SM’s shady dealings: Author confirms they forced JYJ out of new K-pop book
The author of a recently released book on K-pop has revealed that SM Entertainment pressured his publisher to remove references to JYJ and the TVXQ! lawsuit.
This came to light when one of our favourite bloggers, Oegukeen (who has previously written a guest post for us on inter-cultural relationships) wrote an in-depth review of Mark James Russell’s book K-pop Now!: The Korean Music Revolution’.
Like we (and other reviewers) previously noted, she pointed out that there were odd inconsistencies in the book in the way TVXQ! and JYJ were covered. However unlike those other reviews, this time the author took the time to directly respond to the criticism in the comments of Oegukeen’s blog.
Russell confirmed, as we had suspected, that this effective deletion of JYJ from K-pop history was the result of interference from SM Entertainment. He said:
“Yes, I agree with you about the JYJ/TVXQ issue. But, alas, that was not my call. SM Entertainment was quite adamant about how TVXQ was covered. Which is too bad, as I really liked Xia’s “Incredible” (among other songs).”
Of course this did not go down well with fans of JYJ who questioned the author’s integrity and, rightfully, used it as further proof of SM’s meddling in the group’s affairs despite being told to stop interfering by the Fair Trade Commission.
While JYJ fans’ frustrations are understandable, it is unfair to throw the author under the bus for something which is not really in his control. Aside from anything, his 2008 book POP GOES KOREA is one of the absolute best books on the history of Korean entertainment written in English and is a must-read for anyone with a serious interest in the topic.
In order to pull together such a shiny and attractive book with all those high-quality photographs, Mr Russell and his publisher Tuttle would have to work with Korean entertainment companies in order to get the rights for various promotional photos and artworks. The publisher wanted to create an anthology of K-pop groups and that is difficult to do without any kind of input from their agencies.
Mark James Russell actually took to his blog earlier in the year to address the issue but it didn’t seem to get much notice:
“Now, I was not interested in embarrassing anyone or making anyone look bad, and I know that the whole TVXQ history is a very sensitive one, so I tried to write a very positive article on the band, which mentioned them starting as a five-member unit, then transitioning to a duo. I did not mention anything controversial about what happened and just looked at the positive — i.e., that everyone is doing well now, and fans have a lot of great music to choose from.
However, SM Entertainment did not like that approach. They were worried that any mention of the group’s history would upset the fans. I tried being flexible, and repeatedly pointed out that not addressing the group’s history at all would likely just draw attention to what happened and upset people more. But, in the end, SME had its approach and was firm. So that is how we ended up with the book the way it is.”
The excuse that it might ‘upset the fans’ is hilariously ridiculous and yet it is exactly the kind of thing that SM would say.
Amusingly, because the company most likely only checked (or were given to check) the parts of the book that regarded their artists specifically the break-up of the group is still alluded to in the profile of KARA further on.
Although it’s not great that the publisher caved to SM’s requests it is understandable to a degree and it’s good to see that the author is not trying to cover up what happened despite the backlash he might receive from the more… passionate parts of the JYJ fandom.
But for SM… this is, yet again, more bad press. 2014 really is a year they will wish to forget.
Source: beyondhallyu
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‘K-POP Now!: The Korean Music Revolution’ book review
Front and Back Cover
[JYJ3’s Note: Omitted unrelated parts of the review, please read the Full Review Here]
… One thing that did always leave me in awe when it came to K-pop was how incredibly hardworking these performers are. The hours they put in, and the amount of sleep they get, put even the most diligent of us at shame.
The authors covers this in chapter 2, titled “What is K-pop” and while he does mention how difficult it is for the stars, I couldn’t help but feel that his source of information came only from the companies.
Which brings me to the biggest issue I have with this book. Far from a K-pop expert but not living under a rock either, I have heard of one of the most dramatic and famous events in K-pop history – the TVXQ! split. Which is why I found myself very puzzled when I reached the TVXQ! section.
Chapters 3 and 4 are structured around introducing 15 boy groups and 13 girl groups. They are listed alphabetically, save for the first three groups in each chapter which my guess is have been chosen for their popularity, and as such come first and have four pages dedicated to them, instead of the usual two that other groups get. For boy groups it is Big Bang, Super Junior and TVXQ!, and for girl groups it’s Girls’ Generation, 2ne1 and Wonder Girls.
So obviously the author gave TVXQ! plenty of attention. However, throughout the whole article he makes it sounds like TVXQ! always were a duo, even when talking about their previous achievements as a five member group. At first I didn’t find this too strange, because while it may not be perfectly accurate, the book is called K-pop now, not K-pop before. But the more I read, the more it bothered me.
First of all, every other band seemed to have their former members listed. I looked into it a bit more (i.e. I opened Wikipedia) and for example, Hyuna was part of Wonder Girls for only a half of a year and yet was mentioned as having been a member, while ex-TVXQ members who were there for 6 years, haven’t.
Second of all, in Kara’s section the author mentions that they were on verge of breaking up and their fans “were shocked and worried that this would turn into another TVXQ!…”, which for someone who was finding out about them just from this book would be confusing as according to the author TVXQ! have always been a happy duo.
The three former members, now in a band called JYJ, are mentioned twice at the beginning of the book, once as an example how Kpop bands have strange names, and once for holding concerts in Europe.
Now, if you’re not a TVXQ fan this may all seem irrelevant, but honestly, the real problem is that it made me question the authenticity of other things the book said, and made me unsure of the exactness of what I was reading since I don’t have the knowledge to verify it.
A pity, because other than that, I really do feel like thanks to this book I learned and got to understand a lot more not only about about Kpop but about Korea as well, and just as importantly, I had fun in the process.
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JYJ3’s Note:
Dear Readers,
We have received several mentions about this issue, once again SM’s shady behaviour against JYJ is being exposed, it’s not the first time it happened, and we are sure it wouldn’t be the last, JYJ3’s duty is to share this information to our readers. Please let’s have a healthy discussion.
You did a great job to let people know what happened and is still happening to our dear JYJ! Wish all justice back and be fair to our beloved JYJ!
SM is certainly getting on my two nerves, wake up SM you already lost integrity and face within fans spectrum, JYJ will always be above you. ALWAYS.
Agree. Honestly I don’t pity JYJ, I pity SM… because that company is lacking integrity, like you said, they are lacking truth and they don’t have nothing more interesting to do besides trying to ruin JYJ. But they will never succeed, because our boys are strong, talented, passionate and kind hearted! They will always be better than some shitty agency that can’t even take care of their own idols…
“mirotic” wasn’t on 2006
If you look close enough it is 2008 written. But its hard to see 😀
I went to check 😀 ,it wrote *2006* ,and it’s so clear to see,sis ! 😦
It very clearly says 2008. 2006 is listed for “O.”
read the grey paper attachment which says :But the band took its fame to a hole new level in 2006 with its album Mirotic, which was nothing less than one of the defining albums of K-pop.” not the yellow paper attachment
Yes,I saw that too ,in the grey paper att. just like you said,thank you,sis. 😀
no problem 🙂
BS SM
Kpop might be getting older and you’re trying to erase JYJs existence into what was undeniably THE most prominent band of the 2nd generation, but we’ll always find out your shadiness. JYJ is still rising and still popular even without appearances. I can assure u even when they are in the military, I can be at ease they won’t be forgotten because of the hardwork they put in in ALL entertainment fields.
They’re genuine and true to their fans. SM needs to get over it. After all the history, u guys should at least appreciate and respect JYJ as well
While I agree that the author was pressured to take the story of JYJ in TVXQ, I don’t understand how he accepted it. It was like he said, taking JYJ will bring more suspicion than simply excuse of ‘not wanted to hurt the feelings of fans’ (which is a complete lie, as well already know). The author contradicts himself in the question of journalistic integrity; he should have left the part about the JYJ in TVXQ, even if SM starts to block him somehow and mention it to his readers thus this way he will have support from fans of JYJ / K-pop and would not now be treated like a writer who writes what is paying him to write.
I think he decided to leave out jyj coz he might be put so much effort into creating the book but finally sm must have said not to include them..lyk all the broadcast he also decided to sacrifice jyj for his book release … but the thing i don’t understand is dat sm is really stupid or clever..obviously it will do no good by dng this … it feels like a fish jump out of the water thinking it is safe there..
@rafaela
Yes, that line about “not wanting to hurt the feelings of their fans” jumped out at me too. WHAT a bold-faced lie , absolutely breath-taking in its slimy audacity. Not want to INFORM the fans of the truth is more like it. And I’ve been idly wondering how long it’s going to take Homin to step forward and say, “OK, this isn’t right, TVXQ started out as 5 members and our best work during that time was done by those 5 members.” My best guess, could be right, could be wrong, is: never.
He says it was the publisher’s decision. When a writer is under a contract to produce a book, they don’t have complete control over the project. The book would have to go through editors, and if the editors cross out that section, the writer can haggle about it all he wants, it will not be up to him in the end. At least he came forward with what the situation really was publicly, rather than trying to shield SM or Tuttle for the cover-up. And of course, this has only blown up in SM’s face yet again. They are so underhanded.
Hi Redrogue –
There *was* another alternative for the publisher though – to forgo all those lovely glossy photographs of SM idols, to use photos of some other worthy groups who are not bathed in scandal and deceit instead. That would have ended the discussion. The writer should have insisted. To not have insisted shows he is far from an authority on K-Pop because an absolutely integral part of K-Pop is the passion of its fans. If the writer was a true authority on the subject, as the publisher’s blurb on Amazon asserts, he would have explained to them that this move was courting disaster for his book. And now, it’s up to US to “bring the pain.” 🙂 So please do write a review on Amazon and here is the contact information for the publishing company: Tuttle Publishing, Airport Business Park 364 Innovation Drive, North Clarendon, VT 05759-9436
info@tuttlepublishing.com
Let’s let them hear from us.
I am not going to buy, read, support inaccuracies. Never. Thank you JYJ3 friends for this. I believe the heavens are taking care of our boys. Historically, SM has always been this way from HOT, Shinhwa, etc. etc. to EXO. Danggggg
omg i laughed hard on how sm s getting for wat they reap…mrg i was sad abt the fact that they are not mentioned…now before gng to bed i hear some gud news…eventhough it’s hurtful past the past is cannot be erased..using excuse as fans it’s really low…from wat i see sm want both fandoms to fight…sm really know the timing to interept our joy since we fans are now happily waiting for their japanese album. nowadays whatever sm do jyj i feel lyk they are barking at the sun …..ps i really love their japanese song 🙂 can’t wait for dat day 🙂
Whoa SM really get their karma now. For doing such things to my boys.
I have read that many books produced to gathered people opinion and brainwashing people minds, but this is so childish. Getting rid JYJ out of history? Yeahh.. look what they are now. Full multi talented boys with free souls. More n more people now seeing them as true artist.
I’m really proud of my boys, the true winner ♥♥♥
Don’t care what SM doing.. For me, I talk about jyj and people don’t know then I explain to them that they are forever members of tvxq and they are the one winning against SM .. So I can explain to friends that how SM is standing verylow morale compare to their big name.
great!
when people refer to JYJ’s past as TVXQ, JYJ’s fans got upset, saying the past should be left in the past.
when people leave JYJ out of TVXQ’s past, the same fans got upset too!
very very nice logic 🙂
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Happy trolling! Enjoy, freiheit-another comment for you.
Troll here in JYJ3 Blog LOL , you should know the TVXQ we talk about is the FIVE member TVXQ no one care for Homin.
they got upset oly when whatever jyj do is related to tvxq…for ex saying some particular song is referred to them …but this is diff no one can deny history…those where the days where they worked their ass off in japan and korea …and still jyj also thinks those where percious days…removing totally from the history is unfair to their hardwork..
Dear @freiheit our only complain is when your referer JYJ as still part of TVXQ, or as the conquests of them now as JYJ and 2009 onwards, is also achievements for TVXQ; which is not true. This is unlike what is happening now, in which the achievements that Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu had as members of TVXQ are being erased by SM (actually attempt to erase).
In summary we respect the past of JYJ and also their future; in your first example there is a disrespect (sometimes without intent) of how these three men have risen and conquered things purely for their talent and support from his fans. NOT because they are TVXQ, but because they are JYJ Kim Jaejoong, JYJ Park Yoochun, JYJ Kim Junsu, solo singers, actors and musical actor; in your second example is only to respect that of 2003-2009 Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu were members of TVXQ and nobody can delete it, even thought we can, of course, like or dislike their works in their past group.
i don’t know whether u r referring to @freiheit or me…anyways i ll clear myself (coz iam the one who used example)..u got me wrong here ..since she talked abt past i wrote dat…i clearly know how hard jyj worked after 2009…i’m just saying her that jae,chun and jun also worked from 2003 – 2009 ..and that is wrong to take their names away when they worked hard in 2003-2009 as part of tvxq…i thought it’s disrespect to them and their hardwork … don’t mistake me ..
@jokey My comment was for @freiheit and I agree with this and your first comment ^_^ Your way of hinking is the same as mine, their work has to be valued according to their time: from 2003-2009 as members of TVXQ, in 2009 to here as members of JYJ, solo singers and actors/musical actor. ❤
Your logic does not make sense. When the topic is JYJ then yes it is upsetting to always have their TVXQ connection mentioned as if they have had no accomplishments or success on their own. Particularly considering the amount of time that has past and the amount of success they have achieved both as JYJ and as individuals.
That is not the case in this instance; this book was written as a guide to the “history” of how KPOP developed into what it is today. JYJ’s departure from SME and the subsequent changes in law and the industry are a significant events that have been selectively and deliberately deleted to provide a false and selective history to the reader.
There is a saying “History is written by the victors.'” This censure-ship is a prime example of a corrupt SME trying to make themselves the “victors” despite the fact that their “campaign of harassment ” against JYJ has not stopped JYJ from achieving greater success then they could have gotten by staying with TVXQ. But like most attempts to subvert the truth it failed and JYJ fans certainly are glad.
now now, you are just suiting that logic to what you want.
the world is not a box of squares.
those situations are not relevant to the other.
Firstly , probably we shld still thank the author for showing us again how SM SHADY dealings exist altho obviously tt was not his intent but he prob knew it just can’t be hidden anymore with all the bad press they r getting recently.
Next , can’t expect us to understand his reasons or difficulties for succumbing tt time .. But don’t worry JYJ & its fandom hv come so far all these years to even feel slightest hurt by this now.
Having said tt n reading the reviews , so how much of contents in the book can be trusted even for leisure ? 😀
“The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice.”
SM may think that they can put blinkers on the eyes of new fans by shutting JYJ members out of TV variety shows and now, publications but their actions are actually counter-productive. People may become more curious about this group called JYJ and choose to sympathize and support them against the big bullies instead.
By reinventing themselves, JYJ members have gained more loyal and ardent fans who take every opportunity to rally their cause as can be seen from the fracas with the IAG organizing committee. While some celebrities and k-pop groups run the risk of being over-exposed, JYJ has continued to maintain an exclusive image and command high value whenever the three of them come together for public appearances.
Yes, SM – you had better be afraid. Be very afraid.
SM trying to erase the 5 members history that work hard together and want to create their own version of history. Fine. Do as you wish. Like I care. Coz I believe what goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch. SM will never learn to respect their own product oh I mean artist coz they only want money and more money to their own account.
If SM close a door, then our JYJ will find other better doors or windows or even roof and open it with their own effort then walk with pride.
I believe JYJ will survive any obstacles with support from people that care about them and of course us, their fans that stand beside them cheering for every works as individual and group. Even they make ninja action at dropping bomb about performances in Japan….damn lucky japanese fans. I cry a river waiting to watch their dome tour.
JYJ fighting!!!
I want to write an intelligent and insightful comment but this just pisses me off. Whenever I think SM cannot get any lower they pull stunts like this. To think that SM’s corruption is so far reaching. There are no excuses for this and I must say the treatment of JYJ reflects badly on K-pop as a whole not just SM Entertainment.
This is hard evidence that JYJ’s fans can use to prove to the Fair Trade Commission that SME is violating their mandate and doing whatever they want to harm JYJ. We can let SME do this, they should pay for this! At this time, SME is loosing some of their power due to Exo’s scandal and Jessica’s so We should take this moment to make another request to the Fair Trade Comission to investigate this new situation. It may not look as much but this book harms JYJ recognition with international Kpop fans and people involved in the entertainment bussiness today and in the future because books are used as reference by people in this bussiness that’s why SME wants to wipe out JYJ from Kpop history! Is unvelievable how much SME hate our boys to do something so low!
You know what gets me, there are evidence of this and yet the government of Korea seem to act like the three monkies, DEAF, BLIND AND DUMB, they need to know JYJ fans are not only Korean fans but international fans, it shows how badly they let a degrading company continue to do these act and show quite poorly to all national fans, of how their country is run. This so wrong in every level. Even though they have surpassed greatness individual and together without the need of being on broadcast, it’s sad a company like this exist,
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I am laughing so hard at this. I personally don’t know how many songs the TVXQ Duo has written during the days of a five member band but to my understanding some of those songs were mostly written by JYJ. Excluding Love in the Ice that was translated to Korean by one of the Duo. Now, do correct me if I am wrong, like I said I am not entirely sure, though I am a JYJ bias so you could say that I have never really paid much attention to the Duo during the times that they were still a group of five. It is what it is.
how many years has it been now? and yet SM is still treating JYJ as a touchy subject.
that just proves how influential they believe JYJ can be.
now they dont even care of being thought of as a shitty company, they are too big.headed.
‘Dear’ OT5s of whom we already know will peek through this post.
There is vast difference between claiming JYJ IS a part of TVXQ and JYJ WAS a part of TVXQ.
This is why I don’t buy anything relating to SME. I like some of their artists but buying is supporting sme and that I won’t do. In accurate history of kpop group if stupid but then again, it’ll get people to checking it out more. Publicity stunt perhaps? Good or bad, it gets the word of kpop out there. Too bad it’s just wrong info.
hahah SM just showing it is a mafia company. SM you wanted to prevent future departures doing these bulshits to JYJ but SM you lost too much respect and money this year. KARMA, KARMA the biggest KARMA
I just hope that this can be used as proof against SME, the Fair Trade Commission needs to notice this things. I’m sure fans will do something about it and I’m so so ready to sign as many petitions as I can.
Thank you for the article admins-Couldn’t agree more SM are having a very bad 2014.
This just makes me hate and despise SM more. Since I only care about JYJ and a few other kpop bands there’s no reason to purchase this book. Perhaps I will point out the inaccuracies and SM’s behavior in a review on Amazon.com
Just sit back, relax and grab a popcorn 😀 Karma is a bitch and is now bitching SM big time. All their shady actions against JYJ are backfiring on them. They’re on RED now (while JYJ is getting richer ! )
It’s still in 27k won. My best moment was in July or August 2009 when JYJ’s suing SM issue was disclosed. The stock went down to 7k won. A golden moment. I hope it will happen again…#devil
Wow, 7k, really ? 😀 but that was 2009 , considering the monetary value in 2014, maybe it’s getting closer, lol
The author and publisher should be encouraged to publish an addendum/correction with accurate information about TVXQ and JYJ. Since the book is already published and the photographs from SM are in it, a correction may be possible. Depending on applicable laws, SM would probably have to sue and then the sordid story would get even more press.
Isn’t it possible to get this to the The Korea Fair Trade Commission?? So SM can receive their rightful penalty?
the ” Fair Trade Commission” is a Joke , they won’t be doing anything to SM or anyone else .
well… I thought so too, but one can hope, no ^^
hmmmmmm, I highely assume there are no pictures from TVXQ as 5???
True, that the KFTC is a toothless tiger. If they could have done anything like fine SM heavily for past offenses and publicize their continued wrong-doings, they would have. Problem is that the Korean government is in bed with the K-Pop industry and they always have been. They have invested heavily in it, with SM being one of the companies that have received the most in hand-outs. Hallyu/K-Pop is the cutting edge of the Korean government’s strategy in continuing to emerge as a big global economic power. The K gov’t is in effect Married To The Mob, i.e. SM Entertainment. They have invested in the glossy veneer of K-Pop, they can scarcely shut down one of their biggest partners in promoting Hallyu to the world.
A good and informative book on K-Pop and Hallyu is “The Birth Of Korean Cool” by Euny Hong.
Oh, and I really like the idea of writing reviews at Amazon – I think that’s an excellent way of casting our vote against this puff piece to glorify the K-Pop industry. The more I think about it, the more I think that any story on the K-Pop machine that churns out idol stars that does NOT include describing its rather significant criminal underpinnings is just a misleading bunch of bull.
Can you do the review for Amazon? Please…
For anyone who is interested, besides commenting on Amazon, here is the contact information for the publisher of this epic tome on Kpop:
Tuttle Publishing
Airport Business Park
364 Innovation Drive
North Clarendon, VT 05759-9436
info@tuttlepublishing.com
Maybe some polite critique of their willingness to kiss ass with SM will let them know we will keep the flame burning for JYJ!
Also, here are links to sites that are reviewing/mentioning the book. Comments could be listed here as well…
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kpop+now%3B+the+korean+revolution&form=PRUSEN&pc=msnHomeST&mkt=en-us&refig=c2200c0364fb400ab7ea254397339eda&pq=kpop+now%3B+the+korean+revolution&sc=0-10&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&cvid=18195F8686B664BD110D5AD782B66651
im so angry right now… it’s been 5 years and sm just won’t stop. but props to the author for coming out and telling this. i pray that one day jyj gets justice for all of the stuff they’re been through. (such as getting banned from music/variety shows, etc)….
Author shouldn’t have let them buy his credibility with a few photos in the first place. But yes, props to him for at least admitting it
i hate to have truth distorted so it bothers me that they want to change actual history by their devious confusing ways. JYJ will be fine as they have made their own history. my hurt lies in the fact that sm keeps trying to say dbsk never happened when it is one of the best times in kpop history. there are many people who do not know of or support kpop but they will hear things about it and not at all accurate things. it just confuses the truth and doing that makes me so mad.
this makes me truely mad too!!!! seriously they think they can wipe them out of kpop history…
exactly !!
You know guys i’m a late fans of JYJ3 pero nung ma discover ko clang 3 hindi awa ang nkita ko sa knila. Kc lhat cla talented mula ke junsu, yuchun at higit sa lhat ang ever dearest kong c Jaejoong…In my life ngayon lng ako kakita ng ganyang situation at sa sarili p nilang bansa…kya swerte ako nang mkilala ko ang JYJ eh tpos na yung trauma years nila..Pero bkit ganon kpag nbanggit at nsulat yung mga nangyari sa knila noon,tumutulo p din ang luha ko kc nggalit ang puso ko sa mga taong wlang awa sa gustong mabuhay pa..Pero ika nga me awa ang diyos…Lagi nyang iga guide sa mganda ang naaapi..My prayers and love will always on JYJ3. NO MATTER WHAT!!!
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What the hell are you taking about, what’s this go to do with Homin, this is about the injustice of SM trying to wipe JYJ out of the KPOP era, we respect JYJ past, but that’s how far we go, but we respect that JYJ was with a forminible group and put their sweat and blood into it and how they have succeeded has JYJ, they have every right to be known, your hypocrite because you talk about SM doing wrong but yet you still support them by contributing your money to them, to be able to continue to chastise JYJ, YOUR NO BETTER, so get your facts right.
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@Justice (@lollipoplolita3) ok ok,so we’re just do some talking in a family,just between sister or brother like family members talking to each other,You don’t have to voice out ” the justice need to be fair with SM or with other company”… etc etc ! you didn’t like the way we talk or think ,you don’t have to read it …You can believe whatever you want,think whatever you think.you don’t need to give us any explanation ,or tell us what is right or wrong!Your can stay with the justice you try to protect,stay away from here,thank you !
You forget this is a JYJ fan site, JYJ only, we are not a fan for any other group, and we do respect their past, I certainly do, but that does not mean I need to support any other group, we are a new breed, we only support JYJ to be the best of the best and that mean if their was a vote between JYJ and Homin, JYJ will win hand downs, we fight for JYJ in every avenue we can, they contributed big time in KPOP in the past and now in the present, has JYJ, stop feeling that you have been done by JYJ fans, its disgusting and actual proof that SME and others is blocking JYJ, instead of rambling how, JYJ Stan is disrespecting their past, which they are not, try putting your words and energy in stopping the injustice that SM is doing to JYJ, NOT YOUR CHILDISH GRUDGE. Again we SUPPORT ONLY JYJ.
I’m not going to condone any fan who has tried to erased JYJ or TVXQ’s history in any way but let’s put this into perspective here:
(1) JYJ fans are NOT the only ones who do what you have described. There ARE some Homin stans who have done all of these things; whether it’s cropping out pictures or videos or putting on their post “do not reblog/repost if you are a JYJ or OT5 stan” or complaining about JYJ being included in TVXQ videos, doing fan projects with pics with other 3 cut out, or whatever. So let me help you down from your soap box, darling. It’s not just one side that would want to erase the history of TVXQ. The extreme sides of both sides of the fandoms are known for wanting to do just that.
JYJ themselves haven’t done any of this though, so I don’t know why you’re spending your time bashing fans instead of being supportive of JYJ. The actions of the minority of their fans shouldn’t condemn them to being treated like shit. Because, at least, I don’t see JYJ showing old video clips or photoshoots with Homin cropped out at their concerts *LA Catch Me concert* nor are JYJ shoving out all old TVXQ albums with Homin cut out of it on TV, like I don’t know, the Hug single on the gag concert earlier in the year that only had Changmin and Yunho on the cover. But that doesn’t count right? Of course it doesn’t. Hypocrisy comes full circle, my dear.
(2) Don’t lump all fans together. There are a lot of fans who are shitty and do shitty things, but doesn’t mean that everyone in the fandom is like that. That goes for this horribly segregated fandom (JYJ stans, TVXQ stans, OT5 fans, etc.) who are ALL known for having that shitty minority in all of them that are vocal and do shitty things because they want attention. That does NOT mean every fan feels the same about the past of the group(s) as a whole. Most are actually pretty supportive; many Homin and JYJ stans actually look upon those OT5 days fondly like I imagine the members do. They just don’t see the point of lumping the two groups’ separate achievements together in present where it doesn’t belong. So, don’t let some of the stupid, vocal little people in the fandom(s) get you so butthurt that you want to take it out on the entire fandom. It makes you sound super petty and simple.
(3) Please tell me the difference between editing JYJ or Homin out of old photobooks and MVs VERSUS photoshopping and gifs of JYJ and Homin TOGETHER in recent photoshoots and MVs and acting like they’re all still from the same group? What if the author wrote about JYJ and included all of their achievements in TVXQ but never mentioned Homin? Or don’t you think TVXQ fans now would’ve been super pressed if the author had went a different root and ignored Homin’s and JYJ’s individuals achievements all together and just went on talking how TVXQ are still a 5 member group? Again, the hypocrisy is real here. And I can say that because if the author had done that, I would’ve agreed with Homin fans. Because that would be false advertisement and an obvious LIE. And it’s not that hard to keep the past informative without diving too deep into the BS. You can talk about the past and the present WITHOUT having to erase one or the other. That’s the issue here is that it ended up happening in opposite direction and that’s not fair to JYJ or TVXQ or their old fans and especially not the new fans who come into the situation totally blind and then are taken off guard when they discover that TVXQ once had 3 members.
And to note, this whole thing not only gives SM bad PR but also Homin. What should new fans think when if they believe that they are only 2 members but find out the truth using google or going on SM’S OWN CHANNEL to find out the truth? And when they hear that SM make sure it was taken out, how would they feel about that? How can fans expect to trust or belief anything SM says about TVXQ, past or present, if it is willing to withhold informative to potential new fans?? Are SM that afraid of JYJ that they still have to do this? Do they not have confidence in what Homin have achieved that they need to force people to LIE for them?
(4) I don’t know how or why you can compare fans being stupid and “hurting your feelings” to a powerful, multi-million dollar, influential company and industry trying to erase the history of one of the most well-known and most popular kpop groups AND trying to bury three hard-working artists who just want to do their own thing. You can’t compare them. You can’t compare your butthurt feelings over 1 minute cropped fanvid with how much this obvious blacklisting actually hurts and hinders JYJ’s success as a band and those like them or those who will eventually follow them. And how SM’s involvement in this is scary as hell because it shows that if they can alter the writings of a foreigner writer then the Korean industry is a piece of cinnamon apple pie to them. It brings out a problem that deserves to brought to attention…not some whiny rants of hypocrisy because you got your feelings hurt by some JYJ fans.
Fans doing stupid shit that, for the most part gets called out in the fandom anyway, isn’t the same as SM trying to erase JYJ from TVXQ’s past. A fanvid or edit or comments can always be deleted and shoved to the side…BUT this book won’t be altered or fixed to include the truth, Homin aren’t going to redo that gag concert with the original Hug cover, they aren’t going to change their concert vids, and SM and the industry isn’t going to stop blacklisting JYJ by using these methods.
And even if it was the same, WHO THE FUCK CARES?! It’s not the point of the matter. The point is that this shouldn’t still be happening to either side and directing your childish anger at JYJ fans isn’t going to fix the issue. Not one bit, sweetie.
(5) No one should be forced to be a fan of everyone or anybody. Period. The end.
I can’t tell if you’re a fan of JYJ or not, but if you are, this does not help them. And it doesn’t change the situation. By coming into a JYJ site and crying foul, you turning into what you yourself are bashing and making this all about YOU and are ignoring the problem at hand. That JYJ were written out of a book because SM pressured the writer to do so and JYJ fans and OT5 fans (and even TVXQ only fans) have a right to express their dissatisfaction by having a good chunk of their history dumbed down and by literally being lied to.
Don’t waste time trying to rant to one side of issue, you’re just coming off an emotional troll. So chill.
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Again we are JYJ ONLY FAN and you are know better, disrespecting us by continue to voice your insignificant rambling on here and think what you like, continue to have your grudge. Segregate, LMAO, JYJ FANSITE, JYJ ONLY Do you get the picture. LOL 😃
When you use argue to someone about something you use education, because otherwise no one will take you seriously. I understand you do not want to relate TVXQ with JYJ and vice versa, but the point here is to erase the history of this group for six years that they were a quintet and not a duo.
Most here do not like TVXQ, like me, but I respect the group; did not met TVXQ, but JYJ and is JYJ what I like. But I will not deny the fact that JYJ were from 2003 to 2009 was part of TVXQ and all the achievements and victories of TVXQ during this time were getted by 5 men and not just two.
What we deny it and some do not understand is that from 2009 JYJ is no longer part of TVXQ, indeed legally agreed in November 2012, two years ago, where the judge stated that since 2009 JYJ were neither members of TVXQ and SM artists.
Claiming that just because someone has not known / liked JaeChunSu since the beginning of their careers do not deserve to talk about it does not make sense. You nor anyone has the right to tell us (or tell someone) of what or who we like. In no feels we dictates, we only feel. We like and love JYJ by their talent and bravery; whether or not we like TVXQ is not nobody’s business. Again, we do not deny the past, but look to the present and the future and the present-future is JYJ, NOT TVXQ, NOT SM, NOT HOMIN.
You talk too much and I think you lost your way or you’re just too bored you have no one to talk to in your site.
This is JYJ3
Rule #1 This site has been created to support Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu from JYJ. So you can’t bash any member here, nor can you bash JYJ’s fans, JYJ3 Team and JYJ3.
Before telling us to learn English, why not learn to read English first .
You’re calling us names in our own home !!!
Roll-eye with this kind of argument !
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Side eyeing with you @Kris
Hi @ lollipoplolita3 here is another comment for you.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Still mad as hell that JYJ aren’t going back to SM and Homin with their tails between their legs, huh? Yeah – I guess so. Well, give it a few more years. Sooner or later you’ll figure out what people here have known for a while: SM is a rotten company and JYJ aren’t going back. Homin’s whole deal rests on doing exactly what SM says, which ISN’T having a tearful DBSK reunion with JYJ. End of story.
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@Justice (@lollipoplolita3 DON’T YOU TROLLING ANTI-FANS HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
I support / LOVE JYJ.
I don’t care about TVXQ and HOMIN so I don’t read about them, I don’t buy their music, I don’t go to their concerts AND I DON’T GO ON THEIR FAN SITES AND TROLL BY SAYING STUPID OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM AND THEIR FANS!
IF you don’t like or support JYJ WHO CARES? Then don’t read about them, don’t buy their music, don’t go to their concerts AND DON’T COME ON THEIR FAN SITES AND TROLL BY SAYING STUPID OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM!
IT’S CALLED COMMON SENSE, NOBODY ON THIS SITE GIVES A FOOT ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY…GET A LIFE!
Hi Slynn571, my answer to.
“@Justice (@lollipoplolita3 DON’T YOU TROLLING ANTI-FANS HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?”
Looks like they don’t! LOL!
im so angry!!!
SM cant move on from JYJ, huh?
they love JYJ so much huh? *NOTE: Sarcasm
SM is afraid so much toward JYJ, so they must telling everyone to blocking JYJ, everytime.
I’m so done with this.. uh-huh.
I’ve never believed that YH and CH use the name of TVXQ in order to protect it , since the beginning I believed that it was an SM politic to discredit JYJ from their achievements of DBSK , and now they make authors write history books of Kpop about DBSK like if it was always a Duo and give the credits of all DBSK achievements to only the duo. and the worst is that the author said he wanted to talk about JYJ and Xia but end up to not do , SM not only rob them from their past achievements but also the present ones. and they try hard to block JYJ name in Kpop by all the ways .this is just too much from this shady company
PS: to trolls who are here , JYJ fans never discredit JYJ from their past , we RESPECT their past and RESPECT their presence .and don’t think all JYJ fans are new,many JYJ fans are fans because they were Fans since their DBSK days so stop talking bullshit just to get us a way from the main point.
Wow..i think that whatever SM do they cant erase the fact that..dbsk consist of 5 members..and that all my friends got into dbsk because of jaejoong..which proves that he is an awesome visual..so they can do whatever…eventually ppl would know anyway that jyj is a part of tvxq..its not like they can be erased from google lmao
Was*
The more SME try to save face, the more its own BS gets flung back into their face. JYJ is doing extremely well. I feel for the groups under SME. Hwaiting JYJ!!!!!!
JUSTIIIIIIIIIICE!!! ;((((
Poor that SM Entertainment.. Making this shit still want to make fans angry.
But at least I know, when JYJ’s free from them and they still success and more rich until now. JYJ Hwaiting.. ^^~
That is SM Entertainment. They want to covered K-pop history, our eyes rather our mouths.
You didn’t to covered that JYJ are belonging to the music of the world.. You never can do it..Love and support JYJ 💖💖💖
But how can they erase the voice, the soul, the face of these albums?
Never mind the name, just look and listen ! can you imagine what kind of songs without JYJ’s voices? LOL
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To our lovely guest @Justice and Ichigo
Gotcha …. showing true colors ne? But isn’t it what that book is trying to say? That JYJ are non-existent to those albums?
You’re reacting to my comment in this site but I wonder how did you react about this written history LOL
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I’m confused. How is anyone here “erasing Yunho and Changmin”? The five members of TVXQ/DBSK were just that – five members. To say otherwise is wrong, of course, but I can’t recall seeing that anyone on JYJ3 has said that.
@Ichigo
Should I be flattered that I’m no different from SM? 😀
But I’m just a nobody, I’m not a giant and influential company who tried every means possible to kill JYJ’s career, I don’t block JYJ from broadcast or erase them from history book. If you really do care about Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu, invest your energy against SM (not on my mere collage), but I doubt you can do that since there’s your beloved duo under the wings of the tender loving care of SM family, what to do? Is coming here in JYJ3 and whine why I cropped out those 2 SM idols the best thing you can do?
Thank you @Kris. This was an excellent strategy you laid out. Anybody with a sense of fairness and logical thinking will understand what you mean which is to show that the way it hurts them when the duo are removed from the achievements of DBSK that much, and even more, it hurts us when JYJ are deleted from that history, coz tell you what @justice and @ ichigo, if we are to split hairs, it’s JYJ who deserve more to carry the name of DBSK. Was it not Junsu and Jaejoong who were recognized even in those days as the main and the lead singers of the group? Was it not Jaejoong who was even then recognized as the visual of the group. Who were the composers and lyricists of some of the best DBSK songs which they were never paid for and cannot perform now? Not Jaejoon, Junsu and Yoo Chun? So tell me, if you remove the main vocal, the lead vocal and the visual of a group, what do you remain with? Oh well, one of them was known for the high notes, but when they did “Tonight” it was Jaejoong who hit the highest note, wasn’t he? and ah, the other one was known as a dancer (at which Junsu can equal him any time) and low notes and rapping, well Yoo Chun can do that, too and sing as well and compose and write lyrics.
Yes, @justice and @ ichigo ichie, my grandmother used to say, “some people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear”, and here I am reminded of that gem of wisdom…. unless you remove the blinders you have snugly fitted, you will neither see, nor hear our hurt.
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Heads up : @Kris did that deliberately, knowing full well one of you would take the bait. You don’t like seeing Homin shopped out of those old TVXQ5 pics Kris posted – in a fan site where no-one but JYJ/Homin/TVXQ5 fans will see it & where it won’t impact on JYJ or Homin or on their careers. Which is the same reaction we JYJ fans are having to JYJ being written out of TVXQ5 history in a book about Kpop for the whole world to see & read, JYJ included. & I don’t know where you & @justice are trawling but I’ve never yet met a JYJ fan who has tried to deny or exclude JYJ’s history from TVXQ5, even new fans who have only recently discovered JYJ. That’s a false argument OT5 stans who won’t let go of the past throw at JYJ fans cause we don’t kneel in reverence at the Temple of TVXQ5, pray for a re-union or support both groups. & the anger & frustration about this book is as much about protecting JYJ’s present & future as it is their past, along with sheer disgust at sm’s petty, spiteful, never-ending tactics to eliminate & erase JYJ from TVXQ5’s past glories & from their importance in Kpop today. If you’re so keen to protect TVXQ5 why aren’t you harassing sm for their blatant disrespect & disregard of JYJ from their own history instead of being in here trolling us on an issue you seem to have chosen to misunderstand for the purposes of trolling??
Expected from that company. Nothing to say much
No matter what kind of book you have written..
you should be truthful from start to the end…..
you had the control over the book…not SM.
Mark James Russell…..did SM offered you some of their stock??
Firm of not…you should have kept your ground. Why were you
influenced by them???
thanks admin for adding the notes, otherwise i would have thrown curses to the author!
the issue is this book excluding a crucial part within the kpop industry itself so how can it claimed itself as “kpop now”? not forget the author did such blunder as naming time wrongly. mirotic in 2006, like helloooo????? just do a straight re-print would you????? saying that this issue doesn’t matter since fans know the truth is just not right either. this book sells selective fact, not worth my money at all. JYJ’s lawsuit will remains legendary whatsoever.
God knows how i am willingly said to homin and their corrupt company to take all their db5k’s past achievements, jyj doesn’t need that gimmick. any amount of try-hard would never be able to erase the history of jaejoong, yoochun, and junsu’s contribution in the group and in kpop past and present and future.
just saying, but if sme eagerly wants to get rid of jyj’s existence, then they should make those db5k’s legendary acapellas non existent as well, i doubt they would do that, aren’t they famous on shielding under their fake synthetic images? lololol
thanks to the reviewer who brought up this issue. to the author, this book is non existent for me. You agree to make jyj invincible. that is just like an insult to me, because i’m a jyj fan, then it means i’m also not exist?
This shit has to stop. Sm sucks.
I don’t think SM are worried of JYJ’s success if they were to be musically permitted on television, and it’s not about being obsessed with JYJ or needing to punish them for their “betrayal”. Everybody should know that in the end, it’s all about business.
I do have a slight feeling that SM fear what JYJ and all the others that have left SM might unleash about the company, though. Even if it’s not rationally and entirely the reason for the blocking, the fear is still evident.
@cisc
I think the biggest reason for the continued campaign against JYJ is to instill fear in any other sm idol who wants to leave the company & take their talents & more importantly their money-earning potential elsewhere. We all know about sm’s shitty business practices & how they treat, use & exploit their idols & they aren’t planning on changing that anytime soon so this vendetta against JYJ is meant to terrorize any sm idol from jumping ship.
Unless SM is paying for this book to be published, how could a author, with any integrity be “pressured” to omit valid history of TVXQ? I’m not convinced the author himself, didn’t give in for some reason, and is throwing his faceless publisher under the bus, so he won’t be inundated with furious letters from JYJ fans. Whatever, now everyone knows the book is inaccurate and not worth paying money for. What we need now is for a legitimate author to write a book about JYJ, past and present, with actual interviews. That I would pay for.
That would even be worth buying and gifting to friends and family. Yeah, I would definitely buy a book about JYJ that had actual interviews. I guess my only concern would be for the guys and how much crap they’d have to put up with from angry TVXQ fans. *Sigh* I fear that this is something that might have to wait until they come back from military service or some other time out into the future…
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[Mark James Russel] “One of the most dramatic and famous events in K-pop history – the TVXQ! split.”
“I know that the whole TVXQ history is a very sensitive one, so I tried to write a very positive article on the band, which mentioned them starting as a five-member unit, then transitioning to a duo. I did not mention anything controversial about what happened and just looked at the positive….”
I think…you CAN’T “spin” the TVXQ split in a positive light – it was a prolonged and messy war of words and omissions, it was tough and painful for all involved. It was textbook ‘what is compelling’ and ‘what is wrong’ with K-Pop fandoms. And above all: it was IMPORTANT. It was really really important for the artists JYJ to say “No More!” and leave SM. This was a courageous act, it was rarely attempted previously and it rallied a whole sea of fans to support them and have their backs in the struggle to remain viable they had in store for them. THAT would have been a great book to read, for anyone interested in the artist’s journey. Russell’s book on the other hand reduces the idol-singers he profiles to mindless, soulless products that come bouncing off an assembly line.
I just read his alleged “credentials” in being a reliable reporter of the K-Pop world on Amazon. He should be ashamed of himself.
Like, ‘you should write, what you have to write, not for particular party’s influence, or to shield yourself from the effect of your writing. It should enough by telling truths, and let the readers comment as they please.
Wow!
SM deceives the fans of tvxq (ot5 and jyj fans) and the fans of duo tvxq.
And then you , mr. Mark James Russell offer PUSILLANIMOUS apologies to jyj readers.
Just totally unbelieving, you even gave yourself credit on the k-pop subjects.
where is your writter’s integrity? 18 years living in Seoul, you have turned yourself into a coward.
So from now on, everything in the k-pop book, can be viewed as a fake merchandise. There is no need to sell the book.
Kpop things nowadays were like all-deceiving, since it’s a business and tool for culture promotion.
But, the artists’ case is another thing. Some of them are truly hard-workers who should not be affected by this kind of issue.
this is really very sad. they are trying to influence non-fans into believing their covered up history. i think the best way for JYJ is to make bigger, better and happier future for themselves and the industry. most especially for themselves. regardless of people’s obsession with history, creating the best future and the happiest present are the best things to do for JYJ. everything will come out and become past.
This old shit again, there is no K-POP without JYJ, there is no TVXQ without JYJ and there is no SM without fans. The only way to stop all this b-shit is to stop buying anything from SM.
I think it’s probably worth mentioning again that when OT5s say they “support both groups” they are in fact continuing to support SM and as we all know, money is the only thing SM cares about or wants from their customers. The SM/JYJ trial taught us that the merest tiny fraction of money spent on product ever finally trickles its way down to the idols themselves so it’s rather a hollow argument to use the well-being of Homin as their justification for continuing to financially support the company that is continuing to try to ruin and erase JYJ from K-Pop history. As long as their customers keep buying SM product, they will never stop their well-financed campaign to subvert anyone and anything they feel is getting in the way of their agenda.
TVXQ before the separation was 5 people. How can SM think that fans believe just 2 people sang all of the old songs?? I guess they think people will believe the emperor has no clothes because SM says so. the moon is made of cheese, the moon is made of cheese, the moon…….
well, jyj/tvxq fans had already been dissapointed, mad and saddened by what happened to them.. all moving forward like jyj has been doing for the past years. not forgetting the pain but not dwelling on it as well. asuwa kuru kara, there’s always a new tomorrow, jyj has heen trying hard to bring out their best in any way they can even if they can’t perform on tv or on some big occasions. but they just kept on going… not an issue like this will bring them down. we, the fans who truly love them will make them go on and on. so let’s not lose it over sm’s dirty tactics. all will get old, whatever it is written on history or pop books maybe true or not, but we, the fans and friends, will not forget the truth..
Also, did the news even hit Korean news portals? It seems like it’s based internationally, and JYJ most likely haven’t even heard of it.
SM is only making a fool of themselves!!!! — to be laughed by the world.
Lol, Jaejoong and Junsu were the lead and main vocalists of DB5K. Can you imagine DB5K songs (say like Doushite) without Jaejoong and Junsu’s voices in it? Sorry, for me the author has no integrity as a writer. It’s good that he admit it, but it doesn’t change the fact that he wrote a fake history.
hahaha…
This book is a joke! The author obviously is here to make a pretty penny and does not care or know the REAL Kpop history (or perhaps he was BOUGHT by that shady SM Entertainment to hide the truth).
The fact that he did not mention JYJ who was TVXQ (the present duo who still use the name TVXQ is just marketing to keep the fans who will buy anything with the name), the voices that made them popular, shows how money causes corruption.
Little does he know that this is not a small issue (just because a mega corrupt powerful money marketing idol company who buys and sells people like toys bought him), he will realize his mistake is HUGE.
I would compare this situation as follows:
Taking JYJ out of TVXQ is like taking John and Paul out of the Beatles…….
Then trying to convince everyone the Beatles was only George and Ringo (I love George and Ringo but you know what I mean)
Who was THE VOICE of TVXQ …
or type this in YouTube search: ztjBYU_5YKM
I just really hope the author will clear his conscious and let this situation turn positive by proof of the corruption, make a big deal out of how a corrupt company is trying to change history, then have the government ban that company from the entertainment industry (hahaha I’m a dreamer).
(Posted something similar on Amazon.com, I hope we can all post something wherever this book appears)
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@Ichi-go Ichi-e~TWW (@TohoForever) DON’T YOU TROLLING ANTI-FANS HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?
I support / LOVE JYJ.
I don’t care about TVXQ and HOMIN so I don’t read about them, I don’t buy their music, I don’t go to their concerts AND I DON’T GO ON THEIR FAN SITES AND TROLL BY SAYING STUPID OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM AND THEIR FANS!
IF you don’t like or support JYJ WHO CARES? Then don’t read about them, don’t buy their music, don’t go to their concerts AND DON’T COME ON THEIR FAN SITES AND TROLL BY SAYING STUPID OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM!
IT’S CALLED COMMON SENSE, NOBODY ON THIS SITE GIVES A FOOT ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY…GET A LIFE!
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@Ichi-go Ichi-e~TWW (@TohoForever) Your words say you don’t LOVE JYJ. What you OT5s love is living in the past but only the parts that suit you. Where DBSK was happy and there was sunshine and roses and no one was ever abused or forced to work sick or had their money stolen.
Neither JYJ nor their fans try to hide the fact that they started as artist in TVXQ. Neither JYJ nor their fans try to hide the fact that TVXQ5 was a great group. JYJ never try to hide how much they love and miss HOMIN.
BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU LOVE SOMEONE DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD STAY IN AN BAD SITUATION WITH THEM IF THE ARE NOT READY TO LET IT GO!
You OT5s are the same as SME wanting to punish or chastise JYJ for choosing to be free. There is a saying those who won’t remember history are doomed to repeat it! We see this happening again and agian with SME as other artist realize they don’t have to be abused to be successful.
CAN YOU NOT GET IT? The issue is less about JYJ fans wanting them to be recognized for their contribution to TVXQ but MORE about not letting SME continue to get away with the abuse and control they have on the KPOP industry. Do you know in the SJ part of the book they also leave out anything about Han Geng? Why do think that is?
OT5 PLEASE WAKE UP – JYJ is NEVER going to go back to TVXQ. Remember and honor the past (accurately) BUT try living in the present!
You hurt both JYJ and TVXQ by not letting them heal and move on!
Look and listen, this is a JYJ FANSITE, we support only JYJ and we respect JYJ past, do you understand, RESPECT THEIR PAST, because that’s all it to us their past, a memory, the former selves, shall I go on. These three beautiful men form a group, which is now JYJ and who we support IN THE PRESENT some of you OT5 come on here and voice your irrelevant opinion and spitefully comments towards us, because we don’t support the 5, get this straight we are OT3, My god some of you people need to stop badgering us and put your rambling against SM. Don’t forget we are not the one who is hurting JYJ, SM is and you should USE your energy and these kind of comments to them. Not on a JYJ FANSITE, because really and truly we don’t give a damn, what you think of us, JYJ ONLY FANS. You are a troll and always be a troll.
@Ichi-go Ichi-eTWW You are way too funny for being here, can’t understand a word of your saying haha.
SM is going to always be in sociopathic mode as far as JYJ is concerned. This is a sickness with them. JYJ exposed the underbelly and this cannot continue to be allowed. But again, I firmly believe what goes around, comes around. It may not happen to today or tomorrow, but it will happen. Lady Karma does not forget names.
No matter how hard SM tries, they will never be able to remove the faces from the covers of the albums, the voices from the recordings, nor the images from the videos. Unless they try and remove EVERY video on the internet, they are there to stay.
SM, the talents of the members of JYJ – Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun and Kim Junsu are not going away. These young men will be around for a very long time to come. When this book is forgotten and winds up in the discount bin, the members of JYJ will continue to rise to the top.
@butterfliesarefree2 & @Lilibaiyu
HI 😀 *huggleshuggleshuggles*
Hi Sapphie…. Big Hugs to you too. Butterfliesarefree and I have been out and about posting comment/reviews of this book at various sites like Amazon and Soompi. Here are a list of sites that have reviewed the book. Let’s make some noise! 🙂
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kpop+now%3B+the+korean+revolution&form=PRUSEN&pc=msnHomeST&mkt=en-us&refig=c2200c0364fb400ab7ea254397339eda&pq=kpop+now%3B+the+korean+revolution&sc=0-10&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&cvid=18195F8686B664BD110D5AD782B66651
kpop now; the korean revolution – Bing
I just finished reading some well-written and insightful reviews on amazon. Clicking that a review was found helpful is a way to add to and support the voice that has been raised in objection. I am surprised that the book has been out for six months already! Current price (on amazon) is discounted 30% from list price, and there are 70 used books available. Thank you for sharing your research.
@Rabi The fact that the book has been out so long and is already “discounted” may explain the author’s “sudden” need to tell about how he was “forced” to write false history.
Certainly more people have heard of and shown interest in the book then before his revelation!
In the money game there’s no such thing as bad free publicity!
@Rabi & @Slynn571
Both your comments resonate. Given the nature of the beast so to speak, trying to run up increased sales is always foremost in the minds of authors. Books by their very nature require constant sales push unlike music sales. It will be very hard to uncover just how many of this book have already sold. There just isn’t any one place to get this kind of information.
But just knowing how sleazy the effort was made to keep JYJ out of the book, I wouldn’t get very concerned at this point. Knowing how mental SM is about JYJ, nothing surprises me any more. It still doesn’t mean we can’t point out the collusion involved and make the author and the publisher pay a price for getting into bed with snakes.
Interesting review here: http://antikpopfangirl.blogspot.com/2014/07/book-review-kpop-now-korean-music.html
Hello my darling little chickadee! *HugglesBackAtYou!*
This is a story for people like @lollipoplolita and @TohoForever.
Once upon a time, there was a soft drinks company which concocted a drink with 5 ingredients. The soft drimk became a great hit and made lots of money for the company. Three of the ingredients were later removed but the company tried to con the consumers by marketing the watered down version as the real thing and tried all means to remove traces of the original stuff. Some fans of the original drink condoned this action because they claimed this watered down version is trying to keep the namesake.
Meanwhile, the three ingredients had now reinvented themselves to become a health drink and gained many new fans. Each individual ingredient was used in different products and became successful in their own right. However, fans of the original soft drink could not acknowledge this new health drink and insisted that it must follow the original (red) packaging and that the new fans must follow suit.
Instead of calling out the soft drinks company for deceiving the public with the bland, tasteless version, they attacked fans of the new health drink by saying that they have no right to criticise the company because they didn’t support the original soft drink.
So, who are the real accomplices to the criminal act of the soft drinks company?
Thank you. LOL
“marketing the watered down version” hehe ICWUDT! Great analogy thank you! Trespassers should read this, shut up, and leave. Or else be prepared to get shot for trespassing 🙂
To our visitors, instead of investing your energy here in JYJ3 and whining how we JYJfans think, how about giving your thoughts on this considering your claim that you also care about JYJ . 😀
http://beyondhallyu.com/k-pop/book-review-k-pop-now-korean-music-revolution-mark-james-russell/
“The rest of the book is made up of 2 or 4 page profiles of over 30 different Korean pop acts. These profiles are accurate for the most part but I must admit I have a very big bugbear which I feel I must share for any K-pop fan who is considering buying it: the section about TVXQ. The section about TVXQ is inaccurate in a way that could make certain K-pop fans very angry. The profile refers to them as a two-member group, which in itself is fine, but nowhere does it even mention that for around half of their 10 year existence the group had 5 members. If this was consistent throughout the book I would think it was a little misleading but it would make sense. However looking at the profiles of other groups that have had line-up changes – Wonder Girls, 2PM, After School etc. – the former members of every single one of them are listed and in most are discussed at some point. In fact in Kara’s profile it even states that their fans were worried that the group would “turn into another TVXQ!” after their own 2011 lawsuit.
I really do wonder about the motivations for this omission – it seems very strange and it is also noteworthy that TVXQ’s splinter group JYJ is completely absent from the book effectively writing the other three members of TVXQ out of this particular book’s account of recent K-pop history. Personally, I have no strong feelings about TVXQ or JYJ but the court cases are a really important moment in modern K-pop history and the way in which they were glossed over is very odd and disingenuous. “
Yes!
Someday someone will write a book, ‘From DBSK to JYJ — a success story of JYJ’ !
The fact of the matter is that JYJ deserve their own chapter for their contribution in improving contract terms and working conditions for the KPOP artists as someone pointed out above. THEY ARE LEGENDS. Far more relevant than all the fluff, bb cream, and glossy pictures this book can offer. They deserve an entire chapter for showing some semblance of unique color for wanting to be different and known for their own works, ideas, and concepts- the only true products of the hallyu wave worth reading about.
Supported
Everyone but sm fans/apologists & OT5 fanatics who keep living in the past can & do see right through sm by now. What p*sses me of is that no one in authority does anything about it… That said, I am so so proud of Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu for continuing to keep fighting, making amazing music, putting in fantastic performances in musicals, tv dramas & films, putting on awesome concerts & fanmeets & generally just being all round awesome, incredible, courageous, inspirational & beautiful people & not letting all of sm’s petty spiteful tactics & bs break them down.
Geez, SM is like a bitter ex-girlfriend who can’t accept that she’s been dumped. This sort of revenge scheme to wipe out JYJ from the Kpop world seems to be a plot from a drama series. And I can’t believe the publishers caved with what they wanted. It makes me think I can’t trust anything on print anymore.
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General cleaning 😀
If ever a book should be burned…. if even the author knows his book is un factual, he should be the first one to pull it.
Ik^^
I was at the Loving Korea site that run by Oegukeen early morning. to post my comment for lilibaiyu over there; however, it didn’t get posted with no reason. anyone here tell me what wrong with my comment below:
@ lilibaiyu
I’m absolutely agreed with your comment^^ thump up ^^
I’m crossing his name off from my list for my research materials on non- fiction books.
His excuses to exclude JYJ from TVXQ history in k-pop revolution are so irresponsible.sound like: whining. it’s not writer’s wrongful act. It’s all about SM’s adamant stance. As a writer, Mr. Russell can’t help himself. He is too pusillanimous. too weak, too timid, and too lame. sound to me like: Mr. Russell takes no responsibility for his work. his work’s ethic is in question from readers.
@Cat95
Thanks for your praise. 🙂 I know what you mean about posts that mysteriously vanish – I had that happen to me yesterday too and I’d worked hard on my comment. Problem is, I failed to copy it before I tried to post it – this is something I’ve learned the hard way because I don’t know about you but when I’ve spent some time composing a comment and then it goes Poof! I just can’t ever write the whole thing again. lol But yesterday I forget to copy it first, darn it. I think it was on AllK-Pop which is a site that I can usually post to with no problem.
Anyway, just another quick comment – I hope that at least all the long-time regulars here on JYJ3, many of whom are my friends, will make a point of leaving comments about the book on these various sites that have reviewed it in the (typical, I have to say) fluffy, rote way that the Korean music press handles most K-Pop stories. The book has been out for a while now so we need to be proactive about getting the real story out.
Cheers!
@lilbaiyu
I am always so impressed with your writing’s style. well thought and I hope someday i will be able to write that well. I still have a lot to learn. back to our topic.
Totally agreed!!!
He needs to revise or correct that part of TVXQ history in his book because it’s not a fiction book. ^^
Beware SM! Karma is coming! Two of your successful creations, SNSD and EXO are continuously losing members.
Whereas, JYJ continuously soar. Each time you try to bring them down, more fans are created — whether out of curiosity, or sympathy, or recognition of their talents. JYJ is flourishing, while you are rotting.