such an inspirational story. Seriously they trust C-Jes and look at the now they are happy and successful and are close to the staff and the CEO himself.I give my respect to Baek Chang Ju for supporting JYJ and sticking with them to this day
I really want to buy an english translated magazine. I hope they print those.But oh well, this is nice too XD
To Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun & Kim Junsu…From now on, please don’t hesitate to move on. You can reminisce the past but don’t linger too much on it. Just keep it as a part of history in your life & i hope you guys will enjoy something amazingly beautiful in the future ahead.
Always believe that you guys can do better!
Whoever laughs last,laugh out loud. JYJ,please enjoy the laugh.We laugh with you.Hahaha.Going through the hardship at such a young age is not a bad thing,you have so many years ahead of you that will bring you guys hapiness.We witness the facts,the fall and rise .The strength to just break free was amazing.We will be with you all the way.
Junsu should sing this song to jaechun too. fit perfectly with the article.
“Let’s stay the same as we are now and protect each other,
The unfolded future before us is so beautiful,
This loneliness of mine seems to be never-ending, but i love you,
Please always be by my side..”
I hope the boys can recover fully and have trust in ‘people’ again. The part that saddens me the most is how not even one person standed up or said anything for them and the betrayal from people they trusted the most. Imagine how popular they were and how many so called friends they must have back then. They had to take it as a painful lesson to mature/grow up. Hope all the best for them going forward. I will forever be JYJ’s fan.
Firstly – The magazine was available only for fanclub members, in Korea and Japan. Secondly – there are no new shocking stories inside. When I read the articles as they are translated one by one, it is very interesting to hear their own thoughts and details how they felt, but there is no added information that would not be known before.
I feel it is ok that no media reported about detailed contents of the magazine, because I don ´t think it would be beneficial for JYJ. Fans already know. And non-fans are not interested or would consider it as not positive, because controversies are a turn-off for celebrities images.
I think I much more prefer positive news about JYJ/individual music, musicals, dramas, popularity or fandom charity deeds. When there will be a long time without controversies and only positive news, JYJ´s chance to break into mainsteam k-media will slowly increase. No matter how much we fans could feel it would be fair that the whole world would recognize and condemn all the injustice JYJ ever met. The most important is their future and it is important to leave as much baggage behind as possible. Lets attract new fans with their talents and not scrare them away because of controversies or fanwars.
If I had a nickel for every time someone wrote in a forum “We don’t know everything yet. We have to wait until the members themselves speak. we can’t assume __________ (fill in the blank) ” I’d be a rich woman. Well, now they’ve spoken, here it is. Let’s see how many of those posters come out of the woodwork and say, “Yes, you were right. JYJ were being systematically victimized by unfair and untrue rumors and character assassination by the people they “trusted most.” I’m guessing the number is going to be right around Zero.
they won’t of course, because what you will get from haters is “they are lying”. It’s the case of the rabbit with or without hat. (The rabbit in his green hat one day was hopping around the forest, when the fox and the wolf stopped him. “Hey green hat rabbit, do you have a cig?”. “Nope,” answered the rabbit. The wolf and the fox beat him up. Next day he encounters them again. “Hey rabbit, do you have a cig?”. “yeah, sure”, says the rabbit and hands a packet of cigarettes over to the bullies. The fox glances at the wolf: “hey man, look, he’s not wearing the hat!” and so they beat him up again)
lol Yes, I see what you’re saying. And Haters will be Haters, there’s nothing much to be done about them. I don’t understand why young people with so much ahead of them would spend this amount of time so negatively focused not to mention making up things and spreading them as rumors knowing that they are lies. What a terrible derailment of a person’s future life that must be. But there’s nothing to be done about them, they are out there and that’s all I can say. But for people who genuinely are interested in knowing what happened, that’s why I’ve been researching all of this time and those people I’ll gladly chat with.
:-0
Hats of to JYJ and also to CEO. It’s nice knowing that they haven’t trusted him at all in the beginning but he made sure he slowly gained their trust. I love seeing their genuine happy smiles now. I admit that I was a DBSK fan before I became a full-pledged JYJ fan, so sometimes I feel a tinge of sadness that I can not see Changmin or Yunho’s happy smiles like I used to see in the past. But at the same time, I feel genuinely happy that JYJ can now smile so. Well someday, I hope they all can.
Moving forward, I hope to see 2013 as a great year..I see Japan has a lot of articles lately and who knows an album soon. I really want to see them promote in Japan too and give SM run for their money hehe.
I started out as a fan of DBSK too – I think a lot of us here did. But I always had a clear idea of who had the strongest potential as artists – who were the strongest singers with the most unique and identifiable voices. That’s why the minute I heard about the split and found out it was the 3 strongest members, I never had a moment’s doubt that they would succeed. The fact that the aftermath of the split got as ugly as it did because of unfair and untrue rumors and the smear campaign SM orchestrated against JYJ was therefore quite infuriating. I waited for their friends and former members to rally in their defense – the contract WAS unfair and everybody knew it — but that didn’t happen. That really made me mad. So no, I don’t really miss Homin. We have now finally learned that they clearly chose to stay with SM right from the very beginning. They knew perfectly well that would mean the end of the group. And as dutiful employees of SM, they didn’t say anything publicly so SM could keep the gigantic Cassie fandom hoping for a reunion and of course, buying product.
Well after all the hoolahs I’ve decided to become just a JYJ fan. Yeah I missed the old DBSK but I always knew the 3 were very talented. (not to say the other 2 weren’t) I should confess that for months I lurked OT5 sites..But eventually permanently stayed in JYJ. In my heart, I knew they were my bias. These 3 songwriters..actors… businessmen. Athletic..What else can’t they do.
When KYHD came out.. That was it for me. Hello JYJ and totally JYJ fan I have become, I also dont regret doing so. I see SM are frantically releasing new comebacks possibly in the hope that they establish their hold on music market. But karma works in mysterious ways… Korean public is going back to its artists roots with non-idol singers topping. SNSD topped Gaon for January yes, but with heavy promotions. Jaejoong w/ no TV appearance/promotion came in @ strong 2nd and only because he released his album 2 weeks after. I will watch out for the outcome of repackage.
” true friends will show up in times of darkness”
Pres Chang ju really is an amazing person, he took a path that is risky and opposite from what people portrayed him as not. as i read the this, he became more bigger and more beautiful in my eyes. ~no wonder the Ace fell for him, cant blamed her honestly now, and she’s blooming more nowadays~ yeah thats unnecessary but want to say anyway^^
i cant have enough thank you for Baek Chang Ju shi. somehow, i knew that in the end of 2009 were they worst time so i couldn’ t stop worried about my boys. so when i read this i felt huge gratitude for this only one person whose stand by their side for their sake.
like all of JYJ fans above me, i had never doubt my heart in supporting and loving our 3 wonderful men from the start. still continue it till endless far future..
Members by their side was the only source of salvation.
Jaejoong: “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances, the members were the only one I can trust.”
This is a clear statement and every sound minded person could get what it means so I how I wish some delusional people would stop making up stories and fanfics and disgracing his work of arts by always saying his songs (except Mine) are for so and so.”
No wonder Jaejoong and Yoochun (the tattoo boys) never hesitate to ink their members’ names on their skin and of course Junsu has them in his heart. When I recall the events, the ones when I’m already a fan – when they were suspended by Avex, their return to Korea, The Beginning release, the showcase mess especially the ones in the US, the Worldwide Concert in Seoul’s collapsed of the roof where they and the audience were freezing…..and haters were laughing saying it’s karma, that JYJ, the greedy and the betrayer was punished by heaven. What a heartbreaking journey that I felt pain within even if I was just seeing them on my monitor, can you imagine how hurt they were by then? but the journey went on, and here we are now 2013 …hats off to you boys !
@kris
“and haters were laughing saying it’s karma, that JYJ, the greedy and the betrayer was punished by heaven. ”
But it was karma. JYJ IS SM’s karma. There’s no doubt in my mind. These three were righteous in their needs and requests for a more fair contract. They tried to settle it behind closed doors. They were upstanding and well-behaved in every instance. They bad-mouthed no one, ever. And every sneaky dirty trick SM played, every single low-down rumor they started, every bit of backroom agreement to ban them they were responsible for will come back to them, in spades. This is a bad place. They are thieves and master manipulators who have the gall to label JYJ publicly as being “greedy.” In the end, they can not possibly hope to prosper.
@kris
“Jaejoong: “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances, the members were the only one I can trust.”
This is a clear statement and every sound minded person could get what it means so I how I wish some delusional people would stop making up stories and fanfics and disgracing his work of arts by always saying his songs (except Mine) are for so and so.” ”
This is kind of a P.S. to my last comment:
Let’s be very clear here. When Jaejoong says “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances….” he means HOMIN. Right at that point, my dear friends, in 2009 there was no possible rapprochement for the 5. THAT’S why they haven’t talked or been seen palling around together in the last almost FOUR YEARS.
The 2 chose SME and chose to support all their tactics right along with the choice at that point, in 2009. THAT’S why they never spoke out in defense of their hyungs as SM heaped abuse after abuse on them, banned them and shut them down at every turn.
I know I’ve been somewhat of a broken record on this subject but honestly, it was because right from the beginning I felt the members’ sense of betrayal and heartbreak so intensely. This is why I have said that I could no longer have any respect for Homin and when respect goes, I can no longer “be entertained” by them — I can no longer enjoy anything they have to offer.
Amen! I have seen Jae hanging out with Heechul but not DBSK2. I guess that speaks a lot for itself. But that’s all water under the bridge now. I am quite satisfied that their fight was not at all moot. Slow progress, is progress nonetheless. Slowly but surely!
@lilibaiyu
Please excuse my question, I’m new fan
Is there any proof that HoMin had willingness to leave w/ JYJ, and they changed their mind in the last minutes in ur words ‘Let’s be very clear here. When Jaejoong says “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances….” he means HOMIN’?
Pardon me, I’ve read in ‘the truth of TVXQ’ the rumor abt Homin changed their mind in last minutes wasn’t true.
I’m thoroughly JYJ’s fan, but considering homin’s fan have bunch of proof that homin betrayed nobody.
I’m so confused
I hope u don’t mind to explain one more time
Peace
Thing is, that website is operated by Homin fans. So they are biased. They even twisted around translations of the court hearings and the contract. … Try looking up the court hearing translations elsewhere, and compare them. I wish I could speak Korean more fluently so I could decide for myself, not having to rely on biased translations. Some people even accused JYJ’s parents of starteing the whole war out of greed for the money coming from the cosmetics contract. Seriously, any sane minded person would start to think: if it was all about gaining more money AND SM was paying them as they should have, you really think JYJ parents would willingly break TVXQ up for some extra cash from a CF?! Jesus Christ. TVXQ was a huge financial success, and if the members were lying about their income and they were millionaires under SM as Homin fans claim, then why the heck would they want to break away for a SINGLE sponsorship contract with a cosmetics brand? Sheesh, man, fans are really blind, aren’t they? No one would harm the gold laying chicken to get one gold egg when they would get gold eggs continiously with the chicken being intact. Homin fans are seriously something else, right? I hope some Korean speaking UNBIASED person would take the time once to translate the court hearings properly. Because it’s all there, on the website of the Seoul court.
dont believe the website… ‘the truth of TVXQ’ is not true
nikkyp28
@ vien
Been a silent reader for a long time and just enjoy reading posts here but I’m itching to throw my 2 cents here to answer your question. I don’t need to used all my brain cells to decipher “who” JJ was trying to pinpoint as “betrayals” – I generally lump the 2 and their SM artists family as a whole in that category. You also don’t need bias site like Truth of TVXQ or this site, yes our JYJ3 site (let’s admit people we are bias only to Jae, Yuchun, and Junsu) and It’s not a complicated calculus problems to solve either:
(1)They split. +3 left SM, -2 stayed.
(2)Among their ex-SM artists family, tell me who defended JYJ when they left? the worst thing was instead of minding their manner and staying quiet if you don’t have anything nice to say (like we are taught to do). They have to open their foul mouth and said too many hurtful things to our boys.
(3) The triggering factor that took my respect OFF the 2VXQ were not because they have of difference of views and beliefs, they are entitled to have that or that the difference in their opinion brought about the split. It’s their action after that. Was there really a need to open their mouth and talked about flock of geese flying etc. etc., defending SM in general on live broadcast while the 3 were ostracized put directly into straight jacket and banned totally into defending themselves? Darn, I can’t helped getting emotional when I think about it. The 3 were down, totally KOed from a boxing point of view and the 2 still kept on swinging and throwing an extra punch, that’s a total foul play! Oh, some die hard fans will still stick to saying: “but their agency made them say that” come on, That is an insult to my intelligence. Even a mentally challenge individual knows what’s morally right from wrong.
Add all that up and you come up with an answer to your question. That it is indeed a betrayal of trust of the worst kind.
I’ve been searching on and off almost all day long for some research documentation on the timeline of JYJ’s departure from SM because one of the posters here, vien, asked where the info came from that the 5 had decided to leave and then Homin ultimately switched sides and publicly disavowed any knowledge of the lawsuit. I did run across many of their actual remarks today and it seemed to me they were kind of playing the victim card a bit. But oh, well, nothing to be done about it now. Contrary to popular belief, I’m actually all for getting on about the business of getting JYJ back on TV and rehashing old Homin stuff gets old really fast for me, although the English translations of the JYJ Magazine were so emotionally cathartic that I probably went off on a bit of a rant yesterday in response to what I had read and for that I am sorry, in case there are those of you rolling your eyes and saying “Oh, here she goes again” under your breath. lol
vien, you’re really going to have to bear with me for a while because the awful truth is that my files are in a tangle and I have no one way to search them for specifics. I literally have to go through each document, a very time consuming process. But allow me to assure you that I have known this fact for a long time now, many others here also know it and I am putting out the call to anyone here who may actually know where we all first heard about it – please let me know.
I don’t remember the exact posting that used this information, but wouldn’t that be the piece where the attorney stated he was expecting all 5 to show up for the meeting and only JJ, YC, and JS showed up? That would indicate all 5 knew about the desire to find a way out of SM.
@BAF
” but wouldn’t that be the piece where the attorney stated he was expecting all 5 to show up for the meeting and only JJ, YC, and JS showed up? ”
Yes, quite possibly so and I have only the woeful state of my research files to blame for why I can’t immediately get that info. So frustrating. Because we all know this – we all remember that this was the case. But WHERE is the documentation one can lay one’s hands on? Buried in a huge pile of data with no way to search through it all.
So – my apologies once again to vien. It’s here somewhere. I just need to find a better way to organize my material.
“I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances..”
IA. When I read it, those two puppets were the first people who came to my mind when KJJ was referring to those who they trusted but betrayed them “under the circumstances.” When you think about it, apart from their parents, I doubt anyone else would know of their plans to bolt than these two. Then, when they realized these two were clearly under LSM’s thumb, maybe even spilling some of their plans to him, that would have been a huge blow. I am not surprised why their ability to trust ANYONE after leaving SM was severely affected; you can only have strong doubts against anyone when those whom you trusted the most are the ones who betrayed you.
Their betrayal also explains a lot of things:
1. Why they cannot come to JYJ’s defense
2. Why they wouldn’t reach out to them even after JJ revealed he attempted to
3. Why they agreed to badmouth JYJ in national TV
Let’s see, supposed I was a long-term Cassie and OT5 and these interviews suddenly come up, I wonder which “story” I would choose: those presented under the guise of a pseudo-blogger siding with a huge company that has, time and again, proven that it systematically violates the rights of its artists to milk them for all their worth (less than 2 hours of sleep a day??) OR those presented sincerely by people who have consistently shown that they are not merely after profit??By those who had everything to lose and chose to leave it all behind for a bit of longed-for freedom?
I hope all those who believe this pair of SM puppets are being forced to do/say things against JYJ would see the light and take these statements from JYJ for the simple truth that they are.
No more smokes and mirrors. JYJ have already spoken. It’s time we all accept the truth and move on.
@Jan
“I am not surprised why their ability to trust ANYONE after leaving SM was severely affected; you can only have strong doubts against anyone when those whom you trusted the most are the ones who betrayed you.”
Yes it has been a surprise to me too that some people seemed to gloss over this bombshell comment, this incredible sense of betrayal the members of JYJ had in the aftermath of the split that really had them shocked, paralyzed and unable to do anything, trust anyone for months afterwards and even then only after a long series of meetings and testings… To totally ignore that revelation and then once again come back with “but I really hope there’s a reunion someday because I’m just SURE that’s what the members want…” It just seems…. whaaaat?? Did you just read what was presented to you here at long last?? (And how long have we all been waiting for the members to speak?? Almost 4 years?!) And then to ignore what they said and keep on with the same seemingly pre-scripted cant we’ve been hearing all of this time…. well, it just makes me tired.
Thanks for the link. Attention: vien. Here’s some reading for you. Now personally, I’d rather eat nails then read the transcript of the 6.25 meeting one more time. lol I am SO DONE talking about the 6.25 meeting. That transcripts has been mis-quoted and used by antis to justify their beliefs so many times… But vien, there it is: have at it.
Now they only trust their members since they were betrayed by their trusted person!
Im proud of u honey, even after what sm n avex did to u, u still have no grudges against them bcoz u guys r happy now.. U guys r my love! I respect u guys a lot for teachs us about forgiving.. P.s. For people who betray my boys, u wil paid the price for what u did not from us or jyj but from Heaven
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on”;
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings – nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run –
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man my son!
PEACE my young brothers. The future and the world is yours.
“If you are facing in the right direction, all you need to do is to keep on walking…”
Dear JaeChunSu, since you all are definitely on the right track now…just keep on ‘walking’ and do the things that you really love to do ‘coz fans will just be here to walk with you…
Indeed they have fought a good fight, and definitely in the right direction now. Yeah, so proud to be a JYJ fan at such a time as this Yes!! We’ll keep on walking with them, praying, making joyful noise, clapping, cheering, shouting “Kim Jaejoong FIGHTING! Park Yuchun FIGHTING!, Kim Junsu FIGHTING! JYJ FIGHTING!!!” throughout the way!
i m so glad these boys had the guts to move on….It takes so much to pull together to go against this filthy company even when they r at their PRIME stage… Kudos to this boys. I know they had 10000 question pondering in head but they chose to believe in themselves n went for it.. Till these day, tht company hasnt leave them aside becuz they know without them, these trio will touch the sky cuz they haf TALENT n are really passionate in what they do…. no comments on the other 2 ex-members (never supported dbsk wen they were 5, i m glad i m just a JYJ fan)… PPL can bash these 3 for being greedy or wadsoever but NO ONE deserve to lead a life like the did before…like them, i too would rather become a farmer than being employed in tht company becuz atleast i know i will be happy, free and i wont be pushed around n used like these boys were…. JYJ guys u guys did good n in future continue to climb higher without looking backward… We as a fan will always support u guys!!!!!!
I am so happy that JYJ chose to follow their heart and dreams and left that hell whole they were!!!!! I am so happy that I became a fan of JYJ and will always support them to the end!!!!! I know that karma will come one day and bite the hell out of all those that betrayed and hurt JYJ!!!!!
Also, I just loved all the comments that you guys made in support of JYJ. I especially loved @lilibaiyu comments. Girl you and your comments rock so hard, I just love reading them, your comments just speaks volumnes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks 4 everyone of u who respond my comment
Lili, I really appreciate ur hard work to find the answer & proof 4 me
As u know I’m just a new fan
At 1st my FB friend told me abt KYHD
Then I’ve searched abt TVXQ and found the other very talented members
Sure I was searching why they separated. My FB friends lead me to the truth of TVXQ. It was quite shocking n weird.
Even my few cells brain can’t buy what they wrote. Then I’ve searched everywhere abt TVXQ & JYJ. I found out abt slavery contract, arbitrary, banning, but didn’t find any ‘legit proof’ that stand up 4 JYJ. I know it’s just my lack to do the research.
My FB friends were so active to promote TVXQ & bring JYJ down. Those 5 r charming, but I do still have ears right, my ears won’t lie which voice that I can enjoy. I’m enchanted w/ those 3 talented boys.
U r right lili, I’m here 4 the sake of music.
But I’ve been based by those ‘friends’. All of u must know what words they spelled.
By reading ur responds, it’s so painful 4 the boys. I can figure it out now (n so upset abt it).
I guess u guys r insulted w/ my request n question. I’m really sorry n don’t mean to open the old pain. I appreciate ur responds to me.
I do agree to bury this pain and move forward to shoot JYJ’s dream to be on TV. I’m w/ u
Peace
such an inspirational story. Seriously they trust C-Jes and look at the now they are happy and successful and are close to the staff and the CEO himself.I give my respect to Baek Chang Ju for supporting JYJ and sticking with them to this day
I really want to buy an english translated magazine. I hope they print those.But oh well, this is nice too XD
I second the motion…
To Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun & Kim Junsu…From now on, please don’t hesitate to move on. You can reminisce the past but don’t linger too much on it. Just keep it as a part of history in your life & i hope you guys will enjoy something amazingly beautiful in the future ahead.
Always believe that you guys can do better!
Whoever laughs last,laugh out loud. JYJ,please enjoy the laugh.We laugh with you.Hahaha.Going through the hardship at such a young age is not a bad thing,you have so many years ahead of you that will bring you guys hapiness.We witness the facts,the fall and rise .The strength to just break free was amazing.We will be with you all the way.
Junsu should sing this song to jaechun too. fit perfectly with the article.
“Let’s stay the same as we are now and protect each other,
The unfolded future before us is so beautiful,
This loneliness of mine seems to be never-ending, but i love you,
Please always be by my side..”
JYJ, my dearests! Be happy and make us proud of you! SAE HAE BOK MANI BADUSAEYO!
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I hope the boys can recover fully and have trust in ‘people’ again. The part that saddens me the most is how not even one person standed up or said anything for them and the betrayal from people they trusted the most. Imagine how popular they were and how many so called friends they must have back then. They had to take it as a painful lesson to mature/grow up. Hope all the best for them going forward. I will forever be JYJ’s fan.
Despite all the shocking stories in the magazine, I find it odd that no media reported the existence+comtent of JYJ magazine.
The media always reports even the smallest thing abt JYJ, why not abt the magazine?
We know they edited the name of CJeS CEO from Junsu’s speech. Are they being silenced by SM again?
Probably because it was a magazine only for fans…………….it’s not really purchasable by non-fans as far as I know.
Firstly – The magazine was available only for fanclub members, in Korea and Japan. Secondly – there are no new shocking stories inside. When I read the articles as they are translated one by one, it is very interesting to hear their own thoughts and details how they felt, but there is no added information that would not be known before.
I feel it is ok that no media reported about detailed contents of the magazine, because I don ´t think it would be beneficial for JYJ. Fans already know. And non-fans are not interested or would consider it as not positive, because controversies are a turn-off for celebrities images.
I think I much more prefer positive news about JYJ/individual music, musicals, dramas, popularity or fandom charity deeds. When there will be a long time without controversies and only positive news, JYJ´s chance to break into mainsteam k-media will slowly increase. No matter how much we fans could feel it would be fair that the whole world would recognize and condemn all the injustice JYJ ever met. The most important is their future and it is important to leave as much baggage behind as possible. Lets attract new fans with their talents and not scrare them away because of controversies or fanwars.
@dolphinxiah
If I had a nickel for every time someone wrote in a forum “We don’t know everything yet. We have to wait until the members themselves speak. we can’t assume __________ (fill in the blank) ” I’d be a rich woman. Well, now they’ve spoken, here it is. Let’s see how many of those posters come out of the woodwork and say, “Yes, you were right. JYJ were being systematically victimized by unfair and untrue rumors and character assassination by the people they “trusted most.” I’m guessing the number is going to be right around Zero.
they won’t of course, because what you will get from haters is “they are lying”. It’s the case of the rabbit with or without hat. (The rabbit in his green hat one day was hopping around the forest, when the fox and the wolf stopped him. “Hey green hat rabbit, do you have a cig?”. “Nope,” answered the rabbit. The wolf and the fox beat him up. Next day he encounters them again. “Hey rabbit, do you have a cig?”. “yeah, sure”, says the rabbit and hands a packet of cigarettes over to the bullies. The fox glances at the wolf: “hey man, look, he’s not wearing the hat!” and so they beat him up again)
@xiaolongimnida
lol Yes, I see what you’re saying. And Haters will be Haters, there’s nothing much to be done about them. I don’t understand why young people with so much ahead of them would spend this amount of time so negatively focused not to mention making up things and spreading them as rumors knowing that they are lies. What a terrible derailment of a person’s future life that must be. But there’s nothing to be done about them, they are out there and that’s all I can say. But for people who genuinely are interested in knowing what happened, that’s why I’ve been researching all of this time and those people I’ll gladly chat with.
:-0
Hats of to JYJ and also to CEO. It’s nice knowing that they haven’t trusted him at all in the beginning but he made sure he slowly gained their trust. I love seeing their genuine happy smiles now.
I admit that I was a DBSK fan before I became a full-pledged JYJ fan, so sometimes I feel a tinge of sadness that I can not see Changmin or Yunho’s happy smiles like I used to see in the past. But at the same time, I feel genuinely happy that JYJ can now smile so. Well someday, I hope they all can.
Moving forward, I hope to see 2013 as a great year..I see Japan has a lot of articles lately and who knows an album soon. I really want to see them promote in Japan too and give SM run for their money hehe.
@amainekochan
I started out as a fan of DBSK too – I think a lot of us here did. But I always had a clear idea of who had the strongest potential as artists – who were the strongest singers with the most unique and identifiable voices. That’s why the minute I heard about the split and found out it was the 3 strongest members, I never had a moment’s doubt that they would succeed. The fact that the aftermath of the split got as ugly as it did because of unfair and untrue rumors and the smear campaign SM orchestrated against JYJ was therefore quite infuriating. I waited for their friends and former members to rally in their defense – the contract WAS unfair and everybody knew it — but that didn’t happen. That really made me mad. So no, I don’t really miss Homin. We have now finally learned that they clearly chose to stay with SM right from the very beginning. They knew perfectly well that would mean the end of the group. And as dutiful employees of SM, they didn’t say anything publicly so SM could keep the gigantic Cassie fandom hoping for a reunion and of course, buying product.
Well after all the hoolahs I’ve decided to become just a JYJ fan. Yeah I missed the old DBSK but I always knew the 3 were very talented. (not to say the other 2 weren’t) I should confess that for months I lurked OT5 sites..But eventually permanently stayed in JYJ. In my heart, I knew they were my bias. These 3 songwriters..actors… businessmen. Athletic..What else can’t they do.
When KYHD came out.. That was it for me. Hello JYJ and totally JYJ fan I have become, I also dont regret doing so. I see SM are frantically releasing new comebacks possibly in the hope that they establish their hold on music market. But karma works in mysterious ways… Korean public is going back to its artists roots with non-idol singers topping. SNSD topped Gaon for January yes, but with heavy promotions. Jaejoong w/ no TV appearance/promotion came in @ strong 2nd and only because he released his album 2 weeks after. I will watch out for the outcome of repackage.
” true friends will show up in times of darkness”
Pres Chang ju really is an amazing person, he took a path that is risky and opposite from what people portrayed him as not. as i read the this, he became more bigger and more beautiful in my eyes. ~no wonder the Ace fell for him, cant blamed her honestly now, and she’s blooming more nowadays~ yeah thats unnecessary but want to say anyway^^
i cant have enough thank you for Baek Chang Ju shi. somehow, i knew that in the end of 2009 were they worst time so i couldn’ t stop worried about my boys. so when i read this i felt huge gratitude for this only one person whose stand by their side for their sake.
like all of JYJ fans above me, i had never doubt my heart in supporting and loving our 3 wonderful men from the start. still continue it till endless far future..
Members by their side was the only source of salvation.
Jaejoong: “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances, the members were the only one I can trust.”
This is a clear statement and every sound minded person could get what it means so I how I wish some delusional people would stop making up stories and fanfics and disgracing his work of arts by always saying his songs (except Mine) are for so and so.”
No wonder Jaejoong and Yoochun (the tattoo boys) never hesitate to ink their members’ names on their skin and of course Junsu has them in his heart. When I recall the events, the ones when I’m already a fan – when they were suspended by Avex, their return to Korea, The Beginning release, the showcase mess especially the ones in the US, the Worldwide Concert in Seoul’s collapsed of the roof where they and the audience were freezing…..and haters were laughing saying it’s karma, that JYJ, the greedy and the betrayer was punished by heaven. What a heartbreaking journey that I felt pain within even if I was just seeing them on my monitor, can you imagine how hurt they were by then? but the journey went on, and here we are now 2013 …hats off to you boys !
@kris
“and haters were laughing saying it’s karma, that JYJ, the greedy and the betrayer was punished by heaven. ”
But it was karma. JYJ IS SM’s karma. There’s no doubt in my mind. These three were righteous in their needs and requests for a more fair contract. They tried to settle it behind closed doors. They were upstanding and well-behaved in every instance. They bad-mouthed no one, ever. And every sneaky dirty trick SM played, every single low-down rumor they started, every bit of backroom agreement to ban them they were responsible for will come back to them, in spades. This is a bad place. They are thieves and master manipulators who have the gall to label JYJ publicly as being “greedy.” In the end, they can not possibly hope to prosper.
@kris @lilibaiyu
What you both said.
@kris
“Jaejoong: “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances, the members were the only one I can trust.”
This is a clear statement and every sound minded person could get what it means so I how I wish some delusional people would stop making up stories and fanfics and disgracing his work of arts by always saying his songs (except Mine) are for so and so.” ”
This is kind of a P.S. to my last comment:
Let’s be very clear here. When Jaejoong says “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances….” he means HOMIN. Right at that point, my dear friends, in 2009 there was no possible rapprochement for the 5. THAT’S why they haven’t talked or been seen palling around together in the last almost FOUR YEARS.
The 2 chose SME and chose to support all their tactics right along with the choice at that point, in 2009. THAT’S why they never spoke out in defense of their hyungs as SM heaped abuse after abuse on them, banned them and shut them down at every turn.
I know I’ve been somewhat of a broken record on this subject but honestly, it was because right from the beginning I felt the members’ sense of betrayal and heartbreak so intensely. This is why I have said that I could no longer have any respect for Homin and when respect goes, I can no longer “be entertained” by them — I can no longer enjoy anything they have to offer.
i 2nd u!
after Homin said “keeping your head down”… i can no longer accept what they did…
Amen! I have seen Jae hanging out with Heechul but not DBSK2. I guess that speaks a lot for itself. But that’s all water under the bridge now. I am quite satisfied that their fight was not at all moot. Slow progress, is progress nonetheless. Slowly but surely!
@lilibaiyu
Please excuse my question, I’m new fan
Is there any proof that HoMin had willingness to leave w/ JYJ, and they changed their mind in the last minutes in ur words ‘Let’s be very clear here. When Jaejoong says “I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances….” he means HOMIN’?
Pardon me, I’ve read in ‘the truth of TVXQ’ the rumor abt Homin changed their mind in last minutes wasn’t true.
I’m thoroughly JYJ’s fan, but considering homin’s fan have bunch of proof that homin betrayed nobody.
I’m so confused
I hope u don’t mind to explain one more time
Peace
Thing is, that website is operated by Homin fans. So they are biased. They even twisted around translations of the court hearings and the contract. … Try looking up the court hearing translations elsewhere, and compare them. I wish I could speak Korean more fluently so I could decide for myself, not having to rely on biased translations. Some people even accused JYJ’s parents of starteing the whole war out of greed for the money coming from the cosmetics contract. Seriously, any sane minded person would start to think: if it was all about gaining more money AND SM was paying them as they should have, you really think JYJ parents would willingly break TVXQ up for some extra cash from a CF?! Jesus Christ. TVXQ was a huge financial success, and if the members were lying about their income and they were millionaires under SM as Homin fans claim, then why the heck would they want to break away for a SINGLE sponsorship contract with a cosmetics brand? Sheesh, man, fans are really blind, aren’t they? No one would harm the gold laying chicken to get one gold egg when they would get gold eggs continiously with the chicken being intact. Homin fans are seriously something else, right?
I hope some Korean speaking UNBIASED person would take the time once to translate the court hearings properly. Because it’s all there, on the website of the Seoul court.
dont believe the website… ‘the truth of TVXQ’ is not true
@ vien
Been a silent reader for a long time and just enjoy reading posts here but I’m itching to throw my 2 cents here to answer your question. I don’t need to used all my brain cells to decipher “who” JJ was trying to pinpoint as “betrayals” – I generally lump the 2 and their SM artists family as a whole in that category. You also don’t need bias site like Truth of TVXQ or this site, yes our JYJ3 site (let’s admit people we are bias only to Jae, Yuchun, and Junsu) and It’s not a complicated calculus problems to solve either:
(1)They split. +3 left SM, -2 stayed.
(2)Among their ex-SM artists family, tell me who defended JYJ when they left? the worst thing was instead of minding their manner and staying quiet if you don’t have anything nice to say (like we are taught to do). They have to open their foul mouth and said too many hurtful things to our boys.
(3) The triggering factor that took my respect OFF the 2VXQ were not because they have of difference of views and beliefs, they are entitled to have that or that the difference in their opinion brought about the split. It’s their action after that. Was there really a need to open their mouth and talked about flock of geese flying etc. etc., defending SM in general on live broadcast while the 3 were ostracized put directly into straight jacket and banned totally into defending themselves? Darn, I can’t helped getting emotional when I think about it. The 3 were down, totally KOed from a boxing point of view and the 2 still kept on swinging and throwing an extra punch, that’s a total foul play! Oh, some die hard fans will still stick to saying: “but their agency made them say that” come on, That is an insult to my intelligence. Even a mentally challenge individual knows what’s morally right from wrong.
Add all that up and you come up with an answer to your question. That it is indeed a betrayal of trust of the worst kind.
@nickyp28 and @vien
I’ve been searching on and off almost all day long for some research documentation on the timeline of JYJ’s departure from SM because one of the posters here, vien, asked where the info came from that the 5 had decided to leave and then Homin ultimately switched sides and publicly disavowed any knowledge of the lawsuit. I did run across many of their actual remarks today and it seemed to me they were kind of playing the victim card a bit. But oh, well, nothing to be done about it now. Contrary to popular belief, I’m actually all for getting on about the business of getting JYJ back on TV and rehashing old Homin stuff gets old really fast for me, although the English translations of the JYJ Magazine were so emotionally cathartic that I probably went off on a bit of a rant yesterday in response to what I had read and for that I am sorry, in case there are those of you rolling your eyes and saying “Oh, here she goes again” under your breath. lol
vien, you’re really going to have to bear with me for a while because the awful truth is that my files are in a tangle and I have no one way to search them for specifics. I literally have to go through each document, a very time consuming process. But allow me to assure you that I have known this fact for a long time now, many others here also know it and I am putting out the call to anyone here who may actually know where we all first heard about it – please let me know.
Thanks!
@lilibaiyu
I don’t remember the exact posting that used this information, but wouldn’t that be the piece where the attorney stated he was expecting all 5 to show up for the meeting and only JJ, YC, and JS showed up? That would indicate all 5 knew about the desire to find a way out of SM.
@BAF
” but wouldn’t that be the piece where the attorney stated he was expecting all 5 to show up for the meeting and only JJ, YC, and JS showed up? ”
Yes, quite possibly so and I have only the woeful state of my research files to blame for why I can’t immediately get that info. So frustrating. Because we all know this – we all remember that this was the case. But WHERE is the documentation one can lay one’s hands on? Buried in a huge pile of data with no way to search through it all.
So – my apologies once again to vien. It’s here somewhere. I just need to find a better way to organize my material.
@lilibaiyu
“I was betrayed by the people whom I really trusted and under such circumstances..”
IA. When I read it, those two puppets were the first people who came to my mind when KJJ was referring to those who they trusted but betrayed them “under the circumstances.” When you think about it, apart from their parents, I doubt anyone else would know of their plans to bolt than these two. Then, when they realized these two were clearly under LSM’s thumb, maybe even spilling some of their plans to him, that would have been a huge blow. I am not surprised why their ability to trust ANYONE after leaving SM was severely affected; you can only have strong doubts against anyone when those whom you trusted the most are the ones who betrayed you.
Their betrayal also explains a lot of things:
1. Why they cannot come to JYJ’s defense
2. Why they wouldn’t reach out to them even after JJ revealed he attempted to
3. Why they agreed to badmouth JYJ in national TV
Let’s see, supposed I was a long-term Cassie and OT5 and these interviews suddenly come up, I wonder which “story” I would choose: those presented under the guise of a pseudo-blogger siding with a huge company that has, time and again, proven that it systematically violates the rights of its artists to milk them for all their worth (less than 2 hours of sleep a day??) OR those presented sincerely by people who have consistently shown that they are not merely after profit??By those who had everything to lose and chose to leave it all behind for a bit of longed-for freedom?
I hope all those who believe this pair of SM puppets are being forced to do/say things against JYJ would see the light and take these statements from JYJ for the simple truth that they are.
No more smokes and mirrors. JYJ have already spoken. It’s time we all accept the truth and move on.
@Jan
“I am not surprised why their ability to trust ANYONE after leaving SM was severely affected; you can only have strong doubts against anyone when those whom you trusted the most are the ones who betrayed you.”
Yes it has been a surprise to me too that some people seemed to gloss over this bombshell comment, this incredible sense of betrayal the members of JYJ had in the aftermath of the split that really had them shocked, paralyzed and unable to do anything, trust anyone for months afterwards and even then only after a long series of meetings and testings… To totally ignore that revelation and then once again come back with “but I really hope there’s a reunion someday because I’m just SURE that’s what the members want…” It just seems…. whaaaat?? Did you just read what was presented to you here at long last?? (And how long have we all been waiting for the members to speak?? Almost 4 years?!) And then to ignore what they said and keep on with the same seemingly pre-scripted cant we’ve been hearing all of this time…. well, it just makes me tired.
@lilibaiyu
About info on Homin changing their mind about leaving SM with Jaechunsu, it’s mentioned in the JYJ Files here, about the 6.25 meeting http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/the-6-25-meeting-summary-and-explanation/#comments. Check out the time stamp 8:58. I’m not sure if there are other documentation besides this though.
@OnlyJYJ
Thanks for the link.
Attention: vien. Here’s some reading for you. Now personally, I’d rather eat nails then read the transcript of the 6.25 meeting one more time. lol I am SO DONE talking about the 6.25 meeting. That transcripts has been mis-quoted and used by antis to justify their beliefs so many times… But vien, there it is: have at it.
Now they only trust their members since they were betrayed by their trusted person!
Im proud of u honey, even after what sm n avex did to u, u still have no grudges against them bcoz u guys r happy now.. U guys r my love! I respect u guys a lot for teachs us about forgiving.. P.s. For people who betray my boys, u wil paid the price for what u did not from us or jyj but from Heaven
To Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu…
Rudyard Kipling
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on”;
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings – nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run –
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man my son!
PEACE my young brothers. The future and the world is yours.
@BAF
Yep. THAT’S what it is.
xxoo
Congratulation JYJ! Move on boys, don’t look back and don’t bother what’s people gogsips about you.
You learn the lesson from the past but don’t think a lot about this anymore. Now you got the freedom, you can do whatever you love to do.
The main point was you won the lawsuite and Baek Chang Ju respect you.
I looking forward to see all the activities from three of you in 2013.
Keep fighting JYJ! I never miss DVD of your albums,dramas ect.. from “The Begining” I bought it on line. I alway a fan of JYJ.
they were always my fav members and they still r and they will always be ..jyj foreva
yes jyj forever…. we have to always keep the faith…
Reblogged this on murasaki 紫 and commented:
I knew my choice in following JYJ is right!
So this basically confirmed that they’re the one who established C-JeS?
Not that I’m surprised. I always thought so.
Anyway, congrats to the boys.
You guys have no idea how proud I am of how much you accomplished especially in 2012.
I thought so, when I read this. I’m Happy for them
in a way jyj have their own company, right?
This Is realky amazing
“If you are facing in the right direction, all you need to do is to keep on walking…”
Dear JaeChunSu, since you all are definitely on the right track now…just keep on ‘walking’ and do the things that you really love to do ‘coz fans will just be here to walk with you…
@micky07,
Indeed they have fought a good fight, and definitely in the right direction now. Yeah, so proud to be a JYJ fan at such a time as this
Yes!! We’ll keep on walking with them, praying, making joyful noise, clapping, cheering, shouting “Kim Jaejoong FIGHTING! Park Yuchun FIGHTING!, Kim Junsu FIGHTING! JYJ FIGHTING!!!” throughout the way! 
i m so glad these boys had the guts to move on….It takes so much to pull together to go against this filthy company even when they r at their PRIME stage… Kudos to this boys. I know they had 10000 question pondering in head but they chose to believe in themselves n went for it.. Till these day, tht company hasnt leave them aside becuz they know without them, these trio will touch the sky cuz they haf TALENT n are really passionate in what they do…. no comments on the other 2 ex-members (never supported dbsk wen they were 5, i m glad i m just a JYJ fan)… PPL can bash these 3 for being greedy or wadsoever but NO ONE deserve to lead a life like the did before…like them, i too would rather become a farmer than being employed in tht company becuz atleast i know i will be happy, free and i wont be pushed around n used like these boys were…. JYJ guys u guys did good n in future continue to climb higher without looking backward… We as a fan will always support u guys!!!!!!
I am so happy that JYJ chose to follow their heart and dreams and left that hell whole they were!!!!! I am so happy that I became a fan of JYJ and will always support them to the end!!!!! I know that karma will come one day and bite the hell out of all those that betrayed and hurt JYJ!!!!!
Also, I just loved all the comments that you guys made in support of JYJ. I especially loved @lilibaiyu comments. Girl you and your comments rock so hard, I just love reading them, your comments just speaks volumnes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@flower
Wow! Thanks, Flower!
xxoo
@lilibaiyu you are so very welcome!!!!!!!!
Thanks 4 everyone of u who respond my comment
Lili, I really appreciate ur hard work to find the answer & proof 4 me
As u know I’m just a new fan
At 1st my FB friend told me abt KYHD
Then I’ve searched abt TVXQ and found the other very talented members
Sure I was searching why they separated. My FB friends lead me to the truth of TVXQ. It was quite shocking n weird.
Even my few cells brain can’t buy what they wrote. Then I’ve searched everywhere abt TVXQ & JYJ. I found out abt slavery contract, arbitrary, banning, but didn’t find any ‘legit proof’ that stand up 4 JYJ. I know it’s just my lack to do the research.
My FB friends were so active to promote TVXQ & bring JYJ down. Those 5 r charming, but I do still have ears right, my ears won’t lie which voice that I can enjoy. I’m enchanted w/ those 3 talented boys.
U r right lili, I’m here 4 the sake of music.
But I’ve been based by those ‘friends’. All of u must know what words they spelled.
By reading ur responds, it’s so painful 4 the boys. I can figure it out now (n so upset abt it).
I guess u guys r insulted w/ my request n question. I’m really sorry n don’t mean to open the old pain. I appreciate ur responds to me.
I do agree to bury this pain and move forward to shoot JYJ’s dream to be on TV. I’m w/ u
Peace