members of JYJ took place on August 10 at 4PM KST in Seoul Central District Court. SM Entertainment’s representative Kim Young Min, along with lawyers from both sides, were present to debate the issue. The members of JYJ were not present for this trial.
In the 1-hour-30-minute trial, each side expressed their sentiments to the court, and afterwards, both sides expressed their opinions to each other. This day, Representative Kim left the meeting to have a conversation with a lawyer in the waiting room. He met with reporters during the mediation and stated, “The court is still in trial so nothing can be said.”
SM Entertainment and JYJ have been in trial since last May, going through a total of six hearings to reconcile their differences thus far. However, at the end of last year, both sides failed to reach an agreement and hearings have resumed. In May, both sides expressed their points during the hearing and waited for an official verdict, but the court advised a mutual adjustment so another trial date was issued.
However, the two sides have failed to meet a mutual agreement once again. JYJ’s lawyer told Star News, “The difference in opinion between the two sides is too large. An agreement could not be reached so it was decided that another trial will take place around September 13th.”
The lawyer continued, “SM Entertainment’s side is to ‘forget about the past’, and our side is to settle all the accounts and issues in court. Both sides diverge in opinion, but the court is encouraging a voluntary agreement or a mediation until a decision has been made.”
After three years of both sides battling for an agreement, the chances of the court making the final decision have risen. When the SM Entertainment representatives exited the court, they answered the reporters’ questions saying, “There is nothing for us to say yet.”
In 2009, JYJ stated, “[Please terminate the effects of our unreasonable exclusive contracts],” and filed a case. As the court accepted this, SM Entertainment filed a claim for compensation for damages in April of 2010. In February, the Seoul Central District Court dismissed both of SM Entertainment’s injunctions against JYJ.
After this recent hearing, it’s been confirmed that the exclusive contracts signed by both sides have been nullified, and that the decision to secure the individual entertainment activities of the JYJ members has been upheld.
Source & Image: Star News via Nate
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SM Entertainment’s side is to ‘forget about the past’
As if everything will disappear..if they are to forget about the past
SM TOTALLY FUNNY!! They just speak nonsense!
OH GOD, I HATE SM!!!
Funny they claim the desire “to forget about the past” when they are the ones obsessed to settle old scores about the past >_________>;;;…
Not to mention that SM are also the ones mining the TVXQ past to sell more albums & continue to exploit JYJ. >_____> Makes me sick…
just make decision already
Jaejoong’s tweet yesterday was already a sign that today’s arbitration is going to fail.
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And they flew off to LA.
This arbitration to them is “We don’t care and we still stand firmlyby to our decisions!”
Exactly.
This is really a symbolic picture, they are not turning their backs, they are going forward.
Leaving for USA on the eve of the arbitration day is already a statement to those so called fans who constantly pressuring them to come back and gloriously sing as 5 again and to SM, that JYJ stands firm on their fight . Whoever thought or choreographed this picture is a genius.
“SM Entertainment’s side is to ‘forget about the past”
are you kidding me SM?
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From my Twitter, “I do not mind waiting with JYJ and I am happy that our men are firmed with their decisions. So SM….do you want to kneel down…and beg?”
this is some bull crap!! no agreement again??? and sm, really? forget about how you mistreated them and tried to make their lives miserable after they left due to an unfair contract??? this is ridiculous.
“SM Entertainment’s side is to ‘forget about the past’, and our side is to settle all the accounts and issues in court.”
Yeah, let’s forget about all the debts I owe you; let’s not bother to settle all the accounts; just forget about the past!
SM, bastard!
And they just try to drag, drag, drag it on… and our boys will keep on being victimized.
SME is still trying to “keep” JYJ as their own property…………. very cunning and selfish corporation…………..
*sigh* when will this ever end -_- the Courts aren’t helping -_-
“both sides expressed their points during the hearing and waited for an official verdict, but the court advised a mutual adjustment so another trial date was issued.”
JUST GIVE THEM THE FINAL VERDICT ALREADY JYJ AND SME ARE NEVER GOING TO AGREE!!! -_-
@mychun05
That’s also my sentiments exactly…. I’m curious as to why, with all my respect to the honorable judges, the court seems to be a bit… “coward”??? As if the court was trying to clear their hands off from giving any decision, leaving both sides to settle by themselves…
The court apparently has NO guts to give a verdict!
It is under tremendous influence coming from SM?
I don’t like whoever is judging either. The court has allowed the case to be dragged on for years when it could have been settled in a year, like such similar cases. But no, the court allows SME to bully JYJ by letting the case drag on and on and on. JYJ suffers because the case won’t move on. Suffers both publicly (Broadcast rights) and financially as the case keeps dragging, but SME only suffers financially (and not even by much).
@mychun05
“JUST GIVE THEM THE FINAL VERDICT ALREADY JYJ AND SME ARE NEVER GOING TO AGREE!!! -_-”
My sentiments pretty much exactly.
So, am I reading this correctly: the court will not decide, insists that they mutually agree and so we start all over again? What if they can never agree? What then?
yeah, true. what will happen then if both sides never reach agreement? will it be dragged until they both reach a final agreement (which pretty much means never)? isn’t it the task of a court to give a final verdict if both sides do not reach an agreement? why drag this so long?
I read an AKP article (I know I shouldn’t, but too late, I already did). there’s this article saying a possibility of SM giving hints in their Japanese website (as they now put JYJ names under TVXQ member profiles) about the future of JYJ going back to SM. like, seriously? I can only laugh. it’s so exhausting to read all this kind of stuffs. no wonder Junsu tweeted the way he did just now.
“in tandem”, “stalemate” or the courts are “in pocket” of SM too and don’t want to help move along a final settlement. Helping to postpone the final “bill” that SM will have to fork up sooner or later. I’m not saying the whole court is, but who knows if 1 of the judges isn’t on the up and up? >.>
@plumblossom
Well, SM better get on the stick if they hope for any further accommodation from the Sejong lawyers because there’s going to be a verdict read 9/10. Check it out:
http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/
“After this recent hearing, it’s been confirmed that the exclusive contracts signed by both sides have been nullified”
Does this mean they are out of the contracts with SM? Then it goes only about the amount of money to paying for now right?
I hope this all ends as soon as possible.
But what makes me mad is this: “SM Entertainment’s side is to ‘forget about the past’
Dear SM, we will never forget what you have done to JYJ and us fans. How can you say such ridiculous thing ò.ó
I am thinking exactly about the same thing. So, everything about the contracts has already been settled (I mean nullified)?
Just wait and see, when will SM continue to drag this case? It’s such a shame, really.
@Serinade
“Does this mean they are out of the contracts with SM? Then it goes only about the amount of money to paying for now right?”
Correct.
SM is delirious thinking that JYJ is just going to let by gone be by gone just like that when all they have done to the boys is make their efforts seem like nothing to them. Still they keep on finding their low tactics way on putting barriers so JYJ cannot progress with their careers because it hurts them to see that the boys are not in need of their so called influence big company. Even if it takes JYJ their entire life they will not let their oppressor get away that easily because all they want is fairness something SM knows nothing about that’s why is difficult for them to comprehend it. JYJ get what you deserve……FIGHTING!
oh SM, how can i forget. when every time you remind me that JYJ are being cock blocked and treated like as criminals im Korea and Japan?
You want to leave all the past behind? yet you’re still living in the past.
Settle all the debts and dues you owned to JYJ!
Dear JYJ^^
Congratulation for believing in the moral principles and the SK law and order
Very informative article, but it repeats what most of us already knew – that this mediation was just another stalling technique by SM in a decision they cannot win. So they go back to trial, again. How many times is this they have done the same thing. The courts just let them get away with whatever ridiculous behavior they want, failing to protect our JYJ once again.
————-> “After this recent hearing, it’s been confirmed that the exclusive contracts signed by both sides have been nullified, and that the decision to secure the individual entertainment activities of the JYJ members has been upheld.”
did the contract nullified ???????
@jjer
“did the contract nullified ???????”
Yes, we knew that quite some time ago, that’s not new information. What is at stake now is how much SM will have to pay. And they have the sheer gall to say “Forget the past and come back??” Really, SM? That’s the best your side could come up with after 3 years and counting? And the court is seen to be going along with you on that ??? With THAT as your position, they want JYJ to try again to convince you to pay millions of dollars??
**shaking head, sighing**
SM is so afraid to lose in court verdict and kept finding reasons/ excuses to prolong this case. Shame on you! Such a low, unrespectable people running this company and I hope the other groups or members will come out to tell the truth as well. In the end they will still lose as GOD knows who is the victim and SM will get punishment soon. No escaping if they don’t make it right for JYJ.
I pray one day soon, JYJ will be free to stand on stage again in their own country and in Japan. Be free of the pain and hardship they have endured for so long. I thank God for giving them strength and Faith to pull through all these days since their lawsuit started in 2009. Thus, one day 5 of them will be together again as good friends whether in the same group or different group. Stay strong and firm. Always Keep The Faith. God Blessed Our guys and be protected by Him. Amen.
why the court insist on mutual agreement???????????????????? just give them the verdict. oh my god, the court so scared to sm or what??? @.@ delaying this will make sm happy. gosh, be strong boys! we are here to support u
@d
We have a saying here in the U.S. – “Justice delayed is Justice denied.” I think that’s what we are seeing here. JYJ are being denied their honest, fair, impartial rights to a verdict as citizens of SK.
Actually, I am hoping that one of the “meetings” they are having in L.A. is to retain a high powered U.S entertainment law firm at this point to breathe some new life and fresh ideas into their strategy at this point.
I also wish to know the answer to this question: realistically, how long can SM continue to stall and not budge in their RIDICULOUS position of “Just Come Back” before the court steps in and makes a decision?
sigh I just want this to end ….so that JYJ can be free
They weren’t able to reach an agreement; that doesn’t surprise me. How? It’s impossible. SM just want to forget about their responsibilities and debts; JYJ wants justice. SM is desperate trying to show that JYJ belongs to them; JYJ is abroad working in their music with love, dedication and excellency as usual and leaving everybody else to be as they want to be. I encourage the korean court to apply the law in the proper way in this particular trial. Justice is a MUST; an example MUST be settled. No one can abuse, slave and exploit the employees under a work contract only on the excuse that they’re their workers and they trained them to become excellent in their field; the company doesn’t own its trainees; each one of them has a life and is worthy of respect and consideration as a human being and deserves to be compensated fairly for his/her hard work, not to be squeezed almost to death. To pretend to be the best while they’re abusing their own “children” is scandalous and outrageous. Please SME directives; you pretend to be respectful men and women, then act like that not like vulgar mobsters and abusers who only want to take advantage on the ones under your so called “protection”. September 13 is the date. I’ll be praying for the judge to settle this issue ONCE AND FOR ALL WITH JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS. JYJ, the musical glory of SKorea in the west, deserves that; the Korean government and laws owe justice to these three talented men who had the courage to defy the stablished unfair rules to show the entire world their own greatness and the greatness of SKorean music.
I forgot to add that JYJ is expanding their horizons without a monetary interest, only on the desire to be the korean pioneers in foreign lands. If this isn’t admirable enough well; I’m going to ask the oak for pears LOL
hear hear. september 13. may justice show herself.
@shuheilove
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“decision to secure the individual entertainment activities of the JYJ members has been upheld.”
Does that mean that JYJ has an upper hand in this case now? Let justice be served! SM should have a taste of the hardship they put JYJ through all these time.
@Icty
“Does that mean that JYJ has an upper hand in this case now?”
Well, yes and no. They now have no enforceable contract with SM, true, but as long as the trial is without a verdict, all of the media stations, performance venues, etc. who have used this trial as the excuse to ban JYJ will be able to continue to use that excuse.
True that. It’s so frustrating seeing them struggle with it for the past 3 years. They deserve better those crappy treatment given those media stations. Really hope the final verdict will in their favour and that they can finally escape from the clutch of SM for once and for all. Btw, I enjoy reading your comments from those previous posts, which were sensible and well written.
@Icty
Thanks!
Fighting…….
woaaa so easy to say ” forget about the past ”
so pathetic~~ pay backkk their money dude!!
It’s not even a surprise that the arbitration failed. As if JYJ would settle for anything less when they obviously have an upper hand in this case. SME wants to “forget about the past”? Wow, thanks for the good laugh early in the morning. These people have no shame. They have done JYJ wrong for years, and now they want to brush their hands off and avoid paying for damages and compensation? “After this recent hearing, it’s been confirmed that the exclusive contracts signed by both sides have been nullified, and that the decision to secure the individual entertainment activities of the JYJ members has been upheld.” Some fans and haters should really take notes of this and stop blabbering that “technically JYJ are still under SME” nonsense. The case has been dragged on for 3 years by SME, all mediation attempts have failed, so the court should just announce the damn final verdict and get it over with already. Justice must prevail! I keep my faith that JYJ will come out winning in the end.
@Angie
“It’s not even a surprise that the arbitration failed.”
I felt this way too. “One day’s worth” was about all I would have wagered on that lasting. And then to find out SM’s side of it is “Forget The past!!??” OMG, they must be on drugs.
@Angie @Lili
Yes, “Let’s forget about the past”, let bygones be bygones. There’s a word for this…chutzpah! The fact that they have no shame is because they have no conscience. The two go hand in hand, can’t have one without the other.
It’s amazing how a country that wants to stand on the world stage, just doesn’t get it. How you conduct yourself regarding human rights is HUGE. The rest of the world will call you on it. Flying under the banner of democracy is more than just words, it’s action as well.
What SME has failed to comprehend…they have a TIGER BY THE TAIL!! Long live JYJ!
Where is that “Eye of the Tiger” theme song when I need it.
Oh, here it is!!
@BAF
Well, at least I got one of these calls right. lol I knew this whole “arbitration” gambit was a non-starter. I KNEW that first chance they got, Sejong would say “Sorry, no dice.” And I agree with you about the need for the court to “grow a pair” and shiver the mom and pop pension funds, which are heavily invested in SM stock, and do the right thing. Settle this case, or be seen to be another corrupt and co-opted creature of SM, Seoul Court!!
the reason why sm wants to have jyj back is because next year will be DBSK’s 10th anniversary (on december 26th i think). so i think that they want to use them to have a lot of money…. I can’t even imagine jyj’s reaction when homin are going to do their comeback….. man the whole thing makes me depressed (i’ve been a fan of them since 2005)
Can’t JYJ files another case to court :
SM STALLING AND PROLONGED 3 YRS TRIAL WITH JYJ HAS INDUCED A SERIOUS MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PRESSURES TO JYJ AND THUS JYJ NEEDS COMPENSATION OF EVERY SINGLE DAY SINCE THE TRIAL STARTED.
LSM, if you keep on stalling we will add another on you!.
I just hate hate hate SM as they keep on stalling and toying around with the court and law.
They just might.
Oh, God, how long does it last this misery?! It’s already annoying . Fighting, JYJ!
Civil cout
just keep running round & round but sad thing is same pattern lawsuit others can end with one year, our JYJ case is taking so long because of SM
SO HATE SME!!!
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aigoo.. SM. Is there any tricks under your sleeve? emm.. you can’t give up easily isn’t it? Please view back on your history of losing in court. My advice: You should learn from history/mistake so then you will not repeat it in the future.
I actually support all JYJ/2DBSK members from the moment (2005) I knew them till now. Both JYJ & 2DBSK had face hardship since they debut then till the lawsuit begin and even till now. Well I had PREDICT that DBSK will be independent from SM because of the previous senior group example Shinhwa because I think they can do well on their own.
As a fan, I respect JYJ & 2DBSK decisions. JYJ want to terminate the unreasonable exclusive contracts meanwhile 2DBSK continue their career with SM. It was not easy to start back as 3 when fans said they are betrayers. It’s the same with the other 2 that made a comeback in early 2011 after hiatus for some time. Each team had to gain back trust from their fans and work harder to prove that they can stand on their own even after the spilt. After the hardwork there are alot of achievement from both team (to list here will take alot copy and past from MY wiki. ^^)
Now each team are happy the way they are right now. JYJ can do want they want and challenge themselves in acting, directing, musical and others. 2DBSK also do what they want as they continue their path. If they happy then I will feel happy too. ^__^
I admit that sometimes I support less or more of both team in certain situations. hehe.. I’m just a normal fans with big heart and sometimes a rational mind. (can’t control the hormone that hate and love ^_^)
I had keep remind myself that a reunion of 5 members has a little percentage because after so many things happen between them and with SM in the middle. I just hope they can still be friends. It would not hurt to make friends right? world will be a better place if we make less enemy. peace!
Fans that support JYJ please continue to cheer on them.
Fans that support 2DBSK please continue to cheer on them too.
Fans that support both team, please keep cheering on them too.
Fans that hoping for a reunion of them, please keep your hope too.
It’s not hard to cheer and wish for JYJ & 2DBSK happiness. All we have to do are support them as long as what they worked will give benefit and satisfaction to themselves.
For fans that bash the other side.. It’s not nice to talk bad or wish others downfall right? Please keep the energy to support your own biased/ team. ^^
However, for SM that keep blocking JYJ… what goes around comes around. (I’m not wish bad thing but we can’t deny the karma. hehe.. it’s true. we do bad thing then we will get punish for it. so we must do good thing then. ^^)
Sorry for my ranting.. just suddenly want to point out my opinion.
Yes we respect JYJ and 2DBSK’s decisions.However no freinds would go in public to critisize their friends for their decisions especially when the decisions were made together at the beginning.So we can’t be freinds with both groups,just like we can’t be freinds with JYJ and SM forever.
@kecik
Sorry, my friend, but anyone who has really followed this situation from the beginning would be far less able to “let bygones be bygones” as you have stated. Homin are to all appearances satisfied employees of SM, the company who is perpetrating this massive evil upon JYJ for the last 3 years and counting. They are using the name TVXQ shamelessly that the members of JYJ were largely were responsible for making great. They are even claiming the work of the five members as their own. Where exactly do you see a basis for friendship right now?
I feel so sad & angry about SM re-produce the songs which were sang by 5 members. The successful of DBSK is done by 5 members in the past. SM is really want fans “to forget the past” by doing this.
@lilibaiyu
I am so agree with u..
> I admit that sometimes I support less or more of both team in certain situations. hehe.. I’m just a normal fans with big heart and sometimes a rational mind. (can’t control the hormone that hate and love ^_^) <
Some certain situations just like you mention is one of the hate feeling I felt. I saw one of 2DBSK interview and after that I want to destroy something (pity my pillow that had to take the blow. huhu) After that I had keep in mind that never watch interview when they mention the trio.
The same goes with JYJ. JYJ members are excellent in acting, musical, directing and others. But 2DBSK just get recognize in singing terms. (I know their drama debut is not good enough. TT)
Well, my hate and love to both team it just MY feeling to them. It's because I CARE about them.
In the end, it's up to each members to tried their best in every work because they had choose it. Then, the audiences like us well decide are they good or not and keep support them.
It just my innocent hope that they still be friends. huh.. I don't know how will they get together after all the lawsuit and drama. Terms forgive and forget sometimes work and need time to settle it down. We can't be angry or hold grudge for a long time. (it's not good for your health and mind.)
Forgive me for my ranting and forget all the things that I said if it annoyed you.
Fasting month is good coz I will not blow up just because of this ranting. hehe..
Kecik
“JYJ members are excellent in acting, musical, directing and others. But 2DBSK just get recognize in singing terms. ”
Really?? For their singing?? Is that true? Their singing is one of the main reasons why I never for a moment questioned JYJ’s decision to strike out on their own as a trio. When I heard that JYJ had left SM and that Homin was staying, my honest reaction was
“Well, no big loss there.” I always regarded their singing talent as marginal at best. Maybe you are referring to their studio recordings. Those have been so doctored electronically for every imaginable flaw…
I’ve watched a few fancams of their live performances — oooo, not good. Since I can’t stand listening to people sing off-key, I didn’t watch for very long. But to say that Homin are recognized for their singing…. that’s a stretch.
My thought would be that they are popular because they are both very attractive and young girls love the way they look.
ops! sorry.. my mistake for not mention about JYJ talent in singing and composing their own music. I listen to their songs almost everyday especially live performance (i’m a sucker for live performance) till I forget to mention about it. It kinda flows in my blood already. Half space of my hard disk had been conquered by JYJ fancam. huhu.. I need to buy a new one. or I could delete some variety shows. oh no. T_T
emm.. about 2DBSK singing, I just respect them work hard to start new and rely to each other voice. To be honest, I hate when they sing the old songs. It lost the flavor and the feel of 5 voices. TT I felt like want to scratch my nails on blackboard sometimes when heard them singing. Sorry 2DBSK…
I can’t judge their singing coz I’m not an expert. But I enjoy their live performance in jpn especially concert. (at this point I felt not fair for JYJ that can’t perform freely. huh !)
Enough with my ranting, the more I care about JYJ then I felt guilty for 2DBSK. The same goes for 2DBSK.
About popularity… I do not give a damn about it. Old fans or new fans quantity for each JYJ and 2DBSK does nothing on me. However for their trust and effort to support each team are amazing! I applaud for their continuous support ! Fighting! ^__^
this just reminds me of a classic saeguk or melodrama where the “evil” self serving guys try every thing they can to fight against the “good” guys but in the end they meet their own demise. i don’t have to say which ones are the evil and the good in this case either. may your fall be all you wished for the other guys but on your own heads instead~ just serving justice will be enough to give SM their due recompense i think. really, i don’t wish for bad for them cause they are their own worst enemies, i just want justice and fairness and freedom for JYJ and any other entertainers that will face the same stuff cause hopefully when this is all over, no one else will HAVE to go thru what JYJ did. SM is a dinosaur trying to survive in a modern business world using old methods so either they will see the light and change their practices or go down in blaze of epic failure.
@koreamom: if people are smart enough, they can make a drama or movie based on this!
…but yeah, there’s no chance that this movie would be produced in SK.
I just want to say that I am very proud of CJeS for treating the guys with fairness. They must be one of the top companies for entertainers, and JYJ seemed to make the right choice in joining the ranks of CJeS. The fans are watching CJeS staff through posts and we can see that they treat the guys with respect and take good care of them.SM is doing more damage than they realize–groups will not want to sign with them in the future because of the horrible way they treated JYJ. The boys seem very happy being with CJes. Good job, CJeS!
And the Academy Awards in Comedy Category goes to… SM Entertainment!!
“And the Academy Awards in Comedy Category goes to… SM Entertainment!!” LOL
Ow, let’s just forget about the past… SME doesn’t want to pay JYJ, making their hard work for years as charity… face palm.
SM dont want to end because it can use this to ban JYJ from tv appearance (music and variety show). But without tv appearance, JYJ can still sale album well ^^ SM you are so helpless and stupid. The one bad thing in this case is that JYJ cant make Japanese album and work in Japan as artists because of Avex. “Avex never let JYJ back to Japan til the court between JYJ and SM come to the end”
Always keep the faith and hope to the end..God is always there to help and protect our beloved three men from those mean people..to SME particularly, do remember that there’s SOMEONE who is above all. So, please stop oppressing innocent people!!!
Let’s just say thank you to SM because the harder they are on JYJ,the better our boys became.It is already proven in the past 3 years how much our boys had grown.They are already men and artists,they are no longer just idols to the teenager fans,they have gained so many other age group fans because their dramas and musicals which they would have no chance to do while with SM.Our boys are in control with what they want to do with their life,that is all that matters.So go down to the hell SM,you are already lost in this battle.
“After this recent hearing, it’s been confirmed that the exclusive contracts signed by both sides have been nullified, and that the decision to secure the individual entertainment activities of the JYJ members has been upheld.”
Ok, judicial system of SK, the ball is in your Court (pun intented). Here’s the play. Between now and “around’ September 13, 2012, your part of the game plan is to…pay attention please…GROW A PAIR! They don’t have to be steel, really, but just so they FUNCTION! Got that? We all know what the above quote means. The party is over! Just wrap everything up, clean it up nicely, turn out the lights, and close the damn door!
LSM/KYM/SME, here is your part of this game…it is now time for you to learn how to accept defeat graciously. I know this is a stretch for you, but trust me, you’ll feel better for it in the end. You knew from the start of the game you were outmatched. All the real talent was on the other team. They won the ball toss, they faked you out, they played great defense, they brought the crowd to their feet with exceptional plays, and the points kept racking up. The scoreboard said: Team JYJ 100 pts., Team SM 0 (that’s in goose egg, zip, nada, etc., you get the message). It’s over dudes. LET IT GO!! Just pay them what they are due. Let’s try and go out like grownups, okay?
JYJ, you did the right things, for the right reasons, at the right time, and that’s what winners do. They stay focused, they visualize, and produce. They don’t whine, bitch, and moan. The stand up straight, keep their heads held high, and work together as a team. None of your fans expect any less of you. We know what the deal is.
Psst Sejong…you’ve got them right where you want them, on the ropes, don’t let them off! Keep those punches coming. Oh yeah, different sport. Oooops.
JYJ Fandom, hang in there. When the game is finally over, whenever that may be, and it will be over; let’s not forget we have a party to plan. All champions like to have a ticker tape parade. So, our version will have to be an online party here at JYJ3. Time, and date TBA.
@BAF: “Let’s try and go out like grownups, okay?”
Ummm… too late.
@BAF: “When the game is finally over, whenever that may be, and it will be over”
Are you sure? Seems SK courts don’t understand the meaning of “final”. How many “outs” do they have in this game b4 the ref blows the whistle and says “game over” / “time’s up”? I think there’s too many extra innings in this game or else somebody threw out the rule book by mistake and it’s a free-for-all. /sigh
Enjoyed your comment.
this ” Forget the past ” request really make me sick
your abusive allies everywhere now, Asia being seized.
JYJ , however, lucky to have developed international new markets.
Today, a president visited a special island, envoy recalled….so wanna your 90% income source
vanish overnight, and your exhibition, be the first and , the last one.
Sorry for my evil thoughts here.
(*** insane individual fantasy )
I wonder if their exhibition as successful as JYJ’s?
@petdino
Must say that “town” is excellent at window dressing. ( eg at London Olympic free delivery 10000 + SK
promotion poster with SNSD, some SK promotion professor help SM & the govt )
and this exhibition pair up with SK top Tech big corps, will not be a big failure either .
In addition, worldwide travel packages flock to SK , attend 18-Aug hold the Tour show….
” A big success ” – will be the caption after 19-Aug-11.
SK govt doesn’t want it a big failure either.
JYJ fighting ^ no matter how the verdict goes, they stand still, posses their ownselves to live lives to the fullest
everything my sisters above said them all.. I just want to say hope the boys will get very cents which they deserve and freedom like any other artics! very proud to see them stick with their decision, proud with their strong bones! jyj fighting^_____^
So….i see WHERE the-previous-japanese-tabloid(..blablaGettingBack5..) are getting to!!!!
As i said before..when the both-side fail to reach ‘mutual-agreement’…BET..theres might be finger-pointing & blaming JYJ! =.=
@Dgz
“As i said before..when the both-side fail to reach ‘mutual-agreement’…BET..theres might be finger-pointing & blaming JYJ! =.=”
May I ask, what finger-pointing & blaming JYJ is there to do?
This entire lawsuit is not about anyone else, Here’s the most important part, it’s about ~~ JYJ!! No one else has a stake in this lawsuit, not you, me, any fan (no matter their stripe), or other living soul on this planet.
No one else but JYJ went through that hellish nightmare with SME. So no one else gets to blame crap!
If you do run across anyone doing any finger pointing, please tell them I said, Get A Life.
Thanks.
@butterfliesarefree2
Well said
@BAF
“BET..theres might be finger-pointing & blaming JYJ! =.=””
Yes, there has been some. Check out the AllKPop link above where this article came from. There are the usual suspects, kids obviously, saying JYJ’s lawyers are complicating matters again. (huh??) Yes, they’re complicating matters by saying “WE WANT OUR DAMN MONEY, PLEASE.” lol I still have to shake my head at the people who ask, “when will DBSK be able to reunite as 5?? Now?? Soon?? When??”
*rolling eyes**
Quelle supris! (sp)
@lili
I did check the AKP link to see what people have got to say there. Major facepalm! Pure stupidity, extremely ignorant fools who have perhaps been living under a rock all the while, especially some Homin stans who blame JYJ for this and that, even mentioning about the cosmetics business that the court dismissed a long time ago and even SME couldn’t use it as an excuse to blame JYJ any more. They ask why JYJ wouldn’t just give in and settle with SME, and they have a problem with JYJ claiming compensation for all the lost paychecks the boys should have earned during years of hard work. I just can’t with these people! SMH. I do hope they’ll get a job in which they’re over-worked and under-paid with a control freak as a boss so that they would know how JYJ had felt working under SME.
@Angie
They ask why JYJ wouldn’t just give in and settle with SME, and they have a problem with JYJ claiming compensation for all the lost paychecks the boys should have earned during years of hard work.”
Hi, my friend – the people who say this have obviously never earned a paycheck in their lives. Anyone who has ever worked slavishly hard to earn a living and is then told by their employer, “oops, you failed to make this outrageously inflated quota so you get NOTHING” doesn’t make those kinds of foolish comments.
Ok, I went and checked it out. You brave intrepid soul.
It pretty much mirrors what the mindset is in the world of kpop, not much of a sense of reality. There were a few who get it. I had to shake my head when one commenter asked who was YongMin. Oh, so you don’t even know who the major players are, but you have an opinion, based on what?
Yeah, it’s kind of sad to realize the learning curve is so steep. There are quite a number of folks who are going to get screwed in life because they simply are not paying attention. Sad.
@Angie
Did you tell those extremely ignorant fools to chase HoMin out of SME and join our JYJ? Just to see their reaction for fun, I wonder what would be the answer. Hopefully, this will shock them and wake them up from their stupid cult.
Why don’t they talk about how much SME has to pay JYJ when JYJ win? It’s much more interesting to test their math skill than their accusation.
@Cat95
“Did you tell those extremely ignorant fools to chase HoMin out of SME and join our JYJ?”
Actually, I like this idea a lot.
I posted on AllKPop yesterday that perhaps all OT5s might like to band together and mount a massive campaign to boycott all SM product until they settle the lawsuit with JYJ, that being the only possible way any sort of reunion might be thought of. (OK, that part was not a very likely outcome, granted.) But I like your idea too. Why can’t we suggest that all the OT5s start petitioning Homin to stop the insanity and leave SM, grow a pair, stand up and say “no more abusing our brothers” and see if they can’t be welcomed back as a 5 member group?
I wonder what the OT5s reaction would be to this idea? I’d lay odds that they’d refuse to do it because deep down they know perfectly well Homin would never dream of doing such a thing and WHY that might be is…well, they don’t want to think bad thoughts about their oppas. It’s sooooo much easier to just lay all the blame on JYJ. That way, they can still moon over how cute YH and CM are and their consciences are not unnecessarily bothered.
@butterfliesarefree2
Nice to meet you! Great posted.
@congado70
The same here. Always glad to see new activity. Thank you.
You speak too much truth! You make too much sense! Ho!
SM is fighting a losing battle. And their standpoint to “forget about the past”- not only is that asking JYJ to forget all of what they’ve had to undergo over these years, but it also equals, in my opinion, SM taking zero accountability for their underhanded actions.
SK court system: please get your act together, stop wasting time, and make the decision.
JYJ have carried themselves admirably through this whole ordeal: not only enduring the obstacles they’ve faced, but creating new opportunities despite them. They deserve justice. I am so proud of these three individuals who decided to stand up for what they believe and know to be right. JYJ fighting!
@Tiffany
That is the reason that I’m congratulating JYJ.
They have been showing high spirits in spite of their ordeal.
JYJ fighting^^
JYJ fans fighting^^
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I’ve read this article last night, and its sinking into me just now…
“forget about the past“ are you kidding me??? what is the use of the law if you always “forget about the past“?? lots of criminals will be roaming around the streets if you “forget about the past“…
as what JJ said about the meaning of AKTF, JYJ will never just “forget about the past“.. they will surely stand for what they believe is right.. i think, this will not end in September.. But whatever happens, JYJ fans will always support and love them ..
@mary gail delena
I agree. When the criminal says “forget the past’ and gets away with it, there goes civilized society. I have a pretty strong feeling there will be no “forgetting the past” in this case.
@gairud
I like your posted. ” Forget about the past, are you kidding me???”
For Goodness Sake! JYJ are humans not Gods. They can forgive but not forget. SM’s representatitive Kim said:” The court still trial nothing can be said”
Of course, you have nothing to said, but look what’s your company have done to JYJ, that more than enough.
After three year, the SK court still on trial and delay the time bc SM too strong. I don’t think the battle will end in Sept.
If SM lose this battle they will lose their faces, they can’t stop JYJ activities in Korea any more and their shares will be go down.
Be strong JYJ, keep’s fighting, no matter how long it take, I don’t want you go back to the prison, as you get out three years and you taste and face many issues by SME.
I wish you have justice. We support you forever, no matter what’s happen.
” They can forgive but not forget.” i agree… JYJ has kind hearts, they will always forgive.. but forget is another thing.. SM will not settle with any agreement easily.. they will do anything in their power just to win the fight, i just hope the SK court will fall to SM’s power..
Even if more appeals are made after JYJ wins the final verdict, I rather have this case be solved through law rather than by arbitration.
For one, we can’t trust SMs words anymore saying all these gibberish as they please. But its also a big deal, cause for once, the current CEO of SM actually went into this meeting..with JYJ not present HA.
Also, I’m glad/relieved JYJ have been so good at keeping this case a private matter, using a representative at all times rather than by other means. Just made me think of all the scandals and breaking news of kpop stars lately. But I’m also deeply saddened we as their fans cannot know what they’re gong through cause they have to keep so hush hush about it. In the future, I hope they release their tension and spill the beans on SM. That old company is so lucky JYJ are decent people to not be dissing them at this very moment.
and even if this trial will took many years to settle, i’ll always support Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. Cause i’ll keep my faith too.
Well, my friends all of you got what is going on here, you SMelled the stink. The way I see it, this company by prolonging ( and using the law to do so) this process, they are continuing to bully, to abuse, and in their minds, to teach the boys a lesson ( and anyone else who dare to shake the establishment). Just because, SMelly uses the laws available to defend their case, doesn’t mean they are not continuing to abuse. The SMelly ( and the father of the wave) can’t afford to loose this battle, not only because they have to let the boys go, but because they invested a lot to manufacture/perfect/package and sell this receipe ( k-pop/k-wave) to the world, and they can do so because they garnered government support. if the government realizes ( hopefully sooner than later) that this system is flawed. then how can they get financial+infrastructure to keep feeding this k-pop beast? LSM has a lot at steak. The man goes to universities in the states to glorify his perfected system. he is not the CEO ( a CEO is just an employee who works for the BOD), the man is allegedly the biggest stockholder, he is protecting his investments and his legacy( ?)
Stamp my damn feet: I WANT MY OWN EDIT BUTTON. That is it I said it
This idea of “forgetting the pas” is another form of oppression when the oppressor is requesting it. The oppressor being in a position of power, thinks that it is in its right to continue to dictate how a conflict is settled. We see this attitude veiled in so many forms, oppressor-playing victim, oppressor-playing the bigger person, oppressor-invoking a moment of loss of their minds. It’s a from of manipulation, especially done publicly because it forces the oppressed to act being watched and scrutinized by the public.
@daebaksama
“his idea of “forgetting the past” is another form of oppression when the oppressor is requesting it.”
Yes, Yes, Yes! You are SO right on this! Especially this: “The oppressor being in a position of power, thinks that it is in its right to continue to dictate how a conflict is settled.” This is EXACTLY what we are witnessing. SM continues to think that IT is calling the shots here! They can NOT imagine otherwise. This is why they have progressed far beyond being merely a bad company, they have now entered the dark and dangerous territory of being AN INSANE company.
@daebaksama
LSM’s legacy, and a pitiful one it ever was going to be, is in the TOILET courtesy of the JYJ affair and how he handled it. The actions of this company towards arguably its most successful ever group of young artists sealed the doom of any legacy he might have hoped for years ago. Then, if all of that wasn’t bad enough, add 3 more years of harassment and abuse of authority, of acting like a gangster, of being arrogant and histrionically vindictive, just as you said. The Legacy, is a pathetic tattered and torn piece of shit stained garbage at this point. The man will go down in the history books as an exploiter and an abuser, a criminal and a hypocrite. Nice going, protector of your legacy, LSM! Good job!
@daebaksama @lilibaiyu
Lee Soo Man POV on law and justice is this…
http://twitpic.com/ai7x1t
We need to spread this poster. It’s so on point.
anyone know how much damage cjes/jyj want sm to pay? so the sept court is still arbitrary court, right? i mean, there’s no way sm want other choice aside from arbitrary. even if they have to pay, they would do anything to keep it off from public.
i don’t expect this to end soon, honestly. it’s not like i can’t support jyj in this mean time…
@noiha
“anyone know how much damage cjes/jyj want sm to pay? ”
No, that’s still a closely guarded secret from fans and the public. I’m sure it’s a HUGE amount. My understanding is that the trial starts over again in September. You think it’s the that arbitration does? I’m not sure then — maybe you are right.
@noiha
That should read: You think that it’s the arbitration does?
@noiha
Oh man… lol … time for bed. That should read: You think that it’s the arbitration that does?
—”an edit button! My kingdom for an edit button!”
@lilibaiyu: i don’t know… the news stated that it’s a trial, another rumor (yep, rumor) that this is an ongoing arbitration (?). but this is barely the first meeting with approximately 90 min. i thought it’d be impossible to reach agreement after years of disagreement in that short time.
lol i just don’t want to be disappointed expecting a ‘decision’ will be made next month. if next month is just another meeting, then i’ll expect more delay… it’s annoying how it took a month to schedule another meeting thoug -.-”
@noiha
Well, lots of good news then with this update: http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/
Here is a much better summary. Frankly it really makes me wonder about the AKP article yesterday. It was incredibly misleading about reporting the “new trial” – a misstatement that clearly favors SM, whose life mission appears to be misinforming if not downright lying to fans. But in the updated article it says we get a VERDICT on 9/10 which finally makes sense to me. A “new trial” just made no sense.
@lilibaiyu thanks for the links! it clears up many confusion. hopefully it’ll settle for real.
both of them are actually from the same link, but the missing in translation is not a joke. trial and final ruling are both different things… o.O seriously, things like this should only be handled by experts. thanks dedicatee!
@noiha
1.First CJeS nothing to do with ths lawsuit. It’s between Jaejoong,Yoochun and Junsu againts SM Entertainment !
2.I’ve read somewhere the amount is 3 billion won, but I’m not sure it’s legit or not .
If I’m not mistaken the original amount quoted in an article was $3M USD. This was back at the beginning, not long after the lawsuit had been filed. But that could simply be a teaser. After all this time, I’m sure the figure has gone up, at least I hope it has.
@BAF
Yo! Check this out. A MUCH better summary of yesterday’s events! Big news item: there will be a verdict 9/10 unless SM and JYJ reach an out of court settlement beforehand.
http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/
How long will this continue? Eternity, perhaps? I wish it would just end … so that JYJ could appear on public broadcast and regain freedom!
I always wonder how much stock in SM all these decision makers have – KBS CEO, this judge, Congress, etc.- all the people who could help JYJ.
Also, I seem to recall that 10-12 years ago when Lee Soo Man was prosecuted for tax evasion, the judge who decided against him lost his position after that. The judge for JYJ’s trial knows what he has to do and REALLY doesn’t want to have to do it. That’s why he keeps trying for the 2 sides to make a decision on their own.
Everyone in the country is afraid of Lee Soo Man. He is like a big mafia boss, only he doesn’t use violence, just modern techniques, like the threat of losing your job and never being able to work again.
And also, why does being a fan of anyone in SME require leaving reasonable judgment behind. It’s like they intentionally create some alternate reality that doesn’t make sense under scrutiny I noticed it back in the OT5 days quite a lot. Couple relationships between straight guys with photo shopped pics as evidence of the relationship. I even had a conversation with a couple shipper who said that to me, she included the photo shopped pics as proof. I thought, “Fake photos as proof.” Some kind of acceptance of a fake reality as the real thing. I see that same tendency in the arguments they make about JYJ now.
And it seems just this same reasoning which can make it seem acceptable to “just forget the past” and have that seem like a reasonable request. I wonder how many family members of murder victims would think that was a reasonable way to deal with the killer.
@Lisa
“why does being a fan of anyone in SME require leaving reasonable judgment behind. It’s like they intentionally create some alternate reality that doesn’t make sense under scrutiny I noticed it back in the OT5 days quite a lot.”
I’ve discussed this many times with butterfliesarefree. We’ve felt for a while now that SM has instilled a “cult-mentality” in the fandom of DBSK that makes it fairly easy to suggest totally absurd things and then warn that a “True Fan” will not question them, that “Always Keep The Faith” means blind loyalty, forever, no matter what. It’s pretty scary actually but then they are trying to attract young kids who are still living at home, have never held a job, etc. How else could they manage to convince people that JYJ should just walk away from the fortune they made and are owed by SM and “forget the past?” For a company steeped in as much monumental GREED as SM is to actually repeatedly suggest that the members of JYJ are “just greedy – that’s why they left” is pretty shocking… Now THAT’s going to be some really BAD Karma coming back to bite them in the ass someday. You can’t treat your fellow humans as SM has done and then defame them to cover up your ill deeds and not get pay-back big time somewhere down the road.
SM seems to have the ability to create this kind of alternate way of thinking even among nonfans – making people think they are right and that JYJ are just greedy, that the lawsuit is a legitimate reason to block them from all media. Obvious illegal activity on their part can be made to seem legitimate and upright.
For that reason, they evade karma’s obvious retaliation. Their use of threat, intimidation and what I assume must be bribery supports that. It will take a long time for karma to work it’s way through all that.
@Lisa
“SM seems to have the ability to create this kind of alternate way of thinking even among nonfans – making people think they are right and that JYJ are just greedy, that the lawsuit is a legitimate reason to block them from all media. Obvious illegal activity on their part can be made to seem legitimate and upright.”
Worry not.
Deceipt is deceipt, whether on a small scale or a monumentally grand scale, like SM’s. The universal laws of karma can not be fooled by SM’s transparent little ploys to fool the uninitiated. Their attempts to “make things appear legitimate” have been by and large laughable in my estimation. Any intelligent, free-thinking person will size up the situation and smell a rat a mile away. I singled out the Greed issue because to my mind, this was maybe the most grievous lie SM told the fandom as to why they were embroiled in this lawsuit. I believe you don’t flout the truth like that, you don’t cheat like that and if you do, you must expect payback and the bigger the offense, the worse it’s going to be. This one was big and dark and bad. And lots and lots of the fandom believed it and repeated it over and over. So payback for this one is going to be huge.
Good, I am glad that our boys are standing firm and have decided to not come to a private agreement with SM. Since details of an agreement via arbitration are kept confidential, I was hoping that the JYJ legal team would not take this route. For many years, this ruthless company has been allowed to get away with way too many shady practices, and a private agreement would once again allow SM to make some face-saving statements to save its reputation. A public trial with its published proceedings is the most effective way to reveal SM’s misdeeds. SM’s true colors should be exposed to the general public. This way, SM will eventually be held accountable not only by its ex-employees and the law, but the Korean people as well.
Since this is the sixth meeting, it appears that JYJ are not compromising on key issues. Glad that they are set to go the distance and hope that JYJ will not let SM off the hook. Base on the translation, it appears that the case will resume trial in September? Unless there were some undisclosed legal technicalities, I can’t imagine the court wanting to conduct a new trial altogether. But who knows! Even if we have a new trial, I don’t think this one will last as long since most of the required documents have been dragged out of SM. Unfortunately, while the first part, the validity of the contract is declared null and void–a victory for JYJ–they are still stuck on the second part, the nitty gritty part, and by far the more arduous and time-consuming phase of this trial.
Nevertheless, I think that the end is in sight. But JYJ knew what a long and difficult journey this would be when they decided to file this lawsuit. Despite all the blacklisting, our boys are doing just fine. No matter how tough the struggle has been the past three years, they have maintained they eyes on the prize. And in the process, they have grown from boys to strong and independent men able to finally take control of their own personal and artistic visions. I am one proud noona fan!
My hope is that despite our differences, we, the JYJ Republic will stay in this journey with JYJ. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I am supporting JYJ not because I pity them, but because I admire their bravery. Well, it helps that they are so darn talented and cute, too!!
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@sflily
” Glad that they are set to go the distance and hope that JYJ will not let SM off the hook. Base on the translation, it appears that the case will resume trial in September?”
Read this: http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/
It’s a MUCH better summary of yesterday’s events. It says we get a verdict 9/10, not a new trial. Frankly getting a new trial just made NO sense to me yesterday. In order to get a new trial, there needs to be a verdict first, then an appeal is filed for a new trial. So this new summary clears that up. I feel very relieved. And excited for September 10th.
@kaniatheonlyone: cjes is representing jyj in the lawsuit. yep, basically, no other parties stated in the lawsuit other than jaejoong, yoochun, junsu, and sm.
No CJeS can’t ! For ths lawsuit CJeS is not representing of the boys !
ah… i see, i see. i kinda mixed this up with other lawsuits.
Justice is a choice ????? No wonder so many notable coffee chain shops , even reported against fair trade , non-stop depriving poor coffee beans farmers, chain shops still in the prime business.
The only way to solve these fans’ mind conflicts , is to lose JYJ forever.
Keep supplying SM, help them extinct JYJ, this day will not be very far.
Real cruel case is recent Junsu’s solo concert in Asia, especially in HK.
The wound is unmeasurable, both to fans and JYJ.
Conscience consumption, SHOULD a simple principle for all civilized buyers.
Ridiculous! Before burying the hatchet, pay what you owed to JYJ and apologize your illegal and obnoxious conducts to JYJ and fans!!!!!
On one hand , requests JYJ to ” forget the past “, on the other hand , seize away EVERY exposure opportunity from them.
Upcoming Sino – Korea long term relationship Concert in Sept ~ Oct, 2012. Who have REPLACED the trio,
sigh…… these events are big honor and golden chance to expose to China giant markets. ><
HK representative to Korea in the 10th anniversary was Eason Chan. ( top singer artist)
This final gave us the reason why