During recent promotional activities, Yunho and Changmin were asked questions not only about their new music but also about the apparently strained relationship between themselves and JYJ.
According to translated reports from Worldwide Daily News and National Daily News, the-youngest-one-in-curls, here thereafter referred to as Changmin, used the analogy about geese leaving the flock to describe how 3 members of TVXQ left SM.
Translated reports say that Changmin said the following:
“When a swarm of geese prepare to migrate, they never forget to make the correct formation. I don’t think it’s right when a few of the geese who chose to broke away still considered themselves as part of the flock.”
Links about the comments were all over twitter in the wake of Changmin’s purported analogy. If this translation is correct — and apparently its been checked and rechecked — Changmin may not necessarily understand the true nature of geese.
Based on various online sources about the nature of geese, they don’t necessarily always ostracize any goose who may find itself (or themselves) removed from the flock. Geese are incredibly loyal to each other. Even as pairs, they pair up early and are monogamous until one or both of them die. Geese don’t generally split off from the larger flock for no reason at all.
In other words, geese fall out of their flock for dire reasons, like being wounded or being severely sick; not just because they felt like flying in another direction.
What’s more interesting is that, again according to online sources, if one goose has to leave the flock, about two other geese usually leave with him/her and stay until he/she has either recovered or died.
From Veganpeace.com:
Geese have strong affections for others in their group. If a goose gets sick or is wounded, a couple of other geese may drop out of formation to help and protect him. They will try to stay with the disabled goose until he dies or is able to fly again. They will then either fly together or join another formation to catch up with their group.
If the information about the nature of geese is correct, the flock doesn’t necessarily say ‘screw you’ to the goose or geese that got separated. The flock doesn’t necessarily tell the separated geese to solve it’s problem with the head geese before they can come back.
I suppose the “wound” in this TVXQ analogy are the metaphorical ones they suffered from SM. But the other 2 didn’t drop out of formation to help and protect each other.
All of this is interesting, but TVXQ are not geese. They are human beings with many dimensions. They can choose what to do and, unlike geese, make independent decisions about in which direction to move.
Don’t presume that I’m picking on Changmin, but some things need to be said. And what I’m about to say is a bit difficult to realize for me, but its still true: Yunho and Changmin have publicly sided with SM, not their group members. That’s fine. They’re grown men who can make their own decisions about what they want to do.
This is not somebody else’s problem to fix. Everything won’t be fine once the 3 ‘come back’ to the place they had to leave to begin with… unless people who were in charge at the time have now been fired. Those 3 geese left for a dire reason. And it’s those 3 who have consistently poured their hearts out to the members who choose a different path.
I’ve been laughing since people first pointed this out. Shim Cheolsae-yah~ this is gonna haunt you forever~
Cheolsae> Now now.. what does Cheolsae mean my dear? Educate me 😀
Cheolsae = migratory bird, or in this case, the geese. It’s what Changmin said in the interview, so some fans call him Shim Cheolsae now
OMG see I said the EXACT SAME THING. Finally someone seen what I seen in his correlation.
I witness geese all the time on my campus (I think they pay tuition like they’re literately a demographic at my college lol) and I watch them and gained an interest in them from them being present at my campus.
When he made that correlation I was like “What? that don’t even make sense” lol.
I actually remember you saying the same thing about the geese! LOL, I’m on this site wayyy too much. I’m starting to recognize certain usernames now. =P
A+ response. Changmin needs to learn a little more I see.
From now on instead of WTF i am saying WTG
what the geese
Hopefully Voldamin will learn
This is why I love fans because they can bring everything in every article into something educational.
And I just love the last paragraph.
You have said it all.
Thank you
They’re not really discussing the nature of geese because of a metaphor, do they? O___o 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
they are cause it was used incorrectly.^^
I know it was used incorrectly, what I wanted to say with my comment is that they don’t have any better to do than discussing the nature of geese? Just because of a sentence in an interview? LOL
Yes, because it becomes another metaphor which shows that geese actually exhibit behavior which is based on caring and love contrary to how some people behave.
I know but don’t they have any better to do than discussing the nature of geese? Just because of a sentence in an interview? They could simply said that Minnie was rude with his comment. LOL
I think the point of the article is about how Changmin misunderstand the nature of the geese, cuz this perhaps lead him to misunderstaning the objectives of JYJ filed the lawsuite.
I don’t think this is a waste of time though.
p.s. I know what you are coming from, so this is just my two cent.
@vik720 aren’t you glad we learned something new?
it’s better than saying minnie is rude (just my opinion) learning is not a waste of time i guess though.. 🙂
because i’m giving him the benefit that he’s just being blunt.. but when he is 40 or something and look back he might think that he shouldn’t have said that..
Schooled! Like this. Somebody outta forward that tidbit of info to Changmin. Usually before people get interviewed they get coached on things that are safe to say and things that they should avoid. Junsu walking out after being questioned about that tweet was probably a unconscious reaction to not being prepared for that question. Regardless, whoever is coaching HoMin really needs to step their game up becuase these guys are getting sloppy~~
very wall said….
Yes. Changmin, do not insult the geese. They are apparently much loyal than some people though I am not mentioning any names here.
thts why i really just laughed at Changmin geese comments. Seriously knw ur info before you talk.
nothin changmin says makes sense =.=
He’s actually double insulting them…
It’s like he’s saying that didn’t even have the decency to act like real geese (real geese would never leave the flock on their own). So the wounded part doesn’t count cause he’s not saying they were hurt..even though they’re saying they were. He’s saying they just left for their own desires. Its a double edge insult.
You know, that actually makes sense.
Yeah, people think he’s wrong (that he doesn’t know anything about geese) its not that he doesn’t know…he’s just insulting them more than people understand.
I think you are completely right!!!!!
To the one cannot be named, watch your mouths!!! Both of you are just contradicting yourselves…..We fans are not 2-years-old baby who knows nothing expect to eat, cry and sleep!!! lol
1st – KYHD lyrics and fingers vs anger faces during performances
2nd – Thanx to messages vs misunderstanding in interpreting tweets
3rd – duno for whatever reasons JYJ left (as if you both duno when the 5 have lived together for 5 years! lol)
4th – geese story
5th – phone text messages vs changed numbers (were informed after the lawsuit)
6th – inhuman words vs gangster ‘family’
7th – pride vs fame
These people needs to go back to primary school to take up some MORAL lessons!!!
Sorry for being harsh but I cant bear it anymore….the legend is completely gone no matter how the 2 try to protect it!!!
You have gut to speak up your opinion, I’m totally agree with you .
HoMin were so wrong from the beginning. They’ve changed .
I’m really touched reading about geese story.
We should learn from them .
lol this boy..obviously he knows nothing about geese
seriously
i can’t even….>.<
changmin ah… research first your speech before going on the public to talk… because if you don`t ,. you`ll end up as a laughing stock of everyone…
p.s:
you`ll be forever haunted by your actions…
wow..poor boy try to maturity! that is lesson for you! fans in this fandom not onlly excited girls love hot face boys, fans are realy have brain and different talent..only few month I learn alot from this fandom,you have few years still can not understand that?..
uh~ this reminds me of one segment in AADBSK 2: the cooking show where Junsu and Changmin played the game “insulting each other” …
Junsu said: “You look like a BOY who pretends to be grown-up”
True this Junsu, you could say to Changmin again that 4 years after AADBSK2, Changmin still tries hard, but somehow he still fails again.
Well, there are a lot of people who are soooo clever and intellectual, but that doesn’t make them wise nor a person with good heart as well.
really! yes now he need that advice again!!
So agreed with this. Some people defend him (I still can’t gate him but I need to say what is right and wrong) and say he’s still young and he’s typed B blood so he’s quite blunt. Oh my god, I have never seen a stupid reasons to defend someone. Oh, yes, he’s still young bt not so young to talk like that TO HIS BROTHERS (he’s same age as me) and abt blood type, WTF is all abt being blunt coz of blood type? Yes, it may be true bt not to all and may not be true to him either. Gosh, can’t believe people just try to make things in a beautiful way. Maybe it’s his character, that reason is more understandable.
I agree that just shows their side, they want to stay with SM. What is all waiting for them to come back to TVXQ? To where? Your great SM? Can’t believe he could actually say that after JYJ has been suffered from all the shits of what so called SMers.
Oh, I hate people who is biased but pretend to support the 5 and try to find any faults of JYJ to comment on. I don’t comment or read Homin articles coz I ignore them, I don’t have any interest in reading those articles.
Some people on DBSKnights and some people wrote blogs and said “JYJ should go back to SM so all 5 can be together” and “I sometimes wish JYJ to fail the lawsuit and go back to DBSK at SM”. Omg, I cant believe they really said that, do they think lawsuit is a joke? And after all these, why should they go back? Why why why (for those people who have that thought and wander here, please tell me why)? I rather have JYJ alone than for them to come back to that hell. So yes, I don’t care abt the name or whatever, I only care abt Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu and JYJ, (even if they change their name later).
yes I think a same think with you when I read some comments like that.I don`t know what they are thinking,when all the thing happen like that to JYJ..I can not understand..really..
that’s what we call selfishness..
some fans are sooooo hooked with them being five that they forgot to think about the main reason of the lawsuit after all..
if they go back to TVXQ now..
trust me.. things just wont be the same anymore..
after all the chaos..
it needs time to heal especially when the accusation comes from someone that you once call family..
There was actually a memebwer of omona who said those very word, ansd too bad I couldnt comment because IO wanted to rip her a new one. There are even people who applaud Yunho for saying to JYJ “come back quickly”, how can they applaud something like this? I think that Homin are using the 5/protectingbthe ttvxq name to gain new fans who dont really understand much about the lawsuit. Why would ANYONE want JYJ to go back to sment? Are Homin blind to ways SMent treated JYJ during and after the lawsuit? Playing as dirty as they could to try and bring them down? I can see through yunho’s words and I dont find anything good about what he said. He isnt being a good leader, he’s an SMent follower. I always knew that Homin fansd tried to brush off the seriousness of the lawsuit to make Sment and therefore Homin look better, but now that I see Homin is doing the same…I cant support them.
As for Changmin, he’s letting his emotions get to him. Whatever bitter feelings he has towards JYJ is severly blinding his judgment. As another user mentioned, the fact that he is able to mistake the reason for the geese leaving the flock, just shows how much about the entire situation that Homin is willing to ignore. He should watch his words, theyre making themselves look worse day after day.
My only consolation in this is that Changmin does seem to have very strong feelings on the issue. That means there were strong feelings between them to start out with. People you don’t care about, can’t hurt you.
@Eliza very true. He seems so ANGRY, almost hateful. And how thin is the line between love and hate? I just wish he would stop his angry for a second and THINK! He definitely feels betrayed by JYJ, but thats because he cant seperate himself from that company.
“Oh, I hate people who is biased but pretend to support the 5 and try to find any faults of JYJ to comment on.”
THIS!!! oh babe, you and I are totally on the same level!!! Lol
They who said JYJ should go back to SM was not a true fan, since they didn’t knew how much effort JYJ did just to sue SM. Maybe they’re blilnd, could U imagine what SM would do to JYJ if their lawsuit fail? God, please protect JYJ…
I don’t want JYJ to go back to SME. Hasn’t it occurred to these people that JYJ returning to SME doesn’t necessarily mean that things would go back to the way they used to? It would just probably get worst, in my opinion. The costs of the lawsuit and the damages SME suffered, do they think that if JYJ comes back to SME, all that would go away? SME would probably make them pay and I don’t mean that in a good way. And returning back to HoMin and trying to become chummy with other SME artists…imagine the awkwardness and the sense of distrust and just…I don’t know, but if being TVXQ again means the same TVXQ in their last performances of 2009, I’d rather they not be together.
I would have liked to see TVXQ as five but if that means going back to SME and pretending that “everything is fine and we are all happy” even if they aren’t, I don’t want to see those type of faces anymore. I want JYJ to be happy. Not “we are happy” in front of the cameras but that they are really genuinely happy.
YEAH THOSE AT DBSKNIGHTS ARE REALLY TVXQ5 BIASED.. THEY ONLY REPORT GOOD THINGS ABOUT TVXQ.. NOT THOSE ARTICLES THAT CAN DESTROY BOTH SIDES…
oh my goodness… my sentiment exactly
esp this “JYJ should go back to SM so all 5 can be together” and “I sometimes wish JYJ to fail the lawsuit and go back to DBSK at SM”
really, how selfish can those ppl be??!?!? just so you can see your fav group be back as 5, you dont care that they suffer, you dont care that they’re being mistreated… im so dumbfounded thinking about those ppl.
I really dont care anymore…as long as Jaejoong, Yuchun, Junsu are healthy and happy, then its fine with me
yess!! all i care about now is our three precious boys to be healthy and happy forever!!
Changmin ah… 😦 I don’t know what to say, but I wish he hadn’t even made the analogy in the first place. Of all things to compare, you compare humans against animals. They’re 2 very different things, so where’s the basis for comparison?
Now its even more :S that he interpreted the animals behavious incorrectly *sighs*
acting mature and teaching someone a lesson is a good thing.. but we should realize that when you teach someone a lesson make sure you know what you are talking about and won’t make a fool of yourself.. ~~~ but in this situation, it only shows that no matter how mature looking you are, your head doesn’t seems like it.. you’re just making a fool of yourself in PUBLIC.
watching geese in Great Migration at NatGeo wild channel.. XD
Geez… Min’s international un-cute phail. It’s not like people will coo and say how cute this misunderstanding is. The metaphor to diss his own brothers is too much. It’s funny y’know to find a lot of mistakes in one interview XD Show us much of how ridiculously immature “the plot” they have.
i wanna kill myself that used to like homin. I feel sorry for JYJ so much. I’m sorry jyj……
don’t kill yourself ^^ just support JYJ more =)
wonderfully written. 🙂
Oh my. Poor Changmin. People making fun of him because of what he said. Not that I care though. (oh, that sounds mean.)
I don’t get the excuse of Changmin being young. Yes, he is the maknae of the group but he’s what? 22/23 already right? (I’m only a year younger and I already consider myself old.) I thought Changmin already grew up (physically, mentally, and emotionally) turned out that I’m wrong.
I dont get the point of acting mature and trying to sound smart and teaching lessons to ppl around…this is a general point, not esp about Changmin
…
and I really dont want to think much about the analogy made. what i care about most is how how how this happened?
korean are supposed to be really keen about respect to your elders. its a big thing in their culture. so follow that thought, JYJ are all older than changmin, and Jaejoong is older than Yunho. despite all else, shouldnt they show a little more respect?
from now on Changmin is equal to geese? LOL the GEESE will haunt you forever Shim Changmin….Be scared of the geese~~~~ LOL XD