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Hello There every one ^_^ .. Happy new year for U all , and for our beloved JYJ <3 ..
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I'm praying for 2013 to be even better than 2012 for them , and more inspiring for all of us
and , mentioning inspiration , how is our FanProject going ? I suppose it's on its way to JYJ , Right ?
Happy New Year to all my friends here. 2013 is set to be a GREAT year for JYJ – maybe the greatest ever. The Soulmates certainly took care of the end of the year with a BANG at the MBC Drama Awards, didn’t they? And Junsu’s concerts look to be a positively dizzyingly brilliant success. I look for the members to take us on a thrill ride for sure next year!
DEAR ADMINS, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US UP TO DATE WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR BOYS!
I’m loving the new website header by the way
TWO YEARS and counting…. Happy New Year to y’all. May you not get tired of sharing the love & friendship thru JYJ!
CHEERS! <3
My New Years Resolution is to GO TO A JYJ CONCERT IN 2013. *end of discussion*. Happy New Year to all JYJ LOVERS. May you all strive to achieve your dreams, whether it be big or small, find a way around it, like our young men JYJ are doing. To quote an old song ” Keep on Pushing”.
LOL! The power of stupid SME trolls. Have you guys heard SNSD’s “Dancing Queen”? Remake of Duffy’s “Mercy”.
I would say ripoff just like “Run Devil Run”. Kesha was offered the song and she made a studio version and dropped it. It was then given to SME who gave it to SNSD. Story repeats itself except SNSD had more rights over “Run Devil Run” since Kesha never released the song but this????
You wouldn’t believe their bullshit story. They are saying that SME wrote that song in 2008 but there was “copyright” issues so they gave it to Duffy who released it in 2009 and somehow (rolls eyes) they regained the song and gave it to SNSD. Some SONE’s are claiming that Duffy “stole” SNSD’s song. LMFAO!!!!!! How could there be copyright issues if this was their own freaking song! Answer is simple: they ripped off another song yet AGAIN! They did something similar with DBSK’s “Mirotic”
I remember that song cause it caused a wave just like Adele’s “Rolling in the Deep”. A quick look up in Wikipedia gives you this:
“”Mercy” is a song performed by Welsh singer Duffy, released as the second single from her debut album, Rockferry (2008). CO-WRITTEN BY DUFFY AND STEVE BOOKER AND PRODUCED BY BOOKER, it was released over 2008 worldwide to critical acclaim and unprecedented chart success. As Duffy’s first international release, the song is credited with firmly establishing the singer’s career and is now considered her signature song. “Mercy” received comparisons to Duffy’s previous single, “Rockferry”. Critical reviewers of “Mercy” noted similarities between the song to releases by Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield and The Supremes, as well as contemporaries such as fellow British singer Amy Winehouse.”
LOL!!!!! These dogs will never learn but you still have the bullshit SME apologist. I don’t blame SNSD for this because they have zero control over the music process. They don’t pick their concepts or their songs no matter how much SME lies about giving them a “choice”. So freaking pathetic!!!!
“Korean girl group Girls’ Generation covered the song under the alternative title, “Dancing Queen”. It was recorded in 2009, however it was not released until December 2012 for their 4th studio album “I Got a Boy”.”
Sigh…….If you are rewriting the entire lyrics and giving the song a new title but keeping everything else the exact SAME then it is no longer a cover. There are covers (Glee), samples and remix versions but this is none of that. As long as they get a legal OK they’ll profit off this but anyone who compares both songs will see that SME just rewrote Korean lyrics and made no creative effort with this song. This is just like that dumb “5 version” CD they made of the EXACT SAME SONG for SNSD’s “The Boys”. How can they get away with being so lazy and unoriginal?????
@retrokim
sorry, but what does SNSD have to do with JYJ?..
I actually thing you should not put this here.
1)this has nothing to do with JYJ
2) there are a lot of JYJ fans who like/care about those girl (mayeb you will not understand it but well that is not our problem) and they can feel uncomfortable with this.
SM =/= SM artists…
One of my fav girl group it’s the grace and there are under SM..if someone attacks them I will react..so that why I can understand JYJ who also are SNSD fans and feel uncomfortable now.
post: I don’t thing you posted this with bad intentions but please now what we need is JYJ fans union but another fanwar with X fandom.
@Alexa_Is_Chunsa
I’m afraid I can’t agree with you that SM’s artists can somehow be separated from SM itself. It doesn’t really work that way as long as SM is responsible for every artistic and production decision and SM pockets 98% of the money fans spend “supporting their favorites.” As long as SM artists are required to toe the line, do as they are told and record what they are told to do by SM – how can you separate them in any realistic way?
Actually, as to retrokim’s point – I would agree with her. I’ve heard both versions of the song and I thought SNSD’s rendition was pretty lightweight. I can’t think why anyone would want to listen to it rather than the soulful original that Duffy sang.
I see it this way. No idol group (or individual) can call themselves artists to a full extent and that includes DB5K. Their music and the concepts for their albums were chosen by SME. Always, without a question. That DBSK had vocal talent was an unexpected bonus but that did not make them artists. It simply meant they had potential to become artists. The SME idol management system has done much harm to all who entered it. There are idols like BoA who can do many things (she isn’t a master) but she has great versatility and dedication but do you see her making any real choices in her music career? She has stated that she doesn’t mind that SME chooses the concepts and majority of the songs for her. (Something she should be doing herself or with help if she needs it) She considers it a great “exercise” that she wrote the lyrics for “Hurricane Venus” and composed “Only One”. Oohhhh you are such a deep artist now BoA. *rolls eyes*
Then you have the ones who don’t even try (majority of SuJu).
SNSD is right now the new puppet for SME to experiment with even if it means embarrassing escapades like that 5? 8? version album of the same song. Yes…you read that right…the SAME SONG!!! There was “The Boys” remix with Snoop Dogg versions 1 and 2, the studio version, the live version…..SME did not promote this as a serious album but just the fact that they put it out there in case someone was stupid enough to buy this shows how SME only banks to the lowest possible denominator for its talent. I couldn’t believe that lazy bullshit.
I think JYJ were also affected by this system. They may have had many ideas and composed songs that never made it onto an album but they also accepted music imposed on them by SME and completely stupid concepts that must have hurt their pride as young men. Dumb fangirls can rant all they want but no one in their right mind will think that “Balloons” or “Triangle” (remember that STUPID hair?!!) was an “artistic” success. It is idolhood plain and simple. JYJ (just like Homin) spent years under this system and it will take time for them to really find an identity for themselves. I’ll wait through all their experiments if that is what they want to do and not what some company told them to do. I don’t really like the new concept for Jaejoong’s album but he chose it so I have to respect that. He had full say for what he wanted in this album. He composed and wrote lyrics and accepted songs from Kim Bada so it is his own album, success or failure. SNSD can’t say the same.
I don’t think JYJ is out of the woods just yet but they are on their way. They have had all kinds of problems to overcome and not everything has been a smashing success but it was THEIR OWN path, their own successes, failures and mistakes. Not the mistakes of others that they have to pay for.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to make anyone uncomfortable. My point was that I’m really tired of SME’s laziness and how people just applaud then when they make no real effort for better music. Again, SNSD isn’t to blame because they don’t choose, none of them choose. I won’t bring this up again.
@retrokim
It didn’t make me uncomfortable..I just thought that most people like myself were tired of talking about SM since JYJ are no longer legally linked to them. Nonetheless, this is a open discussion..so speak about whatever topic..your interested in..as for SNSD their getting mixed reviews from the Korean public for their single “I got a boy” and have received low ratings for their comeback special…but the single is still doing well on the music charts…I wonder how SM is taking this news…cause most Kpop fans have been throughly disappointed with this single. As for SM buying singles..I don’t think its that big of a deal…however, I do think they should allow SNSD to contribute to the writing of their material..and I agree with lilibaiyu, Duffs version was better..
I am talking about someone who already posted this on twitter..and as I said this fandom is already divided we no need more diviting now.
division*
@ Alexa_is_chunsa
I certainly bashed SME management and the fans who accused an established artist of stealing from “their girls” (which was a total basket of lies) but not the girls themselves. I am sorry if anyone felt offended on behalf of SNSD. Nor did I ever say that SME equals their artists but take it as you will.
@Daisy
Oh, you are SOOO right about me being sick of talking about SM! I can’t WAIT to never mention them again in my lifetime. And I will stop the second JYJ are allowed back on TV, on radio, on all SK music charts and are allowed access to booking the best concert venues, etc etc etc Because until they are, I don’t think anyone’s kidding themselves that A.) SM is continuing to be behind the ban and B.) they have broken their promise after publically giving their word that after 3 and a half years of dirty dealings they will no longer interfere with JYJ’s career.
Of course there have been several articles about how SM manipulates charts, does mass buy-backs, pays off radio programmers among other illegalities in order to inflate their rosters’ perceived success.That’s old news too. That’s just what they do, that’s I’m sure one of the famed “Trade Secrets” that they refused to reveal at the trial. That I’ll also be glad to never worry about again just as long as JYJ are finally truly free to pursue their careers. Not before.
@retrokim
“I am sorry if anyone felt offended on behalf of SNSD. Nor did I ever say that SME equals their artists…”
No, that was me.
@lilibaiyu
I think that while mentioning specific artists may be avoidable for the best (sorry about SNSD), we should never do the same to SME the company. Until JYJ can go to any show they like SME is still accountable. I guess their apologists will use the lawsuit to wash their hands off everything even though it is clear that if JYJ still can’t go on that it is because SME has the broadcasting stations blocking on their behalf. Seriously when will they be able to go on a show? Funny how KBS, SBS and MBC gave some mumbled bullshit answers but we haven’t seen JYJ on TV yet. Let us see how the promotions will go for Jaejoong’s album.
“•You can talk about different issues related to JYJ/Kpop/Kdrama/SM/AVEX and other themes here.”
In a perfect world, there would be no need to discuss SM, but since this is not a perfect world, the discussion continues. Just because SM and JYJ are no longer tied to each other contracturally, doesn’t mean I can’t speak my mind about that nest of vipers. Trust me, if that lying den of thieves were to go under, I would not miss them AT ALL.
Uh .. you made me crave some Duffy songs now ..
I love her voice .
She kind of reminds me of Adele but her voice is more “gritty” so it probably fits soulful songs better than Adele’s voice.
I love Duffy. Especially Warwick Avenue.
I think it’s kinda gobsmacking that SM is pushing so hard to sell “their” product to international markets, & yet think those international markets won’t recognize ripped off songs!!! Do they think every music fan in the world is happy to be mindlessly spoonfed any line SM wants to dish out???? The sheer balls of SM to just keep going lower & lower really astounds me at times.
HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!!!!
Hello everyone. HAPPY NEW YEAR 2013
and wishing everyone here happiness, joy and success. 2012 was bumpy and with lots of hurdles but we came out victorious in the end. I still can’t believe the lawsuit with SM was over…even though we know that it is only on papers but still it is a great start 
…ain’t it a surprise?!! JYJ Fans…JYJ Family FIGHTING!!!
I need help dear wise and intellectual friends. Can somebody explain to me what is NB? What is the latest commotion in the netizen buzz that everyone is talking about? Please somebody …..give info. Thank You.
Dear JYJers and JYJ3 lovers;
I like to invite all of you to join hand in celebration of 2ND. ANNIVERSARY OF JYJ3 tomorrow 2nd. of January 2013. This is a way of our tribute to all the hard works, diligent, fast and efficient information and events circulating around our beloved JYJ by the ADMINS throughout this 2 years….and of course by standing strong and wise during the turmoils and ups and downs inside the fandom. This is also our way to thank them by allowing us to use their space in inspiring ideas, spreading infos, making friendships and be merry as one in this wonderful site of REPUBLIC OF JYJ.
So don’t forget to post tributes and beautiful comments to our dear ADMINS tomorrow. Thank You
* Sorry ADMINS for not asking permission first.
happyhappyhappy new year everyone..jyjers aka gangs/mafia(joke)..hoping and praying that 2013 will be great amazing year for jyj and for all of us..hoping that the true sense of freedom and fairness would be given to them…starting with jaejoong solo album,praying that a miracle happen and he will be allowed to promote on tv..then ofcourse jyj group and other solo project.hoping that this fandom
continue to grow bigger and peaceful..all the best for all of us…keep loving ..fighting…
p.s..happy 2nd anniv.to this wonderful site..thank you so much admin and everyone involve for all the effort ..
..jyjers aka gangs/mafia(joke)..
LOL!!!
I got up to this “JYJ fans are gangs” crap and was F**k this! it’s new years I’m going back to sleep .
I seriously couldn’t care less .
Hey girl!!!
I seriously wonder where they get these ideas. If I get up in someone’s face then that is just me (I’m an aggressive individual- not good I know) not all of the JYJ fandom. They act like all the fans in other fandoms are peaceful and never fight. LOL! What a crock of bull. If other fandoms aren’t concentrating on a common enemy then they post their little passive aggressive comments about how much better their bias is. They ALL do it so for them to think that they can single out the JYJ fandom is laughable. Those kinds of fans are everywhere sadly but nope apparently it is only the JYJ fans that are “breaking each other apart”.
Also many believe that we JYJ fans support JYJ out of pity and because we are being emotionally manipulated but they never give examples of this so called manipulation. So stupid.
@retrokim
“Also many believe that we JYJ fans support JYJ out of pity and because we are being emotionally manipulated but they never give examples of this so called manipulation. ”
This to me is an especially onerous assertion. I don’t choose music to listen to based on the pity factor.
Are they saying some fans do?? Who are these people – are they nuts??
@retrokim
“Also many believe that we JYJ fans support JYJ out of pity and because we are being emotionally manipulated but they never give examples of this so called manipulation.”
STOP! HOLD THE PRESSES!
@retrokim
Ok, I hit enter and didn’t finish my post…
You mean, I’m being manipulated to support JYJ out of pity and don’t know it? Well, that explains everything. How was I to know that I would come to like hearing fabulous voices coming out of the mouths of such adorably handsome young men.
Besides being well over the age of 21, I guess I don’t know what’s good for me, huh? I suppose it’s back to school for me. Honestly, if this is the kind of drivel coming from the youth of today, civilization is in trouble, BIG TIME. Critical thinking skills are in short supply if they are spouting this kind of nonsense. Me thinks there is a great deal of projection going on here.
Yup, three extremely talented artists who are independent of factory producing music companies require pity fans in order to succeed. Got it. Well now, what will they think of next!
@ BAF2 @ lilibaiyu
Yep. I couldn’t believe it either ladies but apparently these people are convinced that JYJ have been playing the pity card and we fans fell hook, line and sinker.
@retrokim
yeah .. it can’t be their music , talent , personality or looks … it must be pity .. yep .
@retrokim and BAF
“Yep. I couldn’t believe it either ladies but apparently these people are convinced that JYJ have been playing the pity card and we fans fell hook, line and sinker.”
Well, I’m sure I’m going to get into no end of trouble for posting this but this latest absurdity does in fact put me in mind of comments I used to read about a certain Idol group who shall remain nameless here from a couple of years ago. Comments like, “But they’re IMPROVED so much!” and “We have to support them – they’re trying SO HARD!!” Also a few like “We PROMISED to support them and now we just have to!” I pissed a lot of people off at the time when I suggested that it sounded a lot like pity and that that wasn’t really a reason to listen to someone’s music. It didn’t go over very well. lol At the time I just chalked it up to more brainwashing of the Idol Fanclub sort. There has been a whole lot of very questionable beliefs that fans have been asked to swallow whole over the years and all of them, I would suggest have as their bottom line that fans keep buying product and “supporting their boys.”
@lilibaiyu
If I had to garner a guess(es) then I would say that they probably think that our intense dislike of SME is because they broke apart our “boys”. Never mind that this is the logic of some OT5′s NOT JYJ fans who already agreed to burn bridges and support the ones we believed had the most potential i.e. JYJ. Sure, there are some JYJ fans who also support Homin but they are not in the majority (at least not on this site)….and really the reason they also support JYJ is because of the emotional ties they formed with Homin as DBSK so….they are OT5s.
There is also the idea that it is OK that JYJ’s work is banned because they finally got what they wanted, money, so they should just “put up with it” for being “greedy”. There are fans who dramatize the problems of JYJ and make very uncomfortable and offensive comparisons but for the most part I don’t think anyone here pities JYJ. They are doing very good for themselves. My anger is that the management in SME behave like a bunch of thugs with the power to ban whoever crosses them and that this is endorsed by companies that are supposed to be public, i.e. taxpayer money, NOT the private interests of a company who uses dirty tricks to monopolize the music industry.
I’m not gonna lie. I DO have emotional ties with JYJ but then again so do the majority of these fans who accuse JYJ fans of falling for “emotional” manipulation. Seriously! Group who we won’t name had many fans who stayed because they are “carrying on the name” and “suffered” because a certain trio of “greedy and immoral” people “back stabbed” them. Really! Just how blind do you have to be to not appreciate the irony?!! Again, while I am more…involved…with JYJ I also don’t fail to voice my opinions about what I think of their music and that is why I resent fans who think we have to like everything JYJ does. It is these kinds of fans who make us all look like sheeple. Respect DOES NOT equal “liking” something. I respect the path JYJ have chosen but I’m not gonna buy one of their songs if I don’t like it. I am also honest enough to recognize when things still need more improvement…so…ummm….this “true fan” bullshit isn’t going to fly with me.
For me the real ball breaker is the fact that they spew this swill and not once do you hear any outrage about the fact that SME is a company that overlooks sexual harassment of their female artists. How FK’d up is that?!
So, I don’t give a rodent’s patootie what they say about me and my love/support of JYJ. I can honestly say, they are grown men with the POWER to make their OWN decisions. They don’t have to ask permission from anyone to go to the john, cross the street, or any other sundry BS nonsense.
They can all go take a hike as far as I’m concerned. When they decide to open their eyes, stop coddling SM, and finally wakeup to the real world, then they can talk. Anything less than this, is simply hot air. Smacks of jealousy if you ask me.
@BAF
“For me the real ball breaker is the fact that they spew this swill and not once do you hear any outrage about the fact that SME is a company that overlooks sexual harassment of their female artists. How FK’d up is that?!”
Yes, it always amuses me when these kids say “JYJ were greedy” to want to leave SM, the undisputed MONSTERS OF GREED by a factor of 10. Now there the proof for my assertion is real – it’s all in JYJ’s old contracts, all written out. The SK courts and the Korean Federal Trade Commission took a very dim view of their “Everything For Us, Nothing For You” contract and threw it in the trash. It’s amazing that these kids seize upon this one idea, “JYJ are greedy”, ignore the facts and repeat it over and over to each other.
But the bottom line for me is this: no one who has ever worked for a living, who has a job and wants fair wages for a day’s work and doesn’t want to be followed home by their employer so that they can dictate what the employee does there too could POSSIBLY believe that JYJ’s motive for leaving SM was greed. The people who believe this fiction are kids who as BAF says “have drunk the kool-aid” that SM served up to them long ago.
This thread is getting too long.
I alternate between periods of calmness and pure fury. At the moment I can’t care too much about what haters and their cronies say. If they are getting paid or not to hate on JYJ isn’t even an issue. Sad sacks of shit one way or another because instead of spending their time doing what they want to do they seem to have nothing better to do than to hate on JYJ.
@retrokim…naaa its a joke…im just hurt that one of kpop site is calling our fandom like that..and even blocking jyj article in his/her site…sooo heartbreaking another hate for our jyj
@jaedara748
I know you were responding to @retrokim, hope you don’t mind me butting in…please do not give anyone the power to control how you feel. They don’t deserve that right. You are the person who can control that. If there are folks out there who are simple-minded and childish enough to function in this manner, that’s their problem. Imagine how hurt they must be to behave like this. Something is not going well in their lives. Their problem, not your’s.
Just think about all the good that happens in the lives of the members of JYJ. Lady Karma is looking out for each and everyone of them. She knows whose backs to take.
Just like we do. 
@BAF
LOL I was just about to respond in roughly the same way. (wow – sisters really DO think alike!) As I’ve often said: JYJ don’t need EVERY SINGLE PERSON to be their fan! Some will for one reason or another fall by the wayside. JYJ will do brilliantly well if only the people who really get them stick around and enjoy their music and whatever else they choose to do. Don’t worry because of these Haters. They will eventually give up and go away. Sooner or later, continuing to divide the JYJ fandom will lose its appeal for these people, if for no other reason than that SM will get tired of paying them to make trouble. (It’s an actual growth industry now, you know. People are paid by the computer hit to cause trouble.) It just means that for fans, go ahead and like who you like. What the “netizens” have to say no longer really means all that much.
Oh no dear! I know you were just joking. Please don’t feel bad. My reply was to meme who has heard this comment before but not in a joking manner. We all know what you meant but you still sparked a lively conversation!!! Hope you didn’t mind.
As for that fool; She or He can ride a scooter into a ditch hole. Cheer up friend.
@retrokim @BAF @lilibaiyu thanksss..for the enlightment..
Hello everyone and Happy New Year!
I am going to post a video here because I want us to talk about this. However, if the admins think that is not appropriate, please do delete the post.
Here it is, according to this video, YouTube is cracking down on fake views numbers. I didn’t image that such thing was possible, but allegedly this is real:
What do you think?
@Daebaksama
Wow. BMG/Sony are busted, big-time. That’s pretty incredible. I guess India is the go-to place now to hire people who do all of this kind of stuff. It’s pretty sad to think that artists not signed to one of these monstrous companies (like JYJ, for instance) are up against this kind of cheating and the loads of little teen-aged K-Pop chat room regulars who instantly take these inflated numbers as gospel. That’s what bugs me, I guess. The kids who you always end up having arguments with online because they instantly believe the hype and call you a Hater for saying “I don’t think so.”
It’s rather interesting. It will be interesting to see how this fits in the k-pop industry. I had no idea that such things can happen, but I guess they do. Happy New Year!
it will fit perfectly in k-pop .
Embarrassing ..I heard that some fans are doing this too..to make their artis look more popular.
@daebaksama
Thanks for posting. This kind of fits though. The more we progress technologically, the more we digress sociologically. Just because something is easy to do/use, doesn’t mean it should be abused. But competion makes folks do some really weird things – Lance Armstrong, anyone?
I’m glad they are calling the music industry out regarding their BS. If you’re not making the profit you think you should be making, you never should have OVER CHARGED for cds when they came onto the market twenty years ago. They were dirt cheap to make versus LPs, and you abused the consumer. Now that you want to include MAYBE one hit song on a cd, you still want to over charge for it. And downloading for digital really cheats the artist again. Great bunch of guys you music moguls you!
Will be interesting to see how kpop views look after the sweep.
My VE Sister, the arguments will always be there for those who see/hear only what they want to see/hear. None so blind as those who refuse to see.
@BAF
“If you’re not making the profit you think you should be making, you never should have OVER CHARGED for cds when they came onto the market twenty years ago. They were dirt cheap to make versus LPs, and you abused the consumer.”
I guess for some of us, the fact that here in the US and elsewhere the big record companies are filled to the rafters with greed, entitlement and ego is not exactly a revelation. This is in fact the common perception. People know when they are being treated unfairly – they don’t take kindly to it. This is why downloading became an every day thing for millions of music lovers. Who started the Big Rip-Off? The major labels. Because of their greed, lack of respect for their customers and profound short-sightedness they succeeded in killing the consumer Good Will that must be there for any company to grow and thrive. They made it damned easy to justify downloading a few songs from the internet. Then they had the nerve to start with the big “BOO-HOO, Poor Us!” campaign, labeling downloaders as thieves and criminals. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black as my granny used to say. That didn’t fly with the record buying public either.
Lili,
Everything you said is spot on. The reason Napster became so huge was because the record companies were charging waaay too much for cds. We all know how easy it is to burn a cd on our computer. Well, back in the day, it was just as easy, only with the speed and power of mainframe computers and drive units that could house multiple drives and then some. These companies knew it was cost effective. But they CHOSE to rip the consumer off. And let’s be honest, not everyone was aware of how cheap it was to make them.
All the basic consumer knew was here was a new product and I have to have it. So when you start off charging $20 a pop for a cd what did they expect was going to happen? Yeah, I wasn’t feeling that whoa is me BS either. So, like that old adage…unexpected consequences. Had they instituted a growth plan instead of ripping folks off, they would not have been bleeding money. Everyone would have been happy.
When the day comes that artists can truly utilize the internet the way it should be, the record companies will become obsolete. Granted I probably won’t be around by then, but how sweet it will be.
This isn’t even surprising me. These companies inflate any figure that can be manipulated. In countries whose music industry is still gaining maturity it is very common for companies to offer to their artists to buy back their albums just like in South Korea. Some musicians probably don’t even know this happens i.e. idols. They don’t necessarily have much of a say so if their company deems it necessary then the company buys their albums to make them rise up in the charts. Others just buy rankings in music charts or their fans try to “help” through bulk buying.
Seriously feel bad for the ones who had no clue this was happening and genuinely thought they were gaining success. What a hollow victory.
@retrokim
Agreeing with everything you said, the mere fact that what little money is made is going into the pockets of management/stockholders (for those that are listed). Only the smart ones look at the picture and say…ENOUGH, like the members of JYJ. They no longer have to settle for whatever crumbs are thrown their way.
What these music companies should keep in mind, is that like those auto companies that could not keep up, closing was the only option left. Nothing lasts forever.
Especially when fans make multiple YT accounts, and put the song on a playlist and have it play constantly on a loop, that raises the viewing numbers. A certain fandom does it all the time and tells other fans to do the same thing. Shameful.
To Mia, thank you for creating JYJ3.net two years ago. I like to refer to this site as A Place Called Home. As the saying goes…time flies when you’re having fun! None of us would be as close to each other were it not for JYJ3.net.
I’ve met some really cool people on this site. Sharing with them our love for the members of JYJ, is a joy. Let’s continue to make miracles for the guys. Let’s show all those who have tried to sabotage the careers of JYJ what loyal fans we are!
To all those behind the scenes, past and present, thank you for all your hard work. 44M+ hits means you’re doing something right!
JYJ3 should open a forum… to celebrate the two years … I do not know about forum stuff but i am sure some members can help with it.
O’ yes!!! Nice idea ;D
All of those Kpop groups have international forums and it’s free…
I like your idea and I hope they create a forum.. It would be amazing!!!!
HEY BAF2!!!!!!! I’m sure you already know but still……
What do you think? Will her victory mean further de-regulation of South Korea’s industries?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/world/asia/south-korea-presidential-election/index.html
I was surprised about that picture. A shantytown….Certainly all countries (industrialized or not) have pockets of poverty but usually in industrialized nations it is in the form of a ghetto or a rural town but this….I didn’t anticipate.
@retrokim
Yes, I knew she won. But the good thing, it’s only for 5 years. The progressives have been making gains slowly. Her win is not the end of the world. The legislature is getting more and more progressive each election. The conservatives only have about a 15 member count lead if my memory serves me right.
I’m not surprised about that shantytown. It’s simply the ‘ghetto’ for Seoul. Reminds me of the hillside shantys outstide of Caracas, Venezuela. Each one that exists, has it’s own look. I believe this is one of the reasons for Psy’s “Gangnam Style” song, even though I don’t listen to it. The have’s ignoring the plight of the have nots is SOP. They wouldn’t have anything to crow about if there were no have nots. Same as over here. The comment from that elderly woman is pretty much how it goes every where.
From all the things I read during the election, regulations on the chaebols was top of the list. People are feed up with the way these companies get away with what they do. My guess is she’s going to have to produce some reforms. There will be some honeymoon period, but how long that will be, will be anyone’s guess.
READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.allkpop.com/2013/01/breaking-block-b-sues-stardom-asks-for-exclusive-contract-to-be-nullified
@retrokim
Yes, I saw and commented there last night. This will be a trend among those artists who truly know they have a shot at a legitimate career, unmanipulated, over-worked and over-managed by a large corporation. These artists are successful, they’ve made money for *somebody* and they didn’t see much of it. They are angry and they should be. They should do exactly what Block B is doing. They now have JYJ to look to and see how they have fared, i.e. DAMNED WELL. Those singing groups who know deep down that they need all the help and primping they can get will stay with the Idol Makers.
what Baffles me the most about this is .. people who still think that anyone wanting a better working contact is just greedy for money .
like it’s OK for the big companies to be all about the money and it just so very Ungratefulof of the idol/talent to want more in their paycheck.
@meme & JYJ
“people who still think that anyone wanting a better working contact is just greedy for money .
like it’s OK for the big companies to be all about the money and it just so very Ungratefulof of the idol/talent to want more in their paycheck.”
The people who espouse this idea have an agenda of their own devising. Many are afraid that if the Idol system fails, their fave oppas will be out of a job and will fall from their ever-present position in the media. I think they may have a point. Who would want to broadcast ex-idol singers who can’t really sing, especially if they’d been paid off for years to do so and the money stopped? This is in fact the level of corruption that exists in the SK music business in 2013.
Others are simply in the hip pocket of these big entertainment companies. I don’t know what they’re getting for their pains but they seem to be getting something. I saw an article today where people were all over Song Ji Hyo for “dating a mobster.” A tweet identified the posters as HoTels and the number and rudeness was ugly. Imagine! HoTels are still active NOW?? It’s hard to believe but the level of venom in these posts made me a believer all over again.
For a 3rd group, selling fan goods is a business for them and if the group goes away, their income also stops. It’s just a lot of self-interest.
Are you serious? Jackass HoTels are still running around? I can understand why their activities would be against JYJ but why would they care if Song JiHyo dates the president of CJeS or not? It is her life. They are such sad sacks of shit.
Whatever.
I replied on another page to BAF2. Block B better stay solid and united. They always prey upon the weakest link in order to break apart any challenges. We have H.O.T and Kara as examples. We also have Shinhwa to show what could be if a group sticks together.
I can’t believe people actually think the big boss’s in the show baseness are really mobster free .
they love this whole JYJ is with a mobster company because it’s their excuses to say they’re not victims and SM isn’t really that bad .
really people ?
you can really say it alright to try to enforce a contract that ‘s not fair to begin with and then go above the law and hinder someone activities because they don’t want to work for you anymore ?
I understand hate towards someone if they’re not your cup of tea but going so far as to denying a right given to them by law and dismissing them as victims of Entertainment companies Law of the jungle is just plain stupid.
I’ve heard before that Song JiHyo was starting the “Monday Couple” with Gary on the show. People speculated that she maybe broke up with her current boyfriend, CEO Baek, but it seems she is aware of the bashing and has to have her relationship on the down-low. So sad. Do those netizen-fuckers feed her? Do they take care of her so that they feel the need to be up in her personal life?
I know they are just involving her to make comment about JYJ. It makes sense now for why HoTels got involved with this. I just hope it shows more people how low these netizens are. Not tolerating lies about a person is not “censoring” the internet…..those pieces of shit think they are so crafty. I know the game.
@meme & JYJ
“they love this whole JYJ is with a mobster company because it’s their excuses to say they’re not victims and SM isn’t really that bad .”
The entire Idol-maker machine in the SK entertainment business has been run exactly like organized crime. There is virtually NO difference between them other than the retribution style of those who try to go up against the Bosses. In the U.S. the penalty is gangland style killings, in SK it is blacklisting, shunning and the ruination of an artist’s future career – career death as it were rather than physical death. Aside from that distinction, there is no difference in how the big bosses control every aspect of the business, the lives of the artists and the media.
Here are a couple of eye-opening articles to read:
http://www.asianjunkie.com/2012/08/music-chart-manipulation-huh-you-dont-say/
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2056115,00.html
http://nwww.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20110812000648
@Retrokim
“I know they are just involving her to make comment about JYJ. It makes sense now for why HoTels got involved with this. I just hope it shows more people how low these netizens are. ”
That’s why I suggest that everyone who has a few spare minutes should just go and, yes, intelligently comment that these are mean-spirited and intentional lies and defamation of a wonderful young woman and they need to stop. This is what these people continue to avoid in their comparisons between JYJ fans and The Haters. The Haters routinely make up lies and spread them, their goal is to defame and ruin the careers of JYJ. JYJ fans can be very feisty and protective, yes no question, we’ve had to be, but we do not seek to make up and spread lies about anyone out of sheer malice.That is WRONG and I have no doubt that Karma will come into play for those people at some point. You just can’t do that and get away with it.
Re: My above post:
Here is the article I referenced. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.de/2013/01/reader-request-song-ji-hyo.html
I’d really appreciate it if anyone who has a few minutes to spare would go and comment on Ji Hyo’s behalf… This is an unfair character assassination and I feel we all need to weigh in on the other side. Thanks for helping!
I must add lilibaiyu (if you don’t mind):
Whoever comments…please….PLEASE do so intelligently. If you need to find links and do some research then go ahead because these people are making up their own “facts” and manipulating information to defame Song JiHyo and JYJ.
would it really be any help ?
that blog and it’s readers are already determined .
she will keep claiming she’s neutral and indifferent then post what she needs and people will believe it ..I mean she can speak Korean and that all it takes for people take it as facts .
soon you’ll see it being linked as proof in argument just lake that one tvxq site is .
JYJ are bad people and with a gangster company .
JYJ fans are also gangster in their own way and cannot be resend with .
everyone else is just hard working idol with sensible fan that stick to their own idol cafes .
it’s not personal ..it’s the Truth…we are just Delusional JYJ fan .
OK what kind of English is this LOLLLL
I need to go to sleep .
I know friend but I also saw some people there who were very confused, You are right that the people who are determined to hate JYJ can’t be changed but those other people are walking away with the wrong idea.
R5anne is my username there. I have had that account for months but I just used it. Those idiots make me so mad but I will not allow them to misinform others and imply JYJ in articles that have nothing to do with them. They really are crafty. They don’t bring JYJ up. They wait until some clueless person goes….”ummm….isn’t that JYJ’s company?” and then they pounce. They also never outright say, “JYJ are gangsters” because they know what trouble that could bring so instead they defame people around JYJ; Junsu’s parents, CEO Baek, Song JiHyo etc so that they can imply bad things about JYJ. I know those old tactics very well. I know my comments and lilibaiyu’s might not do much but I just can’t let those snakes think that their behavior isn’t at least being intelligently challenged.
Can you believe that idiot “just saying”. That troll has been dissing JYJ nonstop but then goes “I know good JYJ fans”……..
……seriously? Does this fool think I was born yesterday? What JYJ fan would be friends with someone who says things like:
“this is exactly why you don’t even want to think about it as a possibility, because you,as many other kpop fans,took all the rumors and best rated comments from akp as facts,and many ppl still believe jyj are the victims of sm and everything that’s written on net are lies and everything is a conspiracy and the only truth is that jyj are the biggest victims in the universe since holocaust until now.”
This fool thinks I won’t challenge him. Unbelievable.
Can someone tell me how to register to leave a post? What I’ve been trying does not seem to be working, so I must be doing something wrong. When I write the post, the box comes up asking if I want to create an account. Then I try putting in a username and my email, it claims the email is invalid. Huh? I prefer not to hook up with any of my other sns ids.
To be honest, the timing of all this is suspect. As long as she has been dating Baek, all of a sudden this attack is happening? Something smells awfully fishy if you ask me.
I think you’ll need to use another email account if you have one. There is no avatar or anything so people won’t notice. You just make up a username with a new email address. I’ve had my account for so long that I thought that it wouldn’t work but surprisingly I had no problems. I didn’t need to go to my email account and confirm a link and all the hubaloo.
Oh yeah. Lilibaiyu already confirmed that this was the work of HoTels. At first I wondered why would they attack Song JiHyo about this but then it became so clear. Their plan is to defame as much people around JYJ as possible. Ever since CJeS has stepped up and taken serious action against netizens (including minors) these people have had to become more crafty. Since there are legal repercussions for slander against JYJ why not attack their labelmates instead?
Remember the casting problem concerning that actress from CJeS in “Missing You”? Fans had nothing to do with that shit. Now the targets are CEO Baek and Song JiHyo. They think they are so slick but I gotta hand it to them; they confuse and mislead all the clueless ones and really…that is ALL they want. They want to manipulate people against CJeS with their half-baked stories full of convenient omissions about SME. They want to attack the company in order to get to JYJ.
@retrokim
“Now the targets are CEO Baek and Song JiHyo. They think they are so slick but I gotta hand it to them; they confuse and mislead all the clueless ones and really…that is ALL they want. They want to manipulate people against CJeS with their half-baked stories full of convenient omissions about SME. They want to attack the company in order to get to JYJ.”
Yes, unfortunately I agree with your analysis of what’s going on here. And honestly, I don’t kid myself that we’ll change minds of people out to do mischief for this end. I believe that if enough of us simply weigh in and state the facts that then those who aren’t in on this ploy will be able to make up their minds having heard both sides. The scammers are NOT the majority! They are a small group of trouble-makers.
Mr Baek committed a crime, he was punished for it and he paid for it with a 2 year jail term. He has certainly behaved honestly and even heroically ever since. If he can be “blamed” for being born into the wrong family, well, that’s a new one on me. He made a misstep many years ago and he has paid his debt to society.Song Ji Hyo has NOTHING to do with any of it other than in becoming attracted to a man who wants to be given a second chance to live an honorable life.
When you compare HIS life to the truly abhorrent, decades long wrong-doing of Lee Soo Man… well, don’t get me started. Mr Baek has NOTHING on LSM – there’s nooooo comparison. But that’s beside the point in this case. All that is important is that Song Ji Hyo is being unfairly targeted and defamed as a roundabout way to re-open the discussion that JYJ are being managed by gangsters.
Ok, I’ll have to check on my old yahoo acct. and see if that works. I saw Lili’s post because her JYJ3.net gravatar came up. It looked like all I needed to do was key in a username and an email. But hey…will try the alternate one.
I saw where Lili posted info about Ho Tels. I’m still thinking there is something else behind this. Sure they want to continue to defame JYJ, but know that theri asses will be in legal sling is they do. But how is it they think they will successfully smear Song Ji Hyo. She is established and well liked. They are taking a big risk in going after her. My guess is Baek is no weak sister either. Don’t these folks know they reek of desperation at this point?
By the way, I tried looking for other links, (LSM/Interpol), but the only definitive ones are the JYJ3.net and JYJFiles. I did go back over the one on JYJFiles to see what the source produces. That link is no longer active. It is probably in the paper’s archive and it’s in Korean. So unless you know someone who can go there and check it for you, don’t think there will be anything other than those. Willing to bet, he’s had the internet scoured to pull as much stuff as he could, especially since it was so long ago and he got the pardon.
@BAF
“Ok, I’ll have to check on my old yahoo acct. and see if that works. I saw Lili’s post because her JYJ3.net gravatar came up. It looked like all I needed to do was key in a username and an email. But hey…will try the alternate one.”
I have a Discus account, so I just always link to that one when I post elsewhere.
Could anyone please share a link of Lee Soo Man’s time outside of South Korea when he fled because he was being searched for by the Prosecutor’s Office for fraud and ended up on Interpol’s most wanted list? Please not a link from JYJ3 or the JYJfiles. We need to establish credibility by providing information from sites that won’t be accused of being biased or faulty.
“just saying” is conveniently not mentioning LSM’s filthy past and is dragging JYJ into this. Please help.
@retrokim
This is the closest thing I could find. Hope it helps.
http://www.koreaboo.com/index.html/_/general/lee-sooman-was-once-charged-of-fraud-r9141
The links from JYJ3/JYJFiles are just about the only ones that mention it specifically. I tried linking to the source on the JYJFiles article, but it is probably archived now, and the site is in Korean.
@BAF
Thanks you very much, butterfliesarefree for finding this article. I have it somewhere but at this point my files are so large and disorganized… well, I probably never would have found it. I’ve once again put it in a seemingly sensible place where I can find it again when I need it . I hope.
What’s a sister to do?