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Hai JYJFamily , hope this month will give our JYJ more happines , wins the lawsuit , and *cough* appear on tv music show , variety show and more !!
LOL me too hopefully SoMeonE don’t get in the way
rather than hoping JYJ will be appear at TV show or something, i prefer to hope they can have same chance to promote their music equally with other singer, whether it’s in korea or japan
To be honest i am not really sure that our boys can appear on tv music show, variety show or any entertainment program even though they win the lawsuit since we knew that SM and their cronies never gonna allow it, if our boys win then there are must be a many made up reason to banned our boys for appear on those show since i believe that there are some people who felt that they are gonna lost many things if the boys ( and i am not only talk about SM but also other people who gonna crumble down too if that truly happen). So i am gonna wait and see first what it’s gonna be happen later.
But even though if our boys still on the banned situation and like some people said that SM became more bigger than before, it’s not gonna makes me scared or worry too much. Maybe it’s sound like i am over confident now but i am not gonna makes myself to lose any hope about the justice or my hope to people like our boys who fought for their human right decreased. So what if those company became big and seem like a king of entertainment world in SK, it’s not gonna changes the fact that inside those company already became a place with full with a rotten people. Maybe i sound rude but i can’t find any other word to called them.
Beside what the result that you gonna have if since the beginning we done something that full with infamy or wickedness to other people ? of course it’s gonna be horrible too right ?. But why those people became look so powerful and bigger instead to fall or busted ? don’t you think it’s weird ?. To be honest at the beginning i am also worried too but then i found the answer which makes me smile every time i read about how big SM became. Don’t mad to me before u finish read my comment.
I am happy not because i changes my side to SM but i am happy because God already took a step for give a punishment to them. They are not realized it because those punishment started with many good things happen to them but actually after God felt satisfied and thought that it’s the time then i am not gonna surprise if after they got everything they want, suddenly with unexpected event they loss everything only with a minutes. So instead being angry and worried too much, i choose to being happy and keep my activities to observe and enjoying every project that our boys done beside worried too much and anger is not good for your healthy so why don’t we keep our positive minds. Well that was my opinion and actually i still wanna give my opinion but i am not really good for stated every opinion that i have into the english words.
Sorry for the long comment (bow ).
@miaw @lilibaiyu
i agree, thanks @miaw for your statement
Take heart, the most that JYJ fans has accomplished over these years was to continue on supporting JYJ in all their activities – both solo and group
let us continue to anchor and fuel our JYJ Love on our genuine,strong and deep faith on their exceptional talents, capacities and competencies as artists and our immense appreciation on the beauty of their persons….JYJ made it these far, despite and inspite , and they remain square and fair in all battles too, no matter how long the waiting
Hatred is not our agenda, and vengeance is all up to God
I suppose that’s what “Always Keep the Faith” means
Peace be with you sisters
@miaw
I love you, dear miaw. Those were very inspiring words you wrote.
@lili
thank u and love u too my dear older sister
I know there is JYJ fan club/group in different countries, do they communicate with each other? United States has many states, I’ve heard of JYJ of LA and JYJ of NY, are there any other JYJ groups from other states? Is NJ and PA part of NY? Who’s the leader and how can I join?
@Sharina
My V.E. sister butterfliesarefree is from Philly, but there is no official fan club there, per se or anywhere else in the US that I’m aware of. What we like to do is to just congregate here on JYJ3.net and become friendly and share our lives, our back stories and our love for JYJ. We have resisted the “official fanclub” route so far because it is uncomfortably reminiscent of SM’s Official fanclubs, which were little more than virtual classrooms where they could indoctrinate fans who loved DBSK/TVXQ into buying more, more, MORE product and spreading their self-serving propaganda far and wide. We disapprove of this approach to fandom, we enjoy our independence and our ability to draw our own conclusions and share them with the group here as situations arise. Thanks for asking and welcome to JYJ3!
@lilibaiyu
thanks for explaining. i used to wonder if there is or will be an international JYJ fanclub. i think i’m just content to be a JYJ’s international fan who support them till the end without getting myself labeled as ‘official’ fan. and i can proudly tell that i’m so happy to hang out in JYJ3 (almost) everyday…LOL…my sister is a JYJ fan, too, and once even said that she regarded herself a JYJ3 fan….:D
10 more days to the said trial! I don’t know what will happen, but this time round I will not put my hopes up so high. I don’t know why, I fell so hard the last time round
I’ll be waiting….. patiently…. dun dun dunnn. I actually don’t know what I’m waiting for. On the 13th, the Courts will decide whether I’ll throw my laptop out the window, buy a voodoo doll, or gather my mob to “pay a visit” to them…
I will play the drum roll over the next ten days….
I feel like JYJ are gonna win this tilme for sure but i don’t know if this winning will let them appear on Variety dhows etc…
@Edede
“On the 13th, the Courts will decide whether I’ll throw my laptop out the window, buy a voodoo doll, or gather my mob to “pay a visit” to them…”
Are you still accepting applications for initiation into the mob?
I know JYJ3 is a great place to get all the latest news about our beloved JYJ but Is there any International JYJ Forum?
@kimmarmar
Yep. This is it!
@lilibaiyu @Ellis
Wow! You live in a really beautiful area Ellis. The snow looks great. In the mountains I live in, we don’t get much snow at all, just a lot of cold. & I hate having cold feet!
“@Sapphire
” Lili doesn’t know it yet, but I’ll be joining her on her sojourn to Italy, as long as it’s before the start of winter!”
Sounds good to me. We can start an underground blog together of fiery rhetoric and assorted retaliations dedicated to the utter destruction for all time of SME. No end o’ fun, right?? lol”
So I propose we move the underground blog & ourselves to the Riviera, French or Italian – either one is fine with me, sun ourselves to a crisp & let rip with that fiery rhetoric & assorted retaliations!! (& maybe a plan to bomb SM in the not too distant future!)
My beloved and shy princess Sapphire,
If you’ll move to the Mediterranean shores, I’ll join you on week-ends (someone has to work for a living!).
I’ll be happy to collaborate with you and Lili in destroying SM. Metaphorically or actively? Both sound good to me!
@Ellis
I’m smiling so big right now! ^_____________________^ I love you too. *hugs you tight* Obviously one of us is going to have to win Lotto, then we can holiday on the Riviera, in between infiltrating SM & conducting our nefarious-destroy-sm-missions!
@Sapphire
OK, OK, I volunteer to win the lottery. I’ll support everyone so no one has to leave their chaise lounge on the beach to go to **ugh!** work.
Thank you Miss Lili! That’s very kind of you…
Give me a call when what you planned will be ready!! Remeber to give notice of that to our BAF!
**starts packing a bag with kaftans, bikinis & beach towel *
And please don’t forget your flip flops “Chungnam style”
@Ellis
“**starts packing a bag with kaftans, bikinis & beach towel ** And please don’t forget your flip flops “Chungnam style””
Forget my flip-flops?? Hardly. That’s all I wear anymore.
But I will limit myself to only bringing 5 pairs.
@Lilibaiyu
OK, I’ll undertake to tweet pics to Junsu of beautiful Mediterranean scenery, cats, football & yummy Italian food, to lure him, Jaejoong & Chunnie to our floating gin palace for a luxury holiday + private concert! No Lili, you CANNOT turn your room into a private pris…. er, sanctuary for Jaejoong. I’m calling shotgun on that!! *skipping off before Lili & Ellis strangle me*
excuse me friends w/ this
allkpop postd n artcle-gdragon achieve PAK w/ his new song..
im hurt that our talented Junsu is not being rcognizd fairly…though i know to jyj and to some fans charts dont matter anymore..but for me im still somehow affected.
hope after sept.13 they will regain their freedom and be recognize……accordingly <3
peace
I can totally understand why you are hurt, it’s seriously not fair. For me, it’s not that I don’t care about charts and ranking for our JYJ superstars, I just don’t care to pay attention to charts when JYJ don’t have a level playing field.
Sometimes I’ll hear a song on the radio and I hate it, I switch the station and can’t believe something so god awful can be popular. But the darn song keeps being replayed on every station, it’s in entertainment news, it’s in the bars and dance clubs, I can’t escape the song. Next thing I know, I’m somehow singing along to every word to this silly little song that I swear I didn’t spend any time trying to learn, and tapping my feet to the pedestrian beat. Being able to be seen and heard on a daily basis is a seriously effective marketing strategy that JYJ do not have the option to engage in.
Some of my all time favorite songs took a few repeats for me to really fall hard for its’ charms. Sometimes the sound is too different from what I usually like, sometimes I miss the meaning, sometimes I’m not in the mood for that particular sound. And JYJ have no way around the ever changing proclivities of the consumer, you have to like them and seek out their music, because any chance of reaching new fans is blocked completely. Paying attention to the charts is like watching a soccer game when you already know the referees have been paid off to favor a certain team. I have no interest in keeping tabs on foul play.
Hi has everyone been lately? I’ve been very busy lately so I haven’t been able to visit and comment on this website as often as I would like. The other day I was thinking about what type of album I would like JYJ to put out. For me, I would want an album that played like a large song, but consisted of many genres. (Something similar to Janelle Monae’s The ArchAndroid album). JYJ’s voices and composing styles are so versatile, and I think this sort of album would show off their talents greatly. Hopefully, since JYJ likes to experiment, I may get to listen the very album I wish for.
For anyone who wants to listen to Janelle Monae’s album, here’s a link to a playlist:
I just saw this fan cam on YouTube in which Junsu ripped his pants on stage in LA during uncommitted. Instead of trying to conceal the fact that he ripped his pants, he kept on dancing and thus showing his professional side. Here’s the fan cam I saw.
I was wondering if he was wearing pants made of stretch material, it would help in his stage shows. Also, he’s wearing black pants that are a little short and show off his white socks–that was trademark Michael Jackson.
I was just thinking earlier about SM & whether their idols had to pay for their shares, & thought that in the same situation, I wouldn’t want those shares anyway, because it would make me a link in the chain of corruption, exploitation & abuse that SM specializes in. (Before anyone jumps on me, I understand why those idols took the shares – they have to earn money somehow, & it’s not like SM gives them ANY time off to rest let alone earn money elsewhere.) But then I realized what a genius idea it was to either give or have the idols pay for shares in their own company. If the shares were given to them in lieu of pay, you can guarantee that what they got wasn’t equivalent to what they should have been paid. But even if they had to pay for them, by having his idols as shareholders in SM, it gives LSM a whole lot of watchdogs to guard all the idols his company “manages.” After all, if your income depends on how much money your colleagues are bringing in, you’re probably going to actively dissuade them from rocking the boat with the way SM treats them, & definitely do anything & everything you can to make sure no more cash cows decide to go the JYJ route & take all their potential future earnings elsewhere. & to take it one step further, in the sort of competitive kill or be killed environment that could thus be created, idols might very well end up lobbying SM to drop other acts they think aren’t bringing in enough cash to cover their own expenses, let alone leave enough leftovers for anyone else. So ultimately, by either giving or having his idols pay for shares in SM, LSM has minimised any losses he had to pay them, & has also tightened his stranglehold on them.
@Sapphire
“I was just thinking earlier about SM & whether their idols had to pay for their shares, & thought that in the same situation, I wouldn’t want those shares anyway, because it would make me a link in the chain of corruption, exploitation & abuse that SM specializes in. ”
A very intriguing post, I must say that my intuition is very similar to yours. And if anyone thinks that LSM’s mind doesn’t work in EXACTLY the way you describe, they are kidding themselves. Further, I think there was no possibility whatsoever that any of the acts could have declined those shares. That was yet another ‘no negotiation possible” move on SM’s part.
Yesterday I read that another female Idol singer left SM after — hey, what a shock! — her 13 year contract was up. I was once again struck by how robotically humble and grateful her words were about her former employers. It was almost as if…. she was scared to death of what would happen to her if she really told the truth about what it was like. I believe that SM has each and every one of its idols in a death grip of fear. I know there’s lots of people who think it’s just fine to “support both sides.” I just hope they realize what they are supporting when they support SM.
ISAK (Ida Simmons) is the singer you’re referring to. She started her career as a duo with Lina of CSJH. (In my opinion, she should have been the fifth in that group, but being bi-racial wasn’t as trendy 7 years ago.)
Her words were restrained in her announcement on Facebook last Friday, but she has talked very frankly to the press in the past about the horrible restrictions that were placed on her personal life at SME. I don’t know what you read — could it have been a translation of a Korean article which in turn had translated her English post?– but what I saw was a carefully worded thank you to the people she’s worked with, the artists being singled out. All she said about the company in particular was, “No hard feelings and no arguments just an agreement on me moving on with my career.” She’d already vented and paid the price (exiled to Arirang), I can understand her being cautious just when she finally has a chance to restart her music career. . .
Now, I’m hoping that Lina’s contract will be up soon (I don’t know what damage the hiatus caused on that front) and then the three of them (Lina, Ida, and Stephanie) can give JYJ a run for the prize.
What? I can dream. 
this is the old interview: http://sharingyoochun.net/2009/10/06/news-091004-isak-on-the-korean-idol-world-mentions-tvxq/
Thanks, noiha. That’s the specific article I was thinking of.
But I also think were issues earlier in her career (which is why Isak N Jiyeon were shelved) but I have nothing solid to back up the speculation.
She’s baaaaaaaaaaaaack!
I can see I’ve missed some interesting comment postings.
First dear @miaw…yes, the reality is that JYJ may not get the opportunity, right away, to begin appearing on regular television or radio programming. However, I subscribe to Gandhi’s belief, and I’m paraphrasing here…good triumphs over evil in the end, it always does. It may not happen today, tomorrow or next year, but it will happen. The Universe always puts the corrections in when and where it is suitable to do so. JYJ will have their day in the sun. All those entities will one day find out that all their efforts were meaningless. The good hearts of the members of JYJ will prevail in the end.
@Edede
“On the 13th, the Courts will decide whether I’ll throw my laptop out the window, buy a voodoo doll, or gather my mob to “pay a visit” to them…”
Ok, I’m down with the voodoo doll as well. Philly is known for it’s own “mob — La Cosa Nostra”. So, I already know how it works. I’m willing to join the mob too.
@Sapphie
“Sounds good to me. We can start an underground blog together of fiery rhetoric and assorted retaliations dedicated to the utter destruction for all time of SME. No end o’ fun, right?? lol””
This will give me the outlet to hone my creative thinking skills. Love it!
@Ellis
Hello my sister Italiana. Oh I’m loving the idea of a gathering of the ‘mob’ in the Mediterrean. I’ve always wanted to come back and visit Italy. Oh the inspiration! Love it!
@Sapphie, @Lili
Yes, the ‘forced’ purchase of those stocks by those SM artists is another shining example of how lowball this company will go. Subjugating people is the company’s specialty. However seedy and smarmy this practice is, it can only last but so long. The returns are going to diminish at some point. The really sad part is the emotional toll this takes on a person. Unless one has a fighting spirit, it is hard to maintain the happy go lucking mentality. But in the end, what goes around, comes around. As I’ve said before, this is the faith I’m going to hold onto.
@BAF
“However, I subscribe to Gandhi’s belief, and I’m paraphrasing here…good triumphs over evil in the end, it always does. It may not happen today, tomorrow or next year, but it will happen. The Universe always puts the corrections in when and where it is suitable to do so.”
Firstly and foremostly — Welcome Back!
The only thing I dare add is that sometimes, NOT getting what you pray for is the best possible thing to happen, after all is said and done. So if JYJ do not get to appear on domestic television – what is left for them to do? Go global, that’s what! And this being the international fans of JYJ list, what better news for us is that more and more, JYJ will be depending on US to love them, support them and in return, they will turn their loving focus upon US in terms of coming to our various countries to perform. What could be better? JYJ gets a worldwide audience and they end up HUNDREDS of times more successful and popular than all of the shabby formulaic K-Pop groups they left behind in SK. As butterfliesarefree likes to say: Sweet!
Hi BAF!
Happy to see you’re back!!
Lately I was worried for your absence … I was afraid that you hadn’t been able to withstand the extreme sensuality of Junsu and that you were unconscious and lying in an unfamiliar bed, unable to overcome the shock resulted from the “Close encounter of the third kind” in New York … (^__^)
P.S. I was confident that you’d have embraced the good cause of a ‘ conspiracy ‘ against SM with @Lili @Sapphi and me, especially if the gathering would be held on the warm Mediterranean coasts.
Sardinia anyone?
It’s a beautiful place where establish a centre of operations for “Fellowship of JYJ”!
http://www.desktop-wallpapers.org/category/travel/italy-sardinia/
My dear Ellis, Sardinia it is for me! Absolutely breath taking! My closest visit to the Mediterrean was near Naples when we visited Pompeii, to see the ruins. Italy, what a beautiful country from top to bottom. As I mentioned before, my fartherest north was Florence (Firenze), bellisimo!
Trust me, he had it rockin’ all right. I have to admit, I liked the “Uncommitted” video shown at the concert as opposed to the official one released. It is clear without that cloudy, dreamy look. You get to see how really handsome Junsu is in this one. Too bad that is not the one that was released.
“Fellowship of JYJ” with the sisterhood of the JYJ3. I like this.
@Ellis @Baf
“Lately I was worried for your absence … I was afraid that you hadn’t been able to withstand the extreme sensuality of Junsu and that you were unconscious and lying in an unfamiliar bed, unable to overcome the shock resulted from the “Close encounter of the third kind” in New York … (^__^)” ROFL!!! I would PAY to see Mummy-hen in that state!!!! *runs away before she wallops me*
Welcome back Mummy-hen *smiles innocently!*
Sardinia looks heavenly
Sign me up for the “Fellowship of JYJ.”
Hello Sapphire Ann,
Yeah, right. “Close encounter of the third kind”. Ok, laugh. ^___^ But seeing him live on stage was enough. Junsu knows how work it all right. I’m still kicking the memory of his performance of Tarantallegra. The video has nothing on the live!
Smile back at you sweetie, and a butterfly kiss.
I keep bumping into yt comments on names of club. we, jyj fans, do we have an actual name? actually, do we need one?
I guess some fans can call themselves cassies, but i’m not since i no longer support the name tvxq(2).
at the same time, i dont think i need to be called anything to be a jyj fan. i actually prefer to call myself, well.. JYJ FAN.
what do you think? would u like to have a name? if you do, what would be the best?
if there is to be a name.. i just hope i can adjust to it xD
@2017questa
I’ve never thought we needed a name for our fandom. (I was never a Cassie.) I think being a ‘JYJ fan’ is just fine.
Being a JYJ Fan says it all. No need to be anything else. Everyone who is a fan is a part of this family. I would rather be a part of a family instead of a club. Families are much more important, IMHO. Names and clubs come and go.
“Names and clubs come and go” word. and i always hate when someone put out ‘ur not a true….(cassie, eg).’ there shouldnt be that much of a definition of a fan, rite? as long as you like them, no matter in what way, ur a fan.
i don’t mind if i just called as JYJ fan beside even though i already knew about our boys since long time ago but i never called myself as a cassie…… and i am proud to be part of JYJ families, like @BAF said, Everyone who is a fan is a part of this family. It same goes with our boys group name (JYJ). The name that only belong for Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu which sound simple but yet very deep meaning and became a remark for them to create their own new history.No one can took those name from them, the name that they made by themselves which not only contained with many scar,hurt, sad moment but also a happiness, proudness, relieved feeling inside of it.
please do comment and check my video! i put effort unto this
Make me warm and fuzzy~~ Thank you ^^
@gigikusakit
^___________^ That was beautiful. Thank you for making this. Watching JYJ smile & laugh always makes me smile & laugh too. *goes to re-watch it*
@gigikusakit
What a delightful video you made! I’ve watched it several times now and commented on the YT one too. Thanks so much for making it.
Thank you with a bow.
KAPCF. Korean Arts and Pop Culture Federation. Are the only ones who can lift the ban on JYJ. KAPCF are the ones who put the ban on JYJ even in Japan. I-fans should try WIN KAPCF favor.
Show KAPCF XIA and JYJ achievent regarding culture promotion e.g JYJ first koreans popular consert in Spain and Germany. XIA world tour first korean consert in Brazil Show KAPCF I-fans HATE SME but love JYJ. So KAPCF let go of supporting SME and rethink the ban if KAPCF have a positive view on XIA and JYJ then they will lift the ban. I-fans dont know about KAPCF importance in brodcast allowance. But they can be won over if i-fans unite like they did for C-jes pition. But must talk in right direction deplomacy only works with KAPCF NO BASHING. Could u transfer the importance of addressing KAPC . This is for all our stars not just one of them so this is important all understand importance of KAPC. KAPC are stronger than SME now they favor SME help make KAPC favor JYJ. IN TURKY KAPC ASKED TURKY FANS about JYJ unfortunately Turky fans did not know who was asking them and why. The man wanted to assess JYJ the fans never showed their deep desire to see JYJ e.g. They told him they loved korean dramas etc it
was more about korea than JYJ. They had a big chance to effect KAPCF in the right way but
ignorance made the chance at a loss. KOREAN ARTS AND POP CULTURE FEDERATION
dont forget if u really care to see Jaejoong treated fairly in music industry in korea and japan on TV. Do u care about his TV appearance? KAPCF is XIA AND JYJ solution.
KFPCAI is the solution? And where exactly did you get this idea? Please enlighten me. You expect people to believe that this likely nonexistent and completely shady association that has no governmental or legal power will somehow lift the ban that SME and cronies (INCLUDING KFPCAI and KEPA itself) put in place? Are you OK in the head?
Yes! I sound *so* unnecessarily aggresive because I’m tired of uninformed people coming here and sharing their brilliant solutions. SME and its precious “federation” have done everything in their power to keep JYJ from TV and the airwaves BECAUSE they don’t respect the law. A Korean court (having judicial power in the Republic of Korea) was not enough when the contract issue was dismissed. Do you remember that? SME claimed that JYJ had an illegal double contract with them and CJeS which violated their exclusive contract under DBSK. They asked the courts to nullify this so-called second contract only to be dismissed because JYJ did not have an exclusive contract with CJeS and therefore there was no justification for this banning. CJeS was hired by JYJ to do managerial activities and nothing else. Do you remember how all the fans and activists were waiting for KFPCAI’s respose? Funny how they never got back on that.
KFPCAI never replied and this is no government issued federation. In fact if you remember the letters KFPCAI sent were used as evidence that SME was interfering with JYJ’s activities and they were fined by the FTC. They had no authority to send letters to the major broadcasters asking them to ban JYJ. Same like SME but that didn’t stop them now did it? So if this group of businessmen who are in it for the interests of companies like SME are hiding under a so called “federation” and they bend to the will of SME using the most asinine of excuses what makes you think that the opinions of some fans in Turkey is going to change things? Also, KFPCAI banned JYJ in Japan?
Does that make sense to you? That a group of businessmen who dip their tentacles into the Korean entertainment industry would somehow have the power to tell the broadcasters and entertainment agencies of Japan what to do? That was Avex not KFPCAI. Stop misinforming people. You may think I’m rude or overreacting but I don’t think so. For every damaging or misleading post people put up there are repercussions. If you really want to help JYJ and Xiah then do some research first.
These are some links were you can read about KFPCAI’s wonderful and flawless logic about how they are not on SME’s side but they are because JYJ are going to hurt the idol industry. Read it for laughs. These articles are over a year old just to give you a perspective on how things haven’t changed.
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/10/kfpcai-send-out-official-letters-of-request-to-broadcasting-stations-to-prevent-jyjs-tv-promotions
http://jyj3.net/2011/12/22/news-111222-korean-fair-trade-commission-finds-sm-entertainment-guilty-of-interfering-with-jyjs-korean-activities/
http://jyj3.net/2011/06/13/news-member-of-parliament-demands-that-the-fair-trade-commission-investigate-the-illegality-of-kfpcais-letters-to-ban-jyj/
I don’t know if you never bothered to read up on this or if you just “forgot” but I hope it illuminates on how naive your request is and insulting as well. JYJ fans don’t have to beg or ask nicely for these people to obey the law. If all the wonderful accomplishments done by JYJ that you listed weren’t enough to make them see what they are throwing away then I doubt a petition or “nicley-worded” letters will.
@X
“KAPCF. Korean Arts and Pop Culture Federation. Are the only ones who can lift the ban on JYJ. KAPCF are the ones who put the ban on JYJ even in Japan. I-fans should try WIN KAPCF favor.”
Actually, I was under the distinct impression that there WAS no such organization – not really. Yes, a group claiming that’s who they were surfaced just long enough to send letters warning various media outlets not to book or allow JYJ to appear. At the time, some enterprising soul on JYJFiles tried to get a business address for this elusive organization. There was none. There was no office. There was no telephone number. So unless the members of the KAPCF are invisible beings, perhaps from outer space, how can one attempt to win favor with them if they can not be reached or contacted?
@X
Do you have any contact details for KAPCF? I remember the head of this organisation comparing idols to mobile phones, so I don’t know if any appeals to the man’s seemingly non-existent better nature would work. But maybe if we stress the financial factor – how much money JYJ brings into S Korea, & that their popularity brings a lot of positive attention to the country & encourages people to visit there, might work.
The mere fact that an organization that supposedly exists, that has no known contact information AT ALL, and can impose sanctions, is dubious to say the least. If there is anyone on this board who is from SK and can provide this information it will be greatly appreciated.
Doing a search brings up NOTHING. Even going to the website for http://www.Korea.net and searching brings up nothing. This makes the entire process smell like a sewer. How does a country that wants respect in the international community, conduct itself like this?
Something tells me this is not the route to go. As far as I’m concerned, the court of public opinion is the court to appeal to. Once the decision comes down, a well organized, and well orchestrated campaign like the one that produced the petition to the court, is the way to make ourselves heard.
The international fandom, working in conjunction with all the Korean fandom pulling together in a dignified force will show how serious we are about getting fair treatment for the members of JYJ. Trying to appeal to a group of people who do not even have the decency to allow themselves to be contacted, IMHO is a waste of time.
I do feel, a plan should be in the works to “make some noise” as the saying goes. I want to see us become proactive rather than reactionary. Just my two cents.
@BAF
“Doing a search brings up NOTHING. Even going to the website for http://www.Korea.net and searching brings up nothing. This makes the entire process smell like a sewer. How does a country that wants respect in the international community, conduct itself like this? ”
Ahhh, the venerable and ever-reliable Smell Test. And I must agree, the KAPCF flunks with all limbs flailing. Only the most cynical minds, sure and certain of a foolish and easily duped SK public could have even gotten this far with something so transparently bogus. Again, the SK entertainment press is a weak and willing partner in this deception in that they reported the KAPCF’s Bullshit “findings” and their stern reprimands to the SK media, while never, any one of them, following up on WHO these people might be and what were their credentials for making these devastating assertions against JYJ other than….well… the fact that they are a cartel of the most powerful entertainment companies in SK… heh heh…. Oh, that…
And of course, hothead that I am when it comes to defending JYJ, I agree that we must be prepared to ACT on September 13. Be it a petition, be it direct assault on the media of SK, if nothing else to shame them into showing us how ineffectual they are at reporting the truth and in reporting a reasonable dissenting opinion.
@Lili
Seriously, I feel the time to get off our duffs will be the outcome of this hearing and what the court hands down. Granted we don’t have any sway in the legal arena, but if the guys get stiffed again, there is no earthly reason this fandom should standby and not voice our displeasure.
I don’t mean we have to yell like banshees or anything, far from it. There are ways to confer our message with politeness and civility. It is possible to take the high ground. It’s just a matter of coming to agreement on the ways and the message.
If we are pleasantly surprised and the desired outcome is achieved, then we should give it time and see what the response is from all the broadcast media and take it from there. Let’s see what drops down and go from there.
should be **convey** our message.
@BAF
“Seriously, I feel the time to get off our duffs will be the outcome of this hearing and what the court hands down. ”
Sounds like a plan.
this is not a new. i think it’s a very well-written article and answers some of the discussions here regarding jyj future post lawsuit. here we go: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2012/08/editorial-why-do-opinions-of-netizens.html
i’m not a good op, so anyone with “op capability”, please begin the discussion. ^^
@noiha
“this is not a new. i think it’s a very well-written article and answers some of the discussions here regarding jyj future post lawsuit. ”
OMG, I KNEW it!!!
I KNEW IT!!
I have long believed this about the K-entertainment press and now, here is the confirmation. Thank you, noiha and deep bows for posting this link. You have shown me my intuition was once again right on the money, which I deeply appreciate.
xxoo
i love netizenbuzz and now checking that site daily. haha.
anyway, in one of comment in this article they mentioned ”www.mediaus.co.kr” and i checked out the website, it\’s indeed the whole different media than those newsen mydaily etcetc. that editorial about jyj and sm posted in dedicatee also from that website. i hope that site can write more about jyj. x)
@noiha
Thank you so much, noiha for posting this info. I’ve been waiting a long time for this confirmation.
Thanks so much for this link! It’s always good to add another interesting blog to the list.
We now also have proof that C-JES is doing their job properly — they are keeping JYJ’s slot on the newsen/mydaily fluff article carousel filled.
ah, but i also think there’s more than companies’ influences on medias. a lot of these sites are depending on the ads, so posting something that made people interested and click it is also needed. i think CJES also doing their PR jobs nicely by keep updating these sites, but even if they’re not, JYJ has wide and solid fanbase who will also come to these articles — which can be another reason for these k-sites to update. same goes with T-Ara cases, while newsen and its CCM’s influence keep them in a good track, other new sites with posted various defamatory articles, only copying from what people posted on board, gaining them thousand clicks per day. i sometimes track DC Gall, and dongbang/jaejoong/pyc DC Gall are really active. you see only hundred views in top post of other DC Gall, but in JYJ’s it’s ranged from hundred to thousands. well, maybe other fansites have their fancafe hosted somewhere else, but it’s well-known that JYJ have solid and wide fanbase. well, i guess a large fanbase is also something alluring for k-sites. idk though. that’s my initial thought on k-sites (raking on views, only) and this netizenbuzz article give me another perspective.
ack so much typos. xD
- other new sites with posted various defamatory articles -> other new sites posted various defamatory articles
- hundred to thousands -> hundreds to thousand
there’re many other errors, please bear with that. lol.
i think CJES also doing their PR jobs nicely by keep updating these sites, but even if they’re not, JYJ has wide and solid fanbase who will also come to these articles — which can be another reason for these k-sites to update.
That’s a valid point and one I’m going to hang on to with both hands, because I hate to think that someone at C-JeS is coming up with some of those HORRIBLE headlines we’ve seen.
@noiha
Thanks from me too, for posting the article and the site. While I’m not surprised, it makes things much clearer. SK music journalism was suspect without any collaborative information. When one sees the hype put out there about how popular certain groups are and what they are accomplishing, you just have to wonder. Especially, as an international fan and seeing a paucity of information about kpop, at least here in the States. Who do these folks think they’re kidding?
The relationship between the companies and various outlets can be viewed as incestuous. That is gross. One thing I find interesting about this situation, is how it continues to pit companies against each other. They are all supposed to be in the same boat, but also seem to be trying to throw each other overboard.
My take away from all this is how weak it really makes these companies appear. When your product requires this kind of manipulation, what does it say about its talent, real or imagined?
This kind of nonsense is why I was so pleased at the relational associations CJeS made for the guys with all those different entities. They may not have been music associated, but being front and center for valid, well-known, influential organizations is the kind of PR that cannot be bought. When the proclamations are read, they state the guys are being chosen because of the character they represent, and bring to the table as role models. Their singng and music skills speak for themselves. For me, this is priceless PR.
@noiha
Thanks for posting the link. It’s not surprising, but it is really disheartening to have so much corruption confirmed. It also reaffirms for me just how truly brave, (& desperate), Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu were when they took that step of walking away from SM.
most of you have already knew this issue, but since we’re on this topic, here are some articles about that:
- Manipulation of music chart: http://www.gurupop.net/celebrities/sistar/17314-Manipulation-of-music-chart-rankings-stirs-up-controversy
- A netizen point out a certain group: http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/9626708.html
while not all of them “buying” charts, i think it’s a common practical, esp for those so-called “top group” like that town group, since they’re coming from a big company….
ahh thanks for link sis >_<
Ah, the chart manipulation practice. Who knew? **she says tongue in cheek** The debate rages on. The world of kpop is so intriguing, an investigating journalist’s wet dream, an honest to goodness journalist that is.
Depending on the severity or acuracy of any claims, I feel for the artists involved. These kinds of practices show how the management heads use these folks to no end. The artists have no say, no influence, no power to control their situtation. I don’t care how big or small the artist or company is. And if the companies are spending this kind of money to obtain these results, what kind of profit are they really making? They give new meaning to the concept of…spend money to make money.
The fact that JYJ is excluded to the degree that they are, is more of a blessing I think. Yeah, yeah, we all want them to top the charts and lament about them not being able to appear on the shows these charts represent. But when they do appear (on the charts), no one can accuse CJeS of having the inside track of manipulating. They are not a part of the music associations that rule the industry. How fortunate is that?