A few days ago, it came to our attention that JYJ19.com has made an official announcement with regards to JYJ3 on its website. This is the translation of the announcement:
We prohibit the transfer of all materials of JYJ19 to the website JYJ3 (http://jyj3.net). The reasons are as follows.
– Modification of the material without (prior) notice.
– Failure to cite the source.
– Modification of the credits.
Due to the above reasons, we prohibit the posting of all JYJ19.com materials until the website apologizes publicly and posts an official notification of rectification.
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This is a rehash over a series of emails exchanged over a single post on JYJ3. Since this issue was made public, we want to reproduce the email that triggered the exchange in this post. The summary of the incident is as follows:
On August 7, 2011, JYJ3 translated and posted a comic strip created by JYJ19 (see here. This post was originally taken down but we have temporarily made it public for this purpose). The comic strip left the original markings/signature of JYJ19 intact and also added the following words: “Credit: as tagged + DoctorJaee + JYJ3.”
On August 9, we received an email from JYJ19 that read in full as follows (emphasis added in bold):
Hello, this is JYJ’s korean fansite JYJ19.com, 핥(Halt).
Recently, I received a report about this picture(Fan art) by my email.
This picture spread after it has drew in our site, there is source(halt) its left corner.
I don’t think you didn’t know original source because you translated every Korean sentences into English.
But “jyj3” site left out the original source of that picture, and they spread it with wrong source(as tagged + DoctorJaee + JYJ3).
We recognize this really seriously, and we are going to enter a protest about the wrong action.
The “source” is the most important and sensitive thing to JYJ’s Korean Fansite.
Especially, I received lots of report about data of JYJ19.com spread with wrong source(JYJ3), we can’t pass this anymore.
We require.
1.When you copy the material of JYJ19.com, PLEASE write the correct source.
2.We ban the words “Share by JYJ3”.
(In this case, materials of JYJ19.com spread with wrong source(JYJ3))
If you can’t follow this 2 rules, we ban our all materials to JYJ3 site.
We are glad to understand and to share our materials with foreigner fans.
But, it’s wrong that our data spread with wrong ways.
Except these, please send me mail if you have any question.
(master@jyj19.com)
Thank you.
First, JYJ19 was incorrect in its assertion that JYJ3 spread the material in question “with the wrong source.” To write something to be “as tagged” is to credit the original marking on the fanart. This is a common way of citing on international fansites. We can understand if JYJ19 prefers that we cite them as “JYJ19” and not “as tagged,” and if that request had been made we would have honored it immediately.
Second, JYJ19 did not want JYJ3 to put “shared by JYJ3” on materials from JYJ19 (while leaving the credits intact). While it was their freedom to request so, we thought this was extremely unusual and stripping of our effort in finding and translating the material.
We explained the above to JYJ19. JYJ19 replied back, saying that they did not agree.
At this point, the JYJ3 Team decided that arguing with a fansite was simply not on our list of priorities. Further, to refrain from posting materials from any individual small-scale website, while regrettable, would not noticeably impact JYJ3 because we can compensate from a vast array of other sources. Thus, immediately receiving JYJ19’s reply email, we promptly stopped posting all materials from them. Thus, it has been close to two full months since this incident occurred and anything of JYJ19 posted on JYJ3.
The above is the full extent of what has happened. Thank you.
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We rehash the short but tiring incident because JYJ19’s announcement misrepresents us. It argues that JYJ3 had committed three offenses:
– (1) Modification of the material without (prior) notice.
– (2) Failure to cite the source.
– (3) Modification of the credits.
The first point, we will discuss last. As for the second point (“failure to cite the source”), we explained above that to cite “As tagged” properly identifies the original creator to be JYJ19. We also explained that while the author is free to request that their name be specified and we would have complied, our having cited the particular comic “as tagged” was not omission/removal of JYJ19 as the source. Thus, it was incorrect for JYJ19 to claim publicly that we had done so.
As for the third point (“modification of the credits”), JYJ3 did modify the credits by adding the translator and ourselves. This is standard. When JYJ3 or any other international fansite translates an article or work, we add ourselves to them. Furthermore, JYJ3 and most other international fansites add variations of “Shared by: JYJ3” because we have gone through the effort of locating and posting the material. Sometimes the original author can request that we refrain from doing so, but since we did not want to do that, we simply decided to not post JYJ19 materials. In other words, it was incorrect for JYJ19 to cite JYJ3’s modification of the credits as if it was an offense.
To return to the first point (“modification of the material without prior notice”)—it is true that JYJ3 translated and posted the JYJ19 comic without notifying JYJ19 in advance. However, as long as the citation states the original source, it is standard and accepted in academic, professional, and of course in fandom circles to translate and to post others’ works without first asking them. JYJ3, like every other fansite, translates news without asking permission from the publication. Many Korean and international fansites for JYJ routinely reposts from JYJ3 without notifying us first. In fact, this is true for literally almost every website that exists that deal with the members of JYJ, both on Korean web and the international web. All academic and professional writing regularly cite sources without asking the original source for permission.
JYJ3 regularly translates news and materials from the Korean web because that is why we exist. We usually do not ask prior permission but always credit the creator/source. The usual reaction by the original creator is one of joy and happiness at sharing their love for JYJ with the world. (For a recent example, please see here. The title reads: “Wow, Sandy-nim’s post has ventured out abroad! Congratulations~”)
In sum, to translate and post without prior permission is normal in virtually every realm of publishing. It was incorrect for JYJ19 to cite that act as if it was an offense.
We will not ask JYJ19 for a public apology for misrepresenting us publicly over a single incident that took place two months ago. Our wish is to minimize the time we spend on matters that are not related to JYJ themselves. We however hope that this clears up any confusion for our readers.
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JYJ3 is extremely committed to sharing the news and media of JYJ with the international fandom. We are the leader in web traffic and the speed and volume of information among all international fansites that exists in the fandom today. It has always been our goal to have the international web actually approximate the Korean web in terms of speed and volume of information available, and we are extremely proud to say that the goal has not been a mere dream on JYJ3 for many months. And we’ve been in turn rewarded with an amazing family in JYJ3 who are educated on JYJ and always willing to stand up for their fight.
Of course, we cannot do it alone. The JYJ3 Team is small and we are not in Korea. Thus we source almost all of our photos, fanaccounts, videos and other fun items from a multitude of individuals and fansites and we’re truly grateful for their hard work. Thus, we have always given credit where credit is due and never before, until this instance which we believe to be unfair, have we been confronted with the allegation that we failed to provide proper credit.
Certainly, a fansite has the right to dictate the terms in which they are credited. If it requests a certain style, we will always comply, or if we are unable to or unwilling to comply, we simply do not post their work. This has always been our policy and this incident was no exception.
It is well known that JYJ3 is not universally loved. We are the first prominent website to support JYJ only and not 5VXQ. This has made us passionately hated in some circles, and our readers see the hatred daily in the form of rated-down posts. We are also sometimes openly maligned and attacked by the admins of other fansites. Despite this, JYJ3 has NEVER prohibited anyone – even those that openly show their hatred for JYJ3– from sharing our posts. Furthermore, it is extremely common for many smaller international websites to simply take our entire post and repost them on their websites, post after post. It takes us a long time to look for pictures to post and to translate articles, but we have always welcomed everyone to share our materials. That is because, in the long run, it is a win-win for JYJ: Other fansites may share posts from our site, but in turn, we also share posts from their sites, and more people in the world get to enjoy JYJ. While some websites enjoy the power to shun fansites with views different from theirs from posting their materials, we are happy that our posts are being shared and that news and media pertaining to JYJ is being spread in many corners of the web, thereby strengthening and growing JYJ’s fandom base. After all, we know that it takes a village to build the great JYJ community that is currently in place.
In conclusion, we’d like to thank all the individual fans and the fansites that have contributed materials to share with JYJ fandom. JYJ3 will continue to serve fandom to the best of our ability and with a little help from our friends.
Thank you.
ha *re-reads*
Okay ^^
I agree with everything you guys just said. “As tagged” clearly credits them, as is standard practice. And if you guys went to the trouble of translating everything, of course you should put yourself in the credit. I don’t get why they are bitching over this matter. Specially if you guys had already taken the post down.
CLAP CLAP CLAP welldone ladys
I am proud of you JYJ family fighting
i see nothing wrong in what jyj3 did. it probably wasn’t the way they wanted to be credited but they were credited nevertheless. they should have specified the way they wanted to be cited from the beginning.
i’ll forever be grateful to jyj3, mia who started the site and every staff member behind jyj3. during that stressful period (fan wars, etc) of transitioning out of the 5tvxq fandom, jyj3 became a happy place for us who have decided to support just jaejoong, yoochun, and junsu. though you may have haters, the love from the fans here greatly overpowers the hate, rest assured.
in the end, we are all jyj fans. in a time when our three boys need a strong united fandom, i don’t understand why some choose to be selfish and start arguments that in the end won’t benefit jyj.
wow, the last part… :’) I feel like JYJ3 is really a JYJ Family who cares for the boys, and for us – fans, so much. Thank you guys for your hard work, we will always appreciate it :*
Agreed!
I have always been grateful and happy with all the information that the JYJ3 team gathers and shares, so thank you! I have not noticed anything abnormal about the way JYJ3 cites (it’s practically identical to any other fan site) so the other site’s actions are kind of surprising. However, I have not noticed any difference or lack in posts with the exclusion of JYJ19, therefore I am in support of your decision to simply not use their posts.
This whole thing between JYJ19 (/ jyj_halta) and you, JYJ3 (/ jyj3official) is a big miscommunication that gets lost in translation from Korean to English and vice versa
I hope this issue gets resolved and you guys the best in remaining on good terms
JYJ fandom sites need to stay united and together and not be separated.
Granted this should not be the main focus and problem between sites but it still is a problem.
HWAITING~!
I have noticed a lot of posts being rated down and found it strange. But we all really appreciate the work JYJ3 does because like stated it is all a win-win for JYJ!
korean fans need to learn that they are not the only one who love the boys. when they need int fans help in protect jyj, we are ready to be there, BUT its because we love the boys too, and know very well that, jyj should unit together to protect jyj. But what korean fans do recently really no help to jyj. they dont want to share info, dont want int fans site to post their article… its NOT help to JYJ at all. korean fans need to learn how to share the love and dont be selfish
and thank you so much for waht you have done, jyj3 admin. you guys work so hard. just continue your awsome works. its how we show our love for the boys
I get the feeling that someone who is fully bilingual korean/english needs to have a chat with jyj19 admins and explain to them in terms they will understand just what a lot of the “tech talk” stuff means (“tech talk” stuff meaning how things are cited etc in a global community, something scientists and journalists do all the time, but perhaps these well-meaning individuals are not familiar with the process)… cause I’m getting the same vibe as rilanna, that they are missing something in translation….
so they jz want d articles solely have their name only??? its weird bcz d jyj3 admins also have d rights to credit themselves bcz they translated it frm korean–>english language.. i see there is no problem bcz d jyj3 admins ad credited them as d original source… n we’re all support JYJ, so they need to chill…
the thing here is jyj3 does not own those drawings, even if their intentions were good, the original authors can voice their complains if they feel their work is being “modified” ):
that why jyj3 offer to fix the mistake but JYJ19 refuses. Don’t you think their response is quite harsh especially drag the issue for two months and even post a degratory words regarding the ban. Problem could have been solved if people are less anal and selfish.
when you post anything on the internet–unless LEGALLY COPYRIGHTED–you’re giving everyone the freedom to use your work. now, tagging by fansites is out of respect to the creators. one should be grateful for the sake of tagging. i dont understand the selfishness. it’s not like jyj3 maligned or destroyed their creation. it is to share and spread the love for JYJ to everyone.
but it’s not our and JYJ3’s loss if they don’t want their stuff here. there are other fansites willing to share and spread the JYJlove.
i agree with the fact that JYJ3 seems to be targeted by haters who just pick out a smallest thing and make it into a huge problem for no reason. Seriously do these people think that without sharing information JYJ can still become popular internationally. Why being such a bitch about it instead of dealing the problem in a more civilized manner. After all JYJ3 also supports JYJ and why do they make it difficult for them to continue helping international fans keep update with JYJ’s activity.
When other sites do the same thing, most of the time no one complains. But when it is JYJ3, suddenly it becomes a problem. I have seen this happening many times and I feel bad for the admins.
Honestly JYJ3 is the fastest site to translate and share news information. THings that translate in here usuallyare about one or two days faster than other sites. They work hard and very dedicated to JYJ. They do not deserve to be treated this way. I just want to say to JYJ3 admin that you guys are great and I will continue being your reader. Good job.
Yep. Agree with you. I’ve seen the haters online bashing this website for no legitimate reason other than the fact that it supports JYJ.
I think a portion of the people complaining may just be antis…Honestly a website that is fast in sharing information – faster than the TVXQ5 websites, even – is a danger, since that means it will capture a higher readership and will spread positive and/or informative JYJ news quicker.
When JYJ19 said that banned JYJ3 from their site, a group of bias fans, DBSK5 fans and an admin from Sharingyoochun RT it and seeemed quite happy about it.
you dont seem to be thinking too subjectively.
Yeah I wonder what the stance on those jyj korean fansites union about some dbsk5 sites who uses their information from dc and dnbn and still share sasaeng pics. But then again, those 0t5 sites will probablu credit baidu, and that is somewhat of a blackhole to look up to.,
i think i know the reason why JYJ3 is targeted….
Why do you think JYJ3 is being targeted? Is SharingYoochun an OT5 site?!
Great job admins….all the post on your site all just pure love for JYJ.!
Seems like something got lost in translation. Miscommunication…? I guess they don’t understand what ‘at tagged’ means? Or if not that, like you adminnies said, you would have just written the credit as they wanted it.
But it’s standard practice to at least credit the translator – for anything in life that requires translation, really, it’s proper etiquette to do so…so for them to be putting up a fuss about that…? How odd. Guess they don’t want anyone to share their stuff to the international people that, you know, can’t read Korean. Oh well.
of course i’m very much grateful to jyj’s korean fansites such as jyj19, i don’t want any ill feelings or misunderstandings between them, because like us, they share the love we have for our boys.
But, i’m alwayss always ever thankful to this site and the JYJ3 team, b/c w/o them, Idk where I’d go for instant JYJ news. Thank you for all the translations, pictures, news, videos etc. you search around to provide for us international fans <33
@Ali
I agree with you, Ali. Just imagine if there was no JYJ3… There IS nowhere else to go. That’s how important this website is to the international fans.
Again, thanks to the Admins for fighting the good fight.
dont mind them darling =) your doing a great job..and i thank you for always giving us awesome updates =)
I don’t think that ‘all’ academic and professional writing cite sources without asking for permission-am i wrong?. Also, since not everyone looks at the tagged source on pics, i think writing ‘as tagged’ is much longer than writing down the source name? Since some fans are careless and just carry whatever they read onto their personal websites/blogs.
All in all, i agree that dragging an issue through the mud that has been closed for two months is a bit much and unprofessional.
yup. no need to get d permission as long as we credited them… well thats what i know when i write journal for my research n what my lecturers say…
i can assure you that you do not need to ask permission to use the source as long as you reference the source it should be fine. Once things are publshed they are there to share as long as you credit them. This is how science progress.
You’re right, as far as I know, for both academic and published works, when citing from copyrighted material, if your quote exceeds ‘fair use’ (approximately above 150 words), it is necessary to ask for permission from the copyright holder. For images, we always have to obtain permission as well, since they’re considered complete works. But if you’re paraphrasing the writing in your work and not just reproducing it in full, then I think it’s fine to just cite the source without permission.
But in this case, since it’s not copyrighted material (I think?), it’s hard to say it’s ‘a must’ to obtain permission prior to usage. In any case, this seems more like an instance of misunderstanding and differences in fandom culture to me. Hopefully it can be eventually resolved. 🙂
i may not express this very often but i am truly grateful for this site. my day is not complete without dropping by here as it is my only source for a “RELIABLE” jyj update. do keep up the good work and all of us here will stand by you guys.
I love JYJ3! Admin JYJ3 fighting.. We love you and our boys! ❤
“credit as tagged”, but I couldn’t see the said ‘tag’ on the comic strip/fanart, tbh.
But I appreciated your works, jyj3, hope this problem will be resolved immediately 🙂 Peace!
The one that is tagged is 핥(Halt), it’s not JYJ19..which is based on the explanation by admin above is the also the name of the site or maybe the site admin..
i think it’s not noticeable if you do not know the site or if you cant read korean..i guess they are just not too happy that others share their merchandise and credit JYJ3 only..I would be annoyed too but i dont think it’s JYJ3 fault either that others share the information and tag wrongly
Admins stand by your beliefs and principles!
I personally believe in your great vision for JYJ and JYJ’s fandom and my support is here 120%
As for the haters…
i’ll borrow some lines from Muwon’s proposal to Nayoon with slight modification to fit my message to JYJ3..
JYJ3 walks down a path that’s different from other people.
And if you are different, you are bound to be persecuted.
You see, some people don’t really like the truth and clean things.
It just gets to their inferiority complexes.
When a genius appears, fools are bound to make a coalition to come at them
In short, it’s not going to be easy.
We may fall, and we may be miserably casted away.
the question is for us who follows JYJ3
Would that be okay?
My answer is as long as JYJ3 stays true to its vision to spread JYJ love all over the world.. I’m with you as part the family!
“My answer is as long as JYJ3 stays true to its vision to spread JYJ love all over the world.. I’m with you as part the family!”
+100
LIKE IT ❤
for JYJ3 thanks for your hard work……
THIS!
If there are ‘others’ who want to try and take down the growth of JYJ’s international fandom, be aware, that is not going to happen. It’s sad there are those who can be so easily manipulated, but that is the way of the world.
We are here to stay. JYJ have managed to garner an ever growing international fan base that is savvy enough to figure out what is going on. Using innocents is as low as it gets, but I don’t expect anything less.
But to the admins of JYJ3, I say I am proud to be a member of this group. You have always demonstrated a professional tone. In this Internet environment of anonimnity, that is not always possible. You deserve kudos for your attempt to reach out and make your position clear.
PEACE
“There are none so blind, as those who refuse to see.”
I agree 101%.
And to Admins: thank you for creating this big family called JYJ3. Don’t let little and specious issues stop your great work!
Hi Ninja !! Me too … Thank you JYJ3 admins for the fantastic jobs…
JYJ3 is my daily feed, really thankful to all of U, Admins JYJ3^^
i fully support JYJ3, JYJ Family and or course our precious JYJ ^_^
Oop sorry…typo errror…i meant of course not or course
I don’t have much to say on this. But I do want to express thanks to all the hard work JYJ3 admins have put in. I read JYJ3 posts daily to get myself update with all news about JYJ. Hwaiting!!!! Hope this matter can be resolved soon!!
There’s obviously some form of miscommunication involved.
While sharing stuff (like pictures) because they don’t involve editing should be okay (I do remember that on certain sites, like infinityHK required asking for permission) I do believe that its a practice to ask for permission before individual creative works get translated. While JYJ19 might come across as strict, I do not think they mean any harm when they made their announcement. The shared by JYJ3 ban does not seem to come across as logical, especially when many other fansites do that as well, but it seems to be reaction to what they saw as breaking their rules. While using ‘as tagged’ is an i-fandom norm, we also cannot say it’s okay to do so just because. I do think JYJ19 has made it a requirement to put the credits as “Source: jyj19.com” since the beginning, so thats where the saw the breach…There seems to be lots of miscommunication involved, I hope there wont be any disputes from this, as I’m sure both JYJ19 and JYJ3 both love JYJ alot…
After reading through this twice…it dawned on me. Could this be the problem/ miscommunication?
The admins at jyj19.com are angry because they did not get the recognition they feel they deserve for the artwork. The reason is jyj19 used a Korean character (logo) as their tag. When other international fansites repost the translated artwork they found at jyj3.net, spreading the artwork far and wide, jyj19 noticed that “jyj19.com” is not showing in the credits. At first glance, in English, only jyj3 (very similar to jyj19, BTW) appears to be the prominent source. Non-Korean fans probably did not notice the tag nor realize that the source is jyj19.com, so to the admins at jyj19, it looks as though the credit only points to jyj3.
This truly is a misunderstand if this is the case. While we did not intentionally do anything wrong, I can see why jyj19 perceived that they were wronged…
Please, dear admin, if there is anyway this can be resolved amicably, it will be to the benefit of all JYJ fansites, their supporters and of course, our boys themselves.
JYJ3 Fighting!!! es cierto en habla hispana los blog traducen a nuestro idioma desde JYJ3, dando los créditos de traducción al inglés, Fuentes y traducción al español, Bueno cada quien con sus rollos, pero la idea es apoyarnos entre todas las páginas y blog de fans de JYJ, es la mejor forma de apoyar a los chicos, hace un año era muy difícil estar enteradas completamente de Yoochun, Junsu y Jaejoong si no fuera por la rapidez y claridad al traducir al inglés de las admi de JYJ3 y después la creación de cada uno de los blog de habla hispana.
Understood!
JYJ3 hwaiting!
JYJ hwaiting!
1. When you come to someone’s blog/website/forum, the 1st thing you should do is reading their rules. I know not many people read those rules anw but then when you don’t follow their rules, they have all the right to ban you from using their materials.
2. If you read JYJ19’s rules, you should have known that they are really strict in how to credit and share their materials on other websites. They clearly state that they would like people to credit them as “JYJ19.com”. In that fanart, there is only a tag said 핥. (For those who don’t know, 핥 = JYJ19) Tell me, how many people here can read Korean? I bet most people here didn’t even realized that it’s the name of a website when they first saw the fanart. Plus, I know many of you here already knew how to write references, right? “as tagged” isn’t a proper way to credit other people’s work.
3. It may be common in I-fandom that you don’t have to ask the artists’ permission before translating their artwork into another language. However, that’s not acceptable in K-fandom. Some artists are really strict. Some don’t even want their artwork to be posted on other websites. That’s their custom. That’s the way the K-fandom works. You want to use their materials, at least you should respect their rules. It’s like when you come to a foreign country, you should respect that country’s rules and custom, don’t you think?
4. If you want to credit your effort in translating and finding that fanart, you should have written the line ““shared by JYJ3” in the bottom of the post where you post that fanart, not directly on the fanart. I find that’s quite rude. If i was an artist, the last thing i want to see is other people’s name on my artwork.
5. It’s not that Kfans don’t want to share their work, their fanarts or whatever with foreign fans. Some of them are really happy when their artwork is appreciated by I-fans. All you just have to do is respecting their rules, crediting them properly and i’m sure they will all be very glad to share their work with I-fans. JYJ3’s staffs know how to write and read Korean. If you had notified them before translating their fanart, i’m sure this drama would have not happened.
6. I don’t have intention to bash JYJ3. Trust me, I really appreciate what JYJ3 has done to this fandom. I just said what I honestly thought. I hope no one will twist my words and label me as a hater lol.
Okay, have a nice day everyone~
you and some friends of you on twitter already has unhappy things with jyj3 so i dont know if i should trust your intention when you post this or not LOL
regardless of intention, the person hasn’t written rubbish inside imo. and it doesn’t seem to be worded with ill intention.
@sweetie1611 though jyj19’s rules asks to be credited as 핥 or JYJ19.com. I think tagging a work with the logo of the site is not really a means to make it easier for us fans to share without causing disputes regarding how they’re credited, it’s also used to protect that source’s rights in case any improper crediting happens (depending on how they deem it)
and bb, its more than the credit problem here. the true/core problem of this is “bias member”
i totally agree with you.
what bias problem??
like JYJ19 are Junsu bias? …how does that relate to the issue though?
@CL but the staff of halt are a mixed group with biases with each member o_o Fanwork comes out according to the artists preferences, and photos comes depending on the opportunities for them to be taken no?
@jnsiek
oh no, i was just using Junsu as an example lol bc the cartoon had to do with him…..I am actually wondering myself what @bishu means since halt says it supports all of JYJ so i dont know O___o
what bias member problem?
LOL if you doubt my intention then can you point out which point in my post is wrong? I don’t hide the fact that i had unhappy things with jyj3, but everything i wrote above is the truth. You can come to JYJ19.com, read their rules by yourself. If you don’t Korean then you can ask someone to translate it for you. I’m really glad to translate it if you want lol. And i don’t see how this is a ‘bias member’ problem. Do you mind enlighten me?
i still doubt you sorry LOL and about what i said, you are bias yourself so i dont think you see the broblem ^___^ and you will continues have bad thought about jyj3. so let end it here. anyway, i wonder whay people who dont like jyj3 still visit this site?
How many people read JYJ19’s “Rules” before spreading them online, on Twitter? I never visit their website but I do see their fanart re-posted or retweeted. In those circumstances, how is anyone to know what JYJ19 wants? For many people, they don’t have to visit JYJ19’s website to view their materials so why assume JYJ3 admins visited their website and purposefully disregarded their rules? In all likelihood, JYJ3 admins were not aware of the rules prior to posting the fanart and once they received an email from JYJ19, they had locked the post, which should have been the end of it.
However, that wasn’t the end, as you could see from how JYJ19 purposefully singled out JYJ3 among all other fansites that have had similar infractions. Merely one incident, where JYJ3 had chosen to close the post (only to re-open to provide evidence), don’t you feel the level of retaliation on JYJ19’s part is too extreme?
Hey, guess what. I don’t need to translate JYJ19’s rules because they already have their rules in English:
“This article is the official announcement about taking of JYJ19.com(핥;Halt)’s all data(photo, video, fan art, sound, etc.)
Please read and follow these rules.
1.PLEASE write the correct source(credit) when you take our data. (credit : JYJ19.com)
2.The site which support only Jae-joong, Yu-cheon, Jun-su can take the data.
And we bar the site which support TVXQ(Homin) from copying our data.
We put under a ban on the site which spread or mention rumor of JYJ.
3.PLEASE don’t transform all of our data without asking.
4.PLEASE don’t remove the logo of our data.
5.If you want to transform our data, please send mail to master@jyj19.com
We bar the site which against this rules from all data of JYJ19.com.”
If my memory didn’t fail me. JYJ19 just posted the English rule after this incident happened 2 months ago. But yes, I can’t be sure about that. I only remember that these English translation of the rules were posted at the same time when they “ban” JYJ3.
So basically, I guess there were some misinform due to language barrier at first but since some people seems don’t really know how to forgive, things become more and more tense.
Hmmm… I actually like their rules.
JYJ19 clearly supports only JYJ, just like JYJ3. As such, they probably suffer from the same bashings/ disappointments/ heartaches that we do, so they are very defensive, just like us. A minor misunderstanding leads to ill feelings, then harsh words snowballed…
JYJ fans should be friends. Please do not let our pride and prejudices separate this fragile fandom into subsets of K or I.
What would our humble JJ do in this situation?
@janicekwok
no they dont. since the beginning it was always jyj3 that got bashing. go figures.
The date of their English posting of their rules was August 28th, weeks after the aforementioned incident.
In any case, the most important thing to remember is this: JYJ3 admins are not all-knowing, you seem to put them on a pedestal that even you cannot aspire to. How many people on twittersphere actually visit JYJ19’s website? Not many. And judging by their fansite web traffic (via Alexa), it’s not a particularly popular website either. So I doubt any of you who are criticizing JYJ3 have visited JYJ19’s site and read their rules (and it’s only recent that they added English).
JYJ3 made a mistake in not crediting JYJ19 in the manner that they prefer to be credited. Again, it was only /one/ incidence. After JYJ3 knew the rules, they stated that they would not use JYJ19 as a source again if it makes them unhappy.
Just want to make things clear:
1. I posted their English announcement because i think it would be easy for people here who don’t know Korean. It doesn’t mean that JYJ19 put up that rules after the incident with JYJ3. They posted their rules in Korean language as well, long long time ago. After this incident, JYJ19 posted their announcement again in English maybe because they are now aware that some I-fans started to use their materials.
2. I don’t know where some of you got the info that JYJ19 is a one-member site. That’s non-sense. It’s clearly that their site is a JYJ fansite, supports all three members. If you don’t know anything about the site, don’t assume or make up things that you don’t know.
3. I know not many of you visit JYJ19, but i do. I visit that site almost everyday. And lots of Kfan visit it too. The site is not well-known in I-fandom but it doesn’t mean that you can disrespect their rules. Some of you said “oh that site is not as popular as JYJ3, they want attention. they think so high of themselves”… I don’t even know how can you said that. You know what, think before you talk. Everything JYJ3 shared on this site (from the fancams, fanarts, Fanmade MV, Caps, every little thing ), where do you think JYJ3 found it? Oh, they found these materials in those ‘little’ fansites.You think that in K-fandom, there is a one big fansite that everyone goes to everyday? Sorry, that’s not how things work. There are lots of fansite for each member. Some of them are big, some are small and quite new. But they all have their own materials because they don’t usually share other sites’ materials on their own site. JYJ3 is a place where all those materials are collected from different sources, translated into English for every Ifans. You can’t compare two different sites like that.
4. The fanwar between individual fans and JYJ fans are serious in Kfandom, but Kfans don’t want to share about it with I-fans. If they really want to drag the fanwar into I-fandom, they would have done it since long time ago. One thing for sure that JYJ19 is not a biased-site. They are not the site that JYJ fans in Kfandom are fighting with. Seriously, that’s one of the most BS thing I’ve ever heard in my life. If Kfans saw some of the comments here, I know they would have a good laugh. JYJ19 clearly treated JYJ3 as fairly as how they treat other sites if they broke their rules. If you follow my rules, we will be all good. If you broke my rules, BAM don’t use my materials anymore. It’s straightforward and clear like that.
5. I’m not criticizing, nor bashing JYJ3. ( If you think i am, then please point it out for me.)There are always two sides of a story. Some of you here clearly just want to hear the side that you want to hear.
“JYJ19 clearly treated JYJ3 as fairly as how they treat other sites if they broke their rules.”
I think this is the main point where you and I differ in our opinions. It does seem that JYJ3 is targeted and the way in which JYJ19 handled this issue was petty and extreme. But it’s hard to know if JYJ3 was being targeted because they are more well-known and therefore an infraction on JYJ3’s part is more easily discovered or if JYJ19 admins really do have a bone to pick with JYJ3.
@Tea4Amy:
Korean sites have lots of rules, unless it is one big community where anyone can post anything they want (e.g. what they ate today, their social issues) like DC Gall. Maybe the way Kfans approach and handle the issue is strange and harsh in Ifans’ eyes, but that’s just how they are. I would not use the word extreme for them but they really are straightforward and strict like this. Just understand and respect their rules. There’s no need to label them as an individual small-scale fansite. It’s offensive.
K-fans don’t go to I-fansites usually.But maybe because JYJ3 is really big in I-fandom, some Kfans visited jyj3, saw the fanart and then notified jyj19’s admin about the issue. I think that’s why JYJ19 can notice that their materials were not credited in the way they want so fast like this. And i don’t see the reason why jyj19 ‘have a bone to pick with JYJ3’. After banning a site, they will post a public announcement on their site. It’s normal. Every site does that. If it was not jyj3 but another OT5 site that used their artwork, they would have cursed that site to hell lol.
And last thing, i want to thank you because i felt that you actually read what i wrote, not putting words into my mouth, bitching in an insane tone and labeling me as a hater. The last thing i want to do is fighting with other JYJ fans. Hey we all love JYJ. Why can we argue and talk to each other in a more polite tone?
@Jane / Trang (@sweetie1611)
Thank you for your explanation. I honestly do not sense anything wrong about your post. I am glad that you took the time, effort [and courage :-)] to post your remarks/ replies. For a non-Korean, JYJ I-fan like me, its a lot of help.
Are you a Korean? You express yourself very well in English too. Perhaps you can help mediate so that these fansites – JYJ3 and JYJ19.com. can agree on common terms/grounds and have a smooth interactive, integrative and more dynamic relationship in the near future? Coz, in the end, our beloved JYJ and their strong army of FANS and loving FAMILY [Korean and I-Fans] would benefit from such a cooperative relationship.
Just my opinion. Please 🙂
this problem can be handled much better if JYJ3 allows JYJ19 to fix their mistake. JYJ3 mentions that they willing to fix the problem but JYJ19 decides to ban them and even wrote harsh reasons which I do not think it is right. Their words are not only harsh but misrepresent the real issue.
Since everyone supports JYJ, why being so harsh and bitchy about an issue that can be resolved in a more amicable manner.
Instead they spread the problem for two months and decide to announce the ban with degratory words.
typo in the first sentence “if JYJ19 allows JYJ3…” not the other way around.
Ohooooo! JYJ3 is gaining attention and more recognition by this way huh? not that we need any attention and recognition of course, we’re doing fine spreading JYJ love to i-fans, thank you very much..
good decision not to repost anything from that site. *thumbs up to admins…
lets make love not war…
we’re all in this together for JYJ not for our own selfish personal reasons..!
JYJ/ JYJers mansae! fighting!
I love JYJ, and because of that, JYJ3 is my daily routine to drop by for JYJ news. And as I do not understand Korean, and also due to our time constraint, I wont even visit any korean fansite. I do hope JYJ19 admins will understand the love and sharing of information of our JYJ is as good as promoting JYJ, after all, it is because of JYJ, that we, International Fan are gather here!.
Thank YOU JYJ3 admins for all your hard work, and I am sure you guys enjoy it in the process as well.
This is just my opinion so don’t come attack me ok. jyj19 is a fansite ofc they have their own rules, if you want to share something from their site ofc you have to follow those rules /:
thats what im thinking too….I think they seem pretty strict and they clearly take things like this very seriously. But I also think that some stuff got lost in translation as well, and also JYJ19 I think went to far in creating that “ban”, since it makes them sound like JYJ3 just steals things….. I think it would be ideal if they could figure it out and work together since having a direct korean source would be beneficial, and it would also create a bridge between Kfandom and ifandom, but the admins here clearly have sources so I think this site is doing great. I really do love this site and I am really grateful for their hardwork and, so if they dont want to waste time with this issue I dont blame them…
Right, only about the shared by I don’t agree with JYJ19, unless the article is left as it is (in korean) the ok, only credit, but since they took the time to translate they should post that: translated and shared to you by: JYJ3
yes i agree with you, i definitely think JYJ3 had the right to give themselves credit since they bothered to translate it
I think JYJ3 shared something, JYJ19 retaliated in a manner that was too harsh in comparison to the perceived “crime.” And JYJ3 already stated that they will never use JYJ19’s materials again.
THANK JYJ3 Admin. I believe in you and i continue to fully trust you. I am an academician, but i am not familiar with fansite terms and policies, ethical standards [ if there’s such a thing] when it comes to citing works and publications on-line, from other fansites. Your article educated me just now. Thank you.
I would like to believe that some things were “lost in translation” here. We all love JYJ and I am so happy being a part of JYJ3. In fact this is the only fansite that i consider my family – my first and only. Though i seldom find the time to visit this site lately because of work demands, but i am always very comfortable and secured coming back here and bond with everyone. I truly mean this.
To the JYJ3 Admin, you’re great and awesome, please continue doing what you are doing. Your hardwork is greatly appreciated and i hope you are aware and secured with that 🙂 DAEBAK!!!!
Love,love,love JYJ3!
on i mean “THANK YOU JYJ3 Admin..” typo error 🙂
I’m a silent reader here
But I wonder why JYJ19 are so harsh with a JYJ International Fansite? Why they need to go so far to demmand an apologize publicity for ONE incident?? and also why they didn’t do the same to those OT5 Fansites that spread Stalkers pics?
Also why are they doing all this when it’s been almost two months?
Why not “shared by: JYJ3” can be included??? O-o
there are so many questions here
excuse me but I think JYJ19 is targeting JYJ3 for other reasons more than what its says above about the credits
All this is too fishy to me
Way before this come out I heard bad rumours about JYJ19,
i-fans don’t know, but Korean fandom is a mess with individuals fans fighting and JYJ19 seems like is dragging the fight on international waters at attacking JYJ3 who we all know the admins are JJ’s fans.
yes you said what i think the reason is.
Some admins are JJ fans, some aren’t. But even so, they play fair and square. It’s just that some fansites are so anal about crediting, not sharing and stuff, that makes it hard for them to find stuff. Then come around and say that they are biased. I see them posting all of JYJ stuff constantly when a member has his activity. Unless that fangroup wanted JYJ3 to post only stuff about that one member. Wouldn’t that be an individual site? Then what’s the point of the name JYJ3? Isn’t that like lying to the fans of JYJ? Whom this site is serving? So that fangroup wanted more stuff to be posted about that one member, but not sharing any infos about him. Then how can the staff of JYJ3 find infos about him? Do they want JYJ3 staff to start lying and make up stuff, just to please them? Like seriously, if you wanted to only read and see him, then make an individual site and post up his stuff.
But I see why they aim at JYJ3, because JYJ3 is popular, influential, so they wanted the site under their control for their bias. I see. I wondered who’s more biased, the staff at JYJ3, who people claimed to be JJ biased, but posted everything about JYJ whenever each member has activities, or some Korean JYJ fansite who don’t share anything or helping JYJ to spread internationally picking on JYJ3 because JYJ3 is not playing by their rules, catering to THEIR bias?
JYJ3 play by the rules more often than OT5 fansites, I don’t see them picking on those… oh wait, those do cater to their bias. Oh…
This is the pot calling the kettle black.
exactly agree totally….
idk there seems to be loads of assumptions in your comment….
and halt doesn’t support OT5 websites, and there are loads of them … as JYJ only fans I doubt their reader/web base will actually be crawling 5member sites 24/7
Well, I didn’t say that my comment is fact….
by ‘them’ I don’t mean Halt only. I meant all the sites that are bitching at JYJ3 for sharing infos that they are not to. But allowed other sites to post it.
LOL, JYJ only fans don’t really matter if those OT5 sites posted up stuff about their bias. Human will always have a certain bias even if they claim not to.
I wondered why my comment is ‘assumption’ when some of the other comments imply the same thing? Because it hit the core? LOL.
^ seems to be getting abit personal XD
nah, it’s because the implications you list might almost seem like fact with all the details… other than the fact that they are baseless.
I obtained this information about JYJ19
Despite named themself “JYJ” 19 They are considered in Kfandom as an individual fansite, also they aren’t the biggest JYJ fansite like the admin of SYC posted in her tweet, LOL!…In reality they aren’t popular or influential in JYJ KFandom
Like I told you in my previous comment, korean fandom is a mess with individual/biased fans fighting: YC’s fans vs Js’s fans vs. JJ’s fans…The reasons I know but I prefer to keep it to myself.
Despite these fights by individual/biased fans they support JYJ because they love their biased member
If JYJ19 admins are reading this, JYJ3 is the biggest, popular and influential international fansite, If you have problems because some admins are JJ’s biased fans then look at your mirror, and please don’t bring your fights to i-fans. Thank you!
thanks for that bits of info.. i hope JYJ3 admins improve their crediting rules so as not to have this as issue in the future.. they dont have to please anyone but improving tags will end this problem from being used against them..this may give slight temporary victory for some (if that’s what they think) but for JYJ3 improvements are just more beneficial and none of this can make our view and love for this site ever change.. . ..
on the other side.. if there are ill intentions behind making this issue bigger than it should be.. then i’ll just wait for JYJ3’s more success and laugh it with the family.. cause what I learned from JYJ’s experience.. the more you put a good team with good intentions down, the more the universe conspire to bring success on their lap while destruction easily dawns those with ill intentions..
like ur comment…… ❤
spot-on!
my sentiments exactly…
JYJ3 admins…stay strong,
we visit this site countless times in a day
we know you work very hard
we appreciate the whole JYJ3 admin team
JYJ3…the more they put you down, the more you shine…
JYJ3 Fighting!!!
A++++++
For that SYC admin to do that is so funny and yet so retarded because JYJ19 HATES OT5 sites. While JYJ3 allows OT5 sites to share their info, JYJ19 banned OT5s a long time ago from using JYJ19 material. Furthermore, I know which SYC admin you’re talking about and she’s a Yunjae fan. She probably has no idea how much JYJ19 hates Yunjae fans even more than OT5s.
For her to help JYJ19 to bash JYJ3 is like slapping her own face since she is supporting a fansite that hates her fansite more than JYJ3.
Since when JYJ19 is considered an individual fansite? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. LOL I don’t know where you got that info but sorry dear, it’s wrong. So wrong. And there is no such thing as the biggest JYJ fansite in Kfandom, I dare to tell you that. I can name the biggest fansite of each member though lmao. And please don’t talk like you know everything. From what you said, I can tell that you know nothing, or at least what you know is probably not true at all.
You know what, if JYJ19 admins are reading this, they will have a good laugh because some of the comments here are so BS. Don’t think so high of yourself. I bet JYJ19 admins don’t even know that JYJ3’s admin are JJ-biased. They don’t really care btw. In Kfandom, everyone has their own bias. It’s nothing to bitch about anymore. The things here is that JYJ3 broke JYJ19’s rules. It’s crystal clear like that. Why does everyone go around, start twisting and making up things about the site?
“The things here is that JYJ3 broke JYJ19′s rules. It’s crystal clear like that.”
You see things too simply. JYJ3 unintentionally credited JYJ19 in a manner that they did not prefer. But they DID credit JYJ19 and never tried to hide that JYJ19 did the original fanart. Had JYJ3 continued to disregard JYJ19’s rules after their first warning, then perhaps I could understand JYJ19’s actions.
The retaliation against JYJ3 is incredibly petty and immature. Instead of mending fences and being understanding of a singular unintentional mishap, JYJ19 sought to publicly shun JYJ3 and asked for a public apology posted on JYJ3. Don’t you feel this is a bit too much? What is their motive I wonder?
@Jane/Trang
Girl please I know more what you think..I stalk alot Korean fansites and I have korean friends
Before the Hellgate was opened in Korea I knew it and warned people to wait for the breaking up of TVXQ5 Korean Fandom.
I will understand if JYJ3 committed many mistakes, but it was only ONE INCIDENT
Didn’t you find all this too harsh??? a Korean JYJ Fansite puting down a JYJ International Fansite on public
What about working together and be more tolerant to JYJ’s fansites?
They probably banned OT5 Fansites too but I don’t see them publicity announcing like they did to JYJ3 FOR ONE INCIDENT
OT5 Fans and probably HM Fans are laughing thanks to this korean Fansite action…SYC Admin clearly showed she was so happy >.>…Well Done JYJ19, you are destroying and attacking the only influential and popular JYJ international english Fansite just because you can’t tolerate it is managing by JJ’s fans!
Thank god this JYJ19 isn’t very popular…and of course they are considered as individual fansite in Korea, I’m not the person who affirmed this, ALOT of the other two member fans don’t give a sh**t to JYJ19 because they are too biased and also recently they badmouthing one member.
Based on your other comments I suspect you read Korean as well, right?
Do you know a lot about the Korean fandom?
Because JYJ19 is known to be heavily biased by pretty much everyone in the Korean fandom. I wouldn’t call them an individual site, but I would say that they are too heavily biased towards one member and against another.
And if you really do know as much as you are saying you do, then you will know exactly what I am talking about.
I personally don’t care about individual bias, but for you to think the problems between JYJ3 and JYJ19 are really only about crediting then you are very off base.
Yes, I do read Korean and go to Korean sites. And based on your comments, i guess you two also know Korean. On JYJ19 website, they post a public announcement about banning two fansites: 1. jyj3, 2. a OT5 fan cafe. See, they actually did announce about banning every site that broke their rules, or at least every site that they are aware of.
And may I ask when did jyj19 badmouthed other members? If you really know the Kfandom, you would have known that Kfans are fighting with 3 major individual fansites and jyj19 is not one of them. In fact, if you enter jyj19.com, the 1st thing you will see is a Statement by the JYJ fan community solidarity. There is also an English version of that statement out there, I believe. That statement was written very recently and agreed by a lot of fansite of all three members. Tell me, if JYJ19 is considered a really biased-fansite and they badmouthed other members, would other fansite agree to let them sign that statement all together?
@Jane and Shinbyeong
I have only one question… why there is not Jaejoong individual site in that JYJ fan Union solidarity…?
@Jane/Trang
yes, because after a long time I come to think that there is much hypocrisy in JYJ Korean Fandom T.T
Also you still didn’t answer me.
If JYJ19 really want to work to create a “JYJ fan community solidarity” then why the first thing they do is to attack to JYJ3? Why so much INTOLERANCE?
You can say all what you want, but I think JYJ19’s actions speak more than words here.
It’s clearly your hate for JYJ3 blinds you that you can’t see JYJ19’s INTOLERANCE to this JYJ’s Fansite it’s extreme, how come they banned JYJ3 for ONE FREAKING INCIDENT..LOL!
You say the banned JYJ3 and a OT5 Cafe…so what should I conclude here? that JYJ19 consider JYJ3 at the same level of OT5 Fansite?? >.>
@Jane / Trang (@sweetie1611)
“Hey, let’s count how many words JYJ19 used to talk about this issue. That’s a really short announcement (with no subjective opinions added. that’s how i call a professional public announcement) Etc.”
All your points duly noted. it seems we have a real difference of opinion here at JYJ3. And that’s fine, that happens. Reasonable men (and women) differ. Lets agree to disagree civilly. Let’s allow JYJ19 to go on its way unimpeded by any further interaction or sharing with JYJ3. Of course, individual fans will continue to be free to come and go between the sites so no one who loves and follows JYJ will be in any way restricted from their full and free choice of where they’d like to go. Would that be acceptable to you?
@sweetie
I’m only going to address the JYJ Fan Community statement where you believe JYJ19’s participation is “proof” that they’re OT3. That community is open to anyone who wishes to join, they don’t actually ask anyone to add their names to the roster unless you’re DNBN (which originally didn’t sign but later did when the statement was amended the 2nd time and I’m sure there was pressure from the other fansites for DNBN to join.) There’s no criteria for joining, only the site’s promise to behold the policies of the Fan Community statement. If you break the rules, I guess they can kick you out of this community but this is an arbitrary community that does nothing and enforces nothing. You either join or you leave but there’s no benefit to joining aside from the smugness one feels to be included. If you don’t join, what’s the harm? Absolutely nothing.
Some sites want to feel special, I guess.
JYJ3 got stuff stolen from them, but they don’t even say anything. I see news that they translated got posted on OT5 sites, Kpop news sites without credit. But they don’t bother to say anything because they know that it’ll only benefit JYJ, doesn’t matter about crediting. The point was to support and spread JYJ around. Making a big deal out of credits only make it seemed like you never care about JYJ, but only your own site. Some fansites who claimed to support only care about the traffics and popularity.
true, I know some ot5 fansite/blog uses jyj3 trans but “fail” to give them credit. But hey..they never failed to credit other dbsk5 sites. weird.Not.
I seriously don’t see why this is such a huge problem.
All the JYJ fan sites have one sole intention, that is to support JYJ and to let more people know about JYJ.
So what’s the problem with sharing information and stuff?
If they’re unhappy that the credit to them is not clear to them, just inform the admins here and I believe they will solve it.
Why is there a need to create such a hug fuss?
Sometimes I find some Korean fan sites are unwilling to share info with international sites.
Thus at times, informations are not passed correctly and international sites are accused of spreading wrong information.
I feel during these period, everyone who support JYJ, be it Korean, Japanese, Chinese or International, must come together as one.
The enermy is not within, it’s outside. So point your weapons at the correct parties!
JYJ fighting! JYJ fans fighting!
“Sometimes I find some Korean fan sites are unwilling to share info with international sites. Thus at times, informations are not passed correctly and international sites are accused of spreading wrong information.” —-> Exactly how I feel too! Sometimes K-fans think that they ‘owned’ JYJ because they are Korean..We, I-fans will never deny that JYJ are Korean and we love them because Jaejoong, Yuchun and Junsu are three unique individuals, we love them because of what they are fighting for! We want them to be success in everything they do, because WE LOVE THEM!!
Agreed that reason given by these JYJ19.com for the ban are seriously with personal motives!! Just because of sharing Junsu’s fanart? And not giving ‘proper’ credit to her? What? Is that so seriously grave issue that JYJ3 has done to this JYJ19.com??
“I feel during these period, everyone who support JYJ, be it Korean, Japanese, Chinese or International, must come together as one. The enermy is not within, it’s outside. So point your weapons at the correct parties!” – THIS! IS WHAT WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING!! Not within us – I won’t allow it!!
i really like jyj3 it’s the first site i checking before anything else and thank you so much we really appreciate your effort 3>
suggestion :
don’t you think you should translate this statement to korean too so that the kfans won’t misunderstanding this amazing site ^_^
I can understand your sentiment, but like JYJ3 did, it found staffers who are willing to take on the task of translating from other languages. The site JYJ19 can do the same. JYJ3 doesn’t go around asking those sites that are strictly Korean to translate for them, they get someone to help them. For me, that accounts for personal responsibility.
Dear JYJ3 Admins [Mia (@visualshock33)+WorldPeacewJJ+RainbowKJJ+MrsKimArikaDjae+ceskjj+Cecilia+Esra (@As0or83)+Hannah / Pear+DoctorJaee] THANK YOU very much for your hard work and make this JYJ-fansite a warm home for many fans, specially me ^__^. I am so grateful that I found this great fansite after I found JYJFiles. I will continue to be your regular reader and support JYJ. Love you guys. *hugseveryone*
First I want to share this group hug.. ^^
Second I want to comment on this incident as
– JYJ3 is not wrong in sharing and crediting it’s own effort in finding and translating the news beside the original creator, and yes “as tagged” is commonly used specially when it’s a fan art and the tag is in a foreign language as this (핥) and JYJ3 is targeting mainly i-fans (that are mostly non korean speakers and the name of this tag won’t be readable for them).. and it is not rude [ as Jane / Trang (@sweetie1611) mentioned above ] taking into consideration that the translation is on the fanart itself.. so JYJ3 added to it..
– but also JYJ19 is not wrong in specifying its own rules in crediting and tagging and sending them to JYJ3 as a request to stop sharing it’s materials OR to follow those rules which are (a) tag clearly as JYJ19 (and this is sure is OK with JYJ3 [as JYJ3 known as one of the sites/blogs that tags whatever it uses in its blog and sure they won’t be harmed in any way with a specific tagging]) (b) not adding JYJ3 as “shared by” in the credit and then here it would be only unfair for JYJ3 efforts in finding and translating (Why ask to be acknowledged and refrain others to be acknowledged as well for their work)..
—– leaving JYJ3 with a decision making situation:
1- first choice: not following those rules and refraining from using any material from JYJ19.
2- second choice: following those rules as is, when using any material from JYJ19.
– so what is wrong here is — if JYJ3 takes the first choice.. JYJ19 should not feel insulted.. every blog has its own rules and is free to follow or unfollow others’ as long as they are binded with their rules. and JYJ19 should not ban JYJ3 publically from using it’s materials when JYJ3 willingly chooses it .. actually it was JYJ3 choice..
– in normal situation I would have wished that JYJ3 made a big stand to show who is at fault and clearing it’s name but because JYJ3 and JYJ19 are both serving the benefits of JYJ.. and any inner differences will only lead to more fuel in the hand of JYJ anties.. I really respect JYJ3 stand in only clearing its name to its own readers.. and I hope JYJ19 would regret its stand and declare it rightfully.. as JYJ3 always do in different matters (when it knows that they did or published anything that was not fully right they are not afraid of saying so and they apologize.. and that’s why I always find JYJ3 is very creditable and reliable)..
again thank you JYJ3.. for all of your hard work..
and I hope there are readers here from JYJ19 and I hope they can solve this so all the JYJ big family would be at peace together..
and yes sometimes differences come from translation as it was mentioned above..
again we should not quarrel among each others we should unite and sharpen our weapons to protect JYJ.. we all know that they got attacked from everywhere and we need to be strong for them..
Though I agree with most of your decision and I’m always grateful. The truth about the tags is that I rarely knew where the things actually came from. In the case of this caricature in “as tagged”, I had no idea it meant jyj19, and the the caricature I don’t see where’s jyj19’s tag. I agree with you that since you took the time to search it and translate it, “shared by: JYJ3” should always be there. But I many times i have wonder, why you don’t relink the actual source, the actual article where you get it, I don’t care if I understand it or not. It’s like tagging and cites in books and online articles, one tag the actual writer, what book (site), time, etc etc etc. I’m not saying to do it like that, but it all has a reason, it so for the reader to look for himself and verify it, or just read more about it.
Like I say I thankful for all you have done with this site and for the international fandom, but the tags has always been in my head to be honest (that I couldn’t recheck them myself XD).
I believe the problem is that JYJ3 admins don’t visit JYJ19 site, they probably got the fanart from someone who uploaded it on Twitter. In that case, it’s not easy to find the original link.
But I would say that for all the translations JYJ3 does, they always link back to the original source. Unlike SYC, which almost never links back when SYC does a translation.
Sigh. Crediting can be really difficult. Add the difference of intention in two languages as different as English and Korean, and you got trouble. (At least I do.^^) But I want to say thank you for sharing your posts so willingly, and I hope this matter will be resolved soon.
Appreciate the big heart of JYJ3’s admins and im happy to know that this website would be consistent, with such rational and dedicated admins around 😀
*My bias has always been the trio in TVXQ and this individual website has made it a lot easier for me to be updated about their information:) i like to believe no JYJ fan is a Homin hater, vice versa, because we love them most as 5VXQ:)
I love JYJ3, this is the website where I get my daily fix of JYJ news. That being said, I think there have been some kind of misunderstanding here. I hope we, being all fans of the same group, can solve things peacefully.
jyj3 admin rocks! this is the first fansite, and currently the only fansite, i visit daily. thanks for all your efforts!!!
Pffft….. Making such a big deal about it…
Btw, I meant, JYJ19 making such a big deal about it..
JYJ3~! Luv and supports you always~!
Thanks for the hard work~! 😀
i want to say thank u JYJ3…
Tq 4 the hardwork n dedication for the past nine month 2 provide daily news to i-fan esp me…
i always open this site to update myself about JYJ….
Please take heart n don’t give up….
There is always someone/people who will ‘jaelous’ about other people achievement….
What we can do is ‘as long as your conscience(don’t know if i spell it right) is true and god know what your intention is’ do whatever u want n ignore what the other say (advice from my mother)….until now this one advice still stick on my thick brain…
Lastly Tq100000000x Admin…saranghae, I Love U, Wo Ai Ni, Saya cinta kamu, etc
p/s : i know this site open on Jan’11 right but what is the date? i think we should celebrate it…I mean in korea the couple there celebrate their 100 days, 300days and 1,000day right…I htink we should celebrate the 300 days…it is becoz i treat JYJ3 as my BF…
Poor me…WHERE IS MY OTHER HALF? I’M WAITING 4 U…..WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF BABIES (since i can’t have JJ )
JYJ3 Fighting
BTW admin….I think u should translate your statement in Korea n put it above the post
ok back to become silent reader…
ahahaha spot on celebrating 300 days ^__^
Thank you for your hard work Adnims…JYJ3 my home site where i can see and know the news about our boys every day, where i can meet all my friends, sisters in here…Thank you so much!!! every site have their own rules like ppls have different personally but the end what all we want to do ? what are our results we want? ..It is suport our belove JYJ. help YC/JJ/JS continue their dream and follow what we believe are right in our life, our world…I am not confident to say something if i don know detail but i so trust very intelligen JYJ3 adnims will find the way to solve this problem, make this site bigger, make JYJ fandom stronger insite or outsite, what ever luangages and JYJ3 the most happy place for JYJ fans..^__^!
Thank you JYJ3 for the awesome work you do! I always rely on you guys to give me the latest on our dah-ling boys. A lot seems to have been lost in translation with JYJ19 who, for all their emphasis on rules, don’t seem to be good at keeping things professional. That says much in itself, doesn’t it? So don’t listen to the haters and keep up the good work. Let’s think happy thoughts! Let’s think ‘In Heaven’ sales figures! 😀
love you admin… it will always new challange to be go through. i love your stand, always take carefull action and trying your hardest to cartel everyone… for a blog that still young, to achieve so much will always make other felt unsatisfied… to trying your best to protect the dignities and stay true to our quest is such a hard work… thanks a lot for all the hard works…. q(‘ ‘)p fighting..
i am sooooooooooooo proud of you ! happy to be part of you ! will never ever leave you !
WE BELIEVE IN YOU ! ❤
JYJ HWAITINNNNNNNNNNNG~!
Wah I’m proud to have admin like you guys, so wise!
Thanks a lot for helping us close with jyj! We really hope you guys will continue this forever! Hehe!
Jyj family hwaiting!!!
It seems to me that jyj3 just needs to reword their “tagged” phrase to “translated ” instead. Problem solved. Now the k-fandom will understand that they aren’t taking credit. But I will side with jyj3 on the issue of not having them cited. I don’t agree with jyj19 asking for this request.
Btw is this really the time for k-fans to be so anal about this trivial stuff? The guys are embarked
Damn phone… I was writting the guys are about to embrak on a european tour. They need all their fandoms to get along with each other. They have enough bitchy people to deal with in their proffesional lives. They don’t need us to start acting that way as well.
you now what i hate…is haters (OT5 more than homin fans) more worried about what JYJ fans do than themselves!!
that piss me off!!!
My dear JYJ3 with growth and exposure come challenges. I am sorry that you are experiencing such challenges, but they are also learning curves that help you find solutions to the new challenges. You are a group of young individuals that are working really hard for this “little train that could” JYJ3 achieved amazing things in such a short amount of time, and it’s going to continue to do so, but like JYJ itself there are still going to be some hard times ahead. However, I do believe that JYJ and JYJ3 are strong and wonderful, so they will overcome things. Mistakes are prone to happen, but I see that you doing a great job to follow through and repair them, so that is what is important. Thank you for all the time and effort that all of us dedicate to this international family. SInce I discovered this place, I experienced so many wonderful things.
It’s funny how the fake OT5s on Twitter are having a field day with this. Don’t they know OT5s were the first group to be banned from JYJ19 en masse? What a bunch of shortsighted fools whose only delight in fandom is in bashing JYJ fans but fail to see how their own actions have shrunk their (fake) OT5 fandom and weeded out the good fans so that only the insipid and myopic fans remain.
You must be reading my mind! 😉 Especially about the last part.
all can say is that JYJ3 Admins + staffs, HWAITING!
If JYJ19 has a right to post a public statement about JYJ3, then JYJ3 has a right to post a public statement explaining the actions they took.
In all honesty, I don’t think anyone who reads this site has noticed the fact that you haven’t posted JYJ19 pictures in the last couple of months, so it’s not like as if this “ban” they placed on you really mattered that much.
Anyone who knows Korean and knows JYJ19 will be very aware that crediting is not the problem they really have with JYJ3. I don’t want to go much into this because pointing fingers is never good, but also looking at i-fandom reaction to this, the real problem becomes even more painfully obvious.
However, to keep this lite, I just want to say thank you to the JYJ3 staff, the admins and translators, and don’t worry about JYJ19. It’s their loss to be quite honest. There are countless other sites that are more than happy to spread their pictures and fanarts with JYJ3 and it’s best not to involved with sites like JYJ19.
I have rewrite many times but…
Let me just say JYJs staff members, fighting…
JYJ3 THANK YOU FOR ALL THE AWESOME WORK! UR SITE MAKE MY LIFE COLORFUL
LOVE YA ❤ ❤ <3….. 😀
I’m not going to say much except: admins, thank you for your time and effort in running JYJ3. I appreciate it.
JYJ3
The site
The adms
The fans
Fighting!
JYJ3 is certainly the biggest international fansite and that can’t be denied.
What JYJ3 is doing for international fans is amazing and I will forever be grateful to the staff, the adms and the founder.
All my support to this wonderful site.
Fighting!
I didn’t even know there was a site called JYJ19…this is news to me. I think it’s ridiculous to ban a site over something so trivial. Fans should work together in spreading JYJ…anyway I’m sure JYJ3 will do just as good without them.
I LOVE JYJ3!! You are the best site ever ❤ Love you admins ❤
Dearest jyj3 admin…thank you for your hard work…I love jyj and jyj3 family. Keep up the good work. And for the above issues…sometimes people have to learn how to forgive, don’t get easily emotional over one incident,(i know jyj3 receiving many bashing hater this past months) we all love jyj, let’s spread that love to everyone….god didn’t say you can only have limited love. I hope this Jyj19 who claimed to love jyj only…bashing up (banning)their other sisters sites, making a public statement with the intention to harm the reputation other jyj fan sites…will sure to indirectly will imply on our beloved jyj. Is the ‘respect’ that more important than to share and spread the news on jyj to the worlds. Is this issues is first in your list..than helping out our jyj. The antis will laugh at all jyj fans..so does Sm, kbs…etc.
Let’s forgive and forget..and believe me…I won’t allow anything to harm, hurt…to sadden jyj again..even you claimed that you jyj fan.
Jyj3 fighting.
Gonna write what I wrote on our JYJTurkey account here to:
Wished I could spreak Korean and help JYJ3 out more to kick some ass.. For me JYJ3 = the leader of our #JYJFamily . It’s the place where it all starts over again every morning. There Passion,love & patience turns in to PR for JYJ.Thanks to them in 1 hr all the news can be translated to other languages.
Korean, Japanese and Chinese fanbases need to see and realize that JYJ are also popular in other countries. So start working together. Working together would make us bigger. Stop criticizing us, i-fans who call them self #JYJFamily
And dear JYJ19, if your reading this: thanks to JYJ3 I heard of you. So in a way you have to be thankful to them =.=
I can’t stand a couple things:
1) people calling themselves OT5’s and hate everyone who love only 2 or 3.
2) people reading news from JYJ3 and then writing on twitter that she read it on a stan site and she’s waiting 4 the OT5 site version. Its not like JYJ3 cut the news or added stuff in it because there JYJ based. =.=
3) OT5 admins who don’t tell JYJ bases and HoMin bases about there ‘project’ and then nag over that the project didn’t work.
4) People who don’t do anything for the fandom saying the fandom is in mess..
5) People who are trying to find faults of JYJ bases. Or HoMin bases. Truly don’t you have some life?
The bottom line = accept the fanbases as they are.Because no one is gonna change 4 you. We love JYJ, they love TVXQ,you love TVXQ5.So what?
I can’t stand all the things I just wrote down.. But then I see JYJ, hear there voices and get hypnotized again XD
LOL. Sweet. 😉
Thank you for this post adminnies. I really admire & respect the fact that you happily share your posts with other fan sites, thus sharing the love & info for JYJ without bias or selfishness. That you are more concerned with promoting JYJ than taking credit for yourselves, not only makes JYJ3 one of the best fan sites for the fans, but also for JYJ themselves. Thank you to all the admins for your hard work, time & effort. ♥
My opinion is in the minority but I think if you take someone’s work you should credit as they see fit or just adhere to their rules.
Also its imperative in academic and professional circles to ask for permission from the author before translating their work or that is copyright violation, you just can’t translate and cite, you need their permission to do so especially if your going to share the translation. I think its fine to do so in fandom sphere unless the author requests but you can’t do that in academic or professional circles.
Anyway, I think this was just a miscommunication from both sides.
JYJ3 already said that they will credit JYJ19 as JYJ19 wishes after JYJ19 informed them of their rules. JYJ19 felt that it wasn’t enough and pursued this matter to its current escalated state.
And no, one can always translate without permission as long as a) you don’t profit from the translation and b) you credit the original source.
Even a for-profit website like Allkpop can translate all those Korean news articles without asking for permission first so it’s natural that within casual fandom circles, JYJ3 was right to assert that they did not know they had to ask for permission to translate JYJ19’s fanart. After knowing, JYJ3 has said they won’t do it again so I don’t see a problem w/ JYJ3’s conduct.
OK! Civilization saves us, please!
Yes, there are rules for each blog you visit.
The moral thing to do is to follow the guideline below:
The first time someone breaks a house rule. You address them with a warning.
The second time, the person does the same thing again; you send them a second warning and demand his or her explanation for their actions, because you care to know why the person has a problem with the rules you have set. You want to have a chance to solve any problems between the parties.
The third time, that same person violates your house rules; you ban her or him from using your resources, because by then, you can see clearly what her/his intentions or motives are.
Looks like someone harbors an ill will. Or is it a misunderstanding toward our JYJ3 admins?
I truly admire JYJ3 admins for taking the first step to create a blog that is devoted to our JYJ back in the beginning when the hell broke loose in the TVXQ fandom at the time when everyone was only interested in their emotions and forgot to use their head.
Be smart, don’t let bias destroy your unity.
this is 100% true.
That’s why its obvious that JYJ19 had ulterior motives behind that banning.
It’s unfortunate that you guys had to write up this post, especially because since you guys already took the proper measures to apologize to JYJ19. I remember you guys were very kind with my requests for how to credit my JYJ San Jose photos, and when my name was mispelled, I sent an email and you guys corrected it swiftly.
While it is preferred to always ask before, since you guys do prioritize speed of sharing and it is difficult to find the original source, perhaps you guys could email your source afterwards, letting them know that it was shared on JYJ3? (I’m not sure if you already do that, but it is a suggestion.) I’m sure most people would be very overjoyed to know it was shared, and it could prevent another nasty incidence like this. But again, thanks for all your tireless work.
I think the word “as tagged” sounds like you’re too lazy to write the source’s name so you just write “as tagged”, well, maybe you’re too busy collecting materials from those SMALL FANSITES so you don’t have time to write their name properly?
i appreciate your hard work but can’t help feeling that you try to defend yourself and make i-fans against that small site….
Since JYJ19 made this ban public then it’s reasonable JYJ3 also answer them in public.
JYJ19 are considered as a small Fansite but the admins also collaborate in other Biggest Korean JYJ’s Fansite
I dare to suspect JYJ19 is only “the tip of the iceberg”
I will wait if the people of the other Biggest Korean JYJ’s Fansite do something against JYJ3 before I take my conclusions.
Your hostile tone and sarcasm is duly noted. Of course, JYJ3 crediting things “as tagged” is suddenly an issue even though you’re an avid supporter of other websites that have done the same? (Please name one website in i-fandom that hasn’t used “as tagged” in the past).
I don’t believe JYJ3 called JYJ19 a small fansite although in my opinion, they are. JYJ3 likely used the term “individual small-scaled” fansites to denote the fact that that JYJ19 is one website out of many and it posts, on average, very few posts per day. Being in Korea, of course they have more opportunities to take pictures of the members at events and once a month, they may make original fanart. But aside from that, they bring nothing unique to JYJ fandom that other fansites could not easily replace.
Since JYJ19 was the first to make the accusation and to go public with it, I don’t see why JYJ3 admins cannot defend themselves. They simply matched, point by point, their reasons and I don’t find that JYJ3 did anything wrong. If anything, I feel that JYJ19’s actions were petty.
You give too little credit to i-fans: they can judge for themselves so if i-fans find JYJ19’s actions to be over the top, then perhaps it’s because that’s the general consensus?
Timing is everything, as the saying goes. The timing of this issue is suspect. As with everything associated with JYJ, and highly successful events and activities. It never seems to fail.
@ButterfliesAreFree
IA
@BAFfie
” As with everything associated with JYJ, and highly successful events and activities. It never seems to fail.”
It is most damnably the case, my sister. It never fails. Courage!
🙂
i love this website…it gives me a lot of information about JYJ, Thank you all for your hard work. A job well done.
i’m new here but i want to thank jyj3 for thier efforts and strong what do u call it stand strong stand something like unshakable mountain even when the wind is a twister, just like JYJ , stay strong and continue doing your best never be discouraged because just like jyj u have fans and i’m one of them who trust and wait to see more of your efforts and am grateful every time i see news of JYJ please continue like before and do more because i’m jyj3 bias i have u as my home page because i don’t want to see anyother site because i trust this site so please continue to meet up with expectations of JYJ international fans we want more news on JYJ all efforts are appreciated lots.
cheer up admins I love u (that should lift ur spirits up ^^ ‘so full of myself i am kekekeke’)
@Junsu is Mr Korea
Welcome to JYJ3 ^___^ I love your user name!
Thank u ^^ JYJ3 Fighting
Thank you admins/staff for your continuous hard work. As you continue to grow and expand, unfortunately there are going to be some bumps in the road that can be stressing and discouraging, but I know you can overcome them and you have us to support you.
You always carry yourselves with dignity and I appreciate you for being our source and connection to JYJ and other fans. Wishing you all the best on your mission to spread the love and awesomeness that is JYJ.
DELETED BY ADMIN
I don’t need to warn you because you already left many troll comments on twitter about JYJ3 and Jaejoong
Banned
@Nameless
“Lastly, as usual JYJ3′s typical hostility and pretentiousness is all over their enormous JYJ19 post (Yes, I read it! It’s that enjoyable for me to watch karma at it’s best). ”
Well… sorry that you were less than enthused. lol Everyone can’t like everything after all. JYJ3 is a unique little microcosm, no doubt. We who frequent it regularly have grown fond of it because really–for us hostile and pretentious eccentrics–well, there has to be a place for us too, right? We certainly are the first to allow that JYJ3 isn’t for everyone. We have a few basic guidelines for posting and more often than not, when you first come here and start reading, you know almost right away whether this is the place you have longed for, searched for and finally found or…. it’s just not your cup of tea at all. I’m one of the former souls and it looks to me that you might be one of the latter. 🙂
I started out reading the JYJFiles and then naturally migrated here and have been so happy I did. I won’t recommend that you check out JYJFiles because if you think it’s pretentious here, then scrolling through JYJFiles will probably give you an aneurysm. lol (It’s not, really: I would characterize it’s tone as more “Scholarly Outrage” but that’s just me.) To one thing I will readily attest, a rather large proportion of JYJ fans here are a little to a lot older than your usual fangirls–maybe that’s what you are sensing and not liking. But we like it, it’s our space to hang, talk to friends we’ve made here and share thoughts on the Never-Ending Saga that seems to be JYJ’s career arc. And again, sorry if anything you read offended you. Such was not our intention.
WAIT…excuse me while I finishing picking myself up from off the floor after laughing my ass off!
WHY…do these people ALWAYS post a comment and I’M NOT AROUND TO SEE IT, BEFORE THE ADMINS DELETE IT! WHY?! It’s just not fair, I tell you, NOT FAIR!
OK…I’m clamer now. 😉 My VE Sister, from your comments alone, I am able to surmise some of the gist. From the other backlash comments from our other sisters, I gather this ‘person of interest’ as the Feds like to call them, is really itching for a fight. When will these cretins grab onto the clues…FOLKS IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK!
No amount of orchestrated BS is going to take down JYJ3.net or its FAMILY. Listen to yourselves. You proport to be fans of JYJ. Well, the jury is still out. However, if you really are fans, what is your purpose? What makes you think attacking a site that covers JYJ is the way to go? Don’t you have something constructive you can do to support the very artists you claim to admire?
Lurking around and bashing the site is a complete and utter waste of your time. In case it has escaped your notice…the reason JYJ.net has become such a success is because the admins are focused on providing quality information to the fans who are part of the family here. The fans at this site are dedicated to being the barrier and support JYJ needs to fend off those who wish them harm. Shouldn’t that be your purpose as well?
Well, if you feel lost, out of sorts, dissolutioned, and hurt that you are not this successful, maybe you should try looking in the mirror and realize you are part of your problem and not your solution.
PEACE
Now I can go back to ROFLMAO! at my VE Sister’s comments. 🙂
@Butterfliesarefree
LOLOL Really–you are cracking me up tonight!! Are we on for tomorrow? Same bat-time, same bat-channel?
I’ll look forward to it.
Big Smiles! 🙂
Can you at least attempt to write your own opinion instead of taking other’s works and not crediting them? Talk about irony. And of all the ppl to quote, you had to quote one of the most notoriously hateful and pressed fake OT5s. Good job.
JYJ3 stated their position. Why add the other points? I assume it’s been a long time coming for them. Ever since JYJ3 began, there has been haters for the site from the likes of YOU and the person you quoted. Did you know OT5 sites also post JYJ3 translations and posts? And who benefits? Supposed OT5s and individual fans. But every day on Twitter and on LJ and elsewhere, all I see are ungrateful people bashing them left and right. Everyone has a limit to how much they’ll take all this bullying without speaking up for themselves so I’m happy that JYJ3 admins finally voiced their views rather than having those ingrates further step on them. If I were an admin, I wouldn’t be as nice.
Isn’t it rather hypocritical of you to post that in here? Let’s examine this:
The person you quoted hates JYJ fans and constantly bash JYJ fandom and always jump at the chance to bring JYJ fandom down. One drop of blood and she’s there like a shark (heck, she even admits to her schadenfreude: “Yes, I read it! It’s that enjoyable for me to watch karma at it’s best”). Clearly, she does not want JYJ to have an amicable fandom.
So her shameless preaching is more of a “haha! I’m going to blow this crediting dispute out of proportion to shake my fat *ss at the stans who have always looked down on us “true” ot5s”. For you to consider her worthy of quoting doesn’t bode well for your argument, or lackthereof.
Just glad that this site is here for us international fans. Thanks so much for the hard work on finding and translating articles that I won’t be able to read if not for JYJ3. Thought fansites loved to share but I guess that is not the case sad to here that. Thanks Admins
Just wanted to add my gratitude for the welcoming sanctuary JYJ3 admins have created where ALL JYJ fans can come together—-to spazz, seek out information or just general refuge—–can’t thank you enough for all you do.
In 10 months, this site has racked up almost 12.5 million hits now; this tells me that you guys must be doing something right and powerful. Clearly JYJ3 is shaking people up if even the trolls and antis can’t stay away 😉
So, Carry On please……
😉
Ever since I stumbled on JYJ3 site, I never go to any other fan sites anymore looking for JYJ news. You guys are the best and the fans here are great. Thank you for all the hardwork of the admins and the fans .
I don’t know why you guys making this a big deal..I think its more nice if we shared it
although tagging or credit is really important but i think its not a big deal
the important here is we can share everything about JYJ…
Honestly when my friend told me about this site for being JYJ site
and not for TVXQ as five, I was happy because i found a site that
is only for JYJ because i admit that I’m not cassiopea anymore and I just
love JYJ…So i hope this issue will stop because this is nonsense…
I think the other site(jyj19) is jealous or envy because of
jyj3 popularity,,,,… Its very obvious that so many people
visiting this site…So if i were jyj3 i will ignore this
because like what you’ve said its not related to the boys
so why making it a big deal…
Anyways congrats for your hard work, this site is really
good and so updated, that’s why I only visit this site since
this is the only site that is about JYJ only…
Whoever the admin in jyj3 is…I’m so proud of you guys
you are so great… Continue spreading news about JYJ
because so many people counting on you…
Thank you and God Bless…
JYJ is the best 😉 that´s why many butthurt people want to see JYJ3 down
just see as even troll,antis,fake OT5 are here kekekekekeke they practically live here
websites as sharingyoochun and many OT5 websites are totally DEAD xDDDDD
JYJ3 hwaiting!!!!
sharingyoochun(SYC) is a good site also…I always visit that site or
lets say that’s the only site i always visit when they are still
TVXQ as five although i always make trouble on that site
for always complaing because its rare to see a post about junsu
and most of the post is about jejung and yuchun but i still visit
it..Its good also but since I’m only JYJ now and i don’t want
to heard about the two so this is the only site I’ve only visit
but i must say that SYC is a good site as well… The only problem is
they don’t post often about junsu…Like pictures,fanart etc…Since
I’m junsu bias so its really obvious that im I’m not happy
with it…
SYC was my number one choice before JYJ3 came about
but lately it feels like they are leaning more toward Homin side
I get they are a OT5 site but most of the comments about jyj is deleted, or “disappear”
this all started happening beginning of 2011
(all my comments for anything relating to one of jyj is deleted, oddly~)
true, im more jyj; i support them more and i dont read or care for most homin news but i check now and then
the site is kinda dead because most ppl know their comments dont last long there, and kinda therefore dont matter much
besides, anything syc post now about jj/yc/js, jyj3 already has
I think in SYC half of the admin is Jejung and Yuchun bias…They just don’t want
that fans will talk only about JYJ,,,, They are equal like what they said,
they want that if you want to talk something you have to make sure that
its about the five and not for the 3 or 2…
They are not on HoMin side or whatever,because the admin on that site
esp chompoo i think is yuchun bias although they love the five so
they post HoMin often because its very obvious that HoMin is everywhere
while JYJ they can’t promote so its rare to have JYJ news…
I think in SYC admin if they have to chose between JYJ and TVXQ,
of course they will choose JYJ because the admin of that site is
Yuchun and Jejung Bias…But since they want to support TVXQ as five
then they are still posting about TVXQ(HoMin) often…
Anyways, right now I’m so thankful that there is a site that
is only about JYJ….
Of course to SYC also who help me before for the updates…
@XiahEvachun Yoosu
I seriously doubt it.
It’s pretty obvious that SYC is now ‘almost practically’ a HM site despite it’s name.
The JYJ news are late, and worse, calls for petitions and stuff like that to help JYJ are NOT posted.
@Shadow so this is one of websites tha refused to help those they claim to love. It boggles my mind they turned their backs on people they say they love.
@XiahEvachun Yoosu
That’s BS reasoning ( not referring to you). Why do I have to always include the name other two when the news is just about JYJ. That’s what I don’t really like abt most OT5’s. It’s like a mantra for them. Call out the two,call out the three and then all five.
JYJ3 is the best 😉 that´s why many butthurt people want to see JYJ3 down
just see as even troll,antis,fake OT5 are here kekekekekeke they practically live here
websites as sharingyoochun,tvxq2 and many OT5 websites are totally DEAD xDDDDD
JYJ3 hwaiting!!!!
I have read about the admin here,..I found out that so many admin here and
one of the admin is my source in youtube…lol
How i wish one of the admin here will sub the fanmeeting in seoul
coz the vid that uploaded about fanmeeting in seoul don’t have
sub..How i wish you’ll sub the fanmmeting in seoul…
Thank you…