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Why isn’t there a JYJ Fan Club Name? T_T
@nara, hi, why must you feel sad? I actually don’t think that having a fanclub name is that important. Honestly, back then the first time i knew about korean idol, i kinda think the whole fanclub name, official ballon/color things are weird, up untill now. One more weird thing is about the importance of having a particular member to become the ‘leader’, i just don’t get it. No other group i knew before goes that far (since i only follow western groups before). Therefore, i actually relieved, jyj don’t bother with those weird stuffs. Theres a lot more important matters to think about. Well, thats my opinion. But, to be honest, only god and jyj knew the real reason behind. So, cheer up!!
Very true. JYJ from the begining were unique with their own way of handling things and thats what made them more mature. Now that you mention it, it does sound a bit not JYJ style :p But thats part of why we love them <3
Hi gang! What fascinating topic of discussion should we tackle this week?
Some people have said that they think this site should be solely about JYJ and that politics, religion and other such possibly controversial and divisive topics has no place here. Personally, I think this is an amazing forum for such discussions, but I was curious to see what other people felt in regards to this matter. Any opinions?
If it is relevant to JYJ or something that the members here really wanna share I don’t see why not.
@mkverse
Hello
I like reading & participating in the varied topics discussed here, even when they are divisive & things get fiery. It’s brain food! I’ve been trying to catch you for a few weeks now. Can you please contact me on mischka24@hotmail.com when you see this?
@sapphire
sent you an email!
I want to know why it is hard for people to reach their own conclusions. I’ve been angry since yesterday because I’ve been reading around and coming across the dumbest, most untrue things about JYJ. What pisses me off even more is that there are fans who want to defend but apparently they are also mostly uninformed and clueless. What good are you if you can’t logically defend yourself or JYJ from those idiots? They start giving ridiculous sermons about keeping the faith and love…..what the hell does that have to do with anything? How is that even logical when there are sites that give you facts that can shut these haters up?
Also why are there people who ask others to summarize articles for them? I can understand people whose English is still too weak but the rest? If they claim to care so much why can’t they not be lazy and read it for themselves? God!!!!
These aren’t even real questions. Some people just like being lazy and stupid. Question solved.
Lilibaiyu, thank you SO MUCH for that link. You’ve been real helpful.
@retrokim
Quite an eyeful, isn’t it? lol [here's the link again, but really... it seems to go on FOREVER] http://jyjtimeline.wordpress.com/
I’ve also had my moments of extreme frustration with people who come here and demand that we summarize the whole case so far for them. Of course, I won’t do it but I usually give them a link or 2 to do the reading for themselves. I’m confident for most of them that ends it. That’s OK by me though — JYJ doesn’t need every single fan who shows up, they just need the best and the brightest fans and by and large I think that’s what they have.
The people whose only contribution to the discussion is various catch-phrases, well, mostly I just kind of feel sorry for them. These people have been brainwashed by the SM fan club indoctrination they unwittingly underwent. SM and their management of the Cassiopeia fan club has a lot to answer for in my opinion. In manipulating young people to such an extent as to create lifelong customers they did something terrible and frankly immoral to a whole generation of fans in DBSK’s name. You can always spot them a mile away. The phrases, even the wording of them is all the same. I understand as teenagers we often want to have the feeling of belonging to a group who will befriend us but shamelessly using that fact to keep these kids buying and buying and buying… well, the more I learn about the SM ” cultural technology” that LSM created, the more shocking it all becomes.
@lilibaiyu
so that is the link….(I’m about to ask which link is it…keke) thank you… ^^
There are so many news from back then in 2009… want to read it since it seems different from The JYJ Files…I’ve only read some of it. So many websites provided coverage of JYJ struggle yet only some people acknowledge the truth.
@adorablejun333
“want to read it since it seems different from The JYJ Files…I’ve only read some of it. So many websites provided coverage of JYJ struggle yet only some people acknowledge the truth.”
Yes, you bring up a good point. It was demoralizing for me too as I’ve done my research lately, to see that the case has in fact received all kinds of press, attention, blogs, etc etc all the way along for the last 3 years. It’s been reported on and talked about near endlessly and yet there has been no change. It’s all made no difference to the SK public or to anyone else. It’s depressing.
@lilibaiyu
I get really upset. People go to that Precious dude’s website and believe everything this guy tells them. Others who only vaguely know there was a lawsuit call it a lolsuit and don’t even know that the courts ruled the contract abusive and one-sided or that it was annulled a long time ago. They think that JYJ and SME are still in court because of the contract and not because they are working out what SME owes to JYJ. And if they do know they start talking about how Yunho and Changmin stayed…..with all due respect….95% of JYJ fans don’t give a shit what Yunho or Changmin do with their lives. What does that have to do with anything? Doesn’t change the FACT that SME was wrong and that thanks to this “lolsuit” their “opparz” have better contracts to work with.
I almost want to cry. Some people laugh at the mistreatment and claim that JYJ have no rights because they are rich. They claim that JYJ are complaining but JYJ don’t do that. We KNOW they don’t do that! Some also claim that we say that we are better than other fans or that we follow Jimmie around and listen to everything she says like it is the gospel. Jimmie hasn’t commented here in months!
I also took the time to visit TrueTVXQ and what a bunch of hypocrites! Precious replied to almost every person who left a comment on the lawsuit part of the site. So how is this different?
Also he is such a try-hard. After his completely risable explanation about why he started the site he tried to sound manly, cool or something, IDK but lol.
“I listen to Metallica.”
“Oh? I also listen to metal. (Metallica!)”
The only laugh I got that day.
@retrokim
“@lilibaiyu I get really upset. People go to that Precious dude’s website and believe everything this guy tells them. ”
My feeling is that there are more than a few misguided people out there. They’re ignorant of the facts and maybe they even know it. Maybe they’re just trying to get a rise out of people. The internet, the anonymity factor – it’s a haven for kids to act out in anti-social ways and not have to answer for it. For all these reasons and a few more, you just can’t let these obviously uninformed people worry you. People with NO information or the wrong information that they purposefully spread are never going to be taken seriously for long. People who still listen to Precious and his ilk are simply living in the past. (that seems to happen a lot in the OT5 fandom.) This guy’s credibility went out the window years ago. His exclusive audience is now kids who are too young and dumb to have run across the facts of this case. The contract has been declared null and void – it’s OVER, JYJ are out. For the people who haven’t gotten the message yet – what can you do?? Keep in mind: EVENTUALLY all the facts will be so universally known, so old news in fact that these last hold-outs will have to go to a desert island and hide their heads under the sand to still avoid knowing what we know now and have known for a while now. Why? Because we were willing to do the research, do the reading and find out the truth. Don’t worry.
In other news, and speaking of the divine Jimmie, who I miss like crazy, did you see this today?
http://www.standupforjyj.com/contract-law/
Ah~ Jimmie…..she is so freaking awesome.
You are right of course. I just can’t help but wonder at this willingness to ignore the facts and listen to that lame-tard excuse of a person. I read one post where some girl said she could not wait until the courts overturned JYJ……I just couldn’t believe that she still doesn’t know that the courts passed their verdict…..for quite a while now in favor of JYJ. Does she know about FTC and the new contracts for Homin? Where does she think that came from?
This guy and Forever Stupid don’t have any relevancy but people still site them. I sometimes wonder if maybe we scare people away or something. Why is it so easy for them to believe these clowns but not us? Heck! Not even us! The freaking Seoul Central District Court and the Fair Trade Commission!!!!!
@retrokim
“Ah~ Jimmie…..she is so freaking awesome. You are right of course. I just can’t help but wonder at this willingness to ignore the facts and listen to that lame-tard excuse of a person.”
lol I like that. Forever… Wrong.
Maybe what you should do is go back to those sites and just post this link:
http://www.standupforjyj.com/contract-law/
or this one:
http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/the-decision-of-lawsuit-to-verify-invalidity-of-the-exclusive-contract-will-be-given-on-july-19/
Both contain 3 syllable words so it’s doubtful they’ll get much of a readership but heck, it can’t hurt.
@retrokim
“Maybe what you should do is go back to those sites and just post this link:”
Oh, no wait – I think this one is even better:
http://dedicatee.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/column-the-breakdown-in-mediation-of-jyj-and-sm-can-age-of-oppression-come-to-an-end/
@retrokim
What annoys me is when heaps of people ask the same question over & over in a thread, when someone has already posted an answer above them. They’ve got the time to ask the question & post it, but don’t have the courtesy to read the comments in that post to find their answer. I’m not saying you have to read the comments thread. I often skim myself when I’m busy. But if you’re asking a question in that thread, at least read the comments ahead of yours first to see it it’s already been asked & answered by someone else.
very true!
@retrokim
What you are complaining about requires people to use more than one or two brain cells. Using anything more than that causes hyperventilation. We are now living in the age of self-absorption. Folks don’t want to stretch their sphere of learning. It’s too much trouble to focus. Very sad.
Ah the referrnce to Jimmie. Just goes to show how shallow they are. Like you said, the woman hasn’t been around on a JYJ site for over a year. But just imagine the impact she had for them to continue to be obssessed with her commentaries. The whole Precious thing. This person will one day feel Lady Karma’s touch. I so look forward to that day.
@mkverse
I suppose it’s too much trouble for those who don’t like the kinds of discussions that take place here, to bother reading the purpose for this category section. But you know, if they don’t like what they see, they are free to bypass. It’s as easy as that. Quite painless if you ask me.
“Since “Open Discussion Post” is created exclusively for debate, discussion and exchange of ideas, you must not spam here with daily pictures, polls, news, spazz, unless you use the news/picture for a discussion topic. But we recommend our readers to do that in GAPP.
•You can talk about different issues related to JYJ/Kpop/Kdrama/SM/AVEX and other themes here.”
What part of this, don’t they get?
@BAF
I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!
Oh my VE Sister, LOL!!!
LMAO! Hey BAF2, I haven’t seen you in a while.
@lilibaiyu
I’ll post those puppies anywhere I can.
@retrokim
“I’ll post those puppies anywhere I can.”
lol Good plan, good plan! Stick those bad boys in a scatter gun and strafe the fandom!
It really really makes me mad when TVXQ5 forever fans use the phrase “Always Keep the Faith.” That is something between Jae, Chun and Su and I don’t understand how they are relating it to the other two. Has there been any instance of the duo wearing the phrase around their necks, tattooing the phrase on their bodies, even saying it?!! How many times do JYJ have to explain the meaning of the phrase before fans understand that it has nothing to do with wanting to reunite. Personally I love the phrase, I love the meaning and the intent behind it and I want to take it back from these “Always Five” fans that are misusing it. It just upsets me to see people so stubbornly clinging to a dream that they would deliberately misrepresent something that is so obviously important and meaningful to JYJ. Ok, that’s my rant for the day, I’ll try to be a more forgiving person tomorrow.
What is worse to me is when JYJ antis use it to mock JYJ or to insinuate that they are “leeching” off Homin. Being a JYJ fan is frustrating because I see so many people just lie, shamelessly lie, about JYJ. Homin have nothing to do with this and now Homin stans actually think that it is JYJ’s attempt at riding off TVXQ!
……………………………….always five fans can also jump off the Grand Canyon……………………………….if you go around supporting SME then with what face can you say that you support JYJ as well? The fact that this hasn’t dawned on some of them is just fascinating.
@mkverse
“It really really makes me mad when TVXQ5 forever fans use the phrase “Always Keep the Faith.” ”
You used an interesting phrase: deliberate misrepresentation. This is what continues to amaze me. In this fandom, somehow it has become OK to lie to “support your oppas.” How and when and at whose behest did this happen? This is a shameful practice and there’s no possible excuse for it.
My belief is that the SM-sponsored Cassiopaea fanclub grabbed ahold of it, claimed it as one of their catch-phrases and ran with it. They relabeled it (as is so typical of SM sponsored situations) and turned it into something entirely different from its original and true meaning. Then they said it over and over and over and over to each other until – the meaning magically became “Always The Five.”
Of course, now that we know the actual terms of DBSK’s contract we see that reinforcing the continued compliance of the 5 members even in the face of the fact that the more successful they became the more impossible it would be for them to ever be able to leave before the full 13 years was up, well… now at least we see SM’s rationale.
But again: don’t worry. We know the truth and it is the truth. That will always trump deliberate misrepresentation. Let’s trust timeless wisdom here. These people who say these things will never win in the end.
@mkverse
“It really really makes me mad when TVXQ5 forever fans use the phrase “Always Keep the Faith.” That is something between Jae, Chun and Su and I don’t understand how they are relating it to the other two.”
What I’ve always tried to keep in mind, the manipulation factor as used by the management companies…SME…in particular. There is a mindset that absorbs this manipulation and once that has occurred, complete rational thinking or critical thinking goes out the window. This sense of ownership of the idols makes them not in sync. Early on, when the s**t hit the fan, and the lawsuit became a reality, the phrase was put front and center as a means to hold it together. Actually, I can’t fault them too much. This whole fandom creation thing in Asia, the way it is structured, makes no sense to me. So much of this stuff is hold over mentality. I’m learning to make allowances because I understand how they have been manipulated and that is a hard thing to shake off. Keep in mind this is like the Stockholm Syndrome.
@retrokim
“What is worse to me is when JYJ antis use it to mock JYJ or to insinuate that they are “leeching” off Homin.”
My friend, same thing applies…The Stockholm Syndrome. Mindlessness where there should be some critical thinking, the very least self-awareness. Practically nonexistent. They really can’t wrap themselves around the history of the group and who were the mainstays in the group. I’ll bet most of these folks are part of the ‘new wave of Cassies’. How much do you want to bet the maturity factor skews the bell curve? Besides, as time marches on, we’ll see who has LONGEVITY in the music industry and who doesn’t. Any bets?
@BAF
” What I’ve always tried to keep in mind, the manipulation factor as used by the management companies…SME…in particular. There is a mindset that absorbs this manipulation and once that has occurred, complete rational thinking or critical thinking goes out the window. ”
Oh, you are SOOOO right. Rational thinking becomes a thing of the past. Please, my ladies and gentlemen of JYJ3, take a look at this tweet, sent by one of the leaders of the YJS movement in Indonesia. THIS is what they have planned for Jaejoong’s fanmeeting.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jpecp2
fufufu it’s just another curious me… (pardon if it’s not quite a topic T.T)
I notice it’s rather hard to see JYJ or any idol in general in S.Korea openly admit that they are dating someone…reading recent saesang controversy made me realize that these fans actually being possessive towards their idol, in delusional mode that their ‘oppa’ doesn’t have a girlfriend (in our right mind they must be dating secretly at least). but idol n his company seems to avoid revealing any kind of opposite gender relationship (even call it as scandal)…when actually this kind of thing can open overly-possessive fans’ eyes to see that their idol is also a human…he falls in love, dating n even break up. Knowing that their oppa is forever single n be how they want him to be might cause all of that attention-seeking accidents, right?
It’s not only that, some fan-fiction maniacs also see their idol as gay..just because they aren’t seen with any girl…
ooohhh I forgot to include the question…don’t u think declaring a girl they love would lessen the number of crazy-immature fans?
I mean they will go together everywhere (picking up each other, go shopping, etc) n it’ll be awkward/uncomfortable to stalk a lovey-dovey couple… keke… it’s because the idol is alone that the fans will try do anything to get their attention. If he belongs to someone else they will just need to appreciate/support his works n stay away from his private life…
Or is it true that the idol is being careful not to break thousands of fangirls’ hearts? Instead of thinking about that I’d like it if they lead a normal n happy life without concerning such sasaeng problems… T.T
I have to say this is one thing that really annoys me about JYJ. They really have nothing left to lose so why don’t they go for it? Why don’t all idols just go for it? Deluded fans can go jump off the Grand Canyon. Who needs people like those?This is one thing I just can’t get on board with. Why even complain about being lonely if you don’t start looking around?
I would like to think that the Korean JYJ fans are cool about this and have left that SME mentality in the past.
@retrokim
“I have to say this is one thing that really annoys me about JYJ. They really have nothing left to lose so why don’t they go for it?”
Yes, I tend to agree with you here. They do still seem to cling to certain remnants of the old SM playbook on “How To Create A Lifelong Fan.” It’s barbaric, if you ask me, completely ridiculous if they’re straight men and why they continue on with it – well, what could it be? Out of sheer habit? Out of fear of losing droves of fans? Are they saying they accept the fact that a large contingent of their fanbase is delusional?? They only possible logical explanation for me has simply been that they realize what any girl they name as their girlfriend would have to endure at the hands of these fans. It wouldn’t be pretty and might possibly even be dangerous. Why would they even want to subject anyone they love to being pelted with epithets or worse anytime they were out together?
I personally continue to be disheartened by Jaejoong; he is obviously heartbreakingly mortified in public by the YJ people and yet he will say no single word to put these people wise as to how he feels about it all and about their continued harassment. It’s the same thing. WHY won’t he do it??
@lilibaiyu
“he is obviously heartbreakingly mortified in public by the YJ people and yet he will say no single word to put these people wise as to how he feels about it all and about their continued harassment. It’s the same thing. WHY won’t he do it??”
I thought i was the only one to think this way. Yes i wish he would come right out and tell those crazies to their faces that enough is enough. These people don’t take hints! I admired how he spoke out against the saesang taxis on twitter, so i can’t see why he’s holding back on the YJ nonsense cos i actually equate them with saesang behavior. It’s frustrating..
@lilibaiyu
That only possible explanation still seems a bit illogical….I mean the women they choose should be a mature n wise ones right? it’s not like they can’t protect themselves (they even can hire a bodyguard for that,,,,keke). What other people say is not so important when they are happy…in the end they(fans) just have to accept the idol decision.
Oooohhhh I’m also curios about JJ’s silence regarding YJ… he might be thinking that silence is the best to ignore those maniac-fans…but then again, the officail gf could shut these-not-so-polite-fans I think….
Could it be related to their culture? that they don’t need to reveal their gf n just do it if they are getting married?
Why won’t he do it? I think the reason is simple, if he mentions just Y’s name, or a spec of dust that comes from SM… the fans of both parties will be in an uproar… The fan wars will be as deadly as ever, and articles will be scattered around everywhere!
It is true that having the truth out there will stop fans from assuming what ever they want as facts..However, I personally think that just addressing the YJ issue officially is really humiliating for JJ.. How can he just state it publicly, plus is it really any of our business?
Back in the days, I never liked fans making up all these couples in the group.. I never believed in them, or I just didn’t want to.. However, I always leave a little room for doubt, to avoid shock once the truth is revealed. One can never be always too sure about his opinions..
@retrokim
Exactly… n there’s nothing wrong with dating publicly..even if the girl is not a celeb. It’s just that they claim to be single…that’s what the fans buy n they stalk them everywhere(salon, restaurant, etc)…
Why don’t they being honest to themselves? I think even the girls they date secretly might be thinking that she isn’t good enough to be announced as their gf…
Celebrities worldwide enjoys dating n private life but it’s just idols in S.Korea…is it indeed company/SM’s brainwash? this way they are treated like they belongs to fans only…no other women can be with them….well, that’s make me sad… TT
This really isn’t directed only at retrokim, but to all those above who were commenting about the shipping.
Jaejoong in his own way, he has been letting it known he doesn’t like it. Okay, at first he didn’t address it. Maybe he didn’t think some fans were that delusional…..ermm I mean passionate about it. But with each fan meeting he participates in, the more it becomes obvious he doesn’t like it. He went from ignoring it, to banning posters, now its even shirts. I wouldn’t be surprised, if he had his people remove anyone who yells those things at him in the future.
I do think that if they managed to become very successfull with one of their album(despite the blocking), that he would feel more free to tell those fans to knock it off. I think I’d rather see him mention it on twitter or even say it at a fan meeting. Than to see him have to address this issue at a press confrerence. Like he had to do with JS and YC about those stalkers.
If he, Junsu and Yuchun continue to pursue the english market, Jaejoong is going to be forced to address this issue sooner or later. The western media has no qualms about asking these questions.
I swear…. from the day I stumbled into k-pop, to the present day, I will be forever confused with the whole shipping culture. Its just weird. And they have the nerve to get upset when you assume the members are gay. If you have two members of the same gender photoshoped in a picture to look like they are in an intimate relationship what am I suppose to think!!?!!
As for just revealing who they are going out with. idk, I’m torn over this issue. With the way some fans are this could be very difficult on their love one. What if they break up, some people just refuse to let them move on. Look at our western celebrites. People are still talking about aniston/pitt(how long have they been divorced). Or “bennifer”(both got married and had kids with other people). Yet, people continue to talk about these relationships.
Just playing devil’s advocate here. It’s not just idols who subscribe to this, a majority of people in the entertainment industry practice this kind of protection to their privacy. Even just a few years ago, actors would be married for years and it wouldn’t come out until much later that they were married. Part of this I think is due to the desire to protect the other person, especially when it’s just dating. It seems fans can recognize and accept marriage a lot better than just having a girlfriend or boyfriend. Part of it is also cultural, while everyone likes to have a significant other in their lives, Koreans in particular do not like talking about it with people that are not close friends and family, let alone the media and the rest of the world. Take for instance, my BF and I were working for the same company, we’d been together for years and our bosses knew about our relationship prior to being hired. However my coworkers did not know, I asked my BF not to discuss our relationship and it took me three years at the company before letting one of my good coworkers friends know about our relationship. That’s just how I am, I’m extremely private, I don’t like the thought of someone gossiping about me or my relationship. Now imagine your famous and having to read on Twitter comments about your relationship or reading it in the headlines…”Star A out on group date with GF, seems closer to Female Star B” or “Star A out drinking with friends, where is GF?” I wouldn’t want to live like that and I’d feel very sorry towards my significant other that not only is my life under a microscope, but suddenly so are they.
@mkverse
I see, it’s true then that it’s related to their culture…cause I can’t seem to recall any S.Korea idols who dates openly… (Ahh the only dating S.Korea celeb I know was Lee dong gun n han ji hye…keke I love their drama n movie My Boyfriend is B-blood type…n they were happy to acknowledge it…)
I understand there r people who like to keep the relationship to themselves, but I’d like them to at least say that they are in a relationship..without naming her…cause it will also hurt their significant other if they say that they r single….
ugh I just read JJ fanmeet account n this is one of the reason he should just dating openly n let those shipper cry a river to witness his happiness with the woman he loves…
I think the saesengs probably have a lot to do with it. The members of JYJ hate saesengs with a passion & I doubt they would want to inflict them on anyone, least of all their girlfriends. JYJ’s bodyguards can’t protect JYJ from the saesengs who even physically assault them, the people they say they love, so imagine how crazy they might be with regards to the guys GF’s. You say the GF’s could hire bodyguards, but as I said, the bodyguards can’t even completely protect JYJ, & if they aren’t famous, but normal girls with normal jobs, imagine how embarrassing & inconvenient, not to mention frightening, it would be to be followed by bodyguards & crazy saesengs not knowing what they might do to you. Look at all the seriously creepy sh*t these peeps do to their idols. Imagine how much more dangerous they could be if they got face to face with a girl their idol loves who isn’t them?? It also seems to be a cultural thing as well. & on top of that, many managers of “heart-throbs” often tell them not to reveal if they have a GF because it destroys many fans fantasies of being with their idol & they could lose fans. Which isn’t as crazy as it sounds. Some idol whose name I can’t remember, lost two thirds of his fanbase when he revealed he had a long time GF. & it’s not like JYJ are in a position where they could afford to lose huge numbers of fans. Jaejoong said recently that about 50% of his fandom wish he had a girlfriend, even if it made them sad, but that 50% would hate to see him with anyone. We all know how much Jaejoong loves his fans, & in the same interview he said he might reveal if he has a GF when he’s in his thirties, but not now when he’s in his twenties. We can theorize all we like, but the fact is none of us live in that extremely small goldfish bowl of fame that JYJ have to exist in, where every single thing they say & do is watched & analysed, & usually filmed & uploaded by the hordes of crazy stalkers that follow them all the time, where they are the epitome of worship & fantasy for so many people who make constant demands on them, where they live in a culture & environment that has very strict norms of etiquette & behavior. In short, the members of JYJ live in a pressure cooker where even the fans who say they love them can & do turn on them in a heartbeat. What we perceive would be beneficial for them could in reality just cause heart ache, & perhaps even danger, for the women they love.
@Sapphire
wow….thank u for the detailed information…^^ you are right, all of that are the worst case that will happen if they reveal the gf.
Well it is indeed their own lives, we can do nothing unless we could walk in their shoes….but it’s just a curious me becuz of the majority of S.Korea idols don’t reveal their gf while hollywood (n bollywood…keke ) seems to be openly dating (even only after being caught by paparazzi) n they are cool about it. They don’t have sasaeng I suppose….aaahhh,,,poor JYJ… it does seem that they enjoy working n building friendships rather than openly acquire their own happiness….they also got so many problems that celeb shouldn’t have….sometimes I’m in disbelief that good people like JYJ receives so many hardship even from their own fans…when they do nothing wrong…I just wish them happiness ^^
Hello, JYJ fans!
I don’t mean to spam. I just wanted to get the word out.
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Omg….I was reading the “Rolling Stones” magazine this morning and someone reviewed G-Dragon’s “Crayon”.
It was more of a description than a review. 3 out of 5 stars.
Psy’s “Gangnam Style” is the second most downloaded song from iTunes this month. Good for them!
Really want to properly thanking @noiha whom on last week’s ODP posted these links of articles about Japanese Idol Industry. I’m surprised that actually the same pattern is happening also in Japan. All this time I‘ve been thinking that Japan’s condition is probably better than in Korea, but apparently, it’s not. For those of you guys who haven’t known yet, I recommend you to read them, yeah slowly since there were 4 parts of it, including read all the comments surely will take a few days, but it’s worth. Going to make a confession here, that this was actually the first article that comprehensively wrapped up the situation regarding idol-entertainer I’ve ever read. Although I knew about JYJ’s case, the thing is, I haven’t found one comprehensive analysis about the idol-industry in Korea. So this article really helps me portray clearer understanding, since the condition is very much alike within Korea. I guess the one must have initiated the other in both neighbor countries.
http://neojaponisme.com/2011/07/26/the-jimusho-system-part-one/
http://neojaponisme.com/2010/06/29/the-jimusho-system-part-two/
http://neojaponisme.com/2011/05/23/the-jimusho-system-part-three/
http://neojaponisme.com/2011/07/26/the-jimusho-system-part-four/
There’s one point I’d like to discuss here. The article (part three) pointed out that one of the three main reasons why management company is so powerful is because management company OWNS THE SONG’S MASTER RIGHTS AND PUBLISHING RIGHTS. Regardless whoever wrote the original song’s compositions, those exclusive rights given to the company will rake all the significant main source of recording revenue, album’s sales revenue, even subsidiary revenue to the company. While the idol is just given a set of monthly salary, and I don’t even know what would the composer gets.
What I want to discuss here is, in the spirit of fairness and faithfulness, to whom do you guys think about the song’s/music’s copyright should belongs to? I also would like to know if any of us knows about the music industry, how does the actual song’s copyright is practically being conducted in other countries (aside from Japan and Korea)? Last, I must search for further information about this matter, but have JYJ secured their master rights and distribution rights over their own song’s productions under their own name (or collectively JYJ)? Does it go to other party or probably go to A&G Modes (as the distribution company in case of In Heaven album)? Answer is very much appreciated, as I’m so curious about this issue.
In the U.S. the copyright usually belongs to the creator of the intellectual property. The creator can assign that copyright over to whomever (management copy, record label, other artist, etc…) though contract. This happens a lot actually all over the world. Usually the masters (physical recordings) are owned by the record label. Publishing is very complicated subject, but usually an artist assigns publishing rights to a publishing company and are paid royalities from them or not depending on the contract.
The complexies are that in the music industry it is pretty standard for all of these “rights” to be assigned to the record company or the management company (in the case of Kpop) due to the inbalances of power during contract negotiations. To be honest, artists rarely have any bargining position when they are starting off unless the have some sort of strong fanbase already, but it is pretty standard in the industry for management companies and labels to offer “advances” to artists, which artists ultimately have to pay back, to get around giving up rights.
With the decline of record sells, companies and management firms are now demanding a cut of all income that artists bring in. Traditionally, artists kept income from endorsements, concerts, paid performances, in the case they held on to copyright/publishing rights royalites from that.
How I see it? Well, you have to remember that the record company/management company are taking a HUGE gamble on every artist they invest in. So there is this notion that there should be some sort risk transferred over to the artist for all the marketing/recording time and other out of pocket expenses the record company expends. Also, I think there is some naivete on the part of some artists (i.e. not having a crediable lawyer present/ family members signing over rights for underage children) regarding exactly how you make money in the record industry.
What I find immoral is after an artist has produced for a company and the record company does not reciprocate the appreciation regarding contract renegotations. I also have issues with the length of recording contracts. If you haven’t made it BIG in 15 years, chances are you won’t. So greed comes in and it is just a clusterfuck all around.
Don’t know if I answered your question or not.
I’m beginning to get really frustrated with YJ shippers. It is like some sort of “fan” support project being carried out during this tour. I mean there are a lot of shippers in this community whether they be Jaechun, Yoosu, Jaesu, whatever. But I haven’t seen an instance, at a SOLO fanmeeting, where people have HUGE lighted signs/posters/shirts/banners shipping a couple that aren’t a) apart of the same company, b) are in the midst of a pretty long and played out court battle between JYJ and the other company and finally at c) a SOLO fan event.
I really became upset at screams of “YJ” during an ballad that is already filled with beauty and emotion. Then acting like it is some sort of right to ruin the atmosphere for the other fans in attendance. There’s a time and a place for chants and screams– during a ballad is not one of them.
I really don’t want a fanwar to explode, and I am glad that CJes and promoters have been proactive at the Thai fan event.
Also, I realize this is a sensitive issue, and I hope that we JYJ fans can stay united through all of this.
@warlesha21
My own feeling is that C-jeS has to get much much tougher about restrictions of these people and their banners, etc. If they show up with them, they don’t get in, ticket or not. They forfeit the right to any refund. If they somehow slip past the door check and are seen in the hall with them, they get thrown out.
And as I’ve said many times I really think Jaejoong needs to speak out about this. I’m not sure how much things will ever change until he does so.
@warlesha21
“It is like some sort of “fan” support project being carried out during this tour.”
That’s exactly what it is. YJ shippers have their own fanclubs & sites, & they do organise huge displays like this, even going so far as to buy out block groups of seating so they can sit enmasse to make themselves & their banners & posters more visible to Jaejoong.
“I really became upset at screams of “YJ” during an ballad that is already filled with beauty and emotion. Then acting like it is some sort of right to ruin the atmosphere for the other fans in attendance. There’s a time and a place for chants and screams– during a ballad is not one of them.”
The obnoxious YJ stans who behave this way are a group of people who are categorized by their total selfishness & complete lack of respect, sensitivity & consideration for Jaejoong himself. Imposing their beliefs & fantasies on Jaejoong is the norm for them. Of course they aren’t going to give a damn about the rest of his fans & whether they are ruining a FM for them, or even for Jaejoong himself. Many of them are blissfully happy if Jaejoong looks close to tears when they bombard him this way, because they take it to mean he is touched by their support for his supposed relationship with YJ, touched that they & they alone are “keeping the faith”, or because they believe it proves that he is missing Y & wants to be with him. Sadly, because of their ability to twist everything until they’ve convinced themselves that it means what they want it to believe, many of them aren’t happy unless they see Jaejoong react to them in some way, even if it’s negatively & it’s obvious that he is upset by them. They believe in a relationship that never existed, they feed that belief today with photoshop, fanfics & fan sites where they all re-inforce each others beliefs & opinions, & they deliberately, repeatedly & calculatedly attempt to forcibly impose their fantasies onto Jaejoong & his fans the JYJ fandom. In short, they don’t care who they hurt, even Jaejoong himself, as long as they can continue to believe in & live in their fantasy world.
Thank you Sapphire for explaining this more throughly.
You know what? That is really unfortunate, and like you said, very selfish on their part. I don’t get why seeing Jaejoong cry/be hurt/ get upset is something you would want to celebrate or revel in? I don’t know maybe I am dense. While, I am effected by the range of emotions that Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu can show, I in no way would I want to be the “cause” of painful or sad emotions.
I think some of these fans take for granted the opportunities and access they have to see those 3 men and come with their own agendas. Which is infuriating, especially as an I-fan, who would love to attend a fan meeting and play games. (:P speaking of agendas)All this silliness over colors, red or green? Seriously?! Do both! It would probably make Jaejoong happier to see that you are reconizing him as both a member of a JYJ/OT5 and as a solo artist/actor.
I feel like there is growing number of “fans”, and maybe I just ignored it until recently, that just want to fight or cause a ruckus. I was marveling at what an exceptionally positive and sucessful summer JYJ had, and was looking forward to all their upcoming activities in the fall/winter. Then I get on the web and see/read accounts about stuff like this. I am positively appalled by the audacity people had to hang huge pronographic banners and signs in a public place. Like WTF?
@warlesha21
“Then I get on the web and see/read accounts about stuff like this. I am positively appalled by the audacity people had to hang huge pronographic banners and signs in a public place. Like WTF?”
I KNOW!! It’s really a bizarre situation. When I first started hearing about these people and what they do to Jaejoong, I just thought, “Well, this is a clear case of public sexual harassment. So – there’s gotta be a law against that, right?” And well, no not exactly, as I found out. The right to privacy has not been a traditionally embraced concept. Only recently as SK moves from a long-standing collectivist society to a more modern society concerned with the rights of the individual are things beginning to change. (Ditto the problem with sasaengs. There really aren’t any laws on the books to deal with them.)
I agree that JJ should address this. One of the very few complaints I have about the members is that they are unclear in these situations. Then a huge fandom war happens, and someone close to them clarifies. (For example, Junsu could have clarified twitter gate 2011, but didn’t).
I also feel like it is kind of no-win situation for him. JJ’s always tried to, you know not forget about pre-split Cassies (which he shouldn’t by any means at all) and many of them were/are YJ shippers. I don’t want to lessen the YJ shippers enjoyment either. I just wish they would pick a more appropriate manner to show their affections for YJ and show a little sensitivity as well not only to JJ (who must feel pretty hurtful about consistently being reminded about a friendship he may or may not have any longer), but to other fans as well.
The problem is that JJ shipped a LOT during the TVXQ period with YJ and it is apart of perhaps his celebrity persona at this point. Not to mention this “couple” took on a life of its own inside and outside the fandom. So I can see how it is difficult to come out and say, “Stop it. We are no longer in a relationship,” or whatever you say to end these type of relationships. On the other hand, he may love it. I can’t read JJ’s expressions as well as some of the other fans can, so its hard for me to say.
So apart of me is like, what do you do? But I agree, with the consequences thing. Like if you get caught, GTFO, or have your stuff taken away and you can get it at the end of the fanmeeting.
@warlesha21
” The problem is that JJ shipped a LOT during the TVXQ period with YJ and it is apart of perhaps his celebrity persona at this point. Not to mention this “couple” took on a life of its own inside and outside the fandom. ”
Well, needless to say, this behavior was one of the mandated (no pun intended) activities that SM demanded of them as part of the fan service that even today still regularly goes on vis-a-vis SM acts as well as many other male K-Pop groups. This was not optional or, heaven knows, personally decided upon activity. This was quite pointedly part of the job. And now it no longer is “part of the job.” But as the designated “pretty one” of the group Jaejoong got the worst of it for the longest time.
I understand that as you said none of the members really want to be seen dissing a part of the fandom. What I don’t get is how these people justify this kind of pushy rude behavior. Anyway, I’ve had it from a reliable source that Jae loathes YJ being screamed at him at every public gathering. Everybody saw his face in the video when he was trying to sing yesterday – it wasn’t a happy face. If I thought for one moment Jaejoong didn’t mind these crazy people shouting at him and waving banners at him everywhere he goes I would never say another word about it.
lilibaiyu thanks for elaborating on Jaejoong’s feelings. Yeah, JJ didn’t look happy, but I thought it was because the song was emotional.
I knew that shipping was/is mandated by SM and other companies, but I am also trying to be culturally sensitive and respectful of k-pop norms in general. Hell, there is fair amount of bromancing going on all over the world. I guess I am not used to it to the extent that I see from Korean idol groups.
I don’t mind the shipping. There is so much sexual/senusal tension to begin with. Add in a healthy dose of male and female hormones, at least at the concerts and fan meetings, and somethings got to give. I just feel like the YJ shippers never returned from Never, Neverland and have crossed a line.
I am thoroughly confused and a bit at a lost by this rumor that is spreading amongst the Japanese JYJ fans. It seems the international fans know nothing of this. I am not going to imply or insert my own opinion regarding this rumor, nor am I bashing any individual, I am simply curious to know whether anyone has heard of this, and perhaps know whether it is true or not (with respectable evidence, thank you very much).
It seems TVXQ2 (or Homin) filmed a show on KBS, though I don’t know which show in particular (my guess is the recent one, “Hello”). During the filming (of course, before the actual editing and broadcast) it is to be given that the fans who attended were all TVXQ2 fans. The fans who were actually there wrote in their fan-account/social website account that Changmin has stated that the contract they signed before is valid, because the members and the parents themselves were present and a contract signed in that manner is
never invalid.This is just me summarizing it according to how I heard it, I don’t know the exact words so I can’t quote, but the main
point is that he claimed the contract is valid. Hearing this, even the MC was at a lost to what to say, because it is common knowledge to bystanders of the JYJ-SM issue that the court has clearly pointed out the invalidity of the contract. The fans reacted differently. They believed him, and proudly wrote what Changmin said on their accounts in an attempt to shove it into people’s face. However, because the claim/statement was obviously too extreme and wrong, the part was cut off from broadcast.
I don’t know if all or half or none about this is true, but a person I know who is a JYJ-only fan and a Japanese fan says that her circle of Japanese JYJ fans are talking about it. She wonders if it might be true because the source is from a fan who actually attended the set, but who knows, it could have been an anti-fan or someone who wants to spread rumours. I really want clarification on this, because that is a serious claim and also concerns JYJ. Although I’m a JYJ fan, I follow S.M artists as well because I feel this sense to protect them from anything related to SM, including their artists.
My answer may annoy you but here goes.
This is a rumor ok? So in this hypothetical rumor world where the events you described happened one could safely conclude that Changmin is simply an idiot running his mouth. Seriously….Mommy and Daddy were there so this contract is valid forever and ever and EVER!!!! YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!” LOL……..NO.
However that is “hypothetical world”. In the real world Changmin’s “supposed” statement would be taken as delusional SME feed for the very clear reason that you mentioned earlier: The Seoul Central District Court ruled their original contract invalid and no amount of scrunching your face and throwing a temper tantrum is going to change that. So if these fans are applauding this it may mean one or two things. 1, They want JYJ to return (very doubtful) or 2. This was a “subtle” insult hurled at JYJ and their fans were happy for it (very likely).
It (supposedly) wasn’t broadcast because it was too extreme to air then I’m guessing that it means that Changmin got a good talking to from the higher ups to not bring that up again. If this did indeed happen then Changmin will seize speaking about this issue and these fans who claim this happened will only have their memories and each other for proof….that hardly inspires much confidence in me. I’m also guessing that these JYJ friends of yours are maybe a little OT5 if they are following Homin fans and reading this stuff assuming that this information was posted amongst Homin fans only…..I don’t know if they posted this in a site where anyone can find it and not just Homin fans. But yeah if it is just a rumor then it is unlikely to mean anything more.
Now you may say…”retrokim! don’t be a naive idiot! some rumors tend to have some truth in them.”
True…….but then the bigger question would be……Who cares if this is true?
Changmin’s statement won’t change reality. Won’t change the hostile feelings some Homin fans may feel for JYJ, won’t make JYJ come back to SME, won’t change the courts verdict that passed years (has it been years already?!) ago. It won’t make much difference to JYJ fans either. If anything this may make thing worse because that is a provoking statement to make. What is implied from this? JYJ broke an unbreakable, always-valid contract? So if this turns up to be true then it will be yet another insult from Voldigoose….wow….ground breaking stuff.
My guess is that those people are having fun at the expense of others spreading these unfounded rumors and that no such event took place. I don’t like Changmin but I also don’t think he is *too* stupid.
Your answer isn’t annoying at all. In fact, I was expecting that sort of answer and I thank you for that. Please read my reply to @lilibaiyu, that’s the whole story. Some rumors do tend to have some truth in them, but I guess some JYJ fans are taking it a bit too seriously. If it was true anyway, it does not do much harm since most rational people would know immediately that it’s another defamation act and a direct shot at JYJ. It’s also a dumb act because it would be a direct blow towards Changmin and S.M alike. Yes, I told my friend the same thing regarding the sort of impression I get from Changmin. I don’t think he’s that mentally ill to have to mention or state something like that, but my friend took my remark as “defending him”. *scoffs* Thank you anyway, I hope my friend gets it once she reads your comment. But once I hear a not-so-good rumor about S.M, it still leaves me unsettled especially when I (and a lot of JYJ fans) bear a deep hatred towards them as long as they don’t leave JYJ alone. As much as I hate myself for trying to find more reasons to hate the company and it’s artists, I can’t help it.
Ah…..I think I understand now. Your friend probably still harbors some resentment towards these two and so when she hears of things like this it may seem like an opportunity to rant and blow off some steam. I hope your friend can see that the problems facing JYJ are far bigger than Homin. If only I could get a hold of some dirt on SME’s chairman and CEO….I’ll be one happy gal.
@lilymichaelis
Isn’t it all a bit of a moot point? I mean – who cares about this and why? You’re right, the court has already ruled on the contract being invalid. That’s history, that’s not gonna change. Most everybody here is pretty aware that CM has become one of SM’s chief apologists, regularly saying things like Lee Soo Man is his role model. I can’t even begin to imagine the bad craziness that roils around in the heads of these two these days but they must be dancing as fast as they can to keep from thinking about their reality. I’d say your best bet is to ignore the whole thing. If it really even happened, it was just CM trying to justify the righteousness of his decision again, he’s done it before and this is just another one of those times.
Thank you for replying. The thing is, the Japanese JYJ fan I’m talking about might as well be convinced that the rumour is true, and keeps telling me about it. However, I told her off (maybe a bit too harshly) that the rumour could be false and that we should not become akin to TVXQ2 fans who gobble up rumors of JYJ. I suppose she took it wrongly, accusing that I’m actually defending those two *shudders* perhaps because I was not angry or suspicious enough of this matter. Since she keeps pressing on about it, I thought of getting opinions of others to convince her not to dwell on it and so…I made the post. Yes, even if the rumour is true, it does not do much damage to JYJ, in fact, it does the opposite. It might as well finalize to delusional people that SM artists are indeed SM’s puppets/ loyal to the maliciousness that is their company.
BTW, I am a big fan of your comments and know you as a great JYJ fan. It’s an honor to receive a reply from you:-)
@lilymichaelis
Well, after reading your last 2 posts, now I’M a fan of YOURS!
My take is that, well first of all. I’m no fan of Homin’s and that needs to be admitted right up front. Now that I understand the elaborate lengths the rest of the original five went through to take a stand to keep YH as a part of the group when SM was threatening to replace him, the way he and CM have behaved has been pretty shoddy. I know they have been hiding behind various rationales that their SM handlers have probably been feeding them, like “loyalty”, like “a contract is a contract”, like “We didn’t know anything about it!” etc etc but anyone with half an unbrainwashed brain and a little common sense can smell their deception a mile away.
It’s a funny thing about that “contract is a contract” one, btw. Much has been made about YH’s father being a lawyer. This is not true; perhaps his uncle had “some legal training.” But ANY lawyer worth anything will be the first one to tell you that a contract is a contract precisely until the moment you perceive it to be unfair and injurious to you and you sue to be released from it. ANY lawyer will tell you that. So for YH and CM’s parents to use this preposterous excuse for defaming JYJ while simultaneously presenting themselves as being upstanding citizens, teachers and lawyers, educated people in other words – well, it was just patently ridiculous.
Moving on. I made a point earlier today which just might bear repeating. It is this: I was just reading an old JYJ3 article called “Who Is Forever?” In it there’s a reference to a time when hundreds of thousands of Cassiopeia fans boycotted SM and all SM product during the time when SM was trying to dump Yunho out of the group. It made me kind of sad all of a sudden that this great and powerful fandom has become so fractured and fractious, solely due to SM’s immediate and vast manipulations of information/propaganda/falsehoods almost from Day One of the split.
SM knew that they had to dismantle Cassiopeia as the most immediate pressing first order of business. They could NOT allow this huge fandom to remain united and run the risk of having it turn on them again. It’s interesting to view things in hindsight sometimes.
So tell your Japanese friend that his remarks show that CM was merely doing the business of his employer in further fracturing what’s left of the old Cassiopeia fandom so that they can never again rise up as one and demand fairness and equality for both groups – Homin and JYJ. In that contest, SM’s crazily complicated strategies over the last 3 years show quite clearly who they think will come out significantly ahead.
@lilibaiyu @lilymichaelis
I remember reading in Precious’ site many comments about the educational background of all 5 of them. Many seemed to believe that because Changmin’s father is a teacher and Yunho’s family has a lawyer who almost graduated but didn’t, that it means that they are by far more respectful of the law and more intelligent than JYJ.
They made comparisons and noted that JYJ’s parents are restaurant owners or worked in the entertainment industry (Junsu’s mother) or they are businessmen (Junsu’s dad) and that it meant they were probably unaware of what the contract stipulated when they let their sons sign it. Apparently Yunho’s father and Changmin’s parents did understand and wholeheartedly agreed with the contract and that is why Homin did not sue as well. They made allusions that they believed JYJ and their parents are stupid and have no right to dispute the contract if they willingly signed it in the first place and then of course “Homin are such great sons! blah blah blah.”
I doubt being a teacher or having an uncle who kinda had some law background is enough to understand the contract given to them by SME. They were all duped especially if no lawyer was with them when they signed this contract. I really want to know what kind of legal representation was available. Precious of course evaded the whole issue that even when JYJ were willing to work under that contract SME’s accountants made sure to manipulate and keep information from their reach in order to justify their shitty pay with the smash hit “Mirotic”. He also claimed that the last payment was available for JYJ to pick up and that they had no excuse in saying that SME didn’t want to pay them. How he knew that (assuming he didn’t just lie) is what interests me. I’ll go back and finish reading it later.
@retrokim
“I doubt being a teacher or having an uncle who kinda had some law background is enough to understand the contract given to them by SME. They were all duped especially if no lawyer was with them when they signed this contract. I really want to know what kind of legal representation was available.
@retrokim
“I doubt being a teacher or having an uncle who kinda had some law background is enough to understand the contract given to them by SME. They were all duped especially if no lawyer was with them when they signed this contract. I really want to know what kind of legal representation was available.”
Oh, well, I can tell you that: no legal representation was present. Not that it would have mattered really. The contract was “carved in stone” as we say – none of it was negotiable. It was Take It or Leave It from top to bottom.
SM discouraged parents from getting the advice of attorneys. And of course they were not given copies of the contracts they signed for their children so they could not get advice on them after the fact.
I find the reliance on the status of career or occupation very telling, that old class warfare thingy. People automatically assume if you are of a particular occupation, you must be smarter. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I have seen some incredibly high placed management execs make some of the dumbest moves ever imagined. While others with little or lesser status turn out to be way more clever.
But I guess in this particular society occupation or education level trumps all else. How sad. But it still doesn’t change the fact that the courts have said the contract advantage is wrong. Doesn’t matter who signed, when, legal presentation or not. Too bad Forever/Precious, also don’t mention the fact that the court called SME out on the age signing thing…ALL signatorees (sp) of the group were underaged…under SK law, you must be 19 years old…NONE WERE.
So how wrong could the members of JYJ or their family members be if the court agrees with them and not the parents of HoMin and HoMin themselves? Gee, wonder how that works for them?
All this being said, the raising of the bar on the discussion of the merits of the JYJ side of the contract, signals that the losers are hell bent on keeping the flames fanned for distraction’s sake. They clearly understand that once this decision comes down, which it will, there will be no turning back. They are going to continue with the smear campaign to blot the image of JYJ because they don’t have anything else going for them.
HELLO!!!! PLEASE READ THIS!
I’ve been doing some investigating and I have found a person who is a nasty, malicious liar.
I’m giving you the link to her because she keeps posting lies about this site and insulting JYJ fans. HelloThrice seems to be the only respectful voice of reason and I want to help her out.
This person uses the name livinglikeadreamyj
Here is her link. http://livinglikeadreamyj.tumblr.com/
She makes things up and rarely sources her supposed “quotes”.
“[TRANS] Jaejoong Elle November: “Honestly, sometimes i really wonder why overseas fans give me green ‘fan support’. But to me, there’s nothing make me miss (them/it) more than TVXQ!.” (F: 芭比_浮生若梦x2)”
Doubt any of this crap is true but she keeps posting this.
She also claimed that we bash Homin all the time and for no reason and has claimed that the admin personally gets involved when “bashing” Homin.
Homin stans HATE YJ but since they have SME to clean up the mess for them, they don’t have to mention this disgusting activity as much as we JYJ fans have to. In fact I have been following livinglikeadreamyj for a while.
In one particular incident an anonymous anti called Jaejoong STD-infested slime and that he was a parasite stuck in the past leeching off Homin. livinglikeadreamyj made the most passive remark ever, “No, you don’t know anything. It isn’t like that.”
I replied to her and called her out. As the conversation continued she revealed how full of it she is. She claimed that Homin had just as hard of a time as JYJ, that JYJ “stans” only care about Jaejoong and when I told her that I didn’t care if JJ was gay, bi or straight as long as he was happy with someone who didn’t disrespect him like Yunho (and, frankly someone better than her overrated oppa) and she called me a hater. See, her beloved YunGod gets more of a reaction from her than the horribly cruel insult about Jaejoong.
I’m bringing this to attention because I am tired of this nasty pervert and I know she reads this site.
@retrokim
“I’m bringing this to attention because I am tired of this nasty pervert and I know she reads this site.”
Oh, OK. lol So then I guess she’ll really get her panties in a wad about what I just wrote about YJ fans and Homin about a minute ago. lol My policy is to ignore these idiots who just make things up. You can’t argue a point that is totally fabricated in the first place. I try to avoid rude, crude people. I have nothing to say to them and I don’t want to hear any of their crazy nonsense either.
I just can’t with this bitch!!! I have a tumblr and her crap sometimes leaks into the Jaejoong tag. I wanna run her over with a car and say, “Who is your oppa now, bitch!!!”
Some may say I’m being unduely rude and violent but what she does is tantamount to anonymous harassment! Yeah she has her lame account but we don’t know who she *really* is. If I did then I would post non-stop photoshopped pics of her and Barney the dinosaur in a myriad of X-rated positions, sit outside her house and harass everyone she knows with it. Then I would start a blog about the true love of livinglikeadreamyjxBarney the dinosaur.
Can their love be? People will ask if this is right…..surely a young woman and an imaginary dinosaur CANNOT be but I say…..can’t you see the tears in her eyes everytime she hears ♪ I love you! You love me! We are great big family!!!! With a hug and kiss from me to you won’t you say you love me toooooooo!!!!♪? Her favorite color is purple and they were both seen wearing a similar bracelet…..OMG!!!! They are having sexual relations!!! Let us speculate about that like a bunch of creeps with no lives!!!!
YOU HEAR ME LIVINGLIKEADREAMYJ?!!!! I KNOW YOUR SECRET RELATIONSHIP WITH BARNEY!!!!!!!!! I KNOW BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOUR INNER BEAUTY UNLIKE THOSE SHALLOW JYJ FANS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT OUTSIDE APPEARANCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Retrokim
Actually, I’d be willing to bet that this girl is already an outcast in whatever society she’s in. This is not normal behavior by any means and she’s got waaaay too much time on her hands, as in no friends, nowhere to go, no life. So if she’s already a loser and she’s targeting a person like Jaejoong who is SO OBVIOUSLY one of the most extravagantly gifted and beautiful people in the world, that really tells us all we need to know about her motives. She’s angry at the world and this is what she’s gonna do about it. Kinda Sad.
@retrokim
Since I am a Barney fan, can you please find some other object of her affection to use for illustrative purposes. Thank you. I get where you’re coming from, but Barney doesn’t deserve to be defiled this way.
@retrokim
Better yet, ship her with LSM. Never a more deserving POS on the planet!
@BAF2
LMAO!!!!! Yes! Poor Barney! I’m being very unjust to him. If I had to give anyone the honor of being livinglikeadreamyj’s LOVERDOODLE it would be, *no*, it *SHOULD* be Lee Soo Man. Aren’t they just a beautiful couple? After LSM embezzles what is left of SMEntertainment then they can run away together to Siberia or some run down shack in the woods far away from civilization.
oh…also I *don’t* wanna run her over with a car. I want Jaejoong to get married instead, see what she says then. I figure that is a better method of torture.
@retrokim
Thank you for reconsidering putting poor Barney in such a predicament. He’s such a sweetheart, and really doesn’t deserve to be contaminated like this. Besides, if she’s shipped with LSM, the viper from hell, all that slithering around will get old. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving pair!!
I went and checked out the site. Oh well. I get where you’re coming from with the anger about her distortions about JYJ3.net/admin and JYJ fans, not to mention JJ. But consider the source. The world is a very big place out here, her small microcosm is not going to affect how the world revolves.
Remember, what you put out, you attract. Lady Karma will have her say in the end. As for those who might fall for her swill, so be it. Again, the numbers of folks who are attracted to that nonsense and fall for it, won’t make a difference in the end.
Those of us who frequent JYJ3, and other JYJ oriented sites, make a much larger contribution because we don’t wallow in it. There are all kinds of projects that support the guys, all kinds of projects to help others. Not to mention how we try and look out for each other. I wouldn’t waste one moment of concern about what cretins like that say. I’m too busy enjoying the company I keep amongst the friends I make here. Life is good.
OK now people around me are looking at me strange because I have tears in my eyes with a big ass smile from reading that barney coupling .
OMG!!! Ladies I think we are getting to her!!
“How sick is that ? JYJ3 is a sick site
In jyj3 they call Yunho “he who shall not be named”
“JYJ stans, are you fucking blind or just plain stupid ? They are JYJ from DBSK so twisting the meaning of trans to Jaejoong’s interview is so cheap and messed up, making up rumors about YJS is as fucked up as your brainless mind .Get a life and accept the fact that you are nothing ! Jaejoong loves Red and it will always be red , you can take your green shit and flush it down the toilette along with your withered minds.”
She is furious! LOL! I know it is hard to accept that people aren’t dirty perverts like you livinglikeadreamyj. It must be so hard huh?
I’ll take the advice of my friends here and not post about her anymore but her stupidity is just too amusing.
she really is living like dream …
livinglikeadreamyj ? .. she was here before trolling and all … and it was about YJ .
well you have to sympathize with someone that would spend so much time “loving” a pairing like it’s the reason you live for ….. wait .. no you don’t.
so she got your attention huh …. poor thing don’t know who is she dealing with .
i never thought that it was this serious between Koreans
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/korea-starts-north-focused-military-exercise-041746063.html;_ylt=AtjlrzNPqeX.IolpXl41A5XsV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTRiYWFvYmVvBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBBc2lhU1NGIE1EBHBrZwNmYWY4M2I5Zi03YzFiLTNiN2UtYTUxNS0yN2U3ODhkNTRlNjkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgMxMDY2YjU4MC0xZTViLTExZTItYWIyZi0xOWI2OTE1ZmUxMzc-;_ylg=X3oDMTFvNzM1dWU3BGludGwDcGgEbGFuZwNlbi1waARwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxhc2lhBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Yes it’s that bad, it’s hard to believe they were one country once. The problem is that historically the leaders of North Korea are…eratic? impulsive? insane? I don’t say this spitefully nor do I say it because I’m South Korean. Take Kim Jong Il for instance, he was def certifiable, dude thought he could control the weather, forced poets to follow him around during day to day activities and told them to put everything he does into prose (and it better be flattering or else), kidnapped a South Korean filmmaker and his actress wife, held them for five years before deciding to release them so he could force them to make movies for him under house arrest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16245174). And those are just a a few of the things he’s done that would put any other person in a little white jacket and sent to the nut house. I had hopes that his son would fare better considering he’s had a western education, but he’s shaping up to be just as bad as his dad. Meanwhile the citizens of North Korea are starving while the leaders stockpile more weapons. Its just a terrible situation.
Also, when I say western education I didn’t mean to imply some sort of superiority, I only meant considering he was educated outside of North Korea in the west and had the opportunity to learn real world issues and histories instead of the brain washing indoctrination that occurs in the North Korean education system.
@mkverse
At least be assured that the US is completely committed to backing up SK all the way. They will not allow NK to commit aggressive acts against it. The US is dead serious about protecting the interests of SK no matter what.
I wanna ask. What is happening to my comments? I post stuff and it shows up a day after.
@retrokim
lol I know what you mean. I’ve written 2 big long things to you in the last 2 days, hit “Post Comment” and Poof! They vanished, never to return.
VERY frustrating.
@lilibaiyu &@retrokim
I got the same problem, wonder why???????
anyway, I feel blessing because knowing that some one is here to protect our interest and providing a healthy and peaceful environment for our JYJ fans and JYJ
@cat95
So here’s what I decided whenever I write a detailed discourse on one thing or another: I’ll just make a habit of saving it to a clipboard on the off-chance that it gets vaporized somehow. then at least I won’t feel so demoralized. Believe it or not, I labor over each post I make here. No word is written lightly or ill advisedly. Each is carefully chosen so my meaning can be clear. So after I’ve composed a post and it vanishes – it’s upsetting. So now I have a slight remedy.
@lilibaiyu
All I can say is WP has it’s issues. I’ve experience the same thing from time to time. Then I do what my VE Sister says, I open up Word, compose then copy/paste. For a while I do this, and then BAM! it’s back to business as usual.
Don’t take it personal, sometimes I feel like WP needs constant stroking that it is all that.
I am also having the same .I wrote one or 2 and they disappeared. Very very frustrating. Based on recent happenings with JJ FM, it is shocking .But I do like to add that I feel this is just one tactic SM is using to counter the inroad made by JYJ so far ,This CM thing and his recent LSM mentor comments are just unbelievableI am really amazed with his comments lately. It is just so irrational.
most important is for us to be calm and read all the articles with an open mind.There are some imply out to destroy the unity of JYJ.
@sunni
No, not exactly irrational. I understand that once having made this devil’s bargain, CM is the kind of personality that would need to further rationalize and justify it again and again. He has become the perfect puppet for SM’s propaganda war against JYJ. Please let’s all keep that in mind when considering further posts about “how much the five love each other” and how they are so desiring of getting back together. How can you desire further contact with people who have stabbed you in the back? Are we implying that the members of JYJ are stupid?? No, I don’t think that’s what ANY of us are saying at this point.
I fully agree about his personality who is trying to win points and justifying for his reasons.He has become the puppet in SM propaganda against JYJ. That said, I feel it is just another avenue for SM if too much emphasis is placed on this issue.We already have fake OT5 and JYJ fans in some of the comments in the other threads. Of course Most members of JYJ are not stupid to fall preys to such techniques. But why give SM the chance to further their cause of destruction. What we need to do is to focus on their rentry to the Japanese market next month .
Personally I see this whole excercise (JJ Fanmeet in Nanjing and Thailand) as a planned tactic by those who have the most to risk (in this case SM) to derail the whole issue of JY re-entry to the japan event next month .They did it before .
@sunni
“I fully agree about his personality who is trying to win points and justifying for his reasons.He has become the puppet in SM propaganda against JYJ. That said, I feel it is just another avenue for SM if too much emphasis is placed on this issue”
Yes, on that point you may very well be right. You must forgive be. Sometimes I just get very very upset about what these poor young men have had to go through and will continue having to go through.